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Here are some facts/ quotes from FarmPolicyFacts.org:

" Farm Policy Facts—a 501©(4) non-profit organization—is a coalition of farmers and commodity groups created to educate Congress and Americans about agriculture's contribution to a strong and vibrant United States.  "
In other words, it's the farmers propaganda machine!
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Now there's an unbiased organization.
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Ok then, what statements on the list do you disagree with?   :dunno:
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Most of them. Families can have corporations. It gives no reference to the SIZE of the family farm. These programs were designed for the SMALL family farm, not to give Pastorious $700,000 in one year. Even Mamma tells us farms have consolidated.

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Well, sure farms are consolidating. When poor "Charlie" kicks the bucket and his kids don't want to farm.....then his widow is either going to rent the land out to the neighbor or sell it to them. Not much of an option.

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Most of them. Families can have corporations. It gives no reference to the SIZE of the family farm. These programs were designed for the SMALL family farm, not to give Pastorious $700,000 in one year. Even Mamma tells us farms have consolidated.

The payment in Mn for placing land in soil bank is 135 dollars an acre that means Pestorious has place over 5000 acres into habitat
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Why does the minimum wage worker as well as anyone for that matter have to pay money out of his taxes to someone worth over $15,000,000?

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(TameThaTane @ Mar. 13 2008,11:18 am)
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Why does the minimum wage worker as well as anyone for that matter have to pay money out of his taxes to someone worth over $15,000,000?

Very Good you are starting to understand. Now if that program was not in place for the 15,000,000 farmer to rent his land to the goverment the 15,000,000 farmer would most likely farm it cause it would not be good business to let 25,000,000 worth of real estate sit idol for the little animals.
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Most of them. Families can have corporations. It gives no reference to the SIZE of the family farm. These programs were designed for the SMALL family farm, not to give Pastorious $700,000 in one year. Even Mamma tells us farms have consolidated.

"Most of them".  That is the best you can with up with?  That is really disappointing.
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Here are some facts/ quotes from FarmPolicyFacts.org:

The commodity title of the current farm bill has saved taxpayers $25 billion.

98% of U.S. farms are run by families-less than 2% are corporate farms.

Family farms produce 86% of America's food and fiber.

"Our farmers deserve praise, not condemnation; and their efficiency should be cause for gratitude, not something for which they are penalized" - President John F. Kennedy.

There are more than 2 million farms in America.

America has the cheapest, safest, most abundant food supply in the world.

U.S. consumers spend just 10% of their income on food-the lowest percentage in the world.

Pharmaceuticals...paint...fuel...cosmetics...crayons. These are just some of the everyday products made possible by U.S. farms.

Today's farmer provides food and fiber for 144 people-up from just 19 people in 1940.

For every dollar Americans spend on food, farmers only get 20 cents.

The average U.S. farm is 441 acres-up from 155 in 1935.

There are 6.5 billion people on the planet, and the world's population will reach 8 billion by 2025. Good thing U.S. farmers continue to increase their efficiency.

"Cultivators are the most valuable citizens…they are tied to their country" - President Thomas Jefferson.

There were 13.4% more women farmers in 2002 than in 1997, according to the 2002 Ag Census.

Agriculture employs 20% of the U.S. workforce, or about 21 million people.

Agriculture accounts for roughly 20% of the nations GDP, contributing $3.5 trillion a year to the U.S. economy.

Agricultural land provides habitat for 75% of the nation's wildlife.

X-ray film…adhesives...ink...toothpaste. These are just some of the everyday products made possible by U.S. farms.

About 40% of the country is farmland-that's an area the size of nine Californias.

The current farm bill isn't just about farmers, food and clothing-it also provides nearly $40 billion for environmental conservation.

Japanese grocery shoppers spend 26% of their incomes on food- Americans only spend 10%, thanks to farm policy.

The market value of U.S. agriculture products in 2002 was $200 billion, or about $94,000 per farm.

Under the current farm bill, 2007 federal farm support is predicted to decline $3.9 billion since last year.

"In no other country do so few people produce so much food, to feed so many, at such reasonable prices" - President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

"Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field" - President Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Compared to other major agricultural producers around the globe, the U.S. ranks near the bottom of the subsidization and tariff scale.

Nearly 6% of farm households have had a negative household income over the past 10 years.

Agriculture is America's number one export.

"It will not be doubted that with reference either to individual or national welfare, agriculture is of primary importance" - President George Washington.

Grocery shoppers from India spend 51% of their incomes on food-Americans only spend 10%, thanks to farm policy.

The Bureau of Engraving and Printing depends on farmers to produce paper currency-75% of every bill is made of cotton.

The contributions of farmers to this nation does not go unrecognized.  I myself grew up on a grain/livestock farm.  But if you were trying to answer my question, you didn't.

You said "6% of farm households have had a negative household income over the past 10 years."

That is not a large number in my opinion.  Also, I am familiar with the ways farmers that make a lot of money make it look like they haven't made a dime on their tax returns.

If the average farmer around here owns, say, 400 acres of tillable land, that would make their net worth close to $2,000,000.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not know of any other type of small business owner in Freeborn County with a $200,000(for example) business receiving any government handouts.  That's the point I'm trying to make.
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^And it's a good point. You see, rich folks deserve free money, but the poor mother is just a welfare case.  :sarcasm:

It's all politics. Other states get free money through military bases and contracts, we get farm welfare. It's the taxpayer who loses.


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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Agriculture/bg2043.cfm

Farm payments go disproportionately to the rich farmers.  The top 10% of farmers received 73% of the farm subsidies averaging $91,000 each.
The bottom 80% of farmers received less than $3,000 per year.   :(  

For more information on the farm bill go to the Center for Rural Affairs website.

http://www.cfra.org/
It explains how the current farm program subsidizes large farms, and hurts the small family farms.
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