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DrBombay 
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,9:42 am |
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After learning more about this case over the weekend, I totally agree with everything you said Mamma. The video clips I've seen made it appear she was responding, laughing, maybe recognition. Come to find out the clips were 5 yrs. old, and just as you said simply reflexes. She's not in there anymore, let her go!
34 judges have heard parts of this case over the past years. Testimony from experts, family, friends, those who've taken great pains to make up there minds if she has any brain function or not and they have decided over and over she's in a vegetative state, and have agreed the husband has the right to make this decision for her.
Congress making this into a political agenda is absolutely unconstitutional BS.
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,10:51 am |
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Jimhanson; This is a political agenda by the republican politicians. You can see election 2006 coming down to slam ads saying Senator Democrat voted to let Terrie die, blah, blah, blah. They knew it and so did the democrats, that's why so many of the democrats who obviously opposed it in argument voted for it. I might add I have no respect for those who sold out thinking of the next campaign.
How did this get to congress anyway? What makes this case so special? Could it be because it was a high profile case in the land of Jeb Bush? I'm not saying this whole thing is some kind of conspiracy either, I just think the republicans saw the opportunity to jump on the moral high horse and use it to oil the political machinery for the next election.
According to all the polls the majority of people agreed with the decision to pull the tube (even FOX!!). This stunt just may backfire! 
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DrBombay
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,10:55 am |
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So I'm still not clear as to what call you're making here jimhanson. Is it put the feeding tube back, or let her go? Which is it?
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,11:22 am |
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| Quote | | Jimhanson; This is a political agenda by the republican politicians |
| Quote | | So I'm still not clear as to what call you're making here jimhanson. Is it put the feeding tube back, or let her go? Which is it? |
I don't have a position on it, other than government should keep out. Like most people, I'm sad to see life terminated. Like most people, I don't want the government involved. I also recognize that this is irreversable. For my own case, my position is as stated previously--slipping into a coma, unaware of what is going on around you, and expiring without the histronics is not a bad way to go--dementia has been called "the old man's friend".
This is a good issue for the Discussion Forum--it touches all of us. This should not be a political football. I threw the comments and poll results out there for additional comment--and to refute the charges that this is a conservative-inspired issue--the ABC poll shows that it is the conservatives that do NOT want the government to intervene.
If you would LIKE to make this political, we can have that discussion, too. Conservatives are being consistent in wanting the government to stay out of our personal lives. Isn't it interesting that the Democrats--the liberal party--the people that believe in a government program for everything--the people that believe in Federal pre-emption of States Rights--the people that had the Federal government OK abortion on demand--are the people that suddenly ALSO want the government to stay out?
Isn't it interesting, that the Senate passed the law with a unanimous voice vote--but the Dems now would like to make political hay by making this a "Republican Issue"? What--weren't there any Democrats voting--or have they still not found their voice since last November?
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,8:42 pm |
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Great, now we have the Hollywood elite plastered across our screens! As if this wasn't enough of a media fiasco already.
I've made the mistake lately of watching Entertainment Tonight, and see Patricia Heating (or whoever it is, never heard of her until now) COMPARING TERRIE'S HUSBAND, AND THOSE THAT SUPPORT HIS DECISION TO NAZI'S! Apparently, other celeb's quoted agree, but don't use as harsh language as Patricia.
I doesn't matter to me which side of this issue someone is on, but saying that in some way those who support removing the feeding tube are somehow in favor of a halocaust for people with disabilities is insane! What's even worse it that instead of talking about the issue, they're more focused on insulting the husband. It's bad enough he's gone through years of emotional pain and grief seeing his wife go through this with no hope of recovery, now everyone who gets in front of a microphone wants to second guess his love for her.
The one thing I can give the celebrities credit for is that they might have a better understanding of the situation, since, they too, appear to be brain dead. 
Personally, I agree with what the husband is doing. Even if I didn't though, I can't believe they would start slinging mud at someone who's going through an experience like this. They should've left it up to the courts to decide, regardless of the outcome. Politicians getting involved in this has turned an already sad situation, into an ugly political campaign.
