Topic: Customer at HyVee goes crazy.
started by: Ajax
Posted by Ajax on Apr. 13 2012,8:57 am
This guy is a animal. 
http://www.albertleatribune.com/2012/04/12/man-reportedly-fights-police-medics/
Man reportedly fights police, medics
Published 10:16am Thursday, April 12, 2012
A Northwood, Iowa, man is facing multiple charges after he allegedly hit his girlfriend while in Albert’s Lea Hy-Vee and then assaulted others who tried to step in.
Phillip Patrick Drozda, 40, is also accused of assaulting a police officer who responded at the scene and spitting in the face of a paramedic.
Phillip Patrick Drozda
The incident reportedly took place Friday evening.
According to court documents, one witness told police he had heard Drozda arguing at the service counter with his girlfriend when Drozda reportedly hit the woman in the face with his left hand.
He then reportedly left the store, got into a gold-colored Pontiac Grand Prix, drove out of the parking lot and then up to the front entrance. He reportedly spun his tires and took off forward as the girlfriend tried to get in the car.
After doing this several times, Drozda got out of the car and his girlfriend sat down in the driver’s seat of the car, according to the witness.
The witness alleges Drozda hit the woman several more times. The witness yelled at Drozda to get his attention.
A second witness who was with her husband and granddaughter said her husband tired to help restrain Drozda, but while doing so Drozda reportedly pushed him and their granddaughter to the ground and began kicking her husband.
The woman tried to step in and pushed Drozda, but the man reportedly pushed her back and punched her in the face.
Drozda ultimately fled by foot southward into the parking lot of Northbridge Mall toward Shoe Sensation, where an officer found him.
Court documents state when officers and paramedics arrived, Drozda reportedly attempted to spit in the face of the paramedic and then allegedly kicked the officer at least eight to 10 times in the groin and then also in the back, arms, upper arms and even face.
Drozda has been charged with seven counts:
• Felony domestic assault.
• Fifth-degree assault involving two or more convictions in three years.
• Fourth-degree assault of a peace officer.
• Obstructing the legal process by interfering with a peace officer.
• Fourth-degree intentional damage to property.
• Domestic abuse, violating order for protection.
• Domestic abuse, violating order for protection while possessing a dangerous weapon.
He reportedly smelled of alcohol when he was arrested.
He faces a maximum of five years in prison on the most severe charges.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 13 2012,11:30 am
There are a lot of people out there like this, ticking time bombs, waiting for that one instant where the emotional meter redlines negative, and there's just enough ETOH in the blood, and off we go.I'm glad a lot of people chose to get involved. That's the upside to all this nonsense.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 13 2012,11:33 am
People like that should just be "put down" 
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 13 2012,12:55 pm
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He faces a maximum of five years in prison on the most severe charges.
The sentence will more likely read: One year (suspended), probation 1-2 years, with provisions of no alcohol/drug use, attend anger management therapy, etc., etc.
All the while, the assaulted girlfriend probably stays with him.
He'll violate his probation soon enough, and they'll execute the rest of his sentence. Reset to beginning and repeat.
Or, he may learn something from this experience, and shape up. It does happen, but not very often.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 13 2012,3:52 pm
or she'll end up dead.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 13 2012,4:18 pm
Has anyone seen a cop with an ice pack on his groin? 
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 14 2012,9:42 am
Maybe it was those low prices of the 3 Day Sale that caused him to become unhinged. Those low prices are madness I tell you!
Posted by busybee on Apr. 14 2012,3:38 pm
The question I have is WHY and WHAT is it that ever made this ONE person believe they are entitled to hurt anyone else in the first place...whether it be his girlfriend/a law enforcement officer, a concerned citizen...ect...? Was he "born" with the belief that he is entitled to hurt another person if things aren't going his way, or is this entitled to "harm" others when he's having bad day something that has been created and caused by others because this type of behavior is excused and tolerated?
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 14 2012,4:09 pm
The guy's obviously the product of a dysfunctional family. Either dad hit the sauce and beat him mercilessly, or one of mom's boyfriends did after the divorce. The lessons learned there subconsciously come to the surface when a person is stressed.Like I said, add a cocktail of, say, alcohol and/or meth to the mix, and look out, Charlie.
Posted by Ajax on Apr. 14 2012,6:28 pm
(grassman @ Apr. 13 2012,4:18 pm)
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Has anyone seen a cop with an ice pack on his groin?
No , but I bet the police department ordered a case of these.
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Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 15 2012,11:20 am
This wasn't real sound judgement: QUOTE
A second witness who was with her husband and granddaughter said her husband tired to help restrain Drozda, but while doing so Drozda reportedly pushed him and their granddaughter to the ground and began kicking her husband.
