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Posted on: Sep. 13 2019,6:05 am |
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Posted on: Sep. 13 2019,6:10 am |
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^^ apparently you’re not paying attention dipshit
https://www.latimes.com/politic....control
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Posted on: Sep. 13 2019,11:13 pm |
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Who ever put that meme together needs to grow up.
Driving isn't a right.
Beta boy has been going off on confiscating common in use firearms by calling it a mandatory buyback. How can a govt buy back something it never owned in the first place?
If traffic laws kept everyone so safe, there wouldn't be 90 people who die everyday, 3 million per year wouldn't sustain injury and 2 million wouln't have permanent injuries.
The fact is; laws dictate a punishment for a violation. Laws do not and cannot ensure safety. It all boils down to a person being responsible.
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,6:57 am |
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^^I'm not particularly happy about the current political atmosphere.
My chosen candidate Tulsi Gabbard was eliminated from the debates even though she had more individual contributors than some that were allowed to debate. She was the most google searched from the first two debates but didn't make the DNC's polling criteria.
As to Gun Laws, here in Minnesota if you want to buy a pistol or semiautomatic rifle you need to get permit from the local Police/Sheriffs Dept, as well as pass the NICS FBI background at the time of purchase.
I don't consider this to be a big hassle or unconstitutional. I could agree to this becoming Federal law.
I'm going to have to admit some of these Democrat Candidates have gone crazy on gun issues. Sanders seems to be the most reasonable of those left.
I can't win, the Republican are after my Social Security and Medicare the Democrats want my guns.
If I was trustworthy enough to carry an M-14 an M-16 in the Military I should be trustworthy enough to own the civilian equivalent of those rifles if I want.
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,9:34 am |
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 14 2019,6:57 am)
QUOTE ^^I'm not particularly happy about the current political atmosphere.
My chosen candidate Tulsi Gabbard was eliminated from the debates even though she had more individual contributors than some that were allowed to debate. She was the most google searched from the first two debates but didn't make the DNC's polling criteria.
As to Gun Laws, here in Minnesota if you want to buy a pistol or semiautomatic rifle you need to get permit from the local Police/Sheriffs Dept, as well as pass the NICS FBI background at the time of purchase.
I don't consider this to be a big hassle or unconstitutional. I could agree to this becoming Federal law.
I'm going to have to admit some of these Democrat Candidates have gone crazy on gun issues. Sanders seems to be the most reasonable of those left.
I can't win, the Republican are after my Social Security and Medicare the Democrats want my guns.
If I was trustworthy enough to carry an M-14 an M-16 in the Military I should be trustworthy enough to own the civilian equivalent of those rifles if I want.
Unless it has changed over the years since I last lived in MN. One only needed a stupid permit when buying a handgun from an FFL. Rifles and shottys didn't require one.
I'm also not a big fan of requiring a person to get a permit to exercise an enumerated negative right, then expected to also undergo an NICS on top of that. NO, just NO.
The 2nd is a right just as the other individual rights laid out in the Bill of Rights.
Requiring a prerequisite to be met before one can exercise any enumerated negative right is treating said right as a privilege, I would also be against such schemes if it was against the 1st Amendment.
There is one I would probably go along with that a buddy of mine thought up. His idea was to use drivers license or govt issued IDs. Tie in a person's background to the drivers license, and when said person was buying a firearm, the FFL dealer would swipe the drivers license and get matched against the same NICS database one uses to fill out now on the 4473.
Since most people get their DLs before the age of 18, the background check could be done at that time and the same thing when renewing ones DL. Over the course of in between renewals background data could be updated to said person's background, just as it is suppose to be when filling out 4473. Now since most states are suppose to comply with that Real ID law, this could work much better than the patch work of crappy schemes at the state level.
As to the current crop of fascists running on the dem side, I would agree Tulsi is the better more reasoned of the gang.
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My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,1:27 pm |
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^^They already take the number off your drivers license for the form you fill out for the NICS FBI background.
The police also request a copy of you license when you turn in your paperwork for the permit to purchase or permit to carry.
Yeah they got a little more strict on the purchase of semiautomatic rifles like the AR or AK it's the same permit as a pistol now. it's still good for a year and you can purchase either or both whatever you want for a year. No cost for the permit.
If you go the permit to carry route you can use that to purchase and it's good for five years. But then you have to spend $70 for the class and another $100 when you file your paperwork at the Sheriff's Office.
They also passed some Saturday Night Special Law that bans certain cheap end handguns from sale in Minnesota.
Gabbard was also pushing a ban but on her bill we'd be grandfathered in, some of these other politicians are talking confiscation.
At any rate we've been Lucky in Minnesota we haven't had the rash of mass shootings the rest of the country has had IF these laws in Minnesota help it's not a big price to pay.
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,8:09 pm |
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^^ $100 for your permit? My county only charges $50 because our sheriff thought the county was collecting an absorbent amount. It’s wonderful to live in a conservative and well run county 
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,8:20 pm |
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Interesting article
https://medium.com/s....7d10437
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Sep. 14 2019,9:00 pm |
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(Expatriate @ Sep. 14 2019,1:27 pm)
QUOTE ^^They already take the number off your drivers license for the form you fill out for the NICS FBI background.
The police also request a copy of you license when you turn in your paperwork for the permit to purchase or permit to carry.
Yeah they got a little more strict on the purchase of semiautomatic rifles like the AR or AK it's the same permit as a pistol now. it's still good for a year and you can purchase either or both whatever you want for a year. No cost for the permit.
If you go the permit to carry route you can use that to purchase and it's good for five years. But then you have to spend $70 for the class and another $100 when you file your paperwork at the Sheriff's Office.
They also pasted some Saturday Night Special Law that bans certain cheap end handguns from sale in Minnesota.
Gabbard was also pushing a ban but on her bill we'd be grandfathered in, some of these other politicians are talking confiscation.
At any rate we've been Lucky in Minnesota we haven't had the rash of mass shootings the rest of the country has had IF these laws in Minnesota help it's not a big price to pay.
The idea would do away with bgc all together when purchasing from a FFL dealer, since it's all been done at the back end. Walk in, pick out firearm, FFL dealer swipes the DL at the till, few seconds later info pops up on the screen and displays a "GO" or "NO GO" sale. If a "GO" sale pops up, customer pays, and goes home.
Well that sucks MN went that route. Where I live, I walk into LGS, pick out firearm, do the stupid bgc stuff, pay and walk out.
Hell don't even need a permit to open carry, only need a stupid permit to conceal carry. This is much preferable than what MN does.
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*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Posted on: Sep. 15 2019,7:06 am |
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 14 2019,8:09 pm)
QUOTE ^^ $100 for your permit? My county only charges $50 because our sheriff thought the county was collecting an absorbent amount. It’s wonderful to live in a conservative and well run county
I'm not sure on the $100 but that's the maximum they're allowed to charge.
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QUOTE The idea would do away with bgc all together when purchasing from a FFL dealer, since it's all been done at the back end. Walk in, pick out firearm, FFL dealer swipes the DL at the till, few seconds later info pops up on the screen and displays a "GO" or "NO GO" sale. If a "GO" sale pops up, customer pays, and goes home.
I understand what you're saying about the convenience of using a driver's license as a qualified identification for purchase.
I could see Firearms Purchase as a separate endorsement like CDL or Motorcycle.
I understand we'll soon need a REAL ID-compliant driver's license to travel or fly anyway. The real ID must have some sort of background research capability..
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