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Another Ban Failed: MO Maryland Heights says NO
Maryland Heights Council opposes proposal to ban smoking
Posted by samantha on Sunday, March 06 @ 07:13:23 EST
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Another Ban Failed: MN Smoking Ban Falls In House Committee
State update... no ban!
Posted by samantha on Thursday, March 03 @ 11:31:39 EST
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Another Ban Failed: IN State Ban Gutted
State bill to ban smoking gutted by its sponsor
Posted by samantha on Tuesday, March 01 @ 11:42:21 EST
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Another Ban Failed: MT exempts bars and casinos
Lawmakers exempt bars, casinos from smoking bans for second time
Posted by samantha on Wednesday, February 23 @ 07:23:19 EST
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Another Ban Failed: Paris says NO to ban
Paris cigarette ban goes up in smoke
Posted by samantha on Monday, February 21 @ 10:43:40 EST
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Another Ban Failed: ND House defeats anti-smoking measure
House guts, then defeats anti-smoking measure
Posted by samantha on Saturday, February 19 @ 10:16:26 EST
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Another Ban Failed: WA King County NO MORE BAN
State high court: Local boards can't ban smoking
Posted by samantha on Sunday, February 13 @ 09:27:20 EST
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Another Ban Failed: NC Greenville Says No
Greenville not looking to follow smoking ban
Posted by samantha on Sunday, January 30 @ 12:08:41 EST
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Another Ban Failed: Ban Reversed
SMOKING BAN TO BE REVERSED
Posted by samantha on Sunday, January 30 @ 08:38:30 EST
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Another Ban Failed: SD House Rejects Ban
House rejects smoking ban
Posted by samantha on Thursday, January 27 @ 11:18:42 EST
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read more on these bans that failed
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Another Ban Failed: MN Smoking Ban Falls In House Committee
State update... no ban!
Posted by samantha on Thursday, March 03 @ 11:31:39 EST
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News: MN Shame On You!
The Antis get money to tell us how the ban is working out. Why isn't someone doing this that doesn't care about the outcome?!
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Tax: MN Tax Alert
Cigarette tax passes house committee
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Ventilation: ETS 150 times lower
Anonymous writes "
New test results show ETS 150 times lower than OSHA TLV on nicotine
See the facts and complete story here.
http://www.fightcityhall.net/_wsn/page2.html
Mark Wernimont
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Posted by samantha on Monday, February 21 @ 13:44:38 EST
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News: MN Castration Proposed
Chemical castration proposed
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Privacy Issues: MN Cigarettes And Welfare
Cutting cigarettes from welfare a silly proposal
Posted by samantha on Thursday, February 17 @ 15:55:23 EST
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Tobacco Industry: MN Ban Flavored Cigarettes?
Minn. Governor Seeks Candy Flavored Cigarette Ban
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Smoking: Second Hand Freedom
The "Freedom to Breathe Act" is a bad law based on bad science and second hand smoke will never be as dangerous as second hand freedom.
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People Ban: MN Meeker County
Meeker County Update
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News: MN Personal Liberty
Smoking ban debate is about personal liberty
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/minnesotasmokers/
Minnesota Smokers is a public group for people in MN to discuss the smoking ban issue.
If you are a smoker or non-smoker... welcome!!! Please start talking about the smoking ban situation in MN and others will join in. We are against bans, so if you are for them and want to post, please go somewhere else.
If you are an anti-smoker and just here to lurk to see what you can learn... welcome!!! Sit back and lurk, we hope you get more information then you wanted and maybe realize that there really are two sides to this issue. Tobacco is a legal product. We are free citizens. If you want to take our freedom away, we hope someone bigger and meaner comes along and takes some freedom from you that you do care about.
A few general rules for every successful group:
1. Post a real post. If you just send an advertisement and no real post, this list will become "moderated" overnight and every post will have to be approved by the owner before going to the list. We all get enough spam as it is, we don't want it going out to the list.
2. Understand that when you have your say, others will also. Don't try to tick off people. Don't get ticked off when they don't agree with you. Respect each others view and move on. People who just want to fight will be removed from the membership. You can always start your own Yahoo group for people who want to get into fights.
3. If the group gets active and you are getting too much mail, click on the "Edit My Membership" link above and change to "Digest" version. Then you will only get one email a day from the group with all the day's posts in it. It's easy to scroll down and skim without opening each message.
