Topic: On Christ....
started by: the breeze
Posted by the breeze on Aug. 29 2011,10:41 am
On Christ....Here is a man who was born in an obscure village, the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another obscure village. He worked in a carpenter shop until He was thirty, and then for three years He was an itinerant preacher. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never owned a home. He never had a family. He never went to college. He never put His foot inside a big city. He never traveled two hundred miles from the place where He was born. He never did one of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but Himself. He had nothing to do with this world except the naked power of His divine manhood. While still a young man, the tide of popular opinion turned against Him. His friends ran away. One of them denied Him. He was turned over to His enemies. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed upon a cross between two thieves. His executioners gambled for the only piece of property He had on earth while He was dying -- and that was His coat. When He was dead He was taken down and laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend.
Nineteen wide centuries have come and gone and today He is the centerpiece of a human race and the leader of ... progress.
I am far within the mark when I say that all the armies that ever marched, and all the navies that ever were built, and all the parliaments that ever sat, and all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man upon this earth as powerfully as has this One solitary life.
-- Anonymous
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 29 2011,9:49 pm
Breeze, Operation Jericho is calling all Christians to unite in prayer on Sept. 11 in the cities. It does not matter which affiliation one is; they are just calling ALL Christians. The plan is to circle the cities, whether on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, and unite in prayer in celebration of God and of our Faith.
Others have attempted to discredit believers in Christ; they have made attempts at ridicule; still others have made claims any outward sign of God and Faith is somehow offensive and they have solicited the courts for removal of these signs. Operation Jericho is a chance to gather together and say...No More! We will no longer be silent; we want our voices to be heard! Should be an amazing event!
Posted by Joink on Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm
Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all. Too bad that we don't take the time to hear God.God speaks to each of us constantly, but most of us don't listen. We continue to bring harm to each other in this world. And, as displayed right here on this web site we find it very hard to forgive "those that have trespassed against us". Operation Jericho would be over the top if all the world came together and shared the messages that God sends to us every day.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 30 2011,4:48 am
(Joink @ Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm)
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Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all. Too bad that we don't take the time to hear God.
God speaks to each of us constantly, but most of us don't listen. We continue to bring harm to each other in this world. And, as displayed right here on this web site we find it very hard to forgive "those that have trespassed against us". Operation Jericho would be over the top if all the world came together and shared the messages that God sends to us every day.
God speaks to each of us constantly, but most of us don't listen. We continue to bring harm to each other in this world. And, as displayed right here on this web site we find it very hard to forgive "those that have trespassed against us". Operation Jericho would be over the top if all the world came together and shared the messages that God sends to us every day.
Listening seems to be the hard part, doesn't it?
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 30 2011,5:23 am
(Santorini @ Aug. 29 2011,9:49 pm)
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Operation Jericho is calling all Christians to unite in prayer on Sept. 11 in the cities. It does not matter which affiliation one is; they are just calling ALL Christians. The plan is to circle the cities, whether on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, and unite in prayer in celebration of God and of our Faith.
I was curious about this, so I did a Google search. Beware anyone else who tries to find info on this, chances are you'll come up with a bunch of hits about a WWII bombing campaign by the same name.
Here's a video I found:
I think it's great for people to come together on these things, although I'm skeptical, we'll see if this really is about helping: "the poor, the hurting, the abused, the lonely, the addicted, the incarcerated" as mentioned in the video. They're starting this on 9/11 and ending at the state capital, so my guess is this is a handful of power players trying to campaign for something.
I'll be happy to see them prove me wrong. Don't mean to rain on their parade, but years of following politics has made me even more cynical than I was before.
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 30 2011,9:51 am
Irish Eyes,Powerful video isnt it? The voice-over in the video is a relative of mine!! This operation has nothing to do with politics...nothing to do with any organization...it was organized by ordinary people whose only alterior motive is to unite in prayer to help the neediest among us.
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 30 2011,9:58 am
Posted by Zzz on Aug. 30 2011,4:25 pm
(Joink @ Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm)
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Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all.
Because as Christians we believe Christ is God and therefore pray in Jesus name to our Father in heaven. Believing that God the Father will answer our prayers in the name of Jesus is pretty much the point of the christian gathering.
Posted by the breeze on Aug. 31 2011,1:37 pm
(Santorini @ Aug. 29 2011,9:49 pm)
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Breeze,
Operation Jericho is calling all Christians to unite in prayer on Sept. 11 in the cities. It does not matter which affiliation one is; they are just calling ALL Christians. The plan is to circle the cities, whether on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, and unite in prayer in celebration of God and of our Faith.
Others have attempted to discredit believers in Christ; they have made attempts at ridicule; still others have made claims any outward sign of God and Faith is somehow offensive and they have solicited the courts for removal of these signs. Operation Jericho is a chance to gather together and say...No More! We will no longer be silent; we want our voices to be heard! Should be an amazing event!
Operation Jericho is calling all Christians to unite in prayer on Sept. 11 in the cities. It does not matter which affiliation one is; they are just calling ALL Christians. The plan is to circle the cities, whether on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, and unite in prayer in celebration of God and of our Faith.
Others have attempted to discredit believers in Christ; they have made attempts at ridicule; still others have made claims any outward sign of God and Faith is somehow offensive and they have solicited the courts for removal of these signs. Operation Jericho is a chance to gather together and say...No More! We will no longer be silent; we want our voices to be heard! Should be an amazing event!
sounds real good. i was unaware of it, thank you.
Posted by the breeze on Aug. 31 2011,1:39 pm
(Zzz @ Aug. 30 2011,4:25 pm)
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(Joink @ Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm)
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Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all.
Because as Christians we believe Christ is God and therefore pray in Jesus name to our Father in heaven. Believing that God the Father will answer our prayers in the name of Jesus is pretty much the point of the christian gathering.
Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 31 2011,2:35 pm
Thank God the future does not belong to you and your types.
Posted by White Pride on Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm
(Zzz @ Aug. 30 2011,4:25 pm)
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(Joink @ Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm)
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Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all.
Because as Christians we believe Christ is God and therefore pray in Jesus name to our Father in heaven. Believing that God the Father will answer our prayers in the name of Jesus is pretty much the point of the christian gathering.
Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions. That is why they only want Christians. Christ is not (repeat: NOT) god. How will so many believing in the wrong idea ever get it right? Jesus was a simple man, a carpenter, born of limited means, that taught an idea to who ever would listen, and thus the basis of Christianity was born.