That almost seems like borderline, if not full on, child endangerment.
I don't care how much of a hero you want to be. When you are dealing with something like this it can be very dangerous.
Why do you think so called domestic disputes are considered such dangerous situations.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time. Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 15 2012,4:54 pm
Botto 82 · Posted on Apr. 14 2012,4:09 pmQUOTE
The guy's obviously the product of a dysfunctional family. Either dad hit the sauce and beat him mercilessly, or one of mom's boyfriends did after the divorce. The lessons learned there subconsciously come to the surface when a person is stressed.
Then why don't all people who grow up in dysfunctional homes act like that? And...there are those people who grew up in a "functional" homes who do, regardless of their "good" upbringing?
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Like I said, add a cocktail of, say, alcohol and/or meth to the mix, and look out, Charlie.
Chemicals can enhance the behaviors, but it's my belief that the poor behavior must already be present for it to "come out" during chemical use.
Some people physically harm others without the presence of chemicals in their system and many more people use chemicals (such as alcohol) and never hurt another person.
There just seems to be some who truly believe they are entitled to inflict harm upon others when they aren't getting their way and it is rare if ever that can be fixed with treatment programs, therapy, incarceration, probation, fines, ect...
Posted by busybee on Apr. 15 2012,4:57 pm
Self-Banished Posted on: Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm QUOTE
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 15 2012,5:12 pm
busybee quote:QUOTE
There just seems to be some who truly believe they are entitled to inflict harm upon others when they aren't getting their way and it is rare if ever that can be fixed with treatment programs, therapy, incarceration, probation, fines, ect...
Leopards don’t change their spots, he was like this from day one, why is it women are attracted to the BAD BOY types... end result is always pain..
It’s obvious this guy can’t control testosterone, he’s far to quick to rage, there’s a cure for that, neuter the S.O.B.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 15 2012,8:03 pm
I think it's highly doubtful women are attracted to men who hurt them, or as you call them, "bad boys." It's really no different than making an assertion that if a business owner hires someone who later steals from them, that must mean the business owner is attracted to people who are thieves.
Posted by am I invisible? on Apr. 16 2012,12:40 am
Ok, so how many people would intervene like the grandparents did? Hats off to them. HyVee's parking lot always has alot of people out and about during the afternoon and these are the only ones that got involved??? Let's say thanks to them or there might have been a murder that happened. It might have gone that far, once things unfolded after that event. Domestic abuse, as sick as it is... happens. I'm glad that creep didn't get away with it this time anyway. Any person that looses their cool in a public place, and then, lets say takes it on the road, puts everyone in danger. It won't be pretty for sure.
Posted by Botto 82 on Apr. 16 2012,3:49 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm)
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A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
What he said.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 16 2012,8:28 am
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Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 16 2012,8:41 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm)
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A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
I'm not necessarily saying that this guy in particular wanted to be a hero.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 16 2012,9:06 am
^again,and I'm sure there'll be more times in the future,the word pathetic comes to mind when Hymen posts.
Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 16 2012,10:00 am
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I'm not necessarily saying that this guy in particular wanted to be a hero.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 16 2012,10:07 pm
hymiebravo · Posted on Apr. 16 2012,8:41 amQUOTE
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm)
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
I'm not necessarily saying that this guy in particular wanted to be a hero.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
What you seem to be saying is that "maybe" things should/could have been done differently by everyone else who was directly impacted, involved and/or witnessed this case, IF they acted or reacted in a specific way.
Those people who assisted in any way, shape or form to STOP the insanity of ONE PERSON deserve to be applauded, not ripped apart because it.
Just my honest opinion!
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 17 2012,8:26 am
(busybee @ Apr. 16 2012,10:07 pm)
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hymiebravo · Posted on Apr. 16 2012,8:41 am
I'm not necessarily saying that this guy in particular wanted to be a hero.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
What you seem to be saying is that "maybe" things should/could have been done differently by everyone else who was directly impacted, involved and/or witnessed this case, IF they acted or reacted in a specific way.
Those people who assisted in any way, shape or form to STOP the insanity of ONE PERSON deserve to be applauded, not ripped apart because it.
Just my honest opinion!
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 15 2012,1:11 pm)
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
A hero isn't a hero because they want to be, a hero is a hero because they act like a hero, no thinking of the consequences, or of the rewards. They act because someone needs them or the situation calls for it. The girl was in truoble, she needed help and the guy reacted. I'm betting he wasn't thinking about wanting to be a hero at the time.
Your thinking the guy wanted glory reveals your charecter Hymen.
I'm not necessarily saying that this guy in particular wanted to be a hero.
