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busybee 
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Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,11:38 pm |
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Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,10:01 am
QUOTE What I don't understand is why this guys girlfriend kept going back to this guy for more beatings. It's hard to feel sorry for her. I'm not saying what this crazy guy did was ok.
That's the question that most people always ask about domestic violence situations. Why do they stay/go back for more, ect...
It's really all about the amount of "power and control" an abuser threatens and convinces a victim and/or others into believing is true that either will happen if they leave them or will happen if they don't go back to them.
Don't feel sorry for any victim of domestic violence and abuse...the majority of real victims do not want that. What they want is for others to understand that they have never and would never treat their abuser the way he/she treats them, even though the majority chooses to blame them for 1/2 of whatever their abuser is chooses to do them.
QUOTE Most law enforcement officers will tell you to just call 911 and report this behavior A.S.A.P as it can be a very deadly situation for all involved.
Some law enforcement officers care about domestic violence situations and some don't.
In this particular case...a public display of domestic violence at a public place such as Hy-Vee is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue...not necessarily a "commonly dangerous" domestic violence issue that has the he said/she said drama that typically happens with no witnesses in the privacy of a home.
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hymiebravo
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,8:35 am |
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Hymie-
QUOTE Also there are many reasons behind why people get involved in these little civil wars.
busybee-
QUOTE What are those reasons?
My point there is that it isn't always altruistic. A male who attempts to intervene to save a damsel in distress, quite often does so with the idea that some kind of physical reciprocity is going to come his way.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
Also it's more than likely not really that pertinent to a sort of extremely rare case: Such as this small-town Albert Lea supermarket incident.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
Need some evidence of a non altruistically motivated "hero"? QUOTE Hero Fire
Lanesboro, MN: (Feb-01-08) Several plaintiffs brought a civil suit against the city of Lanesboro and its former police chief John Tuchek, alleging that Tuchek started a fire behind Little River General Store. The suit claimed that testimony given during Tuchek's arson trial showed he had started the fire behind Little River General Store as "hero fire," so he could rescue his girlfriend, who lived upstairs. Severe damage resulted as the fire destroyed the building. Plaintiffs in the civil suit stated that the city of Lanesboro was negligent in its hiring of Tuchek as a police officer and police chief.
Sources close to the case stated that as part of a settlement reached, the city agreed to a $225,000 payout to all plaintiffs in their civil suit against the city. Tuchek was convicted of first-degree arson. Records show that the suit was brought by Rodney Cockrum, Michael DuBois, Tonya DuBois, Kirstin Mensing, Charles St. Mane, Jeff St. Mane, Mary St. Mane and Ted St. Mane.
Need some evidence of how dangerous so called domestic disputes can be? QUOTE On Monday, Dec. 19, Lake City police responded to a domestic disturbance call when Schneider was shot in the head.
After a daylong standoff with the suspected shooter, Alan John Sylte Jr., officers found the 25-year-old Sylte dead inside the home.
Schneider was transported to St. Marys in Rochester where he remained in critical condition until Friday night.
The Wabasha County sheriff's office says Schneider died at 5:30 p.m. Friday.
Schneider was a nine-year veteran of the Lake City police department.
He was 32 years old. He leaves behind a wife and three young children.
Funeral arrangements are pending.
QUOTE There was only ONE person who was creating chaos and sorrow...anyone else, including this grandpa...did NOTHING WRONG by trying to STOP him.
That's your opinion.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
QUOTE I highly doubt this grandpa was intending
It doesn't matter what he was intending. It's the end result that matters, in a situation like this. IMO
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hymiebravo
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,8:44 am |
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(busybee @ Apr. 17 2012,11:55 pm)
QUOTE fredbear Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,9:36 am \ QUOTE I think it's pretty safe to say you couldn't count on Hymie to help out in any kind of situation that would be uncomfortable for him. Or if he had maybe a half hour to do a pro/con list of why he should help out in a moment of extreme need. I wouldn't go that far Fredbear...Hymie's ability to challenge the dangerous outcome of becoming involved in a domestic violence dispute doesn't make him an uncaring or unreasonable person in my opinion either.
Who really cares what the the heckling troll posts.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
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fredbear
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,9:17 am |
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Bawahaha - it's just too easy.
Apparently you care because you "parsed" my earlier post. I can explain the post to you if you don't understand. Actually, I'm guessing everyone else here could explain it to you, also.
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Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,10:16 am |
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I'll have to agree with Hymen on the point that domestic brawls are the worst to break up. When I worked in the bars years ago I hated breaking up domestics, restrain the guy and his girlfriend jumps on your back, or worse.
Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through. 
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Posted on: Apr. 19 2012,11:10 am |
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^ no no, I wear boxers 
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