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 31 2011,4:37 pm
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Stephen F. Roberts
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 31 2011,9:19 pm
(White Pride @ Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm)
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Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions. That is why they only want Christians. Christ is not (repeat: NOT) god. How will so many believing in the wrong idea ever get it right? Jesus was a simple man, a carpenter, born of limited means, that taught an idea to who ever would listen, and thus the basis of Christianity was born.
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
Christianity does not teach prejudice. That does not mean there is no prejudice in Christians. As followers of Christ we all know that we are suppose to lead our lives as God would like us to, but none of us are perfect. All of us sin, but we believe that God is a forgiving God.
Of course it is our and God's desire for all of us to be Christians. He gives each of us that choice. To believe in Him or not. As Christians, we are to share our faith, not force or demand it of you. God gives you the opportunity to make the biggest decision of your life. How you live it, you live it by your choice.
Christ is not God? I give you half credit on that one. Christ is not God. God is the father and Jesus His son. One is of the other though. John 14:11 says "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."
Jesus did lead a simple life, the son of a carpenter. He did teach an idea; He taught the words of God and taught those around him how they should live. He taught them how to treat each other and He taught how we should love God. He did great things and He offered himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice.
Jesus taught His disciples to teach others about Him after He was gone. Matthew 28:19,20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Perhaps I believe in one more god than you. If that is true, I'm willing to share mine with you.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 31 2011,10:39 pm
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Perhaps I believe in one more god than you. If that is true, I'm willing to share mine with you.
Are you suggesting other religions wouldn't share their God(s)?
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 01 2011,6:04 am
No I am not suggesting that. There is only one true God, and it is written, "You shall have no other gods before me."
Posted by Roadhouse on Sep. 01 2011,7:57 am
Reminds me of a phrase,"Comes a time, when a blind man takes your hand, says don't you see?"
Posted by grassman on Sep. 01 2011,8:48 am
(MADDOG @ Aug. 31 2011,9:19 pm)
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(White Pride @ Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm)
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Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions. That is why they only want Christians. Christ is not (repeat: NOT) god. How will so many believing in the wrong idea ever get it right? Jesus was a simple man, a carpenter, born of limited means, that taught an idea to who ever would listen, and thus the basis of Christianity was born.
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
Christianity does not teach prejudice. That does not mean there is no prejudice in Christians. As followers of Christ we all know that we are suppose to lead our lives as God would like us to, but none of us are perfect. All of us sin, but we believe that God is a forgiving God.
Of course it is our and God's desire for all of us to be Christians. He gives each of us that choice. To believe in Him or not. As Christians, we are to share our faith, not force or demand it of you. God gives you the opportunity to make the biggest decision of your life. How you live it, you live it by your choice.
Christ is not God? I give you half credit on that one. Christ is not God. God is the father and Jesus His son. One is of the other though. John 14:11 says "Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves."
Jesus did lead a simple life, the son of a carpenter. He did teach an idea; He taught the words of God and taught those around him how they should live. He taught them how to treat each other and He taught how we should love God. He did great things and He offered himself for us as the ultimate sacrifice.
Jesus taught His disciples to teach others about Him after He was gone. Matthew 28:19,20 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Perhaps I believe in one more god than you. If that is true, I'm willing to share mine with you.
Well put.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 01 2011,8:56 am
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There is only one true God, and it is written, "You shall have no other gods before me."
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"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Stephen F. Roberts
There's one God in your religion, because it says so in a book written by goat herders in the middle east starting around 5000 years back. Personally, I can't see taking a cave dwelling goat herder's word on something like that.
Posted by grassman on Sep. 01 2011,9:17 am
Alas, that is your personal choice. That is the beauty of it. It is your choice.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 01 2011,9:52 am
(White Pride @ Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm)
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(Zzz @ Aug. 30 2011,4:25 pm)
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(Joink @ Aug. 29 2011,11:27 pm)
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Why not call everybody, not only Christians to unite in prayer. God will hear us all.
Because as Christians we believe Christ is God and therefore pray in Jesus name to our Father in heaven. Believing that God the Father will answer our prayers in the name of Jesus is pretty much the point of the christian gathering.
Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions. That is why they only want Christians. Christ is not (repeat: NOT) god. How will so many believing in the wrong idea ever get it right? Jesus was a simple man, a carpenter, born of limited means, that taught an idea to who ever would listen, and thus the basis of Christianity was born.
I USED to be a Christian.. but got tired of all the elitist attitude and the B.S. You could say, I opened my eyes and learned to think for myself
The word “Godhead” is found in Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the King James Bible. All modern corrupt Bible versions completely remove this critical word, “Godhead.” Satan wants to deceive you concerning the Godhead. The word “Trinity” may not be in the Bible, but the word “Godhead” most certainly is. Why would anyone remove this word from the Bible? It's because the Devil wants to deceive you.
Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Posted by Joink on Sep. 01 2011,10:20 am
Sorry to rain on your parade Breeze, but there is no devil, satan or whatever you want to call the reason for evil. Here is a thought to ponder. We all share this wonderful loving and forgiving God and I assure you he/she is not going to give us up to a devil to burn in hell forever. Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. Man (religion) created the devil to keep the flock in line with fear of eternal damnation if you didn't comply with their version of religion. We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 01 2011,12:58 pm
The word Satan is mentioned over 30 times in just the new testament. That doesn't take into consideration any other of the names used to descibe him such as the accuser, the adversary, antichrist, the beast, the deceiver and devil. The list goes on. He that is of this earth, the enemy, power of darkness, the prince of the power of the air. How many names would you like? Jesus himself had several encounters with the devil.
Posted by canvasback on Sep. 01 2011,2:38 pm
•"Our knowledge of the historical worth of certain religious doctrines increases our respect for them, but does not invalidate our proposal that they should cease to be put forward as the reasons for the precepts of civilization. On the contrary! Those historical residues have helped us to view religious teachings, as it were, as neurotic relics, and we may now argue that the time has probably come, as it does in an analytic treatment, for replacing the effects of repression by the results of the rational operation of the intellect."•"The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. It is still more humiliating to discover how a large number of people living today, who cannot but see that this religion is not tenable, nevertheless try to defend it piece by piece in a series of pitiful rearguard actions."...Sigmund Freud
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 01 2011,3:45 pm
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•"Our knowledge of the historical worth of certain religious doctrines increases our respect for them, but does not invalidate our proposal that they should cease to be put forward as the reasons for the precepts of civilization. On the contrary! Those historical residues have helped us to view religious teachings, as it were, as neurotic relics, and we may now argue that the time has probably come, as it does in an analytic treatment, for replacing the effects of repression by the results of the rational operation of the intellect."