Plus since I wasn't there: I don't know how old the "grand-kid" was. Maybe they weren't a little kid. Maybe they were 30 years old. Which would make the grandparents probably all that much less likely to be able to effectively intervene.
There are a lot of factors and variables that have to be weighed in each situation.
If you have a small child with you. Bringing them into harms way isn't a very sound idea. IMO
If the guy is 340 pounds 6' 7" and you are quite a bit shy of that. Throwing yourself in front of the car or trying to subdue him yourself, isn't a very helpful thing to do either.
Being a hero in a case like that might just be getting a usable license plate ID.
Also if you think that guys don't try to be hero's to win the affection of the opposite sex. Particularly in the case of trying to protect the so called fairer sex.
You're either naive, or not that bright, or both.
Again I'm not saying that that has anything to do with this case.
What you seem to be saying is that "maybe" things should/could have been done differently by everyone else who was directly impacted, involved and/or witnessed this case, IF they acted or reacted in a specific way.
Those people who assisted in any way, shape or form to STOP the insanity of ONE PERSON deserve to be applauded, not ripped apart because it.
Just my honest opinion!
I'm just fleshing out the fact that a domestic dispute can be a very dangerous situation.
Also there are many reasons behind why people get involved in these little civil wars.
Many times people wind up dead as a result of their attempted intervention.
You better really be thinking about what you're doing before you jump into that type of fray.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 17 2012,8:29 am
Maybe all you name callers should point out why possibly having the grandparent or the grand-kid die, in a situation like this, is a good idea. The grandparents responsibility is to make sure their grand-kids are safe.
That's how they become a hero in a situation like this.
Not dragging them into a battlefield.
By doing that, you're just creating the potential for more chaos and sorrow. IMO
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 17 2012,9:31 am
^did we get our feelings hurt???
Posted by fredbear on Apr. 17 2012,9:36 am
I think it's pretty safe to say you couldn't count on Hymie to help out in any kind of situation that would be uncomfortable for him. Or if he had maybe a half hour to do a pro/con list of why he should help out in a moment of extreme need.
Posted by Ajax on Apr. 17 2012,10:01 am
What I don't understand is why this guys girlfriend kept going back to this guy for more beatings. It's hard to feel sorry for her. I'm not saying what this crazy guy did was ok.Most law enforcement officers will tell you to just call 911 and report this behavior A.S.A.P as it can be a very deadly situation for all involved.
Posted by Expatriate on Apr. 17 2012,10:18 am
Posted by busybee on Apr. 17 2012,10:20 pm
hymiebravo Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,8:26 am
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I'm just fleshing out the fact that a domestic dispute can be a very dangerous situation.
I agree with you...
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Also there are many reasons behind why people get involved in these little civil wars.
What are those reasons?
I can only hope that you mean that people get involved because they truly recognize the problems of domestic violence/abuse.
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Many times people wind up dead as a result of their attempted intervention.
Unfortunately, more children who are being exposed to domestic abuse and violence in their home in the U.S. are more apt to wind up dead because they intervened in trying to protect one parent from being hurt by their other parent/ parent's significant other, than any other ADULT person or non-related child ever has to worry about if they were to "intervene" and try to stop it.
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You better really be thinking about what you're doing before you jump into that type of fray.
People sign up every day to fight in the U.S. Armed Forces against people like this in other countries who harm their own people or want to come here and harm us.
Do they do it just for the money or to be a hero? Or is it possible that they might jump into that type of fray because they care about protecting the innocent from entitlement driven abusive/violent insane control freaks?
hymiebravo · Posted on Apr. 17 2012,8:29 am
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Maybe all you name callers should point out why possibly having the grandparent or the grand-kid die, in a situation like this, is a good idea.
I haven't called you any names.
The grandparent didn't die and neither did the grand-kid, so why make this the most important issue to dwell on because it's a possibility, yet didn't happen?
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The grandparents responsibility is to make sure their grand-kids are safe.
That's how they become a hero in a situation like this.
Not dragging them into a battlefield.
By doing that, you're just creating the potential for more chaos and sorrow. IMO
That's how they become a hero in a situation like this.
Not dragging them into a battlefield.
By doing that, you're just creating the potential for more chaos and sorrow. IMO
There's another side to this as far as I am concerned.
Maybe that grandpa was thinking, "If that was my granddaughter being harmed by a man, this is what I would want another grandpa to do because I'm not there to protect her myself."
I highly doubt this grandpa was intending to create the potential for more chaos and sorrow for anyone, including his own grandchild.
There was only ONE person who was creating chaos and sorrow...anyone else, including this grandpa...did NOTHING WRONG by trying to STOP him.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 17 2012,11:38 pm
Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,10:01 am QUOTE
What I don't understand is why this guys girlfriend kept going back to this guy for more beatings. It's hard to feel sorry for her. I'm not saying what this crazy guy did was ok.
