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GEOKARJO 
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2005,10:45 pm |
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2005,8:13 am |
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One time I was eating lunch at Chinese Tea House with a co-worker. Because we were both smokers, we were sitting in the smoking section. There was no ashtray on our table, so we asked the people at an adjacent table if we could borrow their ashtray (since they weren't using it). They gave it to us without question, but had a total fit as soon as we lit up. Apparently they thought they were in the non-smoking section, and went as far as to point to the sign on the kitchen door, which read "No Smoking In Kitchen" to support their point. (This was after we told them they were sitting in the smoking section.) One of them actually said "If I had known you were going to smoke, I wouldn't have given you the ashtray."
I know this doesn't have anything to do with smoking bans, but I thought some of you might enjoy the story.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2005,4:35 pm |
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To: minnesotasmokers@yahoogroups.com
From: "robert fenske" Add to Address Book
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 07:31:35 -0600
Subject: RE: [minnesotasmokers] Update on Smoking Ban lawsuit!
My sincerest congratulations on your efforts. We talked to all the owners here in Rochester and asked them to protest our forthcoming ban. Only 3 would stand up and do it! Now they are all suffering.
Bob Fenske
Rochester, MN
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,10:33 am |
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The manipulation of statistical formulas is no substitute for knowing what one is doing.
--Hubert M. Blalock, Jr., Social Statistics
Five More Die In Smoking War:
Tennessee School Bus Driver Shot. A 14-year-old boy was charged with shooting a school bus driver to death as she drove her morning route yesterday. A relative of the driver said she had reported the boy a day earlier for using smokeless tobacco on the bus.
Illinois Smoker Falls To Death. Ian Honeycutt, 28, of Glenview, tumbled from a ninth-floor apartment, blown off a window sill by a gust of wind while smoking. His aunt asked him not to smoke inside, police sources said.
Canada Smoking Sailor Dies. Under the pitch-black skies of a new moon, Robert Leblanc stepped into a breezeway aboard HMCS Montreal to smoke a cigarette as the frigate steamed across the wintry Baltic Sea. He ended up overboard in fatally frigid waters. He is presumed drowned.
California Smoker Gunned Down. A gunman fatally shot a man outside a sports bar in unincorporated Hayward as the man took a cigarette break, authorities said Friday.
California smoker beaten to death. He refused to hand over a cigarette.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,10:55 am |
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Vets sent to front lines in the smoking wars
March. 13, 2005
JOE SOUCHERAY
There was news footage the other night of some of the fellows at the Bloomington VFW Post 1296. They were having a cold one at the bar and many of them were smoking cigarettes. In fact, while the video was cropped to mainly show the reporter talking about a proposed smoking ban by the cities of Bloomington and Minneapolis in concert with the whole of Hennepin County, you could see one of the Legion members in the background taking a drag on his heater.
And then another Legion member sidled up to the television reporter and showed him his pack of Marlboros, intending to convey the message that he had read the health warnings on the pack and clearly understood them.
Personally, I would not tell Legion members they could not smoke in their own clubs. For God's sake, they are Legion members, which means they were in the service, which means that many of them fired weapons in defense of the United States of America, which means that many of them were injured, which means …
Which means their right to smoke should trump some silly Minneapolis City Council member or the likes of Dave Thune in St. Paul and all the other anti-smoking zealots who have grown tiresome advertising their imagined virtue.
Now there is a lawsuit. The Legion clubs as well as Lyon's Pub and Stub & Herb's in Minneapolis have joined together to put a stop to Hennepin County's attempt to put them out of business with a smoking ban that is to take effect March 31. The Eagles and the Knights of Columbus are in there, too.
Sue Jeffers, who owns Stub & Herb's, has been tireless in fighting for the quaint belief that the rights of the anti-smoking zealots stop at her front door. It's her door. She is the one who pays the taxes and pays the employees.
Have you ever been in a Legion club? As far as I am concerned they have special status. Every once in while it does a nonmember good to drop in on one and maybe leave enough at the bar to cover a round. The thought of telling the veterans that they cannot smoke in their own club is outrageous.
These are Legion members! Get the hell out of their face!
The public's health is not affected by the smoking that takes place inside a Legion club. And if the members inside the Legion club want to smoke, that is their problem. The anti-smoking crowd just doesn't know when to quit, and not one of them has the guts to lead a national effort to ban tobacco.
Here is where these frauds break down. Most reasonable people would agree that tobacco would not be allowed to be sold in a pet supply store, much less at SuperAmerica. Most reasonable people agree tobacco is a killer. It just stands to reason that you shouldn't inhale something that's on fire. On that we are all agreed.
So ban it. Yes, it is a minor inconvenience to ban a perfectly legal product that is a significant measure of the economy. Too bad. The facts are not in dispute. Smoking cigarettes can kill you. These zealots should quit pestering some guy who fought in Desert Storm and instead get on a bus to Washington, D.C., and march up and down in front of the Capitol and call for a ban on tobacco.