•"The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. It is still more humiliating to discover how a large number of people living today, who cannot but see that this religion is not tenable, nevertheless try to defend it piece by piece in a series of pitiful rearguard actions."...Sigmund Freud
•"The whole thing is so patently infantile, so foreign to reality, that to anyone with a friendly attitude to humanity it is painful to think that the great majority of mortals will never be able to rise above this view of life. It is still more humiliating to discover how a large number of people living today, who cannot but see that this religion is not tenable, nevertheless try to defend it piece by piece in a series of pitiful rearguard actions."...Sigmund Freud
"Now it is nothing but torture." — Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
deathbed quote. too bad it was too late.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 01 2011,3:48 pm
(Joink @ Sep. 01 2011,10:20 am)
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Sorry to rain on your parade Breeze, but there is no devil, satan or whatever you want to call the reason for evil. Here is a thought to ponder. We all share this wonderful loving and forgiving God and I assure you he/she is not going to give us up to a devil to burn in hell forever. Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. Man (religion) created the devil to keep the flock in line with fear of eternal damnation if you didn't comply with their version of religion. We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
i like the rain. accept the Bible just as it is, for exactly what it claims to be. dont worry about the theories of the critics. the ingenious and impudent effort of modern criticism to undermine the historical reliability of the Bible will pass; and THE BIBLE itself will stand as the Light of the human race..
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 01 2011,5:24 pm
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"Now it is nothing but torture." — Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
deathbed quote. too bad it was too late.
Too late for what? Are you suggesting that he was going to hell because he didn't believe in your god?
People like you are what hurts religion, and if anything will stand as the light of the human race it would be the intellect of the human race, not their superstitions.
Posted by canvasback on Sep. 01 2011,6:04 pm
That quote from Freud was a reference to an interview he was giving about his cocaine addiction and his reversal on his thoughts about having used it...to excess. Oh...and I agree Lib!
Posted by Zzz on Sep. 01 2011,6:13 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 01 2011,12:58 pm)
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The word Satan is mentioned over 30 times in just the new testament. That doesn't take into consideration any other of the names used to descibe him such as the accuser, the adversary, antichrist, the beast, the deceiver and devil. The list goes on. He that is of this earth, the enemy, power of darkness, the prince of the power of the air. How many names would you like? Jesus himself had several encounters with the devil.
Tell it like it is brother!
Posted by Zzz on Sep. 01 2011,6:16 pm
(the breeze @ Sep. 01 2011,9:52 am)
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The word “Godhead” is found in Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the King James Bible. All modern corrupt Bible versions completely remove this critical word, “Godhead.” Satan wants to deceive you concerning the Godhead. The word “Trinity” may not be in the Bible, but the word “Godhead” most certainly is. Why would anyone remove this word from the Bible? It's because the Devil wants to deceive you.
Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 02 2011,9:37 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 01 2011,5:24 pm)
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"Now it is nothing but torture." — Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
deathbed quote. too bad it was too late.
Too late for what? Are you suggesting that he was going to hell because he didn't believe in your god?
People like you are what hurts religion, and if anything will stand as the light of the human race it would be the intellect of the human race, not their superstitions.
suggesting.?
no, i am saying according to The Bible he is going to hell.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 02 2011,9:52 am
(canvasback @ Sep. 01 2011,6:04 pm)
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That quote from Freud was a reference to an interview he was giving about his cocaine addiction and his reversal on his thoughts about having used it...to excess. Oh...and I agree Lib!
"Now it is nothing but torture." — Sigmund Freud (1856-1939).
this quote was made on his death bed when like any atheist he should have been looking forward to eternal rest. oh....and i disagree lib.!
Posted by canvasback on Sep. 02 2011,11:54 am
You are simply a moron. Religion has caused more war and suffering than you are probably willing to admit. What really kills me everytime... if you were truly what you say you are, a good christian, you would not spew forth the venom that you do. You would not put down those with different views or ideology. If yours is a God of love, then you would accept, forgive, and attempt to understand and embrace those different from your beliefs. I believe the word is hypocrite. Instead, you turn a deaf ear, continue to try and shove your beliefs down peoples throat, and come across as though you are better than those not of like thinking. YOU are definitely what gives religion, faith, a bad name. IMO, based on some of your posts, I believe that you are also racist. Have a nice day...
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 02 2011,1:44 pm
Hypocrit is a word probably most often used to descibe a Christian. Why, because many or most have the mindset that we are suppose to be perfect. Sorry, but we aren't. We are suppose to follow in Christ footsteps, but we many times simply cannot or won't. You say breeze spews forth venom. Jesus spoke of this and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.” Paul reminds us in Ephesians, "Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
Anotherwords, we must work at keeping our hearts pure so pure things come out of our mouths. A difficult task when the accuser is so close to tempt us. All of us here know that I am capable of these things too. All of us have the goodness given us, we must strive to follow the Holy Spirit's guidance. We need to remember our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 02 2011,2:19 pm
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You are simply a moron. Religion has caused more war and suffering than you are probably willing to admit. What really kills me everytime... if you were truly what you say you are, a good christian, you would not spew forth the venom that you do. You would not put down those with different views or ideology. If yours is a God of love, then you would accept, forgive, and attempt to understand and embrace those different from your beliefs. I believe the word is hypocrite. Instead, you turn a deaf ear, continue to try and shove your beliefs down peoples throat, and come across as though you are better than those not of like thinking. YOU are definitely what gives religion, faith, a bad name. IMO, based on some of your posts, I believe that you are also racist. Have a nice day...
how can i be a raciest.? there is only ONE race of which i am a part. why are you so insulting.?? you are right about organized realign tho.
Christian Religion/True Relationship
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Christian Religion vs True Relationship
Please understand, I'm not selling "Christian religion" here. If anything, I still believe "religion" has kept more people from God than anything else in history.
Actually, I've discovered that true Christianity isn't a Christian religion at all - it's discovering and establishing a relationship with God. It's trusting in Jesus and what He did on the cross for you and me,1 not on what we can do for ourselves.2
"True Christianity" isn't about "organized religion." It's not about hierarchical structures, ornate buildings, flamboyant preachers, or traditional rules and rituals. In fact, let's just drop the "Christianity" label all together. Simply, it's pursuing and reconciling three basic questions of life:
Does God exist? If so, what am I going to do about it?
Is the Bible true? If so, what does that mean for me?
Who is Jesus? If he is who he claims to be, how will this reality change my life?
Again, it's not about the so-called "Christian religion" at all...
It's not about the man-made machine we know today as "Christianity"...
It's all about Jesus.
He's either the Son of God who offers the only true hope for the world, or he's not.
