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MADDOG 
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,10:59 am |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 06 2011,8:30 am)
QUOTE God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
Jesus not a descendant of Abraham? Excuse me? Because Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit? But then,
Mary was from the tribe of Judah whose lineage is from King David. There are fourteen generations between Abraham to David and fourteen generations between David to Jesus.
It seems you have much confusion. You believe in God and try to live by Jesus' teachings. You've decided that if There is a God, he can send you a rule book written by Him instead of man? God told many of the writers what He said and what to put down. Other's were guided by the Holy Spirit in their writings. You have been given that same rule book in the Bible and the same Counselor to help you in the Holy Spirit.
You wrote, QUOTE if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions!
Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere;
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
than dwell in the tents of the wicked. -Psalms 84:10
I guess I suggest you have a visit with your clergy to help you in your faith.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,11:04 am |
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I'll keep putting my faith in God, and not any book written by man, but thanks for the concern MadDog.
Just curious, and not that I think you are wrong or anything, but other people have told me about Mary being a descendant, but I haven't been able to find that info in the bible. I've only seen the lineage that leads to Joseph being a descendant. I'd really appreciate it if you'd point me in the right direction about the Mary lineage. Thanks.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,12:10 pm |
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You've only seen lineage to Joseph because Jewish tradition only traced the head of households. To show you that Mary is a descendant of King David, first you would have to believe in what the bible says.
First, the bible says that Joseph did not touch Mary before her conception, so the lineage to David cannot be actual with Joseph. The old testament proclaims several times throughout that the Messiah would come from the house of David. David was from the tribe of Judah and so was Mary. The angel Gabriel came to Mary and told her that by her the Son of God was to be born. All the prophesies direct us to Jesus and the angel Gabriel would not have lied. Isaiah directed us to Galilee, where Jesus would live as the place of the Messiah.
You have to believe in what is written to believe all this. We do not have the option of touching where the nails were or the hole pieced His side.
Maybe this link will help you some. word ministry
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,1:03 pm |
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(MADDOG @ Sep. 06 2011,12:10 pm)
QUOTE To show you that Mary is a descendant of King David, first you would have to believe in what the bible says.
You have to believe in what is written to believe all this.
That is the problem then, BUT it is my problem. I will continue to live my life by the teachings of love, peace, understanding and not judging others. I don't care what anyone else believes, so long as they aren't hurting anyone in any way. If I'm wrong, then God can judge me. Like I said, I don't believe any of the holy books 100%, and I don't want to flip a coin and fake belief. I'm just as stubborn as any jewish, christian or muslim person in what I believe, and nothing will change my mind. That's ok, I'm not hurting anyone. If you honestly care about other peoples salvation, then thank you, that is kind of you, but you can only do so much and try so hard, just leave the rest up to God.
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White Pride
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,3:54 pm |
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 06 2011,8:30 am)
QUOTE The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions were all started by man, from books that were all three written by man. Each one says theirs is the "only true" one. People MUST pick the one true religion to get to heaven, or they are damned. All three books do agree on some very important things. All three say God is all knowing, and all powerful. If that's true, I'm figuring that He knows what a mess it is here, and how much confusion all three of these "holy" books have caused. They all three mesh together quite well, and personally, I find that the whole thing with all three of these books seems like a really long and scary Twilight Zone episode.
God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants. Christians and muslims fight over this part. Christians say Abrahams son Isaac was who God meant, muslims say Ishmael is who God meant. That's where the christian and islam religions branch off from the jewish religion.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
LIKE! (lol)
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I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
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White Pride
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,4:03 pm |
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Mary, Immaculate? I THINK NOT! It is my belief that she may have been if not with just one, but others as well, or even perhaps molested. In those days, unwed pregnancies were met with VERY dire outcomes. IMO Mary was a liar, a sinner, perhaps even a harlot, yet we are led to believe she was the chosen one of divinity? NO ONE will ever know the full truth. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it true. Hell, it could even be a typeo that started all that nonsense, just like the story of Cinderella. She didn't wear GLASS slippers, they were FUR slippers. Originally written in French, a phonetic error during translation made them glass.
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Dr. Pride here
I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Sep. 06 2011,6:23 pm |
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The earliest any of the letters that made it into the bible were written 30-50 years after Jesus' death. Much of what made it into the bible was written 100 or more years after his death. When it was decided to put the writings together into what is known as the bible, many many books were not picked to be included in the bible. A panel of men chose what writings would be included in the bible.
Even now with all of our technology and readily available information, it is difficult to find out the truth of things that happen only a week ago. Most of the bible was passed about orally. Quite often things get changed and lost, and do I trust that all the men on the panel who picked the books of the bible were good men, and none of them had any sort of agenda? no
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,2:02 am |
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Adam ripped one of his ribs from his body to create a woman called Eve, several thousand years later his biography was written onto thee sheep skin.. 
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Posted on: Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm |
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JOHN 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
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