4. If you like to write, please answer a lot of posts in one reply. You can answer 10 posts in one and it helps to cut down the amount of mail generated to the list. Thanks.
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Ban Damage:
Deaths, Injuries, Rape, and more!
How many people have to die or be hurt before the Antis realize that smoking bans are a bad idea, and dangerous to people? There are thousands of other victims with injuries from smoking bans that never reach the media.
What is the exact "body count" the Antis are waiting for? Would they please apologize to these people, and the grieving families for putting their lives and their loved ones into harms way? Would you like to explain to a child whose Mommy or Daddy will not be coming home that you don't like the smell of smoke? Tell someone that their spouse or child is dead because you didn't want people to do something legal in a place you never go to anyway?
If the Antis don't like to be around smoke, they should use their freedom of choice to not enter a building where the owner has decided to allow it. They should not be allowed to push their will on others at the expense of human life.
New York: A bouncer at a Manhattan nightclub died after he was stabbed in a brawl that police said began when he tried to enforce the city's new ban on smoking in bars and restaurants. Dana Blake, 32, died about 11 hours after the late-night fight in an East Village nightclub.
New York: Sherwin Henry, 23, who was re-selling cigarettes bought in bulk from a Long Island Indian reservation, was fatally shot in the head on the rooftop of an East New York, Brooklyn, apartment building on Nov. 19.
Florida: Boy, Shane Michael Farrell, 13, dies in beating on street. The 15-year-old boy was being held at the Department of Juvenile Justice in Daytona Beach on a second-degree murder charge. Authorities could not say if he would be tried as an adult.
Utah: A teenager was murdered for smoking in downtown Salt Lake City. Hard-core members of Straight Edge have a terroristic bent that make them potentially more lethal than traditional street gangs, police say.
Africa: Baby sister killed in brothers' anti smoking crossfire. 3 Year Old Girl Dies In Smoking Ban War. The girl was shot in the head while her brothers argued about smokers rights.
Colorado: Courtney Chinn, 25, of Colorado Springs was shot and killed in an area near the Anchor Lounge where smokers congregate on September 20, 2003. The crime remains unsolved. Calantino said he believes the problem of crime outside of bars where smokers gather will persist.
Ohio: Man Beaten To Death For Not Giving Up Cigarette. Ricardo Leon, 23, died after being beaten outside Partners Pub on Dennison Avenue on Cleveland’s west side.
Canada: The Tragedy of Kenny Kim. Kenny Kim was killed. Ten days ago, as he was closing the shop on a Friday night, an attacker stabbed him several times in the stomach and left him on the floor, where he died in a pool of blood. "A cigarette is like a piece of gold."
Canada: Stabbed bartender dies. Forty-nine-year-old Jayantha Peiris died at Sunnybrook Hospital of stab wounds after a dispute with three young patrons.
Africa: Man Gunned Down. A drinker has taken offence to a fellow drinker lighting up a cigarette in a pub and went to extreme measures to stop him - he shot the smoker in the head, killing him.
UK: 'Devil' man killed wife and two sons over her smoking. John Jarvis, 42, stabbed his wife Patricia in the heart and then murdered their sons, John, 11, and Stuart, eight, so they could join her. More.
Massachusetts: Smoking Student Killed. A 20-year-old Mattapoisett man died from head and internal injuries after falling from a balcony at a party in Mission Hill.
UK: A female backpacker fell 100 feet to her death from the roof of a hostel early yesterday. The 20-year-old Canadian plunged six storeys into a lane at around 3am. One theory is that she climbed on to the flat roof of the no-smoking Edinburgh Backpackers hostel for a cigarette. The girl was taken to Edinburgh Royal Infirmary with head and body injuries and declared dead on arrival. (6/8/04)
UK: Boy smoker hanged himself. A 12-year-old boy hanged himself with his school tie rather than admit to his parents that he had been caught smoking, an inquest heard yesterday. David Arnett received a "severe ticking off" from his form tutor at Cavendish School in Eastbourne, East Sussex, who smelled smoke and found a packet of cigarettes. She gave him 24 hours in which to tell his parents, Jane and Robert, after which she said she would tell them. Davis told a friend his parents would be ashamed, and hours later hanged himself from his bedroom door handle as his father prepared dinner.
