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Post Number: 81
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2009,8:57 am |
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(MADDOG @ Jun. 02 2009,12:42 pm)
QUOTE (Liberal @ Jun. 01 2009,6:10 pm)
QUOTE Strange you didn't complain about the financial bailouts when Bush started throwing money around. Perhaps you chose not to research your reply. From September 29: QUOTE The bail out is immoral and unconstitutional. Show me where in the constitution that it gives congress the right to steal from the American taxpayers to serve foolish mistakes by special interests?
November 22: QUOTE If $25 or $50 billion is what it will take to keep the American automobile industry from total collapse, I can think of no one better to rescue them than oil.
Of course the Big Three isn't going to ask them. They are asking the taxpayer or more specifically the special interest group who are supposedly the taxpayer to fund their aid package. Asking the oil corporate giants would only open up a new can of worms.
March 31: QUOTE Seems like the decision has been made already to keep them afloat. Isn't this already part two? This is the second time...so far.
Who's saying the GOP wants to force them into bankrupcy? If that's what does happen, so be it. The companies need to think this out for themselves, not be parented by the government. You don't think I don't have a stake in this and am still against any bailout? Seems to me that if this is round two, we all know which President gave them round one. (this is where any good liberal would use a , isn't it?) QUOTE QUOTE Seems to me that if this is round two, we all know which President gave them round one. (this is where any good liberal would use a , isn't it?) I have no idea what you're trying to say?
Talk about trying to take something out of context. You seem to be reaching?
I wonder if the rest of the forum wasn't able to understand the whole context of my post?
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Post Number: 82
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jun. 03 2009,9:13 am |
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QUOTE Another first in American history.
The Obama administration has determined that Chrysler is not a viable stand alone company. Under his plan, the government will provide money to force forge a merger with Fiat. If they don't, he won't give them any more money.
No other president in history has ever forced an American company to sell to a foriegn one. And now we have a second.
QUOTE GM's Hummer sold to Chinese company 03 June 2009 In the first ever acquisition of a US car maker by a Chinese business, privately-owned Chengdu-based road and construction equipment maker Sichuan Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Company, has acquired bankrupt auto giant General Motor's large sport utility vehicles and pickup trucks sold under the Hummer brand in a deal believed to be $500 million. Hummer sold So will AM General somehow go with this?
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Post Number: 83
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2009,4:07 pm |
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QUOTE Illegal, Unfair Auto Bailout That Harms Retirees and Taxpayers Challenged in Chrysler Bankruptcy The Indiana State Teachers’ Retirement Fund is rightly challenging the diversion of tens of billions of dollars of federal TARP bank bailout money to pay for auto bailouts in the Chrysler bankruptcy case. That diversion violates the law. It is part of the government’s unfair reorganization plan for Chrysler, which rips off pension funds to provide short-sighted, unsustainable preferential treatment for the UAW. (The bailouts are doing no good. General Motors and Chrysler would actually have been better off if they had filed for bankruptcy last year, rather than taking federal money, since the bailouts have come with costly political strings attached, such as dropping opposition to costly CAFE regulations and other federal mandates, and bowing to political meddling in fundamental corporate decisionmaking, and have left the automakers with higher labor costs than if they had just ripped up their collective bargaining agreements in a standard bankruptcy, endangering their long-run competitiveness. Indeed, the politicized auto bailouts resemble the failed British auto bailouts of the 1970s). openmarket.org
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Post Number: 84
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jun. 04 2009,4:44 pm |
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Does anybody know--with Hummer now sold to the Chinese, will they be making our military vehicles?
If so, it would add particular irony to the title of this thread "Commander and CEO"--Obummer would be Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, and CEO of the Government Car Companies--but buying our military vehicles from an offshore competitor?
What happened to the "save American Jobs"?
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Post Number: 86
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jun. 05 2009,1:25 pm |
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I can't wait until it's time to buy the next batch of Hum-Vees--will we buy American, or Chinese?
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Post Number: 87
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2009,1:09 pm |
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QUOTE Obama lawyer: Chrysler-Fiat must be allowed
U.S. solicitor general asks Supreme Court to ignore appeal of Chrysler bankruptcy made by Indiana pension fund.
A top Obama administration lawyer urged the Supreme Court on Monday to allow Chrysler's bankruptcy to proceed, noting that the needs of the economy outweigh the needs of the deal's detractors.