But they don't do that, do they? Of course not. That would take gumption. These people don't have gumption. Scratch the patina of self-importance off an anti-smoking zealot and chances are you will find somebody who is not altruistic at all. They are simply worried about themselves.
How about this. Why don't you people stay home in your smoke-free house and that way you will never accidentally walk by a Legion club and smell smoke.
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,11:00 am |
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These sound more like "Darwin Awards"--"thinning the herd!
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So he killed her? 
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Dying to have a cigarette, even if it means going out on a heaving deck with seas breaking over it?
When having a cigarette threatens your life (immediately, not sometime in the future), perhaps it's time to quit. These are not vastly different than soldiers that felt they just had to light up in a war zone--dying for a cigarette.
I'm in favor of choice when it comes to smoking--but there's no kind alternative way to say it--these people were stupid!
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,11:44 am |
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I think we can honestly say that George has did his homework on this topic.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,12:16 pm |
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Environmental Health Dept. of St. Louis Park, MN tests Prove secondhand smoke in bars & restaurants is 150 times safer/lower than OSHA regulations.
Those results render any government argument that secondhand smoke is a public health issue, null & void once and for all.
0.0005g/cu. M. is the OSHA permissible exposure limit (PEL) of nicotine (secondhand smoke)
0.0000033g/cu. M is the actual measured median level of nicotine (secondhand smoke) by St. Louis Park Environmental Health Department
Comparing the SLP test results to the OSHA (PEL) gives us the fact that the secondhand smoke in our bars / restaurants is 150 times safer than OSHA regulations.
IE. secondhand smoke is not a public health issue! And people can take measures to avoid smoke by not frequenting private establishments which allow smoking.
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The OSHA safe PEL (Permissible Exposure Limit) for airborne nicotine is 0.5 milligrams/ cu. M or expressed in decimal form 0.0005 g/cu. M.. The city of St. Louis Park’s Environmental Health Dept. (MN) first tested Q1 2004 all it’s bars & restaurants for nicotine in milligrams / cu. M, and results came in at 0 milligrams /cu. M., no health hazard.
So what they did next is indicative of what anti-smoking activists have always done to try to defend the indefensible; they lowered the bar. They decided to re-test Q3 2004 nicotine in micrograms / cu. M, (measure in concentrations 1000 times smaller) and received new test results ranging from 1-32 micrograms(ug)/cu. M. with the median result of 3.3ug /cu. M; as a decimal it is expressed as 0.000003.3 g/ cu. M. In other words the tested air quality for nicotine in bars & restaurants in St. Louis Park Minnesota was 150 times safer than OSHA guidelines.
(the second hand smoke in St. Louis Park, MN. bars & restaurants is of course no different than other bars & restaurants around the country or in any other country, for that matter)
One might ask why other states banned smoking if the readings are so insignificant, after all the air quality with regard to nicotine in the median bar / restaurant in St. Louis Park was 150 times safer / lower than what OSHA's PEL on nicotine allows. The answer….. no other environmental health department ever tested, (or publicized) they simply believed the rhetoric and feelings spouted by the usual suspects. In fact once I caught wind of the testing going on in St. Louis Park I started to provide that information to Minneapolis, St. Paul, & Bloomington city councils; only to get an angry phone call from a St. Louis Park Environmental Health Dept. official demanding I cease & desist. The explanation given was that a Bloomington city council member was unhappy about this information going public. (This council member was supportive of a ban at all costs).
Organizations such as the American Lung Assoc., MPAAT , and numerous such organizations with no proof, mind you, of any actual conclusive facts; but many, many $$$$ to throw at government councils & commissions, have until now, had greater influence on politicians.
After meeting with the city engineers in Eden Prairie, MN. a couple of years back and explaining the filtration method that our Smokeeter brand electro-static precipitator (ESP) systems worked on, they decided against a smoking ban. Smokeeter ESP systems with odor reducing carbon modules remove 99% harmful airborne particulate to 0.01 micron particle size, fiber filter air cleaners on the other hand, are only effective to 0.3 microns. Stanford Research Institute measured tobacco smoke and found that it’s make-up is particle sizes ranging from 0.5 microns – 0.01 microns i.e. It will flow thru fiber filters like water, Smokeeter brand ESP therefore, is the ideal tobacco smoke removal filtration system.
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2005,1:49 pm |
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I bet it really bugs certain people that I’m a heavy smoker and I’m all for the smoking ban. I will not smoke in my own house because my wife and kids breathe that air. We will not stay at any restaurant that smells of smoke. Once in a while, the wife and I will play pool at a bar and that’s about the only time I smoke in the same room as non-smokers. I feel guilty about it, but can’t help it when I’ve been drinking.
I’m all for the ban. This town’s councils are always trying to make it a retirement town by killing off all the businesses, anyway. The main business in this town is selling alcohol to drunks, so the ban would pretty much shut this town down. I need some kind of incentive to quit smoking. Maybe this will help.
If this message is altered, I’ll send it to everyone’s personal mail.
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