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Paul Harvey 
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Posted on: Nov. 19 2004,11:13 pm |
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If pot were legal I'd certainly understand why folks wouldn't want me stinking up the place. It's just common courtesy to smoke where it doesn't affect other people.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Nov. 20 2004,10:17 am |
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Common courtesy my ass
No1. You sneak out back cause you don't want to share
no2. Since it has always been illeagal it is just a natural habit to hide when you do it. kind of like when you where 2 and messed your pants. 
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Paul Harvey
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Posted on: Nov. 20 2004,11:25 am |
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3. Since it(cigs) has always been leagal it is just a natural habit to effect others indoors when you do it.
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ICU812
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Posted on: Nov. 22 2004,1:03 pm |
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| Quote | Supporters of statewide smoking ban see reason to hope
Updated: 11-22-2004 09:49:25 AM
ST. PAUL (AP) - Three decades after Minnesota became the first state to restrict smoking in public buildings, key political leaders are eyeing a much wider ban.
Seven Minnesota cities and four counties have passed restaurant smoking bans since 2000, and some have banned smoking in bars and workplaces as well, but connecting the dots statewide has been a tough sell at the Capitol.
That could change now, given the big Democratic gains in the House and a governor friendly to the cause.
Governor Pawlenty says he'll sign a smoking ban if it reaches his desk.
Any legislation is certain to be strongly opposed by the hospitality industry, which argues that such a ban would damage many mom-and-pop bars and restaurants. |
Wont be long now.
I didnt realize how many states had smoking bans already
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| Post Number: 45
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 09 2005,5:22 pm |
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Did anyone go to the Smoke Free Coalition meeting today? I know we'll hear about it in the paper and on the news, but I'd like to know the "real" scoop.
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ICU812
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,10:34 am |
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| Quote (MADDOG @ Mar. 09 2005,5:22,pm) | | Did anyone go to the Smoke Free Coalition meeting today? I know we'll hear about it in the paper and on the news, but I'd like to know the "real" scoop. |
From Todays Bune.
| Quote | Smoke free draft 'well-designed'
By Ann Austin, Tribune staff writer
As much as it was anticipated, the introduction of a draft ordinance for smoke free workplaces in Freeborn County was received by few community members yesterday. But reactions from people who did show up, about 11 total for two meetings, were positive.
Both J.C. Scrutchfield and Jerry Levorson, residents of Freeborn County, attended the 7 p.m. meeting and found the ordinance to be well-designed. "I don't see anything wrong with it myself," Scrutchfield said. "I was for it four years ago."
Scrutchfield, who used to smoke, has suffered from asthma for many years, making it hard for him to remain in smoky areas.
Though Levorson had questions about how penalties will be issued and possible repercussions for business owners, he also felt the ordinance was done well. He was glad it covers service clubs since he and Scrutchfield are members of a local service club, but don't like to visit since it can be so smoky.
"I used to smoke two packs a day, but haven't for the last 30 years," said Levorson.
It's a trend they've been seeing in the community as well.
"There's a lot more people that are nonsmokers than smokers these days," said Scrutchfield. From what they've found talking to people they know, the men estimate public reaction will be much like what the Freeborn County Smoke Free Workplace Coalition has found from their surveys, about a 70 percent smoke free approval rating.
The ordinance took quite a while to complete. Action began about a year ago and the ordinance has developed slowly, with assistance from several legal offices including the Tobacco Project and the Freeborn County Attorney's Office.
The draft describes dangers of secondhand smoke and issues with secondhand smoke in workplaces.
Phil Bartusek, co-chair of the coalition, spoke during the presentation.
"People should have the freedom to enter a public place without having to encounter the effects of secondhand smoke," he said.
"The ordinance does not prohibit smoking," he said.
But it does detail that smoking is prohibited in public places and places of work and within 15 feet of entrances, exits, windows, and so on.
Several areas are not included in prohibition, including privately rented hotel rooms and residences, motor vehicles and outdoor spaces.
People in charge of work places are required to post "no smoking" signs, ensure that ashtrays, lighters and matchbooks are not provided where smoking is prohibited, and ask any person who smokes in the vicinity to stop or leave the area.
Enforcement of the ordinance will be followed by the city and county law enforcement agencies or others designated by the county. Penalties are set at $100 initially and $300 for a repeat violation within one year for a single person. Fines will also be enforced for property owners, ranging from $100 for a first offense to termination of a food or liquor license for a fifth offense.
At the meeting, County Administrator Ron Gabrielsen said he would ask commissioners to put the issue on their agenda and hold a public hearing to decide if they should approve the ordinance.
"They're going to weigh the facts. If there is something you disagree with, now is the time (to state concerns)," he said.
"The key is to get this out into the public so they know what the hearing will be on."
Similar ordinances have been passed in Ramsey and Hennepin Counties and will go into effect later in March. Commissioners may consider how the other communities respond to such ordinances before they decide whether to adopt Freeborn County's.
He expects the hearing will be held sometime in the middle of April, so people have time to look over the ordinance.
"Where we all benefit is if we do it right, if we take everyone's concerns in," Gabrielsen said. |
I would have to say that if only 11 people attended that the majority of people feel a smoking ban is a good thing.
Anyone see different?
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,10:40 am |
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| Quote | | But it does detail that smoking is prohibited in public places and places of work and within 15 feet of entrances, exits, windows, and so on. |
With this wording you could not even have a smoking deck attached to the back of the bar or allow smoking on public sidewalk uptown.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,10:49 am |
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This was in the Tribune yesterday, do you think this is why nobody showed? Or do you think it's because most people know this isn't going to happen since the only supporter left on the board is Mullenbach?
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People will have a chance to ask questions about the ordinance, but it won't be like a public hearing where people voice their opinions in support or opposition of the ordinance.
Along with Severtson and Bartusek, other members of the coalition will be present including ALMC Director of Community Relations and Marketing Patti Hareid, Dr. Jim Burns, and Public Health Director Lois Ahern. A representative from the Minnesota Department of Health and someone from the Tobacco Law Project may also be present.
The information session is the final step in a process to gather information from the public and create an ordinance for Freeborn County. Coalition members are hoping the draft ordinance will be presented to the county board at an upcoming meeting and the commissioners will call for a hearing.
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If you can't offer your opinion then why would they say that this is the final step in gathering information from the public?
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,10:51 am |
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Looking around outside my store I would have to walk down to Dane Park or stand in the center of the back parking lot to be in compliance with the ordinance.
If this ordinance passes the police will have to enforce it. Therefore hiring more officers to make random checks of establishments and sidewalks to catch violators.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2005,10:56 am |
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I have no problem going into a place to eat and not have a cig, but if you ban them from bars in this town, you will kill business.
Trust me, I know; and I don't even frequent them.
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