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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 07 2013,5:04 am)
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The media are experts at inciting anger.


That's for sure. Inciting anger and muddling facts.

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Zimmerman wasn't chasing Trayvon


He was following him in his vehicle, when the kid got freaked out and ran away he got out of his vehicle and started chasing him, you can hear that on the 911 audio.

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The dispatcher asked for a cross street or a road marker for an officer to find their location.  Zimmerman got out of his vehicle, while on the cell with 911 and relayed the information.  911 asked where is the subject?  Zimmerman replied "he slipped in between two houses and its dark, and I cannot see him", the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was on foot trying to follow Trayvon, Zimmerman replied in the affirmative.  The 911 dispatcher said, we don't need you to do that, in which Zimmerman complied and returned to his truck.  That is when Trayvon approached Zimmerman and the conflict began.


That's not how it went. Listen to the 911 audio. Zimmerman gave the dispatch the Club House address right away at the beginning of the call, and a little later gave him directions on how to get where he was at. According to the 911 audio, 9 seconds after you can hear Zimmerman's car door shut the dispatcher asks "Are you following him?" Zimmerman says "Yeah" dispatch says "ok, we don't need you to do that." 14 seconds have passed after hearing the car door shut.
But he doesn't go back to his vehicle, he keeps going.
Besides, he's lived in that neighborhood for 3 years? He's been doing Neighborhood Watch for how long, yet he doesn't even know the street name? Look at a map of that gated community, there are only 3 or 4 streets in the whole thing!

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Trayvon was the aggressor, and initiated the fight, Zimmerman was only doing what any other person would have done in this situation, which would have been to survive at all costs.  


He shouldn't have been following him in the first place. He should have waited for police at the mailboxes like dispatch suggested. Instead he tells dispatch to have police call him for his location when they arrive.

The judge already denied acquittal.

Today I found out the weirdest thing so far about this trial. Apparently the defense isn't using Stand Your Ground as their defense. - My guess is that they know that wouldn't fly. But the news sure is full of Stand Your Ground talk in reference to this trial. And even in the trial itself. Seems odd.

The judge denied a request for acquittal.  The jury can still acquit Zimmerman.

Everyone seems to focus on the fact that Zimmerman was following.
Big deal, following someone IS NOT an act of aggression.

My version of what I have learned was just a pity cliff notes of what happened, I am not about to type it all out, I still stand by my cliff notes.

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I guess the best way to have a better idea of what might have happened is to watch the court testimony. Kind of hard for people to be able to find the time for that though. I've finally watched the court testimony of 2 of the witnesses. The two who live right where it happened that night. The guy you mentioned said that it looked like the guy on top was pushing or holding someone down. He saw downward arm/shoulder movements but can't be sure if any punches were thrown. He never heard any noises that sounded like hits/punches or head slams. For some reason, neither the defense or prosecution asked him if one of the people had told him to call 9-11. Several times he said the person on the bottom was wearing a light color "either red or white". Several times he says "either red or white". He says he only heard a call for help 1 or 2 or 3 times. He only saw what was going on for 8-10 seconds.
The woman that lives in the home right next to his says she heard scuffling and a couple of yelps right which sounded right outside her back door. she called 9-11, You can hear screaming in the background the entire time, right up until the gunshot. Someone was screaming bloody murder which ended abruptly when the shot is fired.
The court testimony is entirely different than almost all national mainstream news is portraying it.

Jonathon Good Testimony: Skip to about 22 minutes into the video. The first guy is from the security company talking about the cameras in the community.



Jenna Lauer Testimony:


If you don't watch and listen to unedited court testimony for yourself, you are being misinformed and are spreading misinformation. I'm not being a B-word, it's just the truth.

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The 911 dispatcher said, we don't need you to do that, in which Zimmerman complied and returned to his truck.  That is when Trayvon approached Zimmerman and the conflict began.

Then why didn't the scuffle happen next to the truck?

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The 911 dispatcher said, we don't need you to do that, in which Zimmerman complied and returned to his truck.  That is when Trayvon approached Zimmerman and the conflict began.

Then why didn't the scuffle happen next to the truck?

How in the hell should I know, ask Zimmerman or get an Ouija board and ask Trayvon, yourself.

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This is going to be interesting! Cases can be made for both.
With OJ I knew he would be found not guilty ( not saying I agreed)
but watching the trial, evidence, and the charge. Same with Anthony case (not that I agreed) but listening to the trial

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This is going to be interesting! Cases can be made for both.
With OJ I knew he would be found not guilty ( not saying I agreed)
but watching the trial, evidence, and the charge. Same with Anthony case (not that I agreed) but listening to the trial the charge prosecution didn't prove beyond reasonable doubt.
This one I go back and forth!

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Myths Exposed From the George Zimmerman / Treyvon Martin Trial

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Ammoland.com?  :rofl:

Gee, no bias there...  :sarcasm:

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Ammoland.com?  :rofl:

Gee, no bias there...  :sarcasm:

So in other words, you couldn't refute the author's editorial and instead chose to attack the place that is hosting the editorial.  Got it. :crazy:

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I would expect the same out of you, had I posted something from a site such as naacp.com or somesuch, defending Trayvon's actions.

I have no bias in this case. I'm betting that doesn't quite ring true for the ammoland.com folks, as I'm pretty sure that they have a horse in this race, namely Zimmermann being not guilty of any wrongdoing.

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