< http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/christi...hip.htm >
Done.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 02 2011,2:22 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 02 2011,1:44 pm)
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Hypocrit is a word probably most often used to descibe a Christian. Why, because many or most have the mindset that we are suppose to be perfect. Sorry, but we aren't. We are suppose to follow in Christ footsteps, but we many times simply cannot or won't. You say breeze spews forth venom. Jesus spoke of this and said, “Listen and understand. What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
Paul reminds us in Ephesians, "Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
Anotherwords, we must work at keeping our hearts pure so pure things come out of our mouths. A difficult task when the accuser is so close to tempt us. All of us here know that I am capable of these things too. All of us have the goodness given us, we must strive to follow the Holy Spirit's guidance. We need to remember our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil.
Paul reminds us in Ephesians, "Anyone who has been stealing must steal no longer, but must work, doing something useful with their own hands, that they may have something to share with those in need.
Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, with whom you were sealed for the day of redemption."
Anotherwords, we must work at keeping our hearts pure so pure things come out of our mouths. A difficult task when the accuser is so close to tempt us. All of us here know that I am capable of these things too. All of us have the goodness given us, we must strive to follow the Holy Spirit's guidance. We need to remember our struggle is not with flesh and blood, but against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil.
woof woof
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 04 2011,11:44 am
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(White Pride @ Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm)
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Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions.
Of course it is our and God's desire for all of us to be Christians. He gives each of us that choice. To believe in Him or not. As Christians, we are to share our faith, not force or demand it of you.
Perhaps I believe in one more god than you. If that is true, I'm willing to share mine with you.
I am not quoting you to poke at YOU directly, but what you have said.. the items I placed in bold are what I am talking about. YOUR god WANTS me to be a Christian. I don't WANT to be a Christian! It's being forced on me by being repeatedly being told that god wants me, by Christians! I don't want ANYONE to share their idea of god with me! I tried that once; didn't like how I was expected to become a mindless sheeple and expected to spread the lies to others!
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 04 2011,11:48 am
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Sorry to rain on your parade Breeze, but there is no devil, satan or whatever you want to call the reason for evil. Here is a thought to ponder. We all share this wonderful loving and forgiving God and I assure you he/she is not going to give us up to a devil to burn in hell forever. Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. Man (religion) created the devil to keep the flock in line with fear of eternal damnation if you didn't comply with their version of religion. We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
I partly agree with this... BUT god would never exist without the devil (or what ever you want to perceive evil to be). You can't have good without evil. There has to be a consequence of not believing. The part I do agree on is that MAN has created evil as a fear tactic to keep the sheeple in line! God IS everywhere, spouting from the mouths of the brain-washed and weak-minded.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 04 2011,11:56 am
The faith I live by is to be good to others, believe that everyone has the chance to be decent to fellow man, and to encourage growth in everyone. I don't need to be "guided" by a book that was translated by candle light on a dirt road en route to the gilded king (James), from the supposed dead sea scrolls (which no one will admit to having today), all written by MEN who believed the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth, and women were inferior.
Consider the source of your core being before "offering" your beliefs to others (in hopes to "save" them).
A good friend of mine, who is VERY religious, would tell you that god could simply be aliens. His argument is that you see a lot of similar drawings, carvings, symbols, etc. all across the world in places where different religions have been said to be founded. Sadly, I find more credibility in this idea, than the one Christianity demands to be true!
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 04 2011,1:21 pm
(canvasback @ Sep. 02 2011,11:54 am)
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You are simply a moron. Religion has caused more war and suffering than you are probably willing to admit. What really kills me everytime... if you were truly what you say you are, a good christian, you would not spew forth the venom that you do. You would not put down those with different views or ideology. If yours is a God of love, then you would accept, forgive, and attempt to understand and embrace those different from your beliefs. I believe the word is hypocrite. Instead, you turn a deaf ear, continue to try and shove your beliefs down peoples throat, and come across as though you are better than those not of like thinking. YOU are definitely what gives religion, faith, a bad name. IMO, based on some of your posts, I believe that you are also racist. Have a nice day...
More gaggle by athiests (non believers) who typically hijack the topic with their normal insanities and scorn
Your post is a perfect example!![Why is it that people who hold no belief or believe differently from Christians attack, pour scorn, try to belittle, gang up on, and generally try to silence believers of Christ?] Reminder[...self will is the cause of problems...not the solution!]
WHY would you call someone a racist? That makes no sense?
YOU are the one that has obviously REFUSED the invitation to the party, its your choice to come along or not...so you have separted from us, not the other way around!
[Christians view the world through a God-Filter and
NON-Christians view God through a world-filter].
No wonder we see different things in His Word.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 04 2011,8:38 pm
(White Pride @ Sep. 04 2011,11:44 am)
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(MADDOG @ Aug. 31 2011,9:19 pm)
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(White Pride @ Aug. 31 2011,3:37 pm)
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Christianity is prejudice against ALL other religions.
Of course it is our and God's desire for all of us to be Christians. He gives each of us that choice. To believe in Him or not. As Christians, we are to share our faith, not force or demand it of you.
Perhaps I believe in one more god than you. If that is true, I'm willing to share mine with you.
I am not quoting you to poke at YOU directly, but what you have said.. the items I placed in bold are what I am talking about. YOUR god WANTS me to be a Christian. I don't WANT to be a Christian! It's being forced on me by being repeatedly being told that god wants me, by Christians! I don't want ANYONE to share their idea of god with me! I tried that once; didn't like how I was expected to become a mindless sheeple and expected to spread the lies to others!
No offense taken. It is not for us to force our God on anyone. Simply to invite you to His table.
When Jesus sent out the twelve, he told them to proclaim this message, "The Kingdom of heaven is near." Before they left, He told them, “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts—no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. As you enter the home, give it your greeting. If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town."
You have been given the choice, and it sounds like you have made your decision. We must accept that choice. It is a difficult one to make, and believe it or not, sometimes things happen to help make some change their minds. Saul of Tarsus comes to mind.
What you see as someone trying to force Christianity on you, they may believe they are trying to be persistent. If it is someone close to you, it's likely because of our belief. You said you tried it and didn't like it, so you do know why they are that way. It may be your own rejection of our Christian faith that angers you more that the fact they are persistent.
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The part I do agree on is that MAN has created evil as a fear tactic to keep the sheeple in line!
You are so close to hitting the nail. Satan gave man fear and taught him how to do evil. Fear is not given by God other than we are taught to fear Him. We believe that God is love. "There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love."QUOTE
all written by MEN who believed the world was flat, the sun revolved around the earth
What, because man had not attained that knowledge yet? Obviously not knowledge necessary for their belief in God.I was reading this last week.
