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twelvemice 
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Posted on: Dec. 20 2005,11:01 pm |
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Should President George Bush have the authority to authorize secret eavesdropping on American citizens?
George Bush is a complete idiot. He is an embarrassment to this country and all humankind for that manner. I don't understand how he ever became president in the first place. How anyone could be stupid enough to vote for him is beyond me. Anyway, due to his obvious limitations in intelligence (he is lucky he ever made it past 3rd grade) he should not have the authority to authorize anything. George Bush is just a puppet. I don't believe I am the only one who sees what a complete idiot he is and I seriously wonder who is really running this country. George Bush isn't smart enough to make any decisions on his own- so who is making the decisions? Cheney? 
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Ned Kelly
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,12:55 pm |
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Cheney is the correct answer, give the mice the cheese.................  ..........ned
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,1:12 pm |
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| Quote (REPOMAN @ Dec. 20 2005,6:50pm) | How different is what President Clinton did back in 1995 from what President Bush is doing now - feast your eyes:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 12949
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FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES
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PHYSICAL SEARCHES means a person who's premises,
property, information, or material is the target of physical
search or any other person whose premises, property, information, or material was subject to physical search.
We were talking Electronic Surveillance DIM-WIT
But even PHYSICAL SEARCHES the Clinton Administration was smart enough use the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court...like I said before that's the difference...
Bush will have to eat crow on the fiasco, the White House needs to promptly tell the NSA to return to following the rules, to get the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court before monitoring Americans communications. Whether that be prior to or retroactively. The idea that all of this is being done to us in the name of national security doesn't cut it in America. Those are the unacceptable actions of a police state.
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History is no more than the lies agreed upon by the victors.
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REPOMAN
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,2:15 pm |
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| Quote | Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the
Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, , to acquire foreign intelligence information for periods of
up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the certifications
required by that section. |
Do you think that wiretapping international calls of suspected al-Qaeda or checking international email to and from al-Qaeda sympathizers is somehow worse than: | Quote | PHYSICAL SEARCHES means a person who's premises,
property, information, or material is the target of physical
search or any other person whose premises, property, information, or material was subject to physical search. |
I'll take my chance with President George Bush any day - you couldn't get my vote for dog catcher with your warped view of the world... 
don't worry - a Democrat will eventually get into the White House - you'll just have to sit tight and be patient until that day gets here - no amount of dishonest voo-doo tricks by you and yours is going to hasten that day... 
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REPOMAN
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,2:19 pm |
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this post is especially for the Ex-Patriot...
this is my prediction of what the Supreme Court will say to you and those that think like you if this issue ever ends up bofore them...
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,2:19 pm |
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| Quote | On Sunday, December 18, former White House Counsel John Dean said that President Bush is "the first President to admit to an impeachable offense."
Dec. 19, 2005 - Finally we have a Washington scandal that goes beyond sex, corruption and political intrigue to big issues like security versus liberty and the reasonable bounds of presidential power. President Bush came out swinging on Snoopgate—he made it seem as if those who didn’t agree with him wanted to leave us vulnerable to Al Qaeda—but it will not work. We’re seeing clearly now that Bush thought 9/11 gave him license to act like a dictator, or in his own mind, no doubt, like Abraham Lincoln during the Civil War.
No wonder Bush was so desperate that The New York Times not publish its story on the National Security Agency eavesdropping on American citizens without a warrant, in what lawyers outside the administration say is a clear violation of the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. I learned this week that on December 6, Bush summoned Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger and executive editor Bill Keller to the Oval Office in a futile attempt to talk them out of running the story. The Times will not comment on the meeting,
but one can only imagine the president’s desperation.
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It's hit the fan. Uncle Fester Cheney is bailing on his mideast trip early to come home and deal with the drunken fratboy who's pissed on Constitutional law, then bragged about it on national TV. What an idiot.
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Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies. We were rolling drunk on petroleum.
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Gomer
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,2:23 pm |
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There have been several news stories about the patriot act and related intelligence gathering techniques used now by our government on its own citizens.
60 minutes and nightline both aired stories that were similar in nature. In one of the stories an anti war group comprised of middle - old aged people was infiltrated by a covert agent. Their phones were tapped, their lives analyzed, and the whistle was only blown on the governments watchfull eye because the undercover guy died in a motorcycle accident and his cover was blown by the local media story covering his death. I am sure the bakesale that funded bring our troops home buttons was in fact a hotbed of terrorist activity. Repoman you are an idiot for thinking the governments unlimited electronic communication monitoring will be self limited in any fashion. We have an inept bureaucracy that couldn't function before we broadened their scope, how do you think they will be magically better now that they have so much more information to sift through?
Nothing this president has done has made us any safer from terrorists. Giving up our freedoms and creating a government that openly spies on its civilians is a victory for the terrorists. Osama 2 Bush 0.
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,2:52 pm |
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GW's so-called 'War on Terra' will play out as effectively as Reagan's so-called 'War on Drugs'. It will be as effective as someone trying to take out a swarm of locusts with a Daisy BB gun. Anyone with a modicum of understanding of how the Muslim extremist mindset works can see this. A more effective strategy might follow along the lines of figuring out what aspects of U.S. foreign policy really inflame these people. No, the tired, old argument that "they hate us for our freedoms" doesn't hold water.
If the hypocritical and supposedly Christian right really wanted to put their money where their mouths were, they'd get out of the Middle East, and leave Israel to its own devices. (If God can't protect His chosen people, nobody can.)
But nobody wants to talk about why bin Laden and his ilk are mad at us. And if you think Britney Spears and loose morals have something to do with it, you couldn't be more off the beam.
Read Michael Scheuer's book Imperial Hubris: Why the West is Losing the War on Terror. When you've finished that, read Alan M. Dershowitz' book Why Terrorism Works.
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Dear future generations: Please accept our apologies. We were rolling drunk on petroleum.
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Ned Kelly
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,4:25 pm |
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As this story plays out, the Bush administration looks more and more like the Nixon administration. What will the coming chapters reveal?....  ............ned
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GEOKARJO
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Posted on: Dec. 21 2005,4:29 pm |
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Short News Clip on Iraq
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