Wisconsin: Girl kills herself after being caught with a cigarette. May 19, 1999, was the day seventh-grader Timijane Martin was suspended for having a cigarette in her locker in Shawano Community Middle School in Shawano, Wis. It was also the day Timijane committed suicide.
Louisiana: Pregnant woman shot over cigarette. 18-year-old refused to stop smoking. One local man took matters into his own hands early Friday when, according to police, he shot an expectant mother who refused to put out her cigarette.
New York: A 25-year-old Bronx man, whose name was withheld, was shot at 1304 Miriam Ave. in another turf war.
New York: Desmond Jordan, 34, was shot twice allegedly by William Giddens, 45, last May 17 in front of 24 Humboldt St. in yet another battle.
Colorado: Bar Owner Blames Smoking Ban For Rape. A Pueblo bar owner says the smoking ban that forced his female employee outside is directly responsible for her rape.
PA: Smokers Raped.Reward posted in rape. cases. Two Camden businesses are offering $25,000 for convictions in recent attacks. A woman working at a shop near Sixth and Cooper Streets was robbed and raped Thursday morning by a man who followed her into the store after she had taken a cigarette break.
Texas: Date Rape Pill Put in Drink, While Going Outside for Cigarette. Maria says she and two other friends stepped outside to smoke a cigarette. She says it was during that time that someone spiked her drink.
Texas: Smoker Violence. Two Everman police officers who asked a man and woman who were smoking to leave a high school football game Friday night ended up in a violent melee as dozens of young people converged on the scene.
Ireland: Three men had jaws broken as they smoked outside pubs in Sligo, Kilkenny and Dublin.
UK: Teen gang beat man after he refused to give them a cigarette. Police say the victim, believed to be in his 40's, was left with a suspected fractured eye socket and cuts and bruises all over his body.
Ireland: Hotel worker assaulted after stopping smoker. Gardaí have begun an investigation into an alleged disturbance at a Limerick hotel, resulting from the smoking ban. A worker at the hotel is believed to have been assaulted when he asked a member of the public to stop smoking at closing time. Gardaí were called but the culprit had fled.
Canada: On July 28,2004, a 57-year-old Mac's Milk clerk in the Davisville area was stabbed several times in the chest — for cash and cigarettes. On Tuesday, at another Mac's Milk in Don Mills, a clerk was pistol-whipped and locked in a freezer, again for cash and cigarettes.
Massachusetts: Melissa Pierce and Angela Aiello, after leaving the bar to smoke, were struck in the heads with a metal pipe. Richard Jervah of Lynn was pushed through a plate glass window. Arthur Brestovitsky was stabbed in the chest, face, and arm.
Pennsylvania: Pittsburgh. A clerk in the Giant Eagle on Route 30 was assaulted Thursday by robbers who tried to make off with two cartons of cigarettes.
Maine: Smoking privileges have become a volatile issue at Augusta Mental Health Institute, where violence flared up recently after patients demanded more opportunities to smoke. Four AMHI employees went to a hospital after being injured May 4 in a scuffle that they said was triggered by a forensic patient's demand to smoke more and be left alone while smoking.
UK: A hospital is to relax its strict ban on smoking after patients and relatives flouted the rules, causing 11 fires last year.
Australia: An 11-year-old boy was burned, attackers stubbing a cigarette on his stomach for commenting on the dangers of smoking.
Canada: An inmate was stabbed during a prison riot over smoking bans in a jail at Renous, New Brunswick.
Florida: Father Stabs Son Over Cigarette. Family members, including Anderson's mother and other children, were in the vehicle at the time.
Alabama: Smoker Attacked. He was standing in a parking lot, smoking a cigarette when he was attacked.
Canada: Man dies in smoking area. The day after at PCVS: Shock and questions.
New Zealand: Woman Assaulted Upholding Ban. Three were charged with disorderly behaviour and a fourth with assaulting police and resisting arrest.
Ohio: Man killed over missing pack of cigarettes. Two Men Face Charges In Beating Death Of Homeless Man. Prosecutor: Death Was A Hate Crime.
Canada: Man Shot In Smoking Argument. A 39-year-old man asked his neighbour not to smoke in the hallway. He was shot in the leg below the knee.