Psalm 113:1-3 1 Praise the LORD.
Praise the LORD, you his servants;
praise the name of the LORD.
2 Let the name of the LORD be praised,
both now and forevermore.
3 From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets,
the name of the LORD is to be praised.
Not understanding the sun-earth relationship does not change the message.
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The faith I live by is to be good to others, believe that everyone has the chance to be decent to fellow man, and to encourage growth in everyone.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 04 2011,8:45 pm
(Santorini @ Sep. 04 2011,1:21 pm)
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[Why is it that people who hold no belief or believe differently from Christians attack, pour scorn, try to belittle, gang up on, and generally try to silence believers of Christ?]
You know the answer to that. The answer is in your question.
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 05 2011,9:41 am
(MADDOG @ Sep. 04 2011,8:45 pm)
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(Santorini @ Sep. 04 2011,1:21 pm)
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[Why is it that people who hold no belief or believe differently from Christians attack, pour scorn, try to belittle, gang up on, and generally try to silence believers of Christ?]
You know the answer to that. The answer is in your question.
I know!!
It was meant as a rhetorical question!
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 05 2011,9:57 am
(White Pride @ Sep. 04 2011,11:48 am)
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(Joink @ Sep. 01 2011,10:20 am)
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Sorry to rain on your parade Breeze, but there is no devil, satan or whatever you want to call the reason for evil. Here is a thought to ponder. We all share this wonderful loving and forgiving God and I assure you he/she is not going to give us up to a devil to burn in hell forever. Sorry, but that just isn't going to happen. Man (religion) created the devil to keep the flock in line with fear of eternal damnation if you didn't comply with their version of religion. We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
I partly agree with this... BUT god would never exist without the devil (or what ever you want to perceive evil to be). You can't have good without evil. There has to be a consequence of not believing. The part I do agree on is that MAN has created evil as a fear tactic to keep the sheeple in line! God IS everywhere, spouting from the mouths of the brain-washed and weak-minded.
Actually...the weak minded are those that think they can go it alone!
Take a bonfire for example...
One that has many many many logs on it...and more and more logs are added...
VS
the one that has only one log on it
Which one do you think is going to burn the longest and be the strongest?
This is how Faith works! Through prayer. WE, the Faithful, who together in prayer and celebration of Christ
represent the many logs on the fire...the bonfire that will keep going and going and going.
VS
the fire with only one log that will quickly burn out
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 05 2011,10:29 am
(Zzz @ Sep. 01 2011,6:16 pm)
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(the breeze @ Sep. 01 2011,9:52 am)
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The word “Godhead” is found in Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20 and Colossians 2:9 in the King James Bible. All modern corrupt Bible versions completely remove this critical word, “Godhead.” Satan wants to deceive you concerning the Godhead. The word “Trinity” may not be in the Bible, but the word “Godhead” most certainly is. Why would anyone remove this word from the Bible? It's because the Devil wants to deceive you.
Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
Colossians 2:9 says, "...For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."
doctrine of the Trinity is most certainly referenced in the Bible
Matthew 28:19 [go, therefore, and make diciples of all nations. Baptize them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit]
also, Cor.13:14, Heb. 9:14 to name a few
God the Father protects
God the Son teaches
God the Holy Spirit guides
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 05 2011,11:39 am
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 05 2011,12:39 pm
(Santorini @ Sep. 05 2011,9:57 am)
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Actually...the weak minded are those that think they can go it alone!
Take a bonfire for example...
One that has many many many logs on it...and more and more logs are added...
VS
the one that has only one log on it
Which one do you think is going to burn the longest and be the strongest?
This is how Faith works! Through prayer. WE, the Faithful, who together in prayer and celebration of Christ
represent the many logs on the fire...the bonfire that will keep going and going and going.
VS
the fire with only one log that will quickly burn out
Take a bonfire for example...
One that has many many many logs on it...and more and more logs are added...
VS
the one that has only one log on it
Which one do you think is going to burn the longest and be the strongest?
This is how Faith works! Through prayer. WE, the Faithful, who together in prayer and celebration of Christ
represent the many logs on the fire...the bonfire that will keep going and going and going.
VS
the fire with only one log that will quickly burn out
Does the soul of people go directly to heaven when they die or do they get put on a waiting list for the next available opening?
Did you know that the cross was used to execute tens of thousands of people? Maybe we should now be wearing a syringe around our necks since people are executed by lethal injection..
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 05 2011,3:54 pm
(Joink @ Sep. 01 2011,10:20 am)
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We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
It really is THAT simple.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 05 2011,4:10 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 05 2011,3:54 pm)
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(Joink @ Sep. 01 2011,10:20 am)
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We are all part of God. God is everywhere.
It really is THAT simple.
but not all are going to swept into Heaven with one big broom,Matthew 7:13-14
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Narrow Way
13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because[a] narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Footnotes:
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 05 2011,4:37 pm
Deuteronomy 23:1 He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 05 2011,4:44 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 05 2011,4:37 pm)
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Deuteronomy 23:1
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
sorry to hear you wont make it.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 05 2011,5:42 pm
The Crusades, The Inquisition, pedophile priests, second-class citizen status for GLBT people, the marginalization of countless aboriginal peoples, Pat Robertson... How many glaring examples of Christianity's hypocritical failure do you self-righteous pew warmers need before you stop taking this nonsensical path-of-least-resistance sheeplike folly seriously?
If we all behaved like you kooks wanted, we'd still be stoning women for infidelity.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 05 2011,9:56 pm
(Liberal @ Sep. 05 2011,4:37 pm)
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Deuteronomy 23:1
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
One of the Books of Law. Moses was speaking of the people of Israel when he wrote this. There are many laws strange to us in these books.
Did you know that Jesus followed the laws given to Moses by God perfectly. On one of the many times He spoke to Jewish officials, he said,
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"Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” < John 8 42-47 >
In fact, Jewish officials could find no laws he broke to convict Him of anything.
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But Pilate answered, “You take him and crucify him. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him.” John 19:6b
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 05 2011,10:01 pm
(Botto 82 @ Sep. 05 2011,5:42 pm)
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If we all behaved like you kooks wanted, we'd still be stoning women for infidelity.
Funny you should mention that. Read the beginning of John 8 verses 3-11.
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The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
“No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 05 2011,11:37 pm
YES! Sin is acceptable! WOO HOO John! 
