|
|
| Post Number: 11
|
|
|
| Post Number: 12
|
White Pride 
weißer Stolz
Group: Members
Posts: 897
Joined: Jul. 2007
|
 |
Posted on: Sep. 10 2011,2:57 pm |
|
    |
The interpretation of the texts is as diverse as vague laws written today, needing a "judge" to tell (you) what it means. The "judges" are merely the different sects of the religious populace.
In a similar comparison, you can find the same "translation" differences in the Nostradamus Quatrains
--------------
Dr. Pride here
I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
|
 |
|
|
| Post Number: 13
|
|
|
| Post Number: 14
|
|
|
| Post Number: 15
|
Santorini
Group: Members
Posts: 2015
Joined: Nov. 2007
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,11:41 am |
|
|
(Liberal @ Sep. 10 2011,7:17 am)
QUOTE For example the New American Standard Bible says this in Genesis 38:8-10
Then Judah said to Onan, “Go in to your brother’s wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother.” Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother’s wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the LORD; so He took his life also.
And the King James Version says
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother’s wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother’s wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
What is your point? The message is clear and the same.
Onan was ordered to create an offspring for his dead brother with his sister-in-law which was customary. He disobeyed.
--------------
"Things turn out best for those who make the best
of the way things turned out." Jack Buck
|
|
|
|
| Post Number: 16
|
Santorini
Group: Members
Posts: 2015
Joined: Nov. 2007
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,12:07 pm |
|
|
Counterfeit Fake,
The King James version of the Bible was written around the 16th century so it is a relatively new Book. Ordered by English King James the First it was written by mostly pure Englishmen with little knowledge of Hebrew so the interpretations vary. The Catholic Bible has been the same for nearly 2000 years and uses the same set of Old Testament books as Jesus and the apostles. It was written over a period of 12 to 13 centuries. Protestant reformers rejected some of the books in the 1500s thus creating their own Protestant Bible. HOWEVER, both describe many of the same stories. If one reads the Bible you will notice like with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John it is basically the same interpretation of events told by each of them in their own words. However, Catholics believe all the books of the New Testament to be divinely inspired. (inspired by God). Basically there has been dispute for centuries which continues to today. The thing is, stories of the Bible are told by those who were witness to said events. And they are communicated in a way that was customary for that time. Using symbols and metaphors was the way to do it back then, so one cannot compare the writings from 2000 years ago to todays way of communicating. The point is that people read the Bible whether Catholic or Protestant...people believe and have Faith regardless of how it is practiced...and that is what is important!
--------------
"Things turn out best for those who make the best
of the way things turned out." Jack Buck
|
|
|
|
| Post Number: 17
|
White Pride
weißer Stolz
Group: Members
Posts: 897
Joined: Jul. 2007
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,2:09 pm |
|
|
"The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused"
What was the dominant religion before Jesus of Nazareth? It wasn't anything close to what we call Christianity today, I can assure you that. In fact, Christianity took many of it's ideals from the former religions, and gave it a new name, a new figurehead, and condemned the former. You can compare it to the change of power in a country, as the history books have documented time and time again. Consider the bible a history book, of sorts. It conquered (but not eliminated) the rival religions and thus cast a negative shadow over it's rivals. the quote "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused" seems to apply well in this situation, doesn't it!
--------------
Dr. Pride here
I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
|
|
|
|
| Post Number: 18
|
Santorini
Group: Members
Posts: 2015
Joined: Nov. 2007
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,9:00 pm |
|
|
(White Pride @ Sep. 11 2011,2:09 pm)
QUOTE "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused"
What was the dominant religion before Jesus of Nazareth? It wasn't anything close to what we call Christianity today, I can assure you that. In fact, Christianity took many of it's ideals from the former religions, and gave it a new name, a new figurehead, and condemned the former. You can compare it to the change of power in a country, as the history books have documented time and time again. Consider the bible a history book, of sorts. It conquered (but not eliminated) the rival religions and thus cast a negative shadow over it's rivals. the quote "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused" seems to apply well in this situation, doesn't it!
In Acts of the Apostles 11:26 talks of the term Christians.
