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Madd Max 
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,7:50 am |
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| Quote (repdan @ Oct. 08 2004,2:22:pm) | | In this case, the people that want to come here are from Holland, but they could also be from Mexico or a host of other countries. Do they have to have money to come? Yes. That is the deal with the visas. They already exist, just in Minnesota they could come and buy a cheese plant, but not the dairy to produce the milk, they could open a restraunt, but could not own the land to produce the food. They could however, go to Idaho, open the dairy, process the cheese, and then send it too us. I want the production here. |
So in your statement repdan are you telling us that you are in favor of corporate farming here in Minnesota? Do we not try and protect the Family Farm here in Minnesota by NOT allowing corporate farming? 
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,8:27 am |
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This from the Websters Dictionary
Conservative: Person skepical of change, avoiding excesses
Liberal: Generous, Person favoring more civil liberties.
So tell me since when did be a liberal become such a dirty word.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,10:14 am |
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It becomes shallow just like your post not dirty.
Webster Full Definition
Main Entry: 1lib·er·al
Pronunciation: 'li-b(&-)r&l
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin liberalis suitable for a freeman, generous, from liber free; perhaps akin to Old English lEodan to grow, Greek eleutheros free
1 a : of, relating to, or based on the liberal arts <liberal education> b archaic : of or befitting a man of free birth
2 a : marked by generosity : OPENHANDED <a liberal giver> b : given or provided in a generous and openhanded way <a liberal meal> c : AMPLE, FULL
3 obsolete : lacking moral restraint : LICENTIOUS
4 : not literal or strict : LOOSE <a liberal translation>
5 : BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms
6 a : of, favoring, or based upon the principles of liberalism b capitalized : of or constituting a political party advocating or associated with the principles of political liberalism; especially : of or constituting a political party in the United Kingdom associated with ideals of individual especially economic freedom, greater individual participation in government, and constitutional, political, and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,10:29 am |
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Maxx, Corporate farming in Minnesota, the only one's that are allowed are the Minnesota Family Farm Corps.
Maxx, can you tell me how we are better off with these farmers going to Idaho?
Funny thing, must of the farm groups in the state supported the measuere?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,10:32 am |
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Look at the words used in the letter "foreign ownership", or Bombay's foreign corporation, these are all buzz words, used knowingly or unknowingly by some to drive votes away.
I should point out that the Senate was the first to pass the bill, I would guess but don't know that Senator Sparks voted for it. Maxx have you contacted him?
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,11:55 am |
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RepDan; You know full well my intent was not to criticize the law, or you for voting for it. It was to point out that you were dishonest and intentionally misled the readers of this forum.
You have continued to skirt the issue of your dishonesty by defending your vote that was obviously "NOT" the main point of my criticism.
Not once have you addressed the issue of your intentional deception. You were caught in a "lie" that you can't spin your way out of.
I don't believe you are as stupid as you pretend to be. You are simply just a LIAR!
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,12:09 pm |
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| Quote | | Look at the words used in the letter "foreign ownership", or Bombay's foreign corporation, these are all buzz words, used knowingly or unknowingly by some to drive votes away. |
Well it's unknowingly on my part, these "Buzz" words of which you speak. I would assume people knowing how dishonest you are may very well drive votes away!!
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,12:26 pm |
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Well now that you are pushing the issue. It looks to me like it does open the door for Corporate Farming.
House Research Bill Summary
File Number: H.F. 447
Date: March 20, 2003
Version: Second Engrossment
Status: House Floor
Authors: Blaine and Swenson
Subject: Ag land ownership or lease by aliens
OverviewMinnesota alien farm law (like corporate farm law) places restrictions on the persons and entities allowed to have an interest in agricultural land in Minnesota or to engage in the practice of farming. Generally, alien persons or business organizations are allowed to have no more than 20 percent ownership in a farming enterprise. Likewise, a person who is not a citizen of the United States or a "permanent resident alien of the United States" cannot hold an interest in agricultural land, including a leasehold interest. House File 447 amends the alien farm law to allow holders of "E-2" visas to own or lease farm land and engage in farming. The opportunity to acquire or lease land under the bill would last until June 30, 2008. The E-2 visa is issued only to citizens of countries with which the United States has certain treaties. The purpose of an E-2 visa is to allow persons to relocate to a treaty country and make economic investments in the country where they are not citizens.
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Definitions. For purposes of alien farm law, the definition of "permanent resident alien of the United States" is broadened to include a holder of an E-2 investment visa. As with other permanent resident aliens, holders of the E-2 must actually maintain their principal dwelling place within the United States for at least 6 months of every year.
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Determination of alien status. A permanent resident alien, including a holder of an E-2 visa, will now be required to report to the commissioner of agriculture within 30 days after purchasing or leasing agricultural property.
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Aliens and non-American corporations. Creates a permanent grandfathering of farm land purchased or leased by a holder of an E-2 investment visa between the effective date of this act and July 1, 2008, when the new provisions of the law are scheduled to expire.
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Penalty. Expands an existing penalty (for failure of an alien to register) to cover the act of failing to file a report within 30 days of the purchase or lease of farm property.
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Report to the Legislature. Requires the commissioner of agriculture to report to the legislature by February 15, 2008, on the number of E-2 aliens who have used the provisions of section 1 to acquire an interest in Minnesota agricultural land. The report will include acreage and location information.
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Expiration. The amendments to section 1 expire June 30, 2008.
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Effective date. Sections 1 to 6 are effective the day following final enactment.
NOW If you add to it the E-2 Investor Visa rules..........and BANG........Corporate Farms!!
E-2 Visa stuff
http://www.us-immigration-attorney.com/e1-treaty-trader-investor.htm
But that's not the point. You are still a LIAR!
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,12:29 pm |
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This is where "your" BUZZ words come from. You can give up the conspiracy theory now. 
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 09 2004,9:38 pm |
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And the personal attacks do what? At worst, my post is similiar to whet Michael Moore does, and as I recall you seem to favor his work. Ya don't think it might be a party problem. It would appear that bi-partisian to you is when someone aggrees with you, gee it must always be the other guy.
So how does the investment going to Idaho and Calf. help our small dairy farms?
I am guilty of not understanding Gabby's posts and darn proud of it. And to the person who sent me the PM, I will of course have the good taste not to mention your name, but there should have been a pie with the PM.
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