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2011,12:08 am
(White Pride @ Sep. 05 2011,11:37 pm)
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YES! Sin is acceptable! WOO HOO John!
Not acceptable, forgivable.
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 06 2011,2:28 am
(Liberal @ Sep. 05 2011,11:39 am)
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Faith can refer to beliefs that are not based on proof..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith >
Have you noticed that Teabaggers have this habit of not needing to know the facts?
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 06 2011,6:34 am
(White Pride @ Sep. 05 2011,11:37 pm)
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YES! Sin is acceptable! WOO HOO John!
You are quite right with that statement!
Sin is so meshed with and intertwined in our society that most people dont even recognize it anymore...sin has become so acceptable. Sin coexists in our society so much so that people have become slaves to it. This is why many of us need our Faith, our Church, our Christian Community...through Farith and prayer we are awarded the armor to protect ourselves from the snares of evil. It is very difficult with all of the temptations out there that have been allowed to fester and grow and become a normal part of our daily existence, which is why prayer is so important.
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 06 2011,6:41 am
(alcitizens @ Sep. 06 2011,2:28 am)
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(Liberal @ Sep. 05 2011,11:39 am)
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Faith can refer to beliefs that are not based on proof..
< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith >
Have you noticed that Teabaggers have this habit of not needing to know the facts?
If you have a family...spouse, kids, grandkids, parents...and you profess to Love them...how do they know you actually love them? That love you profess cannot be proven, cannot be touched, cannot be measured...so how do they know? They have belief or trust in your devotion...faith!!!!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 06 2011,8:30 am
The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions were all started by man, from books that were all three written by man. Each one says theirs is the "only true" one. People MUST pick the one true religion to get to heaven, or they are damned. All three books do agree on some very important things. All three say God is all knowing, and all powerful. If that's true, I'm figuring that He knows what a mess it is here, and how much confusion all three of these "holy" books have caused. They all three mesh together quite well, and personally, I find that the whole thing with all three of these books seems like a really long and scary Twilight Zone episode. God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants. Christians and muslims fight over this part. Christians say Abrahams son Isaac was who God meant, muslims say Ishmael is who God meant. That's where the christian and islam religions branch off from the jewish religion.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2011,10:59 am
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 06 2011,8:30 am)
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God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
Jesus not a descendant of Abraham? Excuse me? Because Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit? But then,
Mary was from the tribe of Judah whose lineage is from King David. There are fourteen generations between Abraham to David and fourteen generations between David to Jesus.
It seems you have much confusion. You believe in God and try to live by Jesus' teachings. You've decided that if There is a God, he can send you a rule book written by Him instead of man? God told many of the writers what He said and what to put down. Other's were guided by the Holy Spirit in their writings. You have been given that same rule book in the Bible and the same Counselor to help you in the Holy Spirit.
You wrote,
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if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions!
Better is one day in your courts than a thousand elsewhere;
I would rather be a doorkeeper in the house of my God
than dwell in the tents of the wicked. -Psalms 84:10
I guess I suggest you have a visit with your clergy to help you in your faith.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 06 2011,11:04 am
I'll keep putting my faith in God, and not any book written by man, but thanks for the concern MadDog. Just curious, and not that I think you are wrong or anything, but other people have told me about Mary being a descendant, but I haven't been able to find that info in the bible. I've only seen the lineage that leads to Joseph being a descendant. I'd really appreciate it if you'd point me in the right direction about the Mary lineage. Thanks.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 06 2011,12:10 pm
You've only seen lineage to Joseph because Jewish tradition only traced the head of households. To show you that Mary is a descendant of King David, first you would have to believe in what the bible says.First, the bible says that Joseph did not touch Mary before her conception, so the lineage to David cannot be actual with Joseph. The old testament proclaims several times throughout that the Messiah would come from the house of David. David was from the tribe of Judah and so was Mary. The angel Gabriel came to Mary and told her that by her the Son of God was to be born. All the prophesies direct us to Jesus and the angel Gabriel would not have lied. Isaiah directed us to Galilee, where Jesus would live as the place of the Messiah.
You have to believe in what is written to believe all this. We do not have the option of touching where the nails were or the hole pieced His side.
Maybe this link will help you some. < word ministry >
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 06 2011,1:03 pm
(MADDOG @ Sep. 06 2011,12:10 pm)
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To show you that Mary is a descendant of King David, first you would have to believe in what the bible says.
You have to believe in what is written to believe all this.
You have to believe in what is written to believe all this.
That is the problem then, BUT it is my problem. I will continue to live my life by the teachings of love, peace, understanding and not judging others. I don't care what anyone else believes, so long as they aren't hurting anyone in any way. If I'm wrong, then God can judge me. Like I said, I don't believe any of the holy books 100%, and I don't want to flip a coin and fake belief. I'm just as stubborn as any jewish, christian or muslim person in what I believe, and nothing will change my mind. That's ok, I'm not hurting anyone. If you honestly care about other peoples salvation, then thank you, that is kind of you, but you can only do so much and try so hard, just leave the rest up to God.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 06 2011,3:54 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 06 2011,8:30 am)
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The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religions were all started by man, from books that were all three written by man. Each one says theirs is the "only true" one. People MUST pick the one true religion to get to heaven, or they are damned. All three books do agree on some very important things. All three say God is all knowing, and all powerful. If that's true, I'm figuring that He knows what a mess it is here, and how much confusion all three of these "holy" books have caused. They all three mesh together quite well, and personally, I find that the whole thing with all three of these books seems like a really long and scary Twilight Zone episode.
God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants. Christians and muslims fight over this part. Christians say Abrahams son Isaac was who God meant, muslims say Ishmael is who God meant. That's where the christian and islam religions branch off from the jewish religion.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
God told Abraham that He would have an everlasting covenant with one of his descendants. Christians and muslims fight over this part. Christians say Abrahams son Isaac was who God meant, muslims say Ishmael is who God meant. That's where the christian and islam religions branch off from the jewish religion.
And actually, Jesus really isn't a descendant of Abraham anyway. Mary isn't a descendant of Abraham, her husband Joseph was, but...we're told Joseph isn't Jesus' daddy.
I do believe in God, and I try always to live by Jesus' teachings of love, peace, understanding, and not judge others. I'm not jewish, christian or muslim. I've decided, if God really is all knowing and all powerful, then He can send me a rule book himself, instead of one that men write. I honestly don't think God even cares if anyone believes in Him or not. He's all knowing, He understands how difficult it would be for some people to not believe without proof.
