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DrBombay 
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,5:59 am |
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| Quote | | Don't care who you ask, but you do tend to leap and then look, for example the fund raiser that you posted was hosted by Pam Bishop for me, now using a research summary for a bill that did not become law to discuss the law, and the confusing the title of a section of law for a law change. |
Ok, this Bishop thing has been grit in your craw for months now. I corrected myself that I didn't know if funds were raised. I did hear she had some sort of social function at her place for you, and she and her family helped with your campaign. You didn't like it because you were desperately trying to dis-associate yourself with the Bishops because popular opinion about the Bishops on this forum is low.
Guilty as charged about the wrong Bill. It turns out it was a stupid Omnibus Bill (a bunch of Ag stuff all lumped into one bill, which I hate). Named Omnibus Agriculture Bill. When I searched the site I was looking for HF instead of SF which in my own defense would be logical because neither "the letter" or your post was very descriptive with a bill#, date, or title. By searching for Alien Farm, E-2 Visa, or Corporate Farm in the HF's this is what I came up with. Sorry I'm dumb..but the summary gave a good explanation of what was included in the "real" Ag Bill anyway.
| Quote | | Did I intentionally mis led? No, but I can see why you feel that way, both can be true, when people attack the bill, the letter, by using foriegn owenership, they are playing on peoples fear of people who don't look like "us". The law applies to people from many countries but the folks who are trying to use it are from Holland. |
Finally you address the issue of the whole point of this thread. However I do believe you intended to mislead or why would you have said this...| Quote | | I guese for some it's ok to let them work in the fields, just as long as the don't own them. |
This would hardly apply to the "folks from Holland" who aren't even in the US yet and in fact do look like "us". Seems to me you were playing on the sympathy of those who don't look like "us". (Are you speaking of color by any chance?)
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| Quote | | So, even if I did mis led, how is this different than Michale Moore taking parts of 2 speaches in Bowling for Columbine? Why hold me to a different standard? |
 LOL I hope you were laughing when you wrote this? Well RepDan It's been quite awhile since I saw the movie, and I don't recall exactly what 2 speeches you're refering. But I'd have to say because Michael Moore doesn't represent me in St. Paul and...He's a film maker and your a legislator.
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,7:40 am |
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| Quote | So, would you prefer the Dutch farmers in Minnesota or Idaho?
If you choose Idaho, help me understand how time helps our small farmers please. Thanks |
Since you insist on pushing the issue to take the attention off your deceptive nature, I'll give you my opinion. You should've really ask the farmers of your district what they thought before you voted. As for what I think........jeez I don't know I'm a city gal and I'm scared of cows and I never even really cared for milk. But since you made me do all of this hard work, I found out some interesting stuff.
As for the letter criticizing your vote, there are plenty of farmers who would agree with that line of thinking. It's not at all a partisan issue either.
Press release from Rep. Senator
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn.us/caucus....rms.htm
The senate passed this 60-6 (no partisan behavior) the first time around. (But it was well into May and they probably just wanted it to look like they got something done) Sparks did vote for it. But the House vote was pretty close to partisan lines 88-44. (Interesting, huh?)
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,8:15 am |
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| Quote | Foreign Ownership of Dairy Farms Not in Best Interests of Local Farmers
By Sen. Paul Koering
The Minnesota Legislature is considering changing state law to permit foreigners to own or lease farm land and engage in dairy farming. I have not been convinced that lifting the current restriction is any benefit to the farmers in my senate district.
As a dairy farmer for 15 years, I know what a struggle it is to make a go of it, and I can’t think of a single good business reason to pit farmer against farmer. Minnesota farmers are already at a disadvantage among farmers nationally, not because of a lack of competition, but because of an archaic dairy pricing system which has resulted in moving milk production away from the state. Changes to these dairy compacts, which artificially set the price that our farmers can charge for their milk, are all the stimulus we need.
That being said, we are all interested in economic development, and maintaining existing farm industries is surely one means to support rural economies. There are more than 7,500 dairy farms in our state. According to a recent Ridgewater College study, the average farmer spent an impressive $319,000 in the community, for livestock, utilities, interest on loans and leases, taxes, food, clothing, home furnishings and other personal needs, labor, and various services. Dairy is a $3 billion business in Minnesota and employs, directly and indirectly, more than 50,000 people.
I am normally one who believes that competition benefits everyone because, left alone, the market will find the sustainable price of a product or service. We begin to discourage rather than encourage participation in a market when it is no longer possible to operate at a profit or even to simply make a living. I am not interested in taking any action at this time that would take the competitive edge from our local farmers.
Economics aside, I have another reason for opposing this bill. Perhaps most important of all, in my mind, is preserving the tradition of the family farm. It is not simply nostalgia that leads me to believe that we should do all we can to support our existing farm businesses. Since our earliest days as a state, our farm families and farm communities have embodied the most important values that underpin our democracy: hard work, self-reliance, faith, compassion. We cannot afford to let this slip away.
I have all the respect in the world for Minnesota farmers. There are no more productive or efficient farmers anywhere in the world than our home-grown variety. As your state senator I intend to do whatever it takes to help them survive and prosper because it is in the best interests of all Minnesotans. |
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It seem's I would vote for Rep. Sen. Paul Koering in a minute. At least he stood up for the right thing. He didn't just jump on the bandwagon with his house cronies to make it look like he accomplished something.
