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REPOMAN 
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Posted on: Dec. 18 2005,2:25 pm |
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Condi Rice was on Meet The Press this morning and she says that it was only people with ties to AlQaeda and it was only international calls and international email - I am so glad that someone is monitoring that situation...
if this bothers you so much then I assume you think FDR should have been impeached for the ethnic Japanese that were interned in American camps during World War II... 
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 18 2005,5:46 pm |
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| Quote (REPOMAN @ Dec. 18 2005,2:25pm) | | Condi Rice was on Meet The Press this morning and she says that it was only people with ties to AlQaeda and it was only international calls and international email - I am so glad that someone is monitoring that situation... |
Secretary Rice looked like she was more than a little uncomfortable, she was ask several times the following Question without an adequate answer:
What is the legal authority? What is the constitutional authority for the president to eavesdrop on American citizens without getting court approval?
CONDOLEEZZA RICE answers: I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer.....
SEN. ARLEN SPECTER, (R-PA): It's inexcusable to have spying on people in the United States without court surveillance in violation of our law beyond any question.
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,2:26 am |
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If the case for someone being a terrorist suspect is so compelling, why not just take the five minutes to get the court order?
Why do we have to trash the Constitution to get something that was available all along?
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Gomer
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,11:50 am |
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Our founding fathers were morons. The right to a fair trial, to representation, to privacy, ect.. were all misguided and gave the plebs far too much freedom. Yes my fellow citizens, our great leader GWB knows what is legal, what is moral, and what is right for us all. (and iraqi's too) Do not mistake the legality of his actions. As in egypt, our king is a god and therefore can do nothing but what is right. It is you who question his actions that deserve his wrath. The almighty will consider you an enemy of the state if you speak anything other than his truth in a public place such as this forum. His agents are everywhere (jimbo) and once one of them turns you into the homeland security (SS for short) you will know the true power of his authority.
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,12:48 pm |
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warrantless surveillance is nothing new, can you say ECHELON
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,2:51 pm |
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Bush says: As president and commander in chief, I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country. Article 2 of the Constitution gives me that responsibility and the authority necessary to fulfill it.
Repo can you find anything in Artical 2 of the U.S. Constitution about the President's authority to wiretap U.S. Citizens without court approval?
U.S. Constitution Artical II
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,4:20 pm |
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Gomer, comparing the FatherlandHomeland Security folks to the Schutzstaffel is just wrong. I'd start packing - you're headed for Gitmo.
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REPOMAN
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,4:53 pm |
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| Quote (Expatriate @ Dec. 19 2005,2:51pm) | Bush says: As president and commander in chief, I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country. Article 2 of the Constitution gives me that responsibility and the authority necessary to fulfill it.
Repo can you find anything in Artical 2 of the U.S. Constitution about the President's authority to wiretap U.S. Citizens without court approval?
U.S. Constitution Artical II |
You are always good for the out of context or abbreviated quote - are we running short on bandwidth or did you just fall asleep after reading his first sentence on the subject... 
Let's see if this gives you a tad better focus: | Quote | As president and commander in chief, I have the constitutional responsibility and the constitutional authority to protect our country. Article 2 of the Constitution gives me that responsibility and the authority necessary to fulfill it.
And after September the 11th, the United States Congress also granted me additional authority to use military force against al Qaeda.
After September the 11th, one question my administration had to answer was, using the authorities I have, how do we effectively detect enemies hiding in our midst and prevent them from striking us again?
We know that a two-minute phone conversation between somebody linked to al Qaeda here and an operative overseas could lead directly to the loss of thousands of lives. To save American lives, we must be able to act fast and to detect these conversations so we can prevent new attacks.
So, consistent with U.S. law and the Constitution, I authorize the interception of international communications of people with known links to al Qaeda and related terrorist organizations.
This program is carefully reviewed approximately every 45 days to ensure it is being used properly. Leaders in the United States Congress have been briefed more than a dozen times on this program.
And it has been effective in disrupting the enemy while safeguarding our civil liberties. This program has targeted those with known links to al Qaeda.
I've reauthorized this program more than 30 times since September the 11th attacks, and I intend to do so for so long as the nation faces the continuing threat of an enemy that wants to kill our American citizens.
Another vital tool in the war on terror is the Patriot Act. After September the 11th, Congress acted quickly and responsibly by passing this law, which provides our law enforcement and intelligence community key tools to prevent attacks in our country.
The Patriot Act tore down the legal and bureaucratic wall that kept law enforcement and intelligence authorities from sharing vital information about terrorist threats. It allows federal investigators to pursue terrorists with tools already used against other types of criminals.
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by the way - Condi didn't say, | Quote | | I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer, I'm not a lawyer..... |
the transcript for that show will be out in about 2 weeks and then we can post the exact quotes...
I haven't trusted your quoting since you posted the nonsense about what you said President Bush said about UBL and al-Qaeda before 9/11 - remember when you said that he stated that they were like mosquitos - and he wasn't going to worry about them...
you play it a little fast and loose with the truth - that is wreckless at best and is in fact dishonest...
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Berserker
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,5:31 pm |
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Gomer the founding fathers didn't give the masses the right to vote or be heard. What they did, was give the right to land owners, which at the time was close to 99% W.A.S.P.s. This was one of the first major challenges to our constitution which the founding fathers had the forsight to know that there deffinately be things that needed changing. Thank god they were smart enough to think ahead. To bad many of our fellow country men/women have had the insight to ruin good constitutional rights, like the right to life, liberty, and the persuite of happiness. Some of our fathers attempted to ensure the rights of ALL people in America. However, in retrospect, when Jefferson wrote the freeing of slaves and rights ensured for all, including women, I would speculate that he knew it would never pass the majority of WASPs in attendance of the first meetings. That his "futile" attempt, may infact been for his own ego and reputation, so that he would look like a forward thinking man. Infact he was so for the freeing and equaling of slaves that when he died, he willed them to his children. The only ones who were freed are slaves of his that were suspect of being his own children. This from a man who never was very successful at business, or farming. His money came from his family, his wife's family, and early investments in growing businesses. His own nail manufacturing business was a MAJOR flop! Or we may still today be using Jefferson Nails, but we are not.
As for Bush and his spying, that is bull$hiite. Some one earlier said that you give the goverment a right of yours and you will never get it back. They were right. The other problem is where does this "spying" stop? Do you think the government would say, "No this person is just talking to a friend in Europe, I don't need to monitor his/her email" Or "oh look this person isnt a terrorist but they are growing 100 plants of pot in the basement, we can't go after them on this information because we were suppose to be looking for spys with this e-tap"
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Posted on: Dec. 19 2005,8:53 pm |
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The Neo-con Nazis that march in lock-step with the current administration must act and look an awful lot like the folks that decided that Japanese-Americans living stateside in 1942 needed to be interred.
You can trust this administration to "do the right thing," or "stay the course," or whatever buzzwords apply. I remain skeptical...
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