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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:01 am |
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I can see it now, people who smoke will be trying to have a few drags outside during work or between drinks at the watering hole. All ducked down trying to hide it from the smoke police, (the guys with smokalizers and a tape measure).
Brings me back to hiding cigarettes from them when the smoking age went to 18. I have since cut down on smoking, I only puff with booze.
All in all I hope that establishments whose customers a mainly smokers will be able to continue to do business and make a living. If a business lost sales so bad that they had to close the doors, who would be at fault?
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:01 am |
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Almost a 1000 dollars a year for a licensing fee for a bar to stay open till 2 am. Since Eddies has been license to be open till 2 am business has doubled. Increasing sales tax revenue. The Smokefree bandwagon say that there will be new customers to take the place of the dislocated smokers. I think not. Bars will close. Liquor store sells will improve smokers will gather in private homes after work having a couple drinks with their smokes unwinding from the daily grind. Mower county is not that far away, Northwood isn't either. Not only will it take revenue from Albert Lea it will take revenue away from the state.
A study showed that cigerette sales are down, it doesn't mean that there are less smokers it means smokers having been restricted to the availability of places and times to smoke. At work 8 hours a day a smoker has two 15 min break and a half hour lunch in which to get the Nic Fix.
Many business will have to redesignate new smoking areas.
Edited by GEOKARJO on Mar. 10 2005,11:09 am
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:04 am |
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| Quote | | People will have a chance to ask questions about the ordinance, but it won't be like a public hearing where people voice their opinions in support or opposition of the ordinance. |
I noticed that too
| Quote | | Or do you think it's because most people know this isn't going to happen since the only supporter left on the board is Mullenbach? |
So after it is written and sent to the board they will shoot 'er down?
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:16 am |
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| Quote | People in charge of work places are required to post "no smoking" signs, ensure that ashtrays, lighters and matchbooks are not provided where smoking is prohibited, and ask any person who smokes in the vicinity to stop or leave the area.
Enforcement of the ordinance will be followed by the city and county law enforcement agencies or others designated by the county. Penalties are set at $100 initially and $300 for a repeat violation within one year for a single person. Fines will also be enforced for property owners, ranging from $100 for a first offense to termination of a food or liquor license for a fifth offense. |
Now this makes the sale of lighters and matches illeagal in the county.
This also is asking the owner of an establishment to be a cop and enforce the law.
So if I am standing outside the Music store smoking and the sales clerk doesn't come out and tell me to move on he will be sited and the owner.
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:24 am |
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A couple times a week a group composed of an attorney, doctor and business owers step into the bar with their wives to socialize and the men like to light up a cigar. The men do not smoke cigarettes but enjoy a cigar with their drink. That is one example of business lost.
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:33 am |
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| Quote | "I used to smoke two packs a day, but haven't for the last 30 years," said Levorson.
It's a trend they've been seeing in the community as well.
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Well then, the L.J. "Cap" Emmons Auditorium is saved then, isn't it? Get CEA on the phone right now. With all this healthy thinking going on, we sure don't need a hospital expansion now, do we?
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,11:50 am |
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I just measured the distance of 15 feet from my door. 15 feet extends into the right turning lane of the street. That means a passenger could not smoke in a car waiting to turn at the stoplight. Since I have to enforce it. I will call in every license number of every car with a smoker in the passenger seat.
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,4:46 pm |
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Press Conference Tonight
March 10, 2005
7:00 PM
Plaintiffs Bloomington VFW, Bloomington Legion, Bloomington Eagles, Bloomington Knights of Columbus, Lyon's Pub and Stub and Herb's today Filed a Complaint suing the City of Minneapolis, City of Bloomington, and County of Hennepin.
Plaintiffs request the Hennepin County District Court issue a temporary restraining order enjoining the Defendants from enforcing their local smoking bans, which are scheduled to take effect March 31.
A Judge will hear arguments regarding the temporary injunction on Friday, March 11, at noon.
The Plaintiffs and their attorney will address the press this evening at the following address:
VFW POST #1296
311 West 84th Street
Bloomington, MN
7:00 p.m.
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,4:49 pm |
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Issue #319 is now online: http://www.smokersclubinc.com
1. Economic Losses Due To Smoking Bans
2. Call For Passive Smoke Harm Proof
3. School-based smoking prevention programs ineffective
4. Smoking Benefits
5. MN and MI say NO
6. Industry
7. Big Pharmaceutical
8. We Are Everyday People
9. From The Mailbag
Your local ban news, editorials, world news. Smoking Pill, I Am
Polluted, CA now in your bedroom and litter box, CT fights, MO
fights, RI retreats, VT reverses, and a lot more!
Best wishes,
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Check the Events page for a Smoker's Rights Night near you.
Write for information on how to host one.
http://www.smokersclubinc.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=58
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,4:51 pm |
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SAINT PAUL, MN - Libertarian Party of Minnesota 2005 Convention Happens
April 9
The Libertarian Party of Minnesota 2005 Convention will take place
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This “Pro-Freedom Event of the Year” will feature over a dozen of top
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