So I'll live trying to be a good and loving person, I think that's all that matters. If I'm wrong I go to hell forever, but that's not hurting anyone but me. Besides, if I am wrong, and one of these faiths is the "one and only true one", well, I'd rather be in hell than stuck with all the followers of any one of those three religions! I know not all of any one certain religion is nasty and hateful, but I've met enough of all three to know that ALOT of them are.
LIKE! (lol)
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 06 2011,4:03 pm
Mary, Immaculate? I THINK NOT! It is my belief that she may have been if not with just one, but others as well, or even perhaps molested. In those days, unwed pregnancies were met with VERY dire outcomes. IMO Mary was a liar, a sinner, perhaps even a harlot, yet we are led to believe she was the chosen one of divinity? NO ONE will ever know the full truth. Just because someone wrote it doesn't make it true. Hell, it could even be a typeo that started all that nonsense, just like the story of Cinderella. She didn't wear GLASS slippers, they were FUR slippers. Originally written in French, a phonetic error during translation made them glass.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 06 2011,6:23 pm
The earliest any of the letters that made it into the bible were written 30-50 years after Jesus' death. Much of what made it into the bible was written 100 or more years after his death. When it was decided to put the writings together into what is known as the bible, many many books were not picked to be included in the bible. A panel of men chose what writings would be included in the bible. Even now with all of our technology and readily available information, it is difficult to find out the truth of things that happen only a week ago. Most of the bible was passed about orally. Quite often things get changed and lost, and do I trust that all the men on the panel who picked the books of the bible were good men, and none of them had any sort of agenda? no
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 07 2011,2:02 am
Adam ripped one of his ribs from his body to create a woman called Eve, several thousand years later his biography was written onto thee sheep skin..
Posted by Zzz on Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm
JOHN 3:5"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
Posted by fredbear on Sep. 07 2011,2:30 pm
(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
Beer is good too. Therefore Evil is the absence of beer.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 07 2011,3:14 pm
(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That whole bit doesn't sound very loving OR understanding. What if the one person you loved most in the world, either a child or partner, started thinking christianity might not be right, and decided to become atheist or a different religion? Since YOU are christian, you go to heaven, but your loved one goes to hell to be tormented forever and ever?? If you knew your loved one was going to be in everlasting misery that wouldn't bother you? You would still be in "heaven"? I can never get an honest answer on this question.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 07 2011,3:19 pm
(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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JOHN 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
BAAAAA!
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 07 2011,3:20 pm
(fredbear @ Sep. 07 2011,2:30 pm)
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(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
Beer is good too. Therefore Evil is the absence of beer.
BEER is good, good is god, therefore...
BEER IS GOD!
Praise beer!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 07 2011,4:49 pm
(White Pride @ Sep. 07 2011,3:19 pm)
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(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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JOHN 3:5
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (natural birth) and of the Spirit (accepting Jesus as Lord), he cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
ON EVIL:
Evil is the absence of Good. God is Good, therefore Evil is the absence of God.
BAAAAA!
Funny you should use a lion for an avatar and BAAA like a lamb. The lion is the symbol for the tribe of Judah from which Christ came. He is referred to as the Lion of Judah. He is also referred to the Lamb of God.
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Then I saw in the right hand of him who sat on the throne a scroll with writing on both sides and sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming in a loud voice, “Who is worthy to break the seals and open the scroll?” But no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth could open the scroll or even look inside it. I wept and wept because no one was found who was worthy to open the scroll or look inside. Then one of the elders said to me, “Do not weep! See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has triumphed. He is able to open the scroll and its seven seals.”
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. He went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who sat on the throne. And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
and with your blood you purchased for God
persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
and they will reign on the earth.”
Then I looked and heard the voice of many angels, numbering thousands upon thousands, and ten thousand times ten thousand. They encircled the throne and the living creatures and the elders. In a loud voice they were saying:
“Worthy is the Lamb, who was slain,
to receive power and wealth and wisdom and strength
and honor and glory and praise!”
Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, saying:
“To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb
be praise and honor and glory and power,
for ever and ever!”
The four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 08 2011,2:36 am
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Funny you should use a lion for an avatar and BAAA like a lamb. The lion is the symbol for the tribe of Judah from which Christ came. He is referred to as the Lion of Judah. He is also referred to the Lamb of God.
WOW did you not only just massively miss the mark on that one, but also proved clearly how religious FOLLOWERS misinterpret and manipulate what is written to suit their needs!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2011,7:04 am
(White Pride @ Sep. 08 2011,2:36 am)
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Funny you should use a lion for an avatar and BAAA like a lamb. The lion is the symbol for the tribe of Judah from which Christ came. He is referred to as the Lion of Judah. He is also referred to the Lamb of God.
WOW did you not only just massively miss the mark on that one, but also proved clearly how religious FOLLOWERS misinterpret and manipulate what is written to suit their needs!
I'm sorry for you. Not only am I right on the mark, I gave the verses to back my post. Jesus died for us as a sacrificial lamb, but when He returns, He will return as a lion. The Lion of Judah who will take with Him those who believe and condemn for all eternity those whose names are not in the book of life.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 08 2011,8:49 am
Maddog, what if you have been misled? Jesus questioned authority. What do you think Jesus would have thought about the early churches? The crusades? Killing people who disagreed with religious doctrine? The church used to teach that the sun revolved around the earth, and put to death people who disagreed with them. That's just one of the many things they did that I am pretty sure Jesus would disagree with. What do you think Jesus would think about the big expensive fancy churches built in "his honor"? I don't think Jesus would mind if people questioned things. He taught people to think outside the box all the time. Just because the book says it is true, doesn't mean it is. I honestly think christians owe it to Jesus and God, to think more for themselves, and question the book and dogma. I doubt anyone will be condemned for taking a look at it all a bit differently.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 08 2011,3:53 pm
Maddog,I chose the lion because I am a LEO, but if you want to go all religious about it, perhaps I am JESUS after all! I spouted off the "BAAAA" in reference to you SHEEPLE, blindly led and brainwashed over religion. I don't care what your book tells you about it. More has been debunked in that book than confirmed.
You can pray for me all you want, feel sorry for me all you want, and try to preach to me all you want. All you will do is end up wasting your time, your emotions, and reinforcing my disbelief in the dogma.
I am a free-thinker!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 08 2011,4:35 pm
(White Pride @ Sep. 08 2011,3:53 pm)
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I am a free-thinker!
God gave you that choice.
