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MADDOG 
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Posted on: Mar. 16 2005,10:09 pm |
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drive the county roads, when say the fog is so bad, you can't see 10 feet in front of you. Want that rumble now?
God I wish there was a smilie pissin' on someone's leg. Damn!
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danbelshan
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Posted on: Mar. 16 2005,10:12 pm |
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I just found the actual video of the meeting posted under another topic. Dang--I could have saved a lot of typing! Thanks, Liberal for showing government in action.
http://forum.albertlea.com/forum/rumblestrips.wmv
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Replicant
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Posted on: Mar. 16 2005,10:28 pm |
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Thanks for elaborating Dan.
For the record, I have no problem with the approach of using rumble strips at problem intersections. So why has this come down to an "all or nothing" situation? It seems to me that "all" is overkill and so my choice is nothing.
Some other thoughts...
The MNDot Study did not study "sleep deprived, under the influence of alcohol, or driving in poor conditions." Neither did the U of M study cover sleep deprived or inattentive..."This would be the condition when rumble strips are likely to be more useful." Makes sense I guess, but how do they know if it hasn't been studied yet?
The AAA says "Install larger 30 inch stop signs as well as roadway lines or rumble strips." Lines OR strips.
You note that neither Rochestor or Mankato districts use them everywhere. The defensive driving instructor (Dewey Severson?) says on a case by case basis.
So it leaves me wondering why we got to all or nothing. Case by case makes more sense, especially if it can be demonstated that rumble strips are as effective for impaired/inattentive drivers, and/or no more expensive than painted lines or extra signage. I'm all for common sense. But I don't expect government to put rumble strips, stop signs or traffic lights at every intersection just because an accident MAY occur there, or one accident did occur there last year and another one 20 years ago.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Mar. 16 2005,10:58 pm |
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Where was the County Attorney's opinion on this issue?
Or did I miss it?
Someone enlighten me, please.
Sue is not an attorney...but an engineer.
MM
PS---having a Board Policy is better than not having one...
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 16 2005,11:22 pm |
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| Quote | | Case by case makes more sense |
That's what we're asking for. A case by case rumble strip. We don't need one every where.
But let's look at potetitial lives, here.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,9:00 am |
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Sue brings up ONE guy that supports removing them--based on the "sky-is-falling" premise that "we could get sued". Belshan disproves her information--offers 4 opinions from AAA, MNDOT, and others. The final "stake through the heart of this un-dead vampire" of a proposal that never dies should have been | Quote | | I checked with our County insurance--no county brought into litigation had lost the case because of rumble strips as of the date I inquired. |
But no, the 3 Bobble-heads nodded in agreement--as the video clip shows, they had already made up their mind--couldn't be bothered with facts. 
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,1:29 pm |
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Well hey there Montyman;
maybe it was when you were out with Behrends and Hank Kimbal getting coffee.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,2:21 pm |
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| Quote | maybe it was when you were out with Behrends and Hank Kimbal getting coffee.
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Posted on: Mar. 18 2005,10:18 pm |
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A 2-lane section of 371 south of Brainerd has new rumble strips next to the center line and just over the white fog line on the shoulder; your teeth will rattle out of your mouth if your tires touch them; curious why they were installed? Drifting drivers coming off a 4-lane? Sleepy drivers in this stretch? An experiement for future consideration on other highways stretches?
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jul. 24 2007,4:16 pm |
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I see Mr. Road Authority is giving us his opinion on our county roads again.
| Quote | Editorial: Rumble strips don’t help
An advantage of transverse rumble strips — the kind that cross over the lane you are driving in — is they provide auditory and vibratory stimuli for drivers.
But they don’t make people stop.
In fact, some drivers are puzzled at their purpose because some states use them for construction zones, shoulders of pavement or purposes other than stopping. Rumbles also cause a rough ride for two-wheel travelers.
Here is what research shows: They don’t work — no bones about it. People who don’t want to stop at rural stops signs don’t stop. They rumble over the rumble strips and keep going through the intersection.
What does work is greater signage, which in turn makes the intersection seem — strange as it sounds — more important.
Plus, if you live next to rumbles, they are annoying.
The Freeborn County Board of Commissioners voted a few years ago to phase out all the rumbles. We agree. Let’s save our tax dollars for proven methods. the expert editor
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Surely he is as much an expert on these as our county engineer, who herself has not been able to provide me with proof of studies that they absolutely do not work.
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