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TameThaTane 
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2008,9:42 pm |
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Poor families and single moms don't get welfare. They get government subsidies. You can have your own opinion but not your own facts.
 
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My choice is what I choose to do,
And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.
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hot84svo
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2008,9:48 pm |
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This is the same Cato Institute pushing for legalization of currently controlled substances like pot.
TTT rants have more facts than the typical Cato report! Cato reports only are rational to the uneducated and uniformed readers.
As the Joe Friday character frequently imploreds "Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts"
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TameThaTane
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Posted on: Mar. 10 2008,11:42 pm |
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They're calling for the decriminalization of cannabis. Even you can't get yer facts straight. Are you implying that's somehow a bad thing?  Talk about uniformed and uneducated. A stupid farmer calling smart people uneducated? LOL You really take the cake! 
Corporate welfare is indeed welfare. If the term makes you feel bad, so what? It's just part of your denial in order to except your own discrimination. "When I get free gubmnet money it's NOT welfare. When the poor single mother does it IS welfare. Therefore it's OK for me to discriminate against that kind of trash while feeling good about myself".
I'm not buying it. Welfare is welfare. Free gubment money is free taxpayer money. Doesn't matter what you want to call it.
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My choice is what I choose to do,
And if I'm causing no harm, it shouldn't bother you.
Your choice is who you choose to be,
And if you're causin' no harm, then you're alright with me.
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Common Citizen
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Posted on: Mar. 11 2008,1:49 pm |
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Here are a few questions for any farmer out there that receives farm subsidies.
What is the subsidy suppose to do for you in this present age of advanced technology and higher yields and higher prices? What is the purpose?
How is it determined who does or does not receive the subsidies?
When the common citizen drives around the countryside and see's new equipment like 90' planters and 9030T tractors in the fields, year after year, with farmer's driving new pickups, are these the same farmers that receive these subsidies or are these large farmers already self-sufficient?
Just looking for honest answers to gain a better understanding to dispel any myths.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 11 2008,5:24 pm |
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This is perhaps a little known fact. Gary is going to have his own little private pond compliments of the state and watershed district.
QUOTE Chair, Manager Miller returned to a prior discussion on the Pestorious Water Retention Pond Project. The March 14th, 2006 motion on this project was read and the intent to move forward with this project as it will be of great value to the Watershed District was still the intent of the Board of managers. Manager Overgaard offered the following motion: Moved, to proceed, subject to State bonding, on the Pestorious Water Retention Pond Project. Motion seconded by Manager Bakken. Discussion followed. Manager Peterson called for the question. A roll call vote was taken and the motion was approved with 6 yes votes from: Managers Bakken; Overgaard; Sorenson; Nelson; Peterson; and Miller with 1 abstention vote from Manager Pestorious. SRRWD minutes
Now, in their defense, if believed, I questioned why he got it and not someone else. I was told they asked several other farmers who were not interested in it. 
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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
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Moparman
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2008,1:09 pm |
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Here are some facts/ quotes from FarmPolicyFacts.org:
The commodity title of the current farm bill has saved taxpayers $25 billion.
98% of U.S. farms are run by families-less than 2% are corporate farms.
Family farms produce 86% of America's food and fiber.
"Our farmers deserve praise, not condemnation; and their efficiency should be cause for gratitude, not something for which they are penalized" - President John F. Kennedy.
There are more than 2 million farms in America.
America has the cheapest, safest, most abundant food supply in the world.
U.S. consumers spend just 10% of their income on food-the lowest percentage in the world.
Pharmaceuticals...paint...fuel...cosmetics...crayons. These are just some of the everyday products made possible by U.S. farms.
Today's farmer provides food and fiber for 144 people-up from just 19 people in 1940.
For every dollar Americans spend on food, farmers only get 20 cents.
The average U.S. farm is 441 acres-up from 155 in 1935.
There are 6.5 billion people on the planet, and the world's population will reach 8 billion by 2025. Good thing U.S. farmers continue to increase their efficiency.
"Cultivators are the most valuable citizens…they are tied to their country" - President Thomas Jefferson.
There were 13.4% more women farmers in 2002 than in 1997, according to the 2002 Ag Census.
Agriculture employs 20% of the U.S. workforce, or about 21 million people.
Agriculture accounts for roughly 20% of the nations GDP, contributing $3.5 trillion a year to the U.S. economy.
Agricultural land provides habitat for 75% of the nation's wildlife.
X-ray film…adhesives...ink...toothpaste. These are just some of the everyday products made possible by U.S. farms.
About 40% of the country is farmland-that's an area the size of nine Californias.
The current farm bill isn't just about farmers, food and clothing-it also provides nearly $40 billion for environmental conservation.
Japanese grocery shoppers spend 26% of their incomes on food- Americans only spend 10%, thanks to farm policy.
The market value of U.S. agriculture products in 2002 was $200 billion, or about $94,000 per farm.
Under the current farm bill, 2007 federal farm support is predicted to decline $3.9 billion since last year.
"In no other country do so few people produce so much food, to feed so many, at such reasonable prices" - President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
"Farming looks mighty easy when your plow is a pencil, and you're a thousand miles from the corn field" - President Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Compared to other major agricultural producers around the globe, the U.S. ranks near the bottom of the subsidization and tariff scale.
Nearly 6% of farm households have had a negative household income over the past 10 years.
Agriculture is America's number one export.
"It will not be doubted that with reference either to individual or national welfare, agriculture is of primary importance" - President George Washington.
Grocery shoppers from India spend 51% of their incomes on food-Americans only spend 10%, thanks to farm policy.
The Bureau of Engraving and Printing depends on farmers to produce paper currency-75% of every bill is made of cotton.
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Mamma
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2008,6:53 pm |
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The family farm is almost gone. Young people can't afford to get into farming. Looking at the country road I live on......There used to be 8 farms. Now there is one. Drive around the country sometime and take a look at all the barns setting empty. You see the farmers with the huge equipment, but it takes that size to run the amount of acres they are running. All that crop is not profit. The price of fuel, fertilizer, seed, insecticides, and insurance goes up with everything else. I know of a neighbor farmer who has big equipment and most of it is leased. Farming is a business and one of the biggest gambles a person can take. You are at the mercy of the weather and markets. Don't be so quick to criticize until you talk to a farmer and find out the facts.
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Mar. 12 2008,8:03 pm |
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I had a farmer come in a answer all these questions common citizen posed I hope I remember his answers correctly.
The money farmers receive from the government is payment to not work acreage of his land and leave it has habitat. The payment is not quite equal to the amount of money he would generate had he planted that acreage. With land at 3000 to 5000 dollars an acre a farmer needs to work that land to see an income, the government merely encourages farmers to set this land aside.
Are you sure that is new equipment in that field or is it well cared for equipment that could be as old as 15 to 20 years old. He said, I paid 250,000 for a piece of equipment I going to keep it washed and waxed so that fading paint doesn't depreciate that investment.
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