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,8:46 am |
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If animal confinement, excessive antibiotic use, hormone injections or 100,000 tons of manure/per day have anything to do with it then by all means let the Dutch go to Idaho.
BTW....
1. Why did you vote for excessive antibiotic use in livestock?
2. Why did you vote against an amend. that would have insured local control of animal feedlots.
3. Why does your enviromental record suck??
Sign up for action alerts...you can act when your scumball legislator plans an assault on the enviroment.
http://www.landstewardshipproject.org/
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,11:48 am |
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1. It should be addressed at the federal level and most people know that, but it's great politics for some.
2. I believe we should have local contol, at the County level. The have the resourses that townships don't have. In Freeborn County we have a feedlot ordanice that is stronger than required by state law and yet the ag community is ok with it. Interesting note, the folks pushing for township control only want that to be one way, ie if a township wanted to allow and earthern lagon (I don't know of any just giving an example) they would not want them to do so.
3. It "sucks" because of who does the scoring. You mentioned the vote in the House and Senate and one looks more partiasian then the other, that is because folks want to use this in the elections.
The worst example of this was in my first term, a vote for the AG bill was scored against me and not againt Senator Piper.
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,12:13 pm |
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What is an earthern lagon? And do you mean the Senate Dems. are trying to make the House Republicans look bad?
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 10 2004,12:35 pm |
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I find it interesting that this cow-sh_t bill got stuck right into the omnibus AG Bill and passed no problem through the senate. If there's a conspiracy theory here I see it as something like Land O' Lakes greasing someones campaign fund(s). They or something like them just love doors being opened for feed-lots, Corporate Farms and weakened regulations. I'd say Farmers and the rural economy really got screwed in 2004 by the House Republicans and the whole damn Senate. FYI...Sparks enviromental record sucks too!
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2004,8:36 pm |
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1st. I don't know that I have every tried to dis-associte my self with Pam. But the problem I have is that you have posted with out knowing, I know of no social function at the Bishop house or organized by them. So I brought it up again only for an example and you still have it wrong. This is about as bad as the people who thought I had a Kaphers billboard taken down. At least Madd Max asked the second time about our possible owning a billboard.
We have done things with them on a socail basis but not sure that is really your business. I would consider her and Kevin friends.
You might want to find a better sourse of info besides the land steward ship crowd. The Minnesota. You stated yourself you are a city girl, which reminds me to point out that the "save the family farm" campaign is trargeted many times at folks who do not live on a farm. FYI most of the runoff in the State does not come from a modern feedlot but rather from older and smaller farms, yet few people talk about this on either side.
Here is another group http://www.mncenter.org/p.asp?WebPage_ID=7
They tend to do policy and not the politics and are one of the largerst groups in the state. I have a very good relationship with them as the director would say, I only vote with them 1/2 the time, but they can get to me with good science.
An earthern lagon is a wasted pit dug in the gound with out a concrete liner. They have been banned for serveral years, but it is a good example to talk about on the township issue. The folks who have lobbied me on the issue are infavor of "local control" but they really mean we want them to have stronger regulations but not weaker. You either believe in the local control or you don't.
What weakend regulations? Corporate farms? You are wrong, there was no change and the only ones allowed are the Minnesota Family Farms Corps of which there are many in Freeborn County.
In Sen Koerings deal, he talks about taking way a competative advantage. What is that advantage in our part of the state. He comes from around Sterns county where they have not seen their dairy farms leave as fast as ours, but it is happening.
So, if this is such great policy, why just farming? Why not tire dealers, restraunts.......?
As for me asking the farmers in the distict, who do you think are members of the MN Corn Growers, Soybean Growers, Pork Producer and so forth are? I would guess that the biggest group of people who donate to me are farmers.
Madd Maxx is right about Seaboard and Corp. farming. But he is wrong about doing the same thing with cows. The Dutch in question would have to live on the farm and work on becoming a permant resident. There is no "corporate farming" in Minnesota other than the family farms corps. But it does make for great politics esp. with people who don't live on the farm.
Dr, the amount of manure you are talking about would be how large of a farm? I don't know if there is any that size anywhere. But you should know, that if you have a feedlot you have to have a manure management plan, you have to have land to be able to apply the manure and don't forget, if you apply manure, you don't have to use as many chemicals.
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Posted on: Oct. 11 2004,11:25 pm |
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| Quote (repdan @ Oct. 11 2004,8:36:pm) | | Madd Maxx is right about Seaboard and Corp. farming. But he is wrong about doing the same thing with cows. |
I believe repdan that as I look back at my post I was asking the question would it be the same as Seaboard. Secondly I grew up on a farm repdan and my parents and grandparents were all farmers so I do know a little about farming, granted farming has changed over the last 50 years but one thing I will tell you is when the hog farmers now empty the pits in there hog buildings and spread it on there fields you really don't want to be down wind. if you can smell what I am talking about.  
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 12 2004,4:44 am |
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100,000 tons of manure was a sarcastic exageration. I refuse to study up on Manure management and you can't make me.
I won't, I won't, I won't.  Besides you're good enough at it,to shovel manure for the both of us!)
| Quote | | An earthern lagon is a wasted pit dug in the gound with out a concrete liner. |
I would have bet money that was a typo! Got me there! 
Yes, I'm a city girl and I didn't want to get into the issue in the first place. But noooooooooo! You had to keep it up.
I must say I learned something though and feel I'm all the wiser for it. Now I'll never forgive you for opening up the door for Corporate farms in MN.
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