Florida: Smoker Attacked & Raped. The attacker dragged the victim upstairs and threatened to kill her if she called police.
Massachusetts: Smoking Teen Shot. He was shot at least five times while smoking a cigarette in front of 113 Green St.
New Hampshire: Clerk Attacked Over Cigar. A customer, irate at the cost of a cigar, hit a 7-Eleven store clerk in the face with a metal display rack Monday night, seriously injuring him, police said. "His face is totally destroyed," she said. Thapa said both his upper and lower lips were split, requiring stitches, and two front teeth were knocked out in the assault.
New Zealand: Abduction And Rape Of Smoking Woman. The incident proved people would be more vulnerable if they had to go outside and smoke, something Prime Minister Helen Clark had not thought of, he said.
More Ban Damage:
New York. Officer accused of hitting smoking teen.
California. Two police cadets forced to eat tobacco.
Tennessee. Couple sue over police assault from cigarette incident.
Virginia. Series of tobacco product tampering resulting in burn injuries.
New York. 60 year old man beaten unconscious for smoking.
Illinois. Assault and battery of a woman who was eight months pregnant.
California. Woman tortured her daughter over cigarettes.
Violence against persons who smoke is a direct result of federal and state actions to aggressively promote intolerance against a "target group" in order to achieve government tax and mandate policy objectives.
India: Three passengers threw a 24-year-old man out of a running train on December 26, 2004, after he protested against their smoking in the compartment.
Pennsylvania: Woman brutally assaulted when boyfriend caught her lying about smoking cigarettes. He later killed himself.
Italy: Restaurant owner dies over ban. A pizzeria owner in Turin died of a heart attack after a brawl with three inebriated clients who refused to stub out cigarettes.
More Ban Damage in the news.
Businesses Harmed by Smoking Bans: Anti-smoking organizations insist that bans are somehow good for people in hospitality businesses. This chart shows otherwise. These businesses have lost a significant portion of their business as a direct result of smoking bans. Many are closed. Many that are still open have told us they doubt they'll survive much longer. Other sources report Loss of Business.
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Old Cheech and Chong bit about smoking I always enjoyed listening to.
| Quote | Announcer: The following is a testimonial from R. Zimmerman of the American Cancer Society.
R. Zimmerman: Hey! This is R. Zimmerman from the American Cancer Society. (Wheeze). I used to smoke about 20 packs of cigarettes a day. (Wheeze). But since I lost one of my lungs, (wheeze), I've cut my smokin' in half. (Wheezing and labored breathing). |
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Geo -
While it is a shame that a 13-year-old girl would committ suicide, I hardly think the author of the article you posted was justified in blaming her death on the anti-smoking crowd. That's a bit of a stretch.
Also, just because someone dies WHILE smoking doesn't mean they died FOR smoking.
My cousin was stabbed to death by a stranger who knocked on his door and asked for a cigarette. He gave the stranger a cigarette, the stranger stabbed him repeatedly, and my cousin died. The stranger is now serving 24 years for that cigarette. Who is at fault there?
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This is the absolute most idiotic stupid cockamamie senseless foolish preposterous thing Freeborn county could do for thier economy.
After bragging about the top 10 whatchamajigger in the tribune the other day (which I laughed my pants off not thinking that could be possible but maybe in the OPPOSITE way).
Geo I recently quit smoking and I will come to your bar and help keep it alive if this damn thing goes through!
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I am not a smoker, but I do think they are taking this way too far. The Police seem to want to take one thing at a time away from us.
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No decision on bar owners' bid to block smoking bans
A Hennepin County district court judge Friday delayed deciding whether to keep the county and the cities of Bloomington and Minneapolis from enacting smoking bans in restaurants and bars at the end of the month.
Instead, District Judge John Q. McShane scheduled a public hearing March 22 to listen to arguments from the bar and private club owners who filed suit Thursday to block the bans, and from the county and cities that enacted it.
The smoking ban is due to start March 31.
McShane is expected to rule whether to temporarily bar the county and cities from implementing the smoking restrictions, said Ryan Pacyga, the attorney representing the bar and club owners. Even if McShane denies the temporary injunction, a full trial would go forward to determine whether the smoking bans are legal, Pacyga said.
- Beth Silver
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