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(Liberal @ Sep. 14 2011,2:17 pm)
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Conjecture and theories? You really are screwed up in the head if you think science is fallible but goat herding cave dweller's fairy tales are infallible. :crazy:

Quote:   By truth it is meant what is really going on.  Truth has to do with ultimate causes which are nearly always elusive and beyond the realm of science.  Science deals with theories which predict outcomes of experiements.  For example: if we drop a rock off a cliff, the law of gravity combined with theories of air resistance and other forces can be used to calculate just how long it will take to hit the ground and how fast it will go etc.  But science does not answer the question just exactly what gravity is, or why things fall.  It just states given certain circumstances they will fall.  Science answers questions like, how, when, where but NEVER why in the ultimate sense.

In science always replace the word fact with observation, or theory, or truth whichever is intended to convey the intended meaning best.
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If the meaning is obersvation then it is falliable.  
If it is theory than it can be disproven someday.  
If it is claimed to be truth then it is a statement of personal conviction which is outside the domain of science.


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People believe all that Biblical mumbo-jumbo because they feel to not believe is a one-way ticket to Hell. That's it. That's what they've been told by every evangelical they've heard since childhood.

Take away the threat of Hell, and the masses would exit the sanctuary in droves.

No true religion would need to resort to a carrot-and-stick scheme unless there was an ulterior motive at play, something a bit more diabolical than simply "saving everyone."

Simple-minded explanation from the simple-minded :angel:

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Irish Eyes,
Why do think doctors refer to their line of work as a
PRACTICE!!!


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(Santorini @ Sep. 15 2011,10:01 am)
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Irish Eyes,
Why do think doctors refer to their line of work as a
PRACTICE!!!

Gee, I don't know why they call it that.   :dunce:
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v. prac·ticed, prac·tic·ing, prac·tic·es
v.tr.
1. To do or perform habitually or customarily; make a habit of: practices courtesy in social situations.
2. To do or perform (something) repeatedly in order to acquire or polish a skill: practice a dance step.
3. To give lessons or repeated instructions to; drill: practiced the students in handwriting.
4. To work at, especially as a profession: practice law.
5. To carry out in action; observe: practices a religion piously.
Dictionary - Practice

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In science always replace the word fact with observation, or theory, or truth whichever is intended to convey the intended meaning best.
Remember
If the meaning is obersvation then it is falliable.  
If it is theory than it can be disproven someday.  
If it is claimed to be truth then it is a statement of personal conviction which is outside the domain of science.


Is it coincidence that your post is identical to what John P. Pratt has on his website?

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In popular useage it can mean either "observation," "theory," or "truth." As an example of each, one can say, "it is a fact that every time I have dropped this ball, it fell to the ground." That is what has been observed so far, and the word "fact" can be replaced with "observation." One can also say, "it is a fact that every time I have dropped this ball, gravity pulled it to the ground." Even though this statement appears very similar to the first, "gravity" really refers to a theory proposed to explain why the ball is observed to fall.

This confusion can often be avoided by always replacing the word "fact" with "observation," "theory" or "truth," whichever seems to convey the intended meaning best. Remember that if the meaning is "observation," then it is as fallible as the observer. If it is a "theory," then it also could be disproven someday. If it is claimed to be "truth," then it is a statement of the personal conviction of the speaker, which is outside the domain of science.
John P. Pratt - Fact or Theory


Aside from the straw man argument above: "if you insert my words into words you see in the newspaper regarding science, notice how it changes the meaning to something I'll try to refute..."   :rofl:

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The Lord has revealed many truths in the scriptures which can be used as an absolute standard against which scientific theories may be measured. If any theory denies a truth which the Lord has clearly told us, then that theory is not likely to endure through the millennium.
Millenial Science


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Arguments over whose God is more factual makes you all look like 2000 year old Troglodytes.

No, it's not even over that...it's over 15th century interpretations no less. Give it a rest.

We are all made up of star stuff. Matter cooked up in stars from hydrogen and helium atoms. We were lighter than air and invisible. Reality is such a mind blower and a far better story than your God fairy tales.


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(irisheyes @ Sep. 15 2011,11:16 am)
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(Santorini @ Sep. 15 2011,10:01 am)
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Irish Eyes,
Why do think doctors refer to their line of work as a
PRACTICE!!!