That's the question that most people always ask about domestic violence situations. Why do they stay/go back for more, ect...
It's really all about the amount of "power and control" an abuser threatens and convinces a victim and/or others into believing is true that either will happen if they leave them or will happen if they don't go back to them.
Don't feel sorry for any victim of domestic violence and abuse...the majority of real victims do not want that. What they want is for others to understand that they have never and would never treat their abuser the way he/she treats them, even though the majority chooses to blame them for 1/2 of whatever their abuser is chooses to do them.
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Most law enforcement officers will tell you to just call 911 and report this behavior A.S.A.P as it can be a very deadly situation for all involved.
Some law enforcement officers care about domestic violence situations and some don't.
In this particular case...a public display of domestic violence at a public place such as Hy-Vee is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue...not necessarily a "commonly dangerous" domestic violence issue that has the he said/she said drama that typically happens with no witnesses in the privacy of a home.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 17 2012,11:55 pm
fredbearPosted on: Apr. 17 2012,9:36 am \
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I think it's pretty safe to say you couldn't count on Hymie to help out in any kind of situation that would be uncomfortable for him. Or if he had maybe a half hour to do a pro/con list of why he should help out in a moment of extreme need.
I wouldn't go that far Fredbear...Hymie's ability to challenge the dangerous outcome of becoming involved in a domestic violence dispute doesn't make him an uncaring or unreasonable person in my opinion either.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 18 2012,8:35 am
Hymie-QUOTE
Also there are many reasons behind why people get involved in these little civil wars.
busybee-
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What are those reasons?
My point there is that it isn't always altruistic. A male who attempts to intervene to save a damsel in distress, quite often does so with the idea that some kind of physical reciprocity is going to come his way.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
Also it's more than likely not really that pertinent to a sort of extremely rare case: Such as this small-town Albert Lea supermarket incident.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
Need some evidence of a non altruistically motivated "hero"?
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Hero Fire
Lanesboro, MN: (Feb-01-08) Several plaintiffs brought a civil suit against the city of Lanesboro and its former police chief John Tuchek, alleging that Tuchek started a fire behind Little River General Store. The suit claimed that testimony given during Tuchek's arson trial showed he had started the fire behind Little River General Store as "hero fire," so he could rescue his girlfriend, who lived upstairs. Severe damage resulted as the fire destroyed the building. Plaintiffs in the civil suit stated that the city of Lanesboro was negligent in its hiring of Tuchek as a police officer and police chief.
Sources close to the case stated that as part of a settlement reached, the city agreed to a $225,000 payout to all plaintiffs in their civil suit against the city. Tuchek was convicted of first-degree arson. Records show that the suit was brought by Rodney Cockrum, Michael DuBois, Tonya DuBois, Kirstin Mensing, Charles St. Mane, Jeff St. Mane, Mary St. Mane and Ted St. Mane.
Lanesboro, MN: (Feb-01-08) Several plaintiffs brought a civil suit against the city of Lanesboro and its former police chief John Tuchek, alleging that Tuchek started a fire behind Little River General Store. The suit claimed that testimony given during Tuchek's arson trial showed he had started the fire behind Little River General Store as "hero fire," so he could rescue his girlfriend, who lived upstairs. Severe damage resulted as the fire destroyed the building. Plaintiffs in the civil suit stated that the city of Lanesboro was negligent in its hiring of Tuchek as a police officer and police chief.
Sources close to the case stated that as part of a settlement reached, the city agreed to a $225,000 payout to all plaintiffs in their civil suit against the city. Tuchek was convicted of first-degree arson. Records show that the suit was brought by Rodney Cockrum, Michael DuBois, Tonya DuBois, Kirstin Mensing, Charles St. Mane, Jeff St. Mane, Mary St. Mane and Ted St. Mane.
Need some evidence of how dangerous so called domestic disputes can be?
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On Monday, Dec. 19, Lake City police responded to a domestic disturbance call when Schneider was shot in the head.
After a daylong standoff with the suspected shooter, Alan John Sylte Jr., officers found the 25-year-old Sylte dead inside the home.
Schneider was transported to St. Marys in Rochester where he remained in critical condition until Friday night.
The Wabasha County sheriff's office says Schneider died at 5:30 p.m. Friday.
Schneider was a nine-year veteran of the Lake City police department.
He was 32 years old. He leaves behind a wife and three young children.
Funeral arrangements are pending.
After a daylong standoff with the suspected shooter, Alan John Sylte Jr., officers found the 25-year-old Sylte dead inside the home.
