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sid hartman 
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2009,5:19 pm |
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obama better think long and hard about what to do about health care, he has alot to lose
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Amarilloslim
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2009,5:49 pm |
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>>>> Dear American liberals, leftists, social
>>>> progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama
>>>> supporters, et al:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We have stuck together since the late
>>>> 1950's, but
>>>> the whole of this latest election process has
>>>> made me realize that
>>>> I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each
>>>> other for many years for
>>>> the sake of future generations, but sadly, this
>>>> relationship has
>>>> run its course. Our two ideological sides of
>>>> America cannot and
>>>> will not ever agree on what is right so
>>>> let's just end it on
>>>> friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to
>>>> irreconcilable
>>>> differences and go our own way.
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>>>>
>>>> Here is a model separation agreement:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Our two groups can equitably divide up
>>>> the country
>>>> by landmass each taking a portion. That will be
>>>> the difficult part,
>>>> but I am sure our two sides can come to a
>>>> friendly agreement. After
>>>> that, it should be relatively easy! Our
>>>> respective representatives
>>>> can effortlessly divide other assets since both
>>>> sides have such
>>>> distinct and disparate tastes.
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don't like redistributive taxes
>>>> so you can keep
>>>> them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and
>>>> the ACLU. Since you
>>>> hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms,
>>>> the cops, the NRA and
>>>> the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore
>>>> and Rosie O'Donnell
>>>> (You are, however, responsible for finding a
>>>> bio-diesel vehicle big
>>>> enough to move all three of them).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We'll keep the capitalism, greedy
>>>> corporations,
>>>> pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall
>>>> Street. You can have
>>>> your beloved homeless, homeboys, hippies and
>>>> illegal aliens. We'll
>>>> keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy
>>>> CEO's and rednecks. We'll
>>>> keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can make nice with Iran and
>>>> Palestine and we'll
>>>> retain the right to invade and hammer places
>>>> that threaten us. You
>>>> can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When
>>>> our allies or our
>>>> way of life are under assault, we'll help
>>>> provide them security.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We'll keep our Judeo-Christian
>>>> values.. You are
>>>> welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism and
>>>> Shirley McClain. You
>>>> can also have the U.N.. but we will no longer
>>>> be paying the bill.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We'll keep the SUVs, pickup trucks
>>>> and oversized
>>>> luxury cars. You can take every Subaru station
>>>> wagon you can find.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can give everyone healthcare if you
>>>> can find any
>>>> practicing doctors. We'll continue to
>>>> believe healthcare is a
>>>> luxury and not a right. We'll keep The
>>>> Battle Hymn of the Republic
>>>> and the National Anthem. I'm sure
>>>> you'll be happy to substitute
>>>> Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to
>>>> Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are
>>>> the World.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We'll practice trickle down
>>>> economics and you can
>>>> give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since
>>>> it often so offends
>>>> you, we'll keep our history, our name and
>>>> our flag.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet you ANWAR which one of us will
>>>> need whose help in 15
>>>> years.
>>>>
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2009,7:32 pm |
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Irisheyes - There are provisions in the Constitution that provide for a standing army even during times of peace, but as for the rest, you are right there is no defined set of articles pertaining to the Highway system, and as for the Federal Reserve IMO is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and goes against the very tenet of the vision set forth by the Founding Fathers.
The whole crux of this BS socialized health care is also against the vision of the Founding Fathers, forcing a taxation and or punish a portion of citizens who earn a wage with benefits and shift that earning toward a portion of citizens who do not, flies in the face of what our Founding Fathers fought so hard to get away from, unfair taxation. Seems this country since the days of the likes of Lincoln, Roosevelt, et al. this country has spiraled more and more towards Marxism and socialism and all in the BS spirit of human rights and the classic "It's not fair" mantra.
When WE as a Country stray to far from the instilled Constitutional Republic set forth by our Founding Fathers and delve farther and farther from personal responsibility, this country is going to end up in just as bad shape as a majority of the European countries are in. A society CANNOT sustain a population that is dependent on the govt dole, if the dependent population continues to grow.
The role of govt was never intended as the role that it is currently engaged in now.
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My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2009,11:25 pm |
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(hymiebravo @ Jun. 29 2009,6:55 pm)
QUOTE QUOTE We'll
>>>> keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms It's the high intellect comments like that that really build a solid case for your whole argument. And people talk about Leno's Jaywalking participants, as being bad. 
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hymiebravo
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Posted on: Jun. 29 2009,11:32 pm |
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(Common Citizen @ Jun. 27 2009,1:48 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Jun. 26 2009,11:07 pm)
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(MADDOG @ Jun. 26 2009,7:17 pm)
QUOTE Perhaps I did? I reread both posts made by expat today on the thread and do not see a link. I didn't add a link but I gave an web address for the first post. it's not difficult to back track sources, if you can dispute the facts lets hear it.. Common Citizen QUOTE Not to disparage your source...but I've read AFL/CIO magazines including the AFSCME union magazines enough over the years where I can now murmer bull$hit and cough at the same time. I assume those publications come from the same source as there website counterparts. another brilliant come back, unable to prove the statistics false you merely label them "bull$hit".... It wasn't a comeback. I was stating my opinion of your source, not attacking you personally.
Riiiggghhhhttttt. 
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Pretzel Logic
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Posted on: Jun. 30 2009,3:09 pm |
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Last night on the history channel they had a show on called"The Secrets of the Founding Fathers" one guy on there said the reason it took so long to come up with the Constitution was that they were all drunk and high on Jeffersons dope. 
I did not catch all of it, but what I did see was pretty interesting.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jun. 30 2009,4:54 pm |
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Irisheyes QUOTE The problem I have with this argument is that we're already rationing health care. The HMO's are doing it all the time. And if you're private health care isn't already rationing your service, you're going to be limited by how much money you have to pay them out of your pocket. So for some reason, it's okay to ration, as long as it's a private company doing it? The difference is that you can buy the insurance that fits your needs and desires. If you have a family, you probably will want high coverage, low deductibles, and more emphasis on short vs. long term care. As you get older, you will want high deductibles, catastrophic coverage, and long-term care.
That is not an option in Obamacare. Like all government programs, "One size fits all." 
In a FREE MARKET, individuals can take the risk they feel they can afford. Individuals can buy the level of care they want. NOT so in Obamacare--the government will mike the decisions for you and for your family--INCLUDING THE LIFE OR DEATH ONES.
NOBODY should have to put up with that!
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