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GEOKARJO 
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,5:49 pm |
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As she is running for Governor it will pressure other candidates to get tough on this issue. Sue is a pistol when she gets focused on an issue.
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,6:35 pm |
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I checked out the Amazing Mark website. It's been taken down due to recent security concerns.
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,8:04 pm |
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Just a thought. Since Albert Lea has laws regulating where people can ride bikes why can't they pass laws regulating where sex offenders can live? A city in New Jersey passed a law that made it against the law for convicted sex offenders to live within 2,500 feet of any school, park, playground, day-care centers, roller rinks, movie theaters and amusement parks. Now if a city in New Jersey can stop convicted sex offenders from living within 2,500 feet of a movie theater, you think the city of Albert Lea could stop two convicted sex offenders from living within 1,584 of an elementary school?
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repdan
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,9:03 pm |
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First, let me say this, I am not so sure I would trade the Minnesota program for the one in Iowa. It would cost less however. They lump all offenders together and post them and then they are done. So in Iowa someone who gets caught taking a pee in the alley is right up there with the person who rapes a child.
This may not be too big of a problem for us since the numbers of 1,2 and 3 are small. There are 300 level 1 in the state over 800 level 2 and thousands of level 1. 80% of the level 2 and 3 offenders live in MPLS, St. Paul or Duluth, if 1,2,and 3 were all posted the power and effect of being posted would go way down.
Having said all that, Ron gave me a good idea and I am going to try to get someone from the BCA and Corrections down here to hold a meeting. Just because I think we have a better system, that does not mean it can't be improved.
I spoke today with a friend who works in corrections, she was a homicide officer and also worked in the sex crimes dept of the Minneapolis police dept before taking the state job. It sounds like the DOC is going to push to list the level 2 and 3.
I should also point out the Iowa site deals only with kids, in Minnesota the site deals with all sexual predators.
FYI the Watchdog site is just directing you to the US Dept of Justice web site. It is public information.
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repdan
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,9:33 pm |
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| Quote (Replicant @ Jan. 25 2006,4:46pm) | | Quote (repdan @ Jan. 25 2006,4:07pm) | | I hope the goal here is to keep kids safe and not change for the sake of change. |
Why would you even suggest the motive would be anything other than the safety of our children? Your statement disappoints me, as if you're minimizing this as a problem.
Here we have a bordering state that is seemingly shipping their sex offenders to us, and we as citizens can't depend on our government or safety officials to tell us, apparently because their hands are tied.
What I don't get is why this information is freely available on the Family Watchdog website (and others I would guess), but no one can tell us this in public? |
Sorry you are disapointed that I think we should base public policy on facts. Look at some of the posts including yours. If the Iowa site was making them leave the state, there would be more in Austin and Rochester. Don't you think some of our level one and level tow offenders have moved to Iowa? I am not sure, but without having the information I would not guess either.
Next you assume since the family watchdog had the info that it was not in the public somewhere, yet they just link to the Federal DOJ site and make a few bucks in the process.
You may trade the Iowa system for ours, but after talking to a ALHS grad who was a Minneapolis homicde and sex crime cop I would not. Maybe you are an expert in this area and have more information then I do but since I am not an expert in the field I need to get information before demanding change.
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repdan
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,9:35 pm |
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| Quote (Wareagle11B @ Jan. 25 2006,4:56pm) | | Quote (Replicant @ Jan. 25 2006,4:46pm) | | What I don't get is why this information is freely available on the Family Watchdog website (and others I would guess), but no one can tell us this in public? |
What I am curious about Replicant is why, after 2 very high profile cases in the past 5 - 7 years, has MN allowed it's laws to be so lax and why the State Government hasn't gotten tougher on criminals like these? As for other offenders in the county I have been told that there are over 50 convicted Sexual Offenders living in Freeborn county. Funny things is is that only the 5 from Iowa made the Watchdog list. Mayhaps MN needs a swift kick for a wakeup call on this issue and preferably not from another incident.  |
We made several changes last year including life without parole for the worst offenses. But the group of people we are talking about here have already been through the system and we can't re-sentence them.
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,10:03 pm |
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| Quote (Wolfie @ Jan. 24 2006,7:09pm) | | Just playing devils advocate here so put down the rifle. Just because someone is listed as a sex offender doesnt mean they are a rapist or child molester. As pointed out recently on a TV show you can end up of the sex offender list for a prositution charge(payer or payee). And before anyone says it I have never been in trouble with the law, I do NOT have any kind of criminal record. |
All sex offenders are predators, PERIOD!! Don't try to minimize the impact that these low lifes have on society.
