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TameThaTane 
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2008,3:15 pm |
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Then they shouldn't be farming and much of the land could go back to tall grass prairie and we wouldn't have all the pollution and erosion we have today like run off etc. With fewer producers, the market wouldn't be so flooded and only those super efficient producers would be making it and be getting a better price. The way we're doing it now is ridiculous.
But like I said, we waste all kinds of money on defense and bases and other things we might as well get free money in the Midwest as well, but I'd like to see politicians handing out everybody less. Grassley and other power brokers ain't gonna give Cali any federal money if we don't get free money too! It just pisses me off these same rednecks feeding from the gubmint trough have the gall to disrespect welfare moms.
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Mamma
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2008,6:59 pm |
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Why don't you stick to a subject you know something about? Do you want to pay the farmers not to farm their land? Or are these farmers just going to volunteer to let it sit idle? Ok...then once the production of corn and soybeans is cut to a smaller percentage they will raise the price of the goods made out of them. It's all priced by demand. I just bet you would be screaming your mullet head off about a $10.00 loaf of bread. Then of course the price of meat would go up because cattle also eat grain. Good idea TTT 
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2008,7:11 pm |
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Mamma, have you ever heard the phrase, "don't let your mockingbird mouth over load your hummingbird ass"?
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TameThaTane
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2008,7:36 pm |
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Wee! Now I ride.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Mar. 14 2008,10:44 pm |
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Obviously, I am asking for some answers that you can't comprehend.
QUOTE I know for a fact that you cannot be a bad business person and run a profitable farm.
'GONG'
I said, "There are a lot of farmer's that 'know' farming but are horrible at managing the business, but year after year they keep plugging along." I didn't say they were profitable. You're misinterpreting. And, IMO, it would be possible to keep 'plugging along' and be a 'bad' business person if you're receiving government aid just to keep you a float. I've seen it, and it's usually just a matter of time before, well, you know...
QUOTE How can you blame your farming buddies for not wanting to disclose their business practices? I'm not asking for trade secrets.  I'm asking about government programs. 
QUOTE As for the bigger farmers getting more money is a silly argument because obviously the more acres you run the more you will get.
It's not an arguement. Stop being defensive. With that statement you're acknowledging then that the bigger you are the higher the subsidy? So it doesn't really matter how big or much revenue you bring in, you're going to get a proportionate amount of governemt aid? This is why I asked, "If it weren't for the subsidies would these (struggling) farmer's still be able to farm.
The farmer's that I see growing are great at managing their business. Are we still subsidizing these as well?"
Settle down. 
See, this is why I can never get straight answers. When I ask, people get defensive and act like I'm trying to take something away from them.
Chill dude...chill.
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banquo
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Posted on: Mar. 15 2008,9:07 am |
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]http://farm.ewg.org/sites/farmbill2007/region1614.php?fips=00000[/URL]
It's public information. Here is a link to search the subsidy database by city, zip code name, or business name. Simply click on the state you wish to search.
Like Jim H always said, your sitting in front of a computer, try using it.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Mar. 17 2008,7:38 pm |
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Didn't mean to frustrate ya banguo, I was just looking for a more local opinion. I have read the website you posted and see that there are alot of local farmer's that I thought were successful and yet are receiving over $100k a year in subsidies yet they have new machinery, trucks, snowmobiles, boats, campers, etc... I guess the question that the internet does not point out is whether the farmer's that I think are successful really aren't thus the need for the subsidies.
I'm just trying to get handle on why I would or would not support farm subsidies, that's all.
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Moparman
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Posted on: Mar. 18 2008,3:17 am |
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(Common Citizen @ Mar. 17 2008,7:38 pm)
QUOTE Didn't mean to frustrate ya banguo, I was just looking for a more local opinion. I have read the website you posted and see that there are alot of local farmer's that I thought were successful and yet are receiving over $100k a year in subsidies yet they have new machinery, trucks, snowmobiles, boats, campers, etc... I guess the question that the internet does not point out is whether the farmer's that I think are successful really aren't thus the need for the subsidies.