Schneider was transported to St. Marys in Rochester where he remained in critical condition until Friday night.
The Wabasha County sheriff's office says Schneider died at 5:30 p.m. Friday.
Schneider was a nine-year veteran of the Lake City police department.
He was 32 years old. He leaves behind a wife and three young children.
Funeral arrangements are pending.
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There was only ONE person who was creating chaos and sorrow...anyone else, including this grandpa...did NOTHING WRONG by trying to STOP him.
That's your opinion.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
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I highly doubt this grandpa was intending
It doesn't matter what he was intending. It's the end result that matters, in a situation like this. IMO
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 18 2012,8:44 am
(busybee @ Apr. 17 2012,11:55 pm)
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fredbear
Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,9:36 am \
I wouldn't go that far Fredbear...Hymie's ability to challenge the dangerous outcome of becoming involved in a domestic violence dispute doesn't make him an uncaring or unreasonable person in my opinion either.
Posted on: Apr. 17 2012,9:36 am \
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I think it's pretty safe to say you couldn't count on Hymie to help out in any kind of situation that would be uncomfortable for him. Or if he had maybe a half hour to do a pro/con list of why he should help out in a moment of extreme need.
I wouldn't go that far Fredbear...Hymie's ability to challenge the dangerous outcome of becoming involved in a domestic violence dispute doesn't make him an uncaring or unreasonable person in my opinion either.
Who really cares what the the heckling troll posts.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
Posted by fredbear on Apr. 18 2012,9:17 am
Bawahaha - it's just too easy. Apparently you care because you "parsed" my earlier post. I can explain the post to you if you don't understand. Actually, I'm guessing everyone else here could explain it to you, also.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 18 2012,10:16 am
I'll have to agree with Hymen on the point that domestic brawls are the worst to break up. When I worked in the bars years ago I hated breaking up domestics, restrain the guy and his girlfriend jumps on your back, or worse.Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 19 2012,8:17 am
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Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through.
In your usual frantic frontal tourettesque fashion to blurt something negative out:You totally misinterpret the text.
Maybe you should just go back to downloading pictures of fat guys in bikini underwear. Instead of fouling up another thread here.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2012,9:29 am
(hymiebravo @ Apr. 19 2012,8:17 am)
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Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through.
In your usual frantic frontal tourettesque fashion to blurt something negative out:You totally misinterpret the text.
Maybe you should just go back to downloading pictures of fat guys in bikini underwear. Instead of fouling up another thread here.
But that pic was of you!!! My inspiration,the guiding light in the universe!
As far as interpreting your text, I guess I'll have to fess up and tell you that I was never any good at understanding bullcrap.
Posted by alcitizens on Apr. 19 2012,10:59 am
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Maybe you should just go back to downloading pictures of fat guys in bikini underwear. Instead of fouling up another thread here.
Doesn't Self-Banished look nice in his swimwear??
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2012,11:10 am
^ no no, I wear boxers
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 19 2012,3:28 pm
OK Hymen, Alky, let's put you into the scenario. Either of you, pretend you're the girl(I'm bettin' both of you have actually pretended this before) and your boyfriend is slapping you around in the parking lot of Wally World. Wouldn't you want someone to step up? To at least distract your attacker if not just For an instance?
Posted by busybee on Apr. 19 2012,11:15 pm
hymiebravo · Posted on Apr. 18 2012,8:35 amQUOTE
My point there is that it isn't always altruistic. A male who attempts to intervene to save a damsel in distress, quite often does so with the idea that some kind of physical reciprocity is going to come his way.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
Seems to me you're attempting to speak for all men and what they think/want/intend, ect... when really the only person you can speak for is yourself.
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Also it's more than likely not really that pertinent to a sort of extremely rare case: Such as this small-town Albert Lea supermarket incident.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
Domestic abuse/violence situations normally occur in the privacy of a home and rarely occur in public.
Problems at bars are typical in their own nature due to the environment...people often fight in bars, for a lot of reasons other than just the one you're choosing to focus on.
QUOTE
Need some evidence of a non altruistically motivated "hero"?'
There's a big difference between a man starting a fire to falsify himself as a hero with the intention that he will win the girl and a grandpa at Hy-Vee who intervened with the intention to help the girl because another man was intentionally harming her.
QUOTE
Need some evidence of how dangerous so called domestic disputes can be?
I donated to the family of this Lake City law enforcement officer as I mentioned in another thread on here.
What makes me the most sad about this case is the "victim"broke up with and left her abuser and had moved away from him. This is exactly what everyone in U.S. Society says is the best way to STOP an abuser's abuse and violence.