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 08 2011,4:46 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 07 2011,3:14 pm)
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(Zzz @ Sep. 07 2011,1:25 pm)
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Unfortunately one does not have to believe in hell to enter in, the only requirement for that is to NOT believe in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
That whole bit doesn't sound very loving OR understanding. What if the one person you loved most in the world, either a child or partner, started thinking christianity might not be right, and decided to become atheist or a different religion? Since YOU are christian, you go to heaven, but your loved one goes to hell to be tormented forever and ever?? If you knew your loved one was going to be in everlasting misery that wouldn't bother you? You would still be in "heaven"? I can never get an honest answer on this question.
you wouldnt know it. /// King James Bible
And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 09 2011,1:52 am
(MADDOG @ Sep. 08 2011,4:35 pm)
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(White Pride @ Sep. 08 2011,3:53 pm)
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I am a free-thinker!
God gave you that choice.
Now if only you would care to remember that!
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 09 2011,10:58 am
I understand. Here's a little story for you."There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”
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"If serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”-Joshua 24:15
Posted by the breeze on Sep. 10 2011,9:49 am
(MADDOG @ Sep. 09 2011,10:58 am)
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I understand. Here's a little story for you.
"There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”
"There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce. The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third. Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them. But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?” They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”
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"If serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD.”-Joshua 24:15
amen.
Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 10 2011,10:11 am
Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.- Matthew 5:9
All you need is love.
- John Lennon
And so on.
- Kurt Vonnegut
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 11 2011,1:07 am
"Your higher power may be God or Jesus Christ, it doesn't really matter much to me. Without each others help there ain't no hope for us...If only we could all just find serenity, it would be nice if we could live as one. When will all this anger hate and bigotry be gone?"--Ozzy 
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 11 2011,12:27 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 11 2011,1:07 am)
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"Your higher power may be God or Jesus Christ, it doesn't really matter much to me. Without each others help there ain't no hope for us...If only we could all just find serenity, it would be nice if we could live as one. When will all this anger hate and bigotry be gone?"--Ozzy
Without Gods help there aint no hope for us
Counting on us (mere humans) is quite narcissistic! We need more than a dominant interest in ourselves to be
effective at finding that serenity
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 11 2011,1:56 pm
Tell me, why is it only HUMANS that choose to make up a god? Why don't we see animals, ANY animals, congregating for prayer? On that note, humans have to rely on each other. Belief that something of higher power (god) is in total control of our lives makes us idle. Why should we bother to better ourselves, as humans have done for centuries, if something else is in total control? Why not just sit idle by and let it happen? Because it doesn't work, that's why!
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Sep. 11 2011,8:24 pm
(Santorini @ Sep. 11 2011,12:27 pm)
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Without Gods help there aint no hope for us
Counting on us (mere humans) is quite narcissistic! We need more than a dominant interest in ourselves to be
effective at finding that serenity
Counting on us (mere humans) is quite narcissistic! We need more than a dominant interest in ourselves to be
effective at finding that serenity
I think you may have misinterpreted the song lyrics. He is saying that it shouldn't matter if one believes in God or Jesus or anything. We should be able to live together peacefully and make the world a better place, no matter what our belief. Fighting over whose religion is the right one is pretty much insane. Ozzy didn't say that last part...I did. You can believe whatever you want, I can believe whatever I want, we should be able to get along and try to fix other problems in the world. Leave other peoples' souls to God.
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 11 2011,9:43 pm
(White Pride @ Sep. 11 2011,1:56 pm)
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Tell me, why is it only HUMANS that choose to make up a god? Why don't we see animals, ANY animals, congregating for prayer?
On that note, humans have to rely on each other. Belief that something of higher power (god) is in total control of our lives makes us idle. Why should we bother to better ourselves, as humans have done for centuries, if something else is in total control? Why not just sit idle by and let it happen? Because it doesn't work, that's why!
On that note, humans have to rely on each other. Belief that something of higher power (god) is in total control of our lives makes us idle. Why should we bother to better ourselves, as humans have done for centuries, if something else is in total control? Why not just sit idle by and let it happen? Because it doesn't work, that's why!
Think about it...
You said [...it doesnt work, thats why!]
IF that is the case then why are our many of our CURRENT laws based on Gods Commandments?
Thou Shall Not KILL
Thou Shall Not Steal
Thou Shall Not Covet thy neighbors goods
Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness against they neighbor
Breaking these are prosecutable crimes according to todays standards...
These laws are based on moral precepts...
and it IS working...they are still laws...right?
Posted by Santorini on Sep. 11 2011,9:54 pm
(Rosalind_Swenson @ Sep. 11 2011,8:24 pm)
QUOTE
(Santorini @ Sep. 11 2011,12:27 pm)
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Without Gods help there aint no hope for us
Counting on us (mere humans) is quite narcissistic! We need more than a dominant interest in ourselves to be
effective at finding that serenity
Counting on us (mere humans) is quite narcissistic! We need more than a dominant interest in ourselves to be
effective at finding that serenity
I think you may have misinterpreted the song lyrics. He is saying that it shouldn't matter if one believes in God or Jesus or anything. We should be able to live together peacefully and make the world a better place, no matter what our belief. Fighting over whose religion is the right one is pretty much insane. Ozzy didn't say that last part...I did. You can believe whatever you want, I can believe whatever I want, we should be able to get along and try to fix other problems in the world. Leave other peoples' souls to God.
Rosalind,
Just making the moral decision to [live together peacefully and make the world a better place] is what it is all about! That IS Gods Plan! You get it
Posted by White Pride on Sep. 12 2011,2:16 am
(Santorini @ Sep. 11 2011,9:43 pm)
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Think about it...
You said [...it doesnt work, thats why!]
IF that is the case then why are our many of our CURRENT laws based on Gods Commandments?
Thou Shall Not KILL
Thou Shall Not Steal
Thou Shall Not Covet thy neighbors goods
Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness against they neighbor
Breaking these are prosecutable crimes according to todays standards...
These laws are based on moral precepts...
and it IS working...they are still laws...right?
You said [...it doesnt work, thats why!]
IF that is the case then why are our many of our CURRENT laws based on Gods Commandments?
Thou Shall Not KILL
Thou Shall Not Steal
Thou Shall Not Covet thy neighbors goods
Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness against they neighbor
Breaking these are prosecutable crimes according to todays standards...
These laws are based on moral precepts...
and it IS working...they are still laws...right?
Our laws are based on MAN's moral values, just as the commandments. Don't forget for a second that these commandments were WRITTEN BY MAN in the "name" of "god."
If the bible was ever subjected to the criminal justice system, it would be guilty of every sin (law) there is on the subject! It's "proof" would be inadmissible evidence, and it's "facts" would be perjury!
Put that in your pipe and smoke it!