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Social justice is based on the clueless, uninformed and plays towards emotion instead of logic. There is NOTHING logical about social justice and has no place being in a Constitutional Republic and is at most times in direct conflict with the Constitution.
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*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Florida's " stand your ground law" must have some influence on the courts outcome... A lot was said about the law when this instance first occurred.... 
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2013,8:48 am |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 06 2013,7:04 am)
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(nedkelly @ Jul. 06 2013,5:55 am)
QUOTE Florida's " stand your ground law" must have some influence on the courts outcome... A lot was said about the law when this instance first occurred... Zimmerman had said during an interview that he'd never heard of the Stand Your Ground law. But in court they had the instructor from his class who said Zimmerman did very well in his class and that the Stand Your Ground law was covered extensively, also the Florida version of the law was covered in his class. The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant". The instructor at the Neighborhood Watch meetings stressed at every meeting to only call police and to never get close to anyone if they suspect something. The 911 dispatch told Zimmerman to not follow the kid. I guess this is a difficult case. "Social Justice" aside: They'll have to find him guilty of something don't you think? A person stalks you in his vehicle, when you try to ditch the person and hide, the stalker gets out of the vehicle and goes looking for you. You have no idea why this person is after you, most likely you are scared, and you don't want to lead the person right to your house and endanger anyone else. You don't have the right to defend yourself against the stalker? The person stalking you has the right to kill you in so-called self defense? The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant".
Why do they need to find him guilty of something, because the mob demands it? Funny I didn't realize we lived in a democracy. The letter of the law needs to be followed as written, not with a grey area in mind. He is either guilty or he isn't, there is NO middle ground or the "Well he followed, so thats gotta account for something"
Mob pressure should have ZERO influence on any trial, the rights of the accused outweigh the feelings of the many. Another way to put is, his right trumps their dead.
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memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2013,9:20 am |
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 06 2013,8:48 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 06 2013,7:04 am)
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(nedkelly @ Jul. 06 2013,5:55 am)
QUOTE Florida's " stand your ground law" must have some influence on the courts outcome... A lot was said about the law when this instance first occurred... Zimmerman had said during an interview that he'd never heard of the Stand Your Ground law. But in court they had the instructor from his class who said Zimmerman did very well in his class and that the Stand Your Ground law was covered extensively, also the Florida version of the law was covered in his class. The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant". The instructor at the Neighborhood Watch meetings stressed at every meeting to only call police and to never get close to anyone if they suspect something. The 911 dispatch told Zimmerman to not follow the kid. I guess this is a difficult case. "Social Justice" aside: They'll have to find him guilty of something don't you think? A person stalks you in his vehicle, when you try to ditch the person and hide, the stalker gets out of the vehicle and goes looking for you. You have no idea why this person is after you, most likely you are scared, and you don't want to lead the person right to your house and endanger anyone else. You don't have the right to defend yourself against the stalker? The person stalking you has the right to kill you in so-called self defense? The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant". Why do they need to find him guilty of something, because the mob demands it? Funny I didn't realize we lived in a democracy. The letter of the law needs to be followed as written, not with a grey area in mind. He is either guilty or he isn't, there is NO middle ground or the "Well he followed, so thats gotta account for something" Mob pressure should have ZERO influence on any trial, the rights of the accused outweigh the feelings of the many. Another way to put is, his right trumps their dead.
The point I'm making is what sort of example would that set? People can arm themselves, stalk a person who is doing nothing wrong, shoot and kill the person and say they did it in self defense?
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2013,9:33 am |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 06 2013,9:20 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Jul. 06 2013,8:48 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jul. 06 2013,7:04 am)
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(nedkelly @ Jul. 06 2013,5:55 am)
QUOTE Florida's " stand your ground law" must have some influence on the courts outcome... A lot was said about the law when this instance first occurred... Zimmerman had said during an interview that he'd never heard of the Stand Your Ground law. But in court they had the instructor from his class who said Zimmerman did very well in his class and that the Stand Your Ground law was covered extensively, also the Florida version of the law was covered in his class. The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant". The instructor at the Neighborhood Watch meetings stressed at every meeting to only call police and to never get close to anyone if they suspect something. The 911 dispatch told Zimmerman to not follow the kid. I guess this is a difficult case. "Social Justice" aside: They'll have to find him guilty of something don't you think? A person stalks you in his vehicle, when you try to ditch the person and hide, the stalker gets out of the vehicle and goes looking for you. You have no idea why this person is after you, most likely you are scared, and you don't want to lead the person right to your house and endanger anyone else. You don't have the right to defend yourself against the stalker? The person stalking you has the right to kill you in so-called self defense? The Medical Examiner in court said Zimmerman's injuries were "very insignificant". Why do they need to find him guilty of something, because the mob demands it? Funny I didn't realize we lived in a democracy. The letter of the law needs to be followed as written, not with a grey area in mind. He is either guilty or he isn't, there is NO middle ground or the "Well he followed, so thats gotta account for something" Mob pressure should have ZERO influence on any trial, the rights of the accused outweigh the feelings of the many. Another way to put is, his right trumps their dead. The point I'm making is what sort of example would that set? People can arm themselves, stalk a person who is doing nothing wrong, shoot and kill the person and say they did it in self defense?
The perceived effect/example is moot in regards to Florida law.
It isn't a crime to follow someone and keep an eye on said subject.
Feelings and/or emotions have NO basis or justification in regards to Florida's SYG.
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*SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS / MOLON LABE / Se Defendendo
memoria of cado frater ,Semper fidelis
*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2013,9:44 am |
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So, if Trayvon had a gun that night. He could have said "Crazy ass cracker is stalking me and he has a gun" he could have shot him in self defense.
I agree with Botto that there will be riots after the verdict, and I also wouldn't doubt if it is the end of the Stand Your Ground law, or there will be some serious revisions to the law in most states that have it.
QUOTE Stand Your Ground was supposed to allow people to use deadly force to protect themselves, but since its passage in 2005, the law has been invoked in sometimes unimaginable ways. A Tampa Bay Times examination earlier this year found that in nearly one-third of about 200 cases, it was the defendants who started the fight, shot an unarmed victim or pursued the victim, and still went free.
http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-01...slation
Florida's law of Justifiable Force:
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statute...76.html
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QUOTE The perceived effect/example is moot in regards to Florida law.
It isn't a crime to follow someone and keep an eye on said subject.
Feelings and/or emotions have NO basis or justification in regards to Florida's SYG.
^That's why I wouldn't doubt if the Stand Your Gun law is ended or seriously revised. Pretty much anyone can use that as a defense. And with the other person dead, there's only one side to the story usually. Zimmerman had no right to "keep an eye" on that kid. He called the police, that's what he'd been trained to do.
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I think what gets lost in all this is the notion that we all have to keep an eye on one another now. It's divisive, and often overblown. Everybody is suspicious of everybody, anymore.
The Mower County Sheriff often appears on the local AM radio station, and encourages everyone to "call in suspicious behavior." Who the Hell is even qualified to know what that is, anymore?
My guess is, because of all this B.S., there are a lot of George Zimmermanns out there, looking for that 15 minutes of glory they might enjoy if they help collar some imaginary Bad Guy. And I don't think it's socially healthy.
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Posted on: Jul. 06 2013,10:48 am |
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So if I'm on my back on the the ground getting wailed on by someone, I'm supposed to take the time to think to myself "are these insignificant or significant injuries I'm sustaining?"
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