What this man did was STALK HER because he decided not only did she have no right to leave him, no one else dared stand in his way to get her back...dead or alive. He believed he was entitled to harm her or anyone else who "got" in the way of what he wanted.
That's why statistics have been proven over and over again that the most dangerous time for a victim and others who want to help the victim, is when the abuser realizes their victim is planning on leaving them or has left them.
Abusive people do not tolerate any loss of control of their victim or anyone who supports them.
And...people wonder why it isn't easy for them to just walk out of a relationship with someone who they know is capable of killing them or someone else if they do!?
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That's your opinion.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
It sounds like you would have been happy if anyone/everyone who was witnessing and/or reporting this man beating on a woman in public...would have just ignored it as if they didn't see it...and then later if they found her dead in the Hy-Vee parking lot, you would sleep better at night because at least it was her and not anyone else.
QUOTE
It doesn't matter what he was intending. It's the end result that matters, in a situation like this. IMO
And you believe the Grandpa was wrong for caring about someone other than himself and/or his grandchild even though the end result was not "bad" for either of them.
Posted by busybee on Apr. 19 2012,11:30 pm
hymiebravo Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,8:44 am QUOTE
Who really cares what the the heckling troll posts.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
I'm willing to read & respond to anyone's opinion on here, and choose to do so respectfully.
Thus, no matter what you're issues are with others on here or theirs with you, I'm not interested in becoming involved in it.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 20 2012,7:09 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 19 2012,3:28 pm)
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OK Hymen, Alky, let's put you into the scenario.
Lets' not. Why don't you go to your fat guys in underwear site and see if you can get any of your buddies to play with you, there.
That's all your bag. Don't try and get anyone here to go along with your depraved crap.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 20 2012,7:18 am
(busybee @ Apr. 19 2012,11:30 pm)
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hymiebravo Posted on: Apr. 18 2012,8:44 am
I'm willing to read & respond to anyone's opinion on here, and choose to do so respectfully.
Thus, no matter what you're issues are with others on here or theirs with you, I'm not interested in becoming involved in it.
QUOTE
Who really cares what the the heckling troll posts.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
If you parse what he/she typed it doesn't really even make any sense.
He and the shiny turd probably bonded while in some type of remedial education class way back when.
Their Tourette syndromesque/frontal based postings don't accomplish anything other than dragging down the overall I.Q. quotient of the forum.
And as such add no appreciable value here at all.
I'm willing to read & respond to anyone's opinion on here, and choose to do so respectfully.
Thus, no matter what you're issues are with others on here or theirs with you, I'm not interested in becoming involved in it.
Well this is a public forum. So anything anyone writes here IS subject to having someone interject--and add their 2 cents worth.
But if you don't want to get involved. As you have stated here.
Commenting on it isn't really the best strategy for achieving that particular end result. IMO
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 20 2012,7:36 am
(busybee @ Apr. 19 2012,11:15 pm)
QUOTE
hymiebravo · Posted on Apr. 18 2012,8:35 am
Seems to me you're attempting to speak for all men and what they think/want/intend, ect... when really the only person you can speak for is yourself.
Domestic abuse/violence situations normally occur in the privacy of a home and rarely occur in public.
Problems at bars are typical in their own nature due to the environment...people often fight in bars, for a lot of reasons other than just the one you're choosing to focus on.
There's a big difference between a man starting a fire to falsify himself as a hero with the intention that he will win the girl and a grandpa at Hy-Vee who intervened with the intention to help the girl because another man was intentionally harming her.
I donated to the family of this Lake City law enforcement officer as I mentioned in another thread on here.
What makes me the most sad about this case is the "victim"broke up with and left her abuser and had moved away from him. This is exactly what everyone in U.S. Society says is the best way to STOP an abuser's abuse and violence.
What this man did was STALK HER because he decided not only did she have no right to leave him, no one else dared stand in his way to get her back...dead or alive. He believed he was entitled to harm her or anyone else who "got" in the way of what he wanted.
That's why statistics have been proven over and over again that the most dangerous time for a victim and others who want to help the victim, is when the abuser realizes their victim is planning on leaving them or has left them.
Abusive people do not tolerate any loss of control of their victim or anyone who supports them.
And...people wonder why it isn't easy for them to just walk out of a relationship with someone who they know is capable of killing them or someone else if they do!?
It sounds like you would have been happy if anyone/everyone who was witnessing and/or reporting this man beating on a woman in public...would have just ignored it as if they didn't see it...and then later if they found her dead in the Hy-Vee parking lot, you would sleep better at night because at least it was her and not anyone else.
And you believe the Grandpa was wrong for caring about someone other than himself and/or his grandchild even though the end result was not "bad" for either of them.