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,11:03 pm |
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I'd agree, a sex offense is a sex offense.
I wouldn't go as far as lumping other non sexual crimes together with sexual crimes, but I think it would be a good idea to look at additional options to help keep offenders further away from children.
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Replicant
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,11:18 pm |
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| Quote (repdan @ Jan. 25 2006,9:33pm) | | Quote (Replicant @ Jan. 25 2006,4:46pm) | | Quote (repdan @ Jan. 25 2006,4:07pm) | | I hope the goal here is to keep kids safe and not change for the sake of change. |
Why would you even suggest the motive would be anything other than the safety of our children? Your statement disappoints me, as if you're minimizing this as a problem.
Here we have a bordering state that is seemingly shipping their sex offenders to us, and we as citizens can't depend on our government or safety officials to tell us, apparently because their hands are tied.
What I don't get is why this information is freely available on the Family Watchdog website (and others I would guess), but no one can tell us this in public? |
Sorry you are disapointed that I think we should base public policy on facts. Look at some of the posts including yours. If the Iowa site was making them leave the state, there would be more in Austin and Rochester. Don't you think some of our level one and level tow offenders have moved to Iowa? I am not sure, but without having the information I would not guess either.
Next you assume since the family watchdog had the info that it was not in the public somewhere, yet they just link to the Federal DOJ site and make a few bucks in the process.
You may trade the Iowa system for ours, but after talking to a ALHS grad who was a Minneapolis homicde and sex crime cop I would not. Maybe you are an expert in this area and have more information then I do but since I am not an expert in the field I need to get information before demanding change. |
A little early in the session to be so testy isn't it Dan? I took issue with your flip statement about change for the sake of change, and you've got me saying all kinds of things I didn't say. For a guy with a reputation to be a power broker between the IR and DFL, seems like a pretty thin skin.
Where did I say public policy should not be based on facts? In fact, it is I who posted links to factual information freely available from both Iowa and Minnesota's sexual offender websites. To find out about an offender living in Albert Lea, Minnesota, I had to go to Iowa's website, and a 3rd party website (Family Watchdog) to get information. What's wrong with that picture?
Where did I say Iowa makes them leave the state? I said SEEMINGLY, meaning it was odd that of 5 offenders listed in Albert Lea, all 5 came from Iowa. I wasn't the first to comment on that.
Where did I say any of Minnesota's offenders have not moved to Iowa or other states? I didn't make any conjectures about it, but then I'm concerned about the offenders living here and how do I find out about them.
Where did I assume that the Family Watchdog did not get their information from public information? By its nature, convictions ARE public information. I realize they get their information from public records somewhere, that is why I posted links to Minnesota's and Iowa's registries. I'm not sure if Family Watchdog makes a few bucks, it didn't cost me or anyone else anything to look this up on their site.
You mention the DOJ website which is the National Sex Offender Public Registry. Guess what, they get their information from the state sites too, here's a statement copied directly from the NSOPR site: | Quote | The criteria for searching are limited to what each individual state may provide. Also, because information is hosted by each state and not by the federal government, search results should be verified by the user in the state where the information is posted. Users are advised to log on to pertinent state web sites for further information and/or guidance, as appropriate.
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Where did I say I would trade Iowa's system for ours? I made no such claim, and again I posted links to information about both states, including another 3rd party site (sexcrimes.com) that appears to summarize information about all states, in order to take a better look.
Where did I demand change without facts? I merely asked a question why can't local officials discuss sex offenders living amongst us, but have to find out the information is freely available, if you look for it. The point is, why did a citizen have to go look for it? Why can't we be told outright? Chief Winkels himself said their hands were tied, that they could not do community notification on these "unclassified" offenders, most of whose victims were under 13 years of age. That's not taking a leak in an alley.
No, I am no expert on sexual offenders, but in a few minutes of searching I provided more information than you did, instead of throwing out | Quote (repdan @ Jan. 25 2006,4:07pm) | | I hope the goal here is to keep kids safe and not change for the sake of change. |
Now I'm not looking to get in a p1ssing match with you, I've been a supporter, but I'll again say I was disappointed by your statement which started this discussion. If you wish to clarify what you meant, great. Then, by all means, get whatever facts you need to decide if something could be done better. And please do let us know what you discover.
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Posted on: Jan. 25 2006,11:31 pm |
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| Quote (Wareagle11B @ Jan. 25 2006,3:12pm) | | KAAL Channel 6 will be running an interview that I just finished on the 6 p.m. Newscast. I hope you will all watch and join in the fight to get MN's laws changed. |
http://www.6newsfirst.com/article/view/95719/
Way to go!!!
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