Gee, I don't know why they call it that.   :dunce:
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v. prac·ticed, prac·tic·ing, prac·tic·es
v.tr.
1. To do or perform habitually or customarily; make a habit of: practices courtesy in social situations.
2. To do or perform (something) repeatedly in order to acquire or polish a skill: practice a dance step.
3. To give lessons or repeated instructions to; drill: practiced the students in handwriting.
4. To work at, especially as a profession: practice law.
5. To carry out in action; observe: practices a religion piously.
Dictionary - Practice

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In science always replace the word fact with observation, or theory, or truth whichever is intended to convey the intended meaning best.
Remember
If the meaning is obersvation then it is falliable.  
If it is theory than it can be disproven someday.  
If it is claimed to be truth then it is a statement of personal conviction which is outside the domain of science.


Is it coincidence that your post is identical to what John P. Pratt has on his website?

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In popular useage it can mean either "observation," "theory," or "truth." As an example of each, one can say, "it is a fact that every time I have dropped this ball, it fell to the ground." That is what has been observed so far, and the word "fact" can be replaced with "observation." One can also say, "it is a fact that every time I have dropped this ball, gravity pulled it to the ground." Even though this statement appears very similar to the first, "gravity" really refers to a theory proposed to explain why the ball is observed to fall.

This confusion can often be avoided by always replacing the word "fact" with "observation," "theory" or "truth," whichever seems to convey the intended meaning best. Remember that if the meaning is "observation," then it is as fallible as the observer. If it is a "theory," then it also could be disproven someday. If it is claimed to be "truth," then it is a statement of the personal conviction of the speaker, which is outside the domain of science.
John P. Pratt - Fact or Theory


Aside from the straw man argument above: "if you insert my words into words you see in the newspaper regarding science, notice how it changes the meaning to something I'll try to refute..."   :rofl:

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The Lord has revealed many truths in the scriptures which can be used as an absolute standard against which scientific theories may be measured. If any theory denies a truth which the Lord has clearly told us, then that theory is not likely to endure through the millennium.
Millenial Science

I QUOTED Pratt :dunce:
Check the beginning of my writing!
We are, scratch that, some are conditioned by society that when we hear anything that begins with
Scientists say, that it is undeniably true.
Regarding the Bible and creation there are MANY scientiest that disregard evolution because it is (quote): scientifically bankrupt.  
Read: The Second Law of Thermodynamics
it is one of the most powerful presentations of support against evolution  :angel:


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As for your ideology of Abraham's sacrifice of his only son Isaac, God was testing Abraham's faith.  Pure and simple.  

God was testing his faith by having him lie to his son, and plot the murder of his son? Did God also tell him to make his son carry the wood he was going to be murdered on?

What would you kooks do if you had a voice in your head that you believed was God, and that voice was telling you to prove your faith by killing a child?


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[quote=Santorini,Sep. 15 2011,10:01 am]
Read: The Second Law of Thermodynamics
it is one of the most powerful presentations of support against evolution  :angel:

Um, maybe you should read the Second Law a little more closely.  The Second law does not apply to evolution or most natural things on Earth.  The Second Law refers to closed systems.  A closed system is one in which no new energy(heat) is being put into it.  The Earth is not a closed system.  The sun is constantly adding energy and thus supplying a method for chemicals to react.  
While things on Earth do tend toward Entropy, the input of energy from the Sun prevents a balanced state.  Look at the water cycle.  Put simply, all water wants to go to the oceans.  But with the Sun adding energy, water is circulated back over land and the cycle continues.  Same with weather, the Sun is ultimately responsible for the variations.


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Santorini has a 9 year old concept of evolution. The mind of a child trying to explain why science they don't understand is wrong.

Santorini is just a funny clown. It's not something you take seriously and discuss. Her child-like mind can't understand, plain and simple.


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"I felt that I was literally standing on a plateau somewhere out there in space, a plateau that science and technology had allowed me to get to. But now what I was seeing and even more important what I was feeling at that moment in time, science and technology had no answers for. Literally no answers. Because there I was and there you are – there you are, the Earth – dynamic, overwhelming, and I felt that the world was just, there’s too much purpose, too much logic, it was just too beautiful to have happened by accident. There has to be somebody bigger than you and bigger than me, and I mean this in a spiritual sense, not a religious sense, there has to be a creator of the universe who stands above the religions that we ourselves create to govern our lives." [9]

"Looking back to see the Earth in all of its fullness and beauty was like looking out from God’s front porch. It was the one single most vivid memory [of the Apollo missions]. That view brought a new perspective about the world we all share. If we could put everybody on that spot for five minutes, the Earth would be a different place." [10]
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_Cernan                          believing all the order we see around us is an " accident " that is the fairytale.


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