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The Rocket 
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2004,9:32 pm |
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The impression i got from reading the minutes is that Ms Miller is not against rumble strips but wants the board to decide on a policy on where to put them ie: all blacktops intersecting blacktops with stop signs. What she states is that there is no clear study showing wether they are effective or not so her recommendation is all or none at this point. The board is the governing body that has to decide policy and of course where will it be funded. One more thing if Belshan wants it guess what the vote will be.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Jul. 05 2004,11:43 pm |
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The Board began discussion of in-lane rumble strips. Highway Engineer Sue Miller stated that rumble strips were not considered a standard traffic control device. Ms. Miller has attended seminars in which it was strongly recommended not to use in lane rumble strips as a means of traffic control and uniformity is recommended to avoid potential litigation. Larger stop signs and stop ahead signs are recommended.
Commissioner Mullenbach offered the following motion:
MOVED, to accept Highway Engineer Sue Miller’s opinion not to install in-lane rumble strips. Motion seconded by Commissioner Springborg. Discussion was tabled, to be continued after the Shell Rock River Watershed update.
Commissioner Minutes 9-13-03
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I don't know what minutes you've read, but, I was at the meeting when this was discussed and she wanted to remove all in-lane rumble strips in the county. She claimed it was a liabilty issue and that if we had them at one intersection we had to have them at all. (using that logic if we had a yield sign at one intersection then we would have to have them at all)
I don't know where she came up with that crazy liabilty issue either. I'd love to see some proof of that.
After that accident happened she was asked why they weren't in yet and that's when she started up with the, "we need to have a policy in place." Belshan then made a motion that the County Engineer replace all rumble strips she's removed during her reign" and of course that vote failed.
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cpu_slave
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,3:51 pm |
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For anyone here who does not know exactly what a rumble strip is: It is simply a group of notches cut into the pavement- not some *magical* part of the road that must be imported from the far east. What I can't understand is where is the cost to put these in? A saw and a couple of hours? How much money is actually saved by not putting them in?
And as far as the 'all or none'- get real! Using that logic, I would expect to see stop signs at EVERY intersection in the county, including the city. So why are there all those uncontrolled intersections out there if we have this 'all or none' mentality? Someone needs to slap some common sense into that engineer...
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Montyman
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,6:21 pm |
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I believe that 'all or none' means that rumble strips would be placed at 'all' intersections with STOP signs, or at 'none'...no place.
Traffic signage is not the same issue as rumble strips. Period.
I don't think that rumble strips have never really been an accepted standard, have they?
Signs have standard applications...driven by State and Federal POLICY (yes, policy). Unfortunately, policies ARE needed, and Miller is correct in stating so.
People still disobey signs too and 'run' intersections anyway, don't they?
There were stoplights out by home depot where the biker got mashed. Were there any non-standard traffic control devices? Were there any rumble strips?
Perhaps 'common sense' also means thinking before lashing out?
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,6:52 pm |
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I believe that 'all or none' means that rumble strips would be placed at 'all' intersections with STOP signs, or at 'none'...no place.
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Why would you put a in-lane rumble strip anywhere but an intersection with a stop sign?
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Traffic signage is not the same issue as rumble strips. Period.
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Who said they were?
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I don't think that rumble strips have never really been an accepted standard, have they?
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I've got no idea what that means, otherwise I'd try to answer it.
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Signs have standard applications...driven by State and Federal POLICY (yes, policy). Unfortunately, policies ARE needed, and Miller is correct in stating so.
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It's not like they were never there, she didn't cut them back in after road resurfacing. She knew where they were she didn't need a policy. In fact she handed out a map with every rumble strip she had taken out marked in blue. She could have followed the map.
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People still disobey signs too and 'run' intersections anyway, don't they?
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Traffic signage is not the same issue as rumble strips. Period.
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There were stoplights out by home depot where the biker got mashed. Were there any non-standard traffic control devices? Were there any rumble strips?
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Well, maybe if there were rumble strips out there things might not have turned out the way they did.
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Perhaps 'common sense' also means thinking before lashing out?
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Perhaps, it doesn't.
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danbelshan
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,6:53 pm |
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Talking with other counties I've been told the installation cost with a private firm is aprox $300 per intersection however I don't have that in writing.
I also emailed our County insurance company and they emailed that there they have defended successfully libility cases and what they want in place if we put them in certain areas is accident history, approach,and other valid safety reasons to insure our defense if sued.
No mention of all or none policy that is being touted.
In driving thoughout the state on state highways certain districts put more in than others. i.e. Rochester will put them in as a last resort only in certain high crash areas after all other safety devices have been used but the Mankato district DOT uses them more often.
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Montyman
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,9:18 pm |
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wow liberal!
good post!
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Jul. 09 2004,10:20 pm |
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Well let's just start calling spades spades here.
I think the real problem is the fact that just about everything (just about I said) that is done in this county is basically half-@ssed at best.
I am guessing everyone will want examples, so here are a few just off the top of my head:
The road by Wal-Mart
The signage that was up when the road was closed by Wal-Mart
The Albert Lea Tribune's previous editor's editing (he talked to a fictional person that 'lived' in the basement of the Trib to provide filler for the paper for crying out loud!)
Not putting rumble strips back in the road after resurfacing the road (when they were already there to begin with, obviously they just might have been there for a reason.)
The County Board's job review for Gabe (County Admin.)
The 'investigation' of an officer inappropriately touching a minor that resided with him
The pay to piss idea
The new 140 bed jail (that didn't get finished on time)
Cutting environmental services budget and made sure the state made us a watershed district
Ex-editor getting us on Jay Leno with the headline "sheriff says bars on windows will prevent further escapes"
County Atty sued the County for a raise and they gave him more than they had to per the judgment
Rule 19
Rule 19
El Rule 19
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etc...
So maybe a majority of this County's problem does not lie in our policy's so much as the people that are responsible for creating and enforcing them?
Time for more than a change, time for an all out mutiny? Let's at least try to get our county back.
Oh, and I'm for getting not only the rumble strips REPLACED that were covered, but also getting them on more intersections of county roads and highways.
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Posted on: Jul. 10 2004,10:13 am |
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| Quote (Ole1kanobe @ July 09 2004,10:20:pm) | | The 'investigation' of an officer inappropriately touching a minor that resided with him |
I never heard of this, can you elaborate on what happened?
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Ole1kanobe
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Posted on: Jul. 10 2004,10:54 pm |
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The name Farris ring a bell?
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