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 It is then my understanding that we are compensating the farmer via subsidies to replace any financial gain that they would normally realize through normal market competition, which may or may not increase the cost of our food supply (has this ever been tested).  So then the only question I have is directed towards certain farmer's that have more toys than the average joe who is not farming and not receiving government assistance, do they still need the subsidy and why?

You still do not get it.  This is not "normal" market competition.  The farmers DO NOT get to set the price of the things they produce.  If you think that free market competition would not increase foods prices you are crazy.  Just try to name one thing that everyone needs, not wants, pretty much from the day they are born to the day they die?  And do not say air and water.  Now put that product on the open market.  Now what do you think prices would do?  

Your last question is very confusing.  If this farmer is not farming, not getting a farm payment, my answer would have to be he is not a farmer.
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For someone making that claim you sure seem to be bringing it up a lot.

It's critical to the point I'm trying to make.  Sorry if you're offended.

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Also I find it interesting that you claim you grew up on a farm, yet seem to have copius amounts of disdain for farmers. I've never seen that before. Most farm people that I've come across always seem to take a lot of pride in what they do.

Why do you ASSume I have disdain for farmer's?  Because I question the validity of subsidies being paid to certain "wealthy" farmers?  Come on.  I have that right.  This doesn't mean I do not like farmers.  I believe farmers help make this world go around and I believe it is the greatest profession on earth in my opinion.  I don't understand why someone is not allowed to question certain things when it comes to farmer's without being attacked and made into some sort of anti-farmer zealot.

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Also it would seem you wouldn't have so many qestions as to the inner workings of it all.
 I said a grew up on a farm.  I didn't say I was the CFO for my dad.   Why is that so hard to understand?
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 It is then my understanding that we are compensating the farmer via subsidies to replace any financial gain that they would normally realize through normal market competition, which may or may not increase the cost of our food supply (has this ever been tested).  So then the only question I have is directed towards certain farmer's that have more toys than the average joe who is not farming and not receiving government assistance, do they still need the subsidy and why?

You still do not get it.  This is not "normal" market competition.  The farmers DO NOT get to set the price of the things they produce.  If you think that free market competition would not increase foods prices you are crazy.  Just try to name one thing that everyone needs, not wants, pretty much from the day they are born to the day they die?  And do not say air and water.  Now put that product on the open market.  Now what do you think prices would do?  

Your last question is very confusing.  If this farmer is not farming, not getting a farm payment, my answer would have to be he is not a farmer.

I get it.  I have always understood why we have farm subsidies.  What I don't understand is why every farmer should receive the subsidy?  think of it this way...we have low or no income people on welfare to help.  For whatever reason, other people have a high enough income which would make them ineligible for welfare.  But in farming it doesn't matter how much you make.  Poor farmer's, rich farmer's, their all going to get a subsidy...

oh never mind... :frusty:

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