I'm just trying to get handle on why I would or would not support farm subsidies, that's all.
Think of it as a food subsidy. These payments keep the price of the food everyone eats low. Being successful has absolutely nothing to do with receiving a farm payment. How one could connect these things together is ridiculous. You will know when the farmers are not successful, because everyone will be going hungry. How do you know all these farmers have new equipment? Do you stop and look at the operators manual? This equipment is a huge investment. Farmers use it to make their living. They are going to take care of it. Just because it looks "new" from the road does not mean it is. I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain something in the simplest terms I can to someone who obviously does not even know the basics of running a farming operation.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Mar. 18 2008,6:45 am |
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QUOTE How do you know all these farmers have new equipment? Do you stop and look at the operators manual?
They brag about it. I don't have to ask.
QUOTE I am not trying to be defensive, just trying to explain something in the simplest terms I can to someone who obviously does not even know the basics of running a farming operation.
What do the basics of farming have to do with wanting to learn and understand government farm programs. I don't have to give you my background again. Unless, of course, you feel that subsidies are so mainstream and have become the norm within farming, that we never have to question the validity of the programs. Then yes, I am guilty, of not understanding the basics of farming according to your definition.
QUOTE Being successful has absolutely nothing to do with receiving a farm payment. How one could connect these things together is ridiculous.
I think many in the non-farming community relates government assistance as a mechanism to help the less fortunate in our society. That is why I can easily connect the two, being successful and receiving a farm payment. That is where I am coming from.
QUOTE You will know when the farmers are not successful, because everyone will be going hungry. That's a little extreme. It may create more competition but I don't believe it would starve people. Sounds like a scare tactic. We'd just buy food from South America or other parts of the world that could provide it cheaper. We're doing it now by buying other goods and supplies, that were once made in america, at stores like Walmart selling the same stuff from overseas markets that are cheaper? (not always better quality, but cheaper none the less)
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Moparman
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Posted on: Mar. 19 2008,1:18 pm |
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(Common Citizen @ Mar. 18 2008,6:45 am)
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They brag about it. I don't have to ask.
There will always be a few of these types in every crowd.
What do the basics of farming have to do with wanting to learn and understand government farm programs. I don't have to give you my background again. Unless, of course, you feel that subsidies are so mainstream and have become the norm within farming, that we never have to question the validity of the programs. Then yes, I am guilty, of not understanding the basics of farming according to your definition.
Because the government programs are a major part of running a farming operation. If you do not know how a farming operation is run you will not understand the programs. Do you think that farm payments are something new? They have been around for decades. Every farmer receives them. They have had become mainstream because of the peoples demand for cheap food.
I think many in the non-farming community relates government assistance as a mechanism to help the less fortunate in our society. That is why I can easily connect the two, being successful and receiving a farm payment. That is where I am coming from.
That is because the "non farming community" does not understand that the farm program keeps their food cheap, safe and abundant. They do not understand that anybody that eats food receives this "assistance".
That's a little extreme. It may create more competition but I don't believe it would starve people. Sounds like a scare tactic. We'd just buy food from South America or other parts of the world that could provide it cheaper. We're doing it now by buying other goods and supplies, that were once made in America, at stores like Walmart selling the same stuff from overseas markets that are cheaper? (not always better quality, but cheaper none the less)
Extreme? Where do think the food comes from? I will give you a hint, it is not the grocery store or restaurants. We already depend on foreign countries for our oil. I guess since that is working out so well we should just depend on the extremely stable region of South America for our food. Look at the problem with lead in toys made in foreign countries. Would you really want your food coming from one? We have all seen the devastating effects of the outsourcing of jobs has had on this country. And you want to the same for food? All this because you think it can be done (which it cannot) cheaper? That type of thinking is what REALLY is scary!
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