QUOTE
My point there is that it isn't always altruistic. A male who attempts to intervene to save a damsel in distress, quite often does so with the idea that some kind of physical reciprocity is going to come his way.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
For the git 'er done crowd:
A male will step into to save a women in the hopes that he will get a peck on the cheek. To put it nicely.
Although men are kind of hardwired to be always seeking out that angle with just about everything they do.
Whether they are conscious of it or not. So it isn't something that is exclusive to a male trying to save a women who is being physically abused.
But nonetheless it occurs in those circumstances just the same.
Seems to me you're attempting to speak for all men and what they think/want/intend, ect... when really the only person you can speak for is yourself.
QUOTE
Also it's more than likely not really that pertinent to a sort of extremely rare case: Such as this small-town Albert Lea supermarket incident.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
But since the vague diatribe of what a hero is was so richly applauded. I see no reason why we can't expand on the overall subject as well.
Plus in the places where you see this kind of thing normally happen: Like for example in a bar. That physical reciprocity factor usually plays a major role.
Domestic abuse/violence situations normally occur in the privacy of a home and rarely occur in public.
Problems at bars are typical in their own nature due to the environment...people often fight in bars, for a lot of reasons other than just the one you're choosing to focus on.
QUOTE
Need some evidence of a non altruistically motivated "hero"?'
There's a big difference between a man starting a fire to falsify himself as a hero with the intention that he will win the girl and a grandpa at Hy-Vee who intervened with the intention to help the girl because another man was intentionally harming her.
QUOTE
Need some evidence of how dangerous so called domestic disputes can be?
I donated to the family of this Lake City law enforcement officer as I mentioned in another thread on here.
What makes me the most sad about this case is the "victim"broke up with and left her abuser and had moved away from him. This is exactly what everyone in U.S. Society says is the best way to STOP an abuser's abuse and violence.
What this man did was STALK HER because he decided not only did she have no right to leave him, no one else dared stand in his way to get her back...dead or alive. He believed he was entitled to harm her or anyone else who "got" in the way of what he wanted.
That's why statistics have been proven over and over again that the most dangerous time for a victim and others who want to help the victim, is when the abuser realizes their victim is planning on leaving them or has left them.
Abusive people do not tolerate any loss of control of their victim or anyone who supports them.
And...people wonder why it isn't easy for them to just walk out of a relationship with someone who they know is capable of killing them or someone else if they do!?
QUOTE
That's your opinion.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
Mine:
1. More sirens, more tied up resources and personnel isn't helping anyone.
2. Making yourself a human speed-bump, or possibly causing the fatality of somebodies kid isn't helping anybody either.
It sounds like you would have been happy if anyone/everyone who was witnessing and/or reporting this man beating on a woman in public...would have just ignored it as if they didn't see it...and then later if they found her dead in the Hy-Vee parking lot, you would sleep better at night because at least it was her and not anyone else.
QUOTE
It doesn't matter what he was intending. It's the end result that matters, in a situation like this. IMO
And you believe the Grandpa was wrong for caring about someone other than himself and/or his grandchild even though the end result was not "bad" for either of them.
1. I wasn't there. I'm going by the sort of vague description in the paper. That probably isn't the greatest thing to do. So when I read that bit about grandparents. It seemed like an unsafe predicament for them to put their grand-kids in.
2. Generally speaking, I would never recommend that ANYBODY get their kids involved in something like this. Again, I'm basing that on the sort of vague picture painted by the paper's author of the article. Which was: A guy acting and driving erratically, for who knows how many different reasons.
3. Saying that everything is okay because the grand-kid or the one of the grandparents didn't die. Doesn't really justify acting in an irresponsible unsafe manner. If you kid does something clearly unsafe and life threatening, but lives. Do you tell them: I guess it's okay you lived, keep doing it.
4. Feel free to speculate about me being a bad person because of my stating those things.
5. Again my advice to anyone in a similar situation: Don't bring any kids into into. Call law-enforcement. Get the license-plate number.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2012,7:53 am
(hymiebravo @ Apr. 20 2012,7:09 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 19 2012,3:28 pm)
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OK Hymen, Alky, let's put you into the scenario.
Lets' not. Why don't you go to your fat guys in underwear site and see if you can get any of your buddies to play with you, there.
That's all your bag. Don't try and get anyone here to go along with your depraved crap.
A little pissy this morning???
You seem to be intolerable this fine morning? 
No I think from your posts on this subject that you're the type that try's to manipulate women into what you want them to do, the guy who looks for the vulnerable woman that's had a few to many at the local pub, low lying fruit if you will. Your motives scream out from what you post.
You have a fine rest of the day, maybe even taking time to register for that 7 step program.