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Posted on: Mar. 22 2005,9:06 pm |
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Why has George changed his tune, or is it the same tune he's always played..which ever way the wind blows flip flop flip flop flip flop
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In 1999, then-Gov. Bush signed the Advance Directives Act, which lets a patient's surrogate make life-ending decisions on his or her behalf. The measure also allows Texas hospitals to disconnect patients from life-sustaining systems if a physician, in consultation with a hospital bioethics committee, concludes that the patient's condition is hopeless.
Bioethicists familiar with the Texas law said yesterday that if the Schiavo case had occurred in Texas, her husband would be the legal decision-maker and, because he and her doctors agreed that she had no hope of recovery, her feeding tube would be disconnected. |
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Mar. 23 2005,2:08 am |
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irisheyes, I have to respect your views. Mine were not quite as intense, but jusy the same.
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ICU812
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Posted on: Mar. 23 2005,10:00 am |
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My view, and I have been thru a situation very similar.
Terri has been thru an ordeal that damaged most of her brain. From what I have heard/read the only real part of her brain that functions is the part that keeps her breathing.
This decision should have been made long ago without intervention from the Gov. The husband should really be granted what Terri wished for. Whether or not she wanted it that way we will never know, but I feel he is telling the truth.
The doctors I feel have done a poor job of informing the parents that it is probably the right thing to pursue.
Now how I come up with those thoughts, all personal feelings.
To go from being a parent and wife living life to her fullest she had a medical episode that took 100% of what she had and did. She went from total independece to the opposite.
I know for my own sake that if I went from 100% to a feeding tube in my stomach, never enjoying a simple glass of water, someone changing my diapers daily(they are putting food in so its gotta come out), someone bathing me whenever it fits their schedule, I think you see the point Im trying to make, I would hope they pulled the tube and let me continue my journey. And if I found out somehow that they put a video of me "eye chasing" a balloon on national TV every night I would be back to haunt the "F-ers" that allowed it.
That being said I am not saying people should just go around and pull the tubes out of people in a veggie state of mind across the country, they do have every right to live, but they also have the choce to die.
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SEMINOLE, Fla. -- A man was arrested after trying to steal a weapon from a gun shop so he could "take some action and rescue Terri Schiavo," authorities said.
Michael W. Mitchell, of Rockford, Ill., entered Randall's Firearms Inc. in Seminole just before 6 p.m. Thursday with a box cutter and tried to steal a gun, said Marianne Pasha, a spokeswoman for the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office.
Mitchell, 20, told deputies he wanted to "take some action and rescue Terri Schiavo" after he visited the Pinellas Park hospice where she lives, Pasha said.
Mitchell was in custody at the Pinellas County jail Friday after a judge set his bail at a total of $120,500 for the four charges of armed robbery, grand theft, aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and criminal mischief.
The feeding tube that has kept Schiavo alive for more than a decade was removed March 18 over objections from her parents. Schiavo's husband has said his wife would not want to be kept alive artificially.
Doctors have said she would probably die within a week or two of the tube being pulled.
Randy McKenzie, the owner of Randall's Firearms, said Mitchell pulled out the box cutter and broke the glass on a couple of display cases.
"He told me if I wasn't on Terri's side then I wasn't on God's side, either," McKenzie told The Associated Press.
McKenzie said he then pointed his own gun at Mitchell and ordered him to lie on the ground. But Mitchell fled out the store's back door before police arrived, he said.
It was not known if he had a lawyer.
Seminole is about 5 miles west of Pinellas Park.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 26 2005,6:36 pm |
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Once again, I don't have a position on this issue. I'm no longer in favor of capital punishment--I have NO faith in the judicial system. There ARE huge differences between those condemned to death, and Schiavo.
Those executed were given a trial. They were found guilty. They had a separate punishment phase that considered mitigating circumstances. They had an automatic appeal. In many cases, they had a court-appointed defender. They were judged by a medical examiner that they were cognizant of their actions. They spent an average of 14 years before their sentences were carried out.
Schiavo didn't commit any crime. She has none of the safeguards afforded criminals. There is no living will, no document--only hearsay and uncorroborated evidence from her "husband" that this was her will. The simplest tests (CAT scan, MRI) have not been carried out. Her "husband" has been living with another woman for years, and has 2 children by her. He received a large insurance check, it hasn't been accounted for.
No jury in the world would condemn a person to a cruel death based on the subjective evidence presented by her husband.
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A Democratic political football. They quickly forget that it was a UNANIMOUS vote in the Senate for