U.S. Solicitor General Elena Kagan filed a request that the court deny an appeal by Indiana pension funds that had invested in Chrysler and say they will lose $6 million because of the bankruptcy.
Indiana Treasurer Richard Mourdock argues that the Chrysler case upends long-standing bankruptcy law. He also says President Obama has overstepped his authority by using funds from the $700 billion TARP bailout, originally enacted to rescue the financial sector, for an automaker bailout.
Kagan defended the use of funds from the Troubled Asset Relief Program and argued that Indiana's appeal lacks legal merit. In addition, she said the losses to the Indiana funds "cannot outweigh" the potential broader problems a collapse of Chrysler would present.
"As an economic matter ... blocking the transaction would undoubtedly have grave consequences," Kagan wrote.
This is the last opportunity for Mourdock to stall Chrysler's bankruptcy process, following his unsuccessful appeal to the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit.
Mourdock filed his appeal on behalf of three Indiana pension funds, representing state police and teachers as well as a "Major Moves" construction fund.
The U.S. Supreme Court has until 4 p.m. ET on Monday to either listen to Mourdock's appeal, or ignore it, allowing Chrysler to proceed with its bankruptcy process.
The Indiana funds represent $42 million of Chrysler's $6.9 billion debt, which the automaker is trying to unload through the Chapter 11 process. Mourdock has told CNNMoney.com that it's his duty as state treasurer to oppose Chrysler's bankruptcy, because some $6 million worth of pension funds would get wiped out in the deal.
Chrysler, which filed for Chapter 11 on April 30, is trying get approval to transfer its best-performing assets, such as factories and dealership contracts, to a new company called Chrysler Group, partnering with the Italian automaker Fiat.
Fiat would own 20% of Chrysler Group initially, though this share could eventually increase. The biggest share of 55% would be controlled by a United Auto Workers union trust. A minority stake of 8% would go to the U.S. government, and 2% would be held by the federal and provincial governments of Canada and Ontario.
Fiat has until June 15 to change its mind on the deal. After that date, Fiat is locked in.
Chrysler's asset transfer was approved just hours before the bankruptcy filing of General Motors (GMGMQ) on June 1. The Chrysler bankruptcy process is being closely watched by investors, to see how it might impact GM.
The recession has dried up consumer demand, pushing Chrysler and GM to the edge of survival. Rising fuel prices, job losses and the bank industry's temporary hiatus from offering car loans have all contributed to the decline of the Detroit-based auto industry.
President Obama pushed Chrysler and GM toward bankruptcy, after the auto makers failed to satisfy his expectations for an industry overhaul. Obama has requested that the Chapter 11 process be completed within 30 to 60 days.
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
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Post Number: 88
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Jun. 08 2009,4:05 pm |
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QUOTE noting that the needs of the economy outweigh the needs of the deal's detractors.
Dictators usually proclaim they need "emergency powers" because of national need. They rarely ASK the electorate for those powers--they simply TAKE them.
Apparently, the Obambi Administration didn't realize what it was getting into when they started pushing for Chrysler to be absorbed by FIAT.
You have to wonder--why FIAT?
Why not some OTHER automaker?
Why not a group from India or China--both of which wanted Saturn for their dealerships?
Why not any other NON-automaker company in the U.S.? Is it because if it was sold to a U.S. company, it would have to have the approval of Justice, Commerce, etc.? Because the successor companies would have to absorb the union costs--and a liability trail? Is it because the unions wouldn't be able to be placed in an ownership position, ahead of stockholders and bondholders? Is it to put an international border between Chrysler and any liability trail?
Why can Hummer be sold to the Chinese, but not Saturn--who WANTED it?
Why couldn't Chrysler be sold to the Chinese?
Why can Saturn be sold to Penske, but not Chrysler? Are there NO domestic U.S. companies that want it?
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Post Number: 89
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The Boognish
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,7:12 am |
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Djim Wit,
I find it almost laughable that you are crying dictatorship now with Obama in office. Your most recent post describing what occurs in a dictatorship would have been even more applicable to the previous administration's political strategies, but you weren't screaming, "dictator" then were you?
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Post Number: 90
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Jun. 14 2009,4:56 pm |
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A top Obama administration lawyer urged the Supreme Court on Monday to allow Chrysler's bankruptcy to proceed, noting that the needs of the economy outweigh the needs of the deal's detractors.
Now where in history or literature have I heard something like this before???
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