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 20 2012,8:05 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 19 2012,9:29 am)
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(hymiebravo @ Apr. 19 2012,8:17 am)
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Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through.
In your usual frantic frontal tourettesque fashion to blurt something negative out:You totally misinterpret the text.
Maybe you should just go back to downloading pictures of fat guys in bikini underwear. Instead of fouling up another thread here.
But that pic was of you!!! My inspiration,the guiding light in the universe!
As far as interpreting your text, I guess I'll have to fess up and tell you that I was never any good at understanding bullcrap.
1. I find it truly disturbing that you are perusing a site that would even feature something like that. So much so, that it makes feel soiled even responding to you anymore.
2. You have a hard time even comprehending a few simple sentences from a newspaper. So your second comment is even less meaningful than your first.
3. What else is new.
P.S. Nice of you to use the vulgar green-guy. Nothing says you have lost: like being reduced to vulgar hand gestures.
That thing might as well be a white flag. As it has the same meaning. IMO
Posted by hymiebravo on Apr. 20 2012,8:08 am
(Self-Banished @ Apr. 20 2012,7:53 am)
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(hymiebravo @ Apr. 20 2012,7:09 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 19 2012,3:28 pm)
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OK Hymen, Alky, let's put you into the scenario.
Lets' not. Why don't you go to your fat guys in underwear site and see if you can get any of your buddies to play with you, there.
That's all your bag. Don't try and get anyone here to go along with your depraved crap.
A little pissy this morning???
You seem to be intolerable this fine morning? No I think from your posts on this subject that you're the type that try's to manipulate women into what you want them to do, the guy who looks for the vulnerable woman that's had a few to many at the local pub, low lying fruit if you will. Your motives scream out from what you post.
You have a fine rest of the day, maybe even taking time to register for that 7 step program.
You're too much of a moron to even begin to remotely understand anything that I have put forth.
Posted by grassman on Apr. 20 2012,8:58 am
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2012,11:34 am
(hymiebravo @ Apr. 20 2012,8:05 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Apr. 19 2012,9:29 am)
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(hymiebravo @ Apr. 19 2012,8:17 am)
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Hymen, as far as your theory that all guys want reciprocation I think you're full of it and once again your character shines through.
In your usual frantic frontal tourettesque fashion to blurt something negative out:You totally misinterpret the text.
Maybe you should just go back to downloading pictures of fat guys in bikini underwear. Instead of fouling up another thread here.
But that pic was of you!!! My inspiration,the guiding light in the universe!
As far as interpreting your text, I guess I'll have to fess up and tell you that I was never any good at understanding bullcrap.
1. I find it truly disturbing that you are perusing a site that would even feature something like that. So much so, that it makes feel soiled even responding to you anymore.
2. You have a hard time even comprehending a few simple sentences from a newspaper. So your second comment is even less meaningful than your first.
3. What else is new.
P.S. Nice of you to use the vulgar green-guy. Nothing says you have lost: like being reduced to vulgar hand gestures.
That thing might as well be a white flag. As it has the same meaning. IMO
Perusing a site??? I was looking for a pic of you, you can even do this yourself, go to google and type in the words" horse's ass" you'll find that pic there.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2012,11:40 am
PS Hymen? Hey Pal I drive city all day long, use of the finger is just a fact of life and a communication tool used to convey a message to idiots like you. I see from your response that I have ellicited the desired reaction. Hang it up dumbass.
Posted by am I invisible? on Apr. 20 2012,5:34 pm
I have a suggestion... why don't you two take it to the HyVee parking lot and duke it out!!! Woah! Getting way out there! Make sure you slap each other in the face too. : 
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 20 2012,6:44 pm
^ you're right, this is getting out of hand, my apologies.
Posted by am I invisible? on Apr. 21 2012,12:29 am
Apology accepted. But if I was the grandpa, breaking up you and Hypie man might be guestionable. Thats funny right there! I dont care who ya are. 
Posted by grassman on Apr. 21 2012,6:50 am
Anyone see that episode of Big Bang Theory the other night? Raj and Howard was going to fight it out. Hilarious!
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 21 2012,9:24 am
(am I invisible? @ Apr. 21 2012,12:29 am)
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Apology accepted. But if I was the grandpa, breaking up you and Hypie man might be guestionable. Thats funny right there! I dont care who ya are.
yes indeed
Posted by Ajax on Apr. 21 2012,6:51 pm
Let's just hope we don't have to hash over another topic like this one for awhile. There's alot of crazy people like this guy in town that went off at HyVee. Let's just hope another crazy person doesn't go crazy any time soon. One of these type of public cases per year are enough for this town.
Posted by Self-Banished on Apr. 21 2012,6:55 pm
^amen