[It was in Antioch that the diciples were called Christians for the first time].
At that time Antioch was located in Asia Minor or todays Turkey. When I was in Istambul and visiting some very historic sites where many of the philosophers would speak, like Socrates and Aristotle, I kept thinking that this is where it all began. Remember that Istambul did not exist at the time and the land masses were different, it was all part of old Constantinople. St. Andrew (1 if the 12 apostles) visited this area after being inspired to do so. He laid the foundation for the first Christian Church. So Christianity has been around since about 38AD. Prior to becoming a Christian region, Constantinople had been pagan. Christianity simply means followers of Christ! 
--------------
"Things turn out best for those who make the best
of the way things turned out." Jack Buck
|
|
|
|
| Post Number: 19
|
Santorini
Group: Members
Posts: 2015
Joined: Nov. 2007
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,9:27 pm |
|
|
(White Pride @ Sep. 11 2011,2:09 pm)
QUOTE "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused"
What was the dominant religion before Jesus of Nazareth? It wasn't anything close to what we call Christianity today, I can assure you that. In fact, Christianity took many of it's ideals from the former religions, and gave it a new name, a new figurehead, and condemned the former. You can compare it to the change of power in a country, as the history books have documented time and time again. Consider the bible a history book, of sorts. It conquered (but not eliminated) the rival religions and thus cast a negative shadow over it's rivals. the quote "The victor will always be the judge and the vanquished the accused" seems to apply well in this situation, doesn't it!
Actually, Judaism can be traced back to Abraham. Judaism and Christianity both consider themselves to be Abrahamic. Most others were pagan beliefs like in the moon, sun, stars etc. because that is all they knew. Christians belief is that the Jewish religion is incomplete. Actually the Bible is more like a diary than a history book. It is actual accounts; witnessed accounts. That is what testament means And the much of the New Testament is believed to be Divinely Inspired!
--------------
"Things turn out best for those who make the best
of the way things turned out." Jack Buck
|
|
|
|
| Post Number: 20
|
Rosalind_Swenson
Group: Members
Posts: 1527
Joined: May 2011
|
|
Posted on: Sep. 11 2011,11:22 pm |
|
|
(Santorini @ Sep. 11 2011,9:27 pm)
QUOTE Actually, Judaism can be traced back to Abraham. Judaism and Christianity both consider themselves to be Abrahamic. Most others were pagan beliefs like in the moon, sun, stars etc. because that is all they knew. Christians belief is that the Jewish religion is incomplete. Actually the Bible is more like a diary than a history book. It is actual accounts; witnessed accounts. That is what testament means And the much of the New Testament is believed to be Divinely Inspired!
Islam also goes back to Abraham. The Quran says Mohammaed is a descendant of Ishmael. The servant woman's child. Abrahams wife didn't believe the angels when they told them they would have children. She thought she was too old to get pregnant. She tells Abraham to have a child with their servant...hmmm, Abrahams wife didn't have much faith did she! So, Abraham and the servant woman have a son. Him and his wife then have a son. The wife gets all jealous and stupid and makes Abraham send away the servant woman and their child. Supposedly Mohammed was a descendant of that child, and the Quran says THAT is where the covenant with God comes from. The Quran also says that much of the bible was falsified and that christians are misled. It states that Paul, (the guy who hunted down christians and killed them, but then had a visitation from Jesus and became a radical christian himself, and wrote several of the New Testament books) lied to mislead christians. That is why muslims are supposed to memorize the Quran, so that mankind can never be tricked again....tellin ya, the whole thing with all three of these religions sounds like an episode of the Twilight Zone. hmmm, maybe Rod Serling is God!! OR, maybe it's all a test, to see if we can find peace, or if we will tear ourselves apart over which religion is the right one. Anyone from any of these religions can say anything they want about how much faith they have that they are right, they can condemn anyone they don't agree with, argue, fight and kill over who is God's favorite. There is absolutely NO way of knowing which (if any) book is the right one. NONE. All three religions agree that God is all knowing and all powerful. So why not start putting all that faith into God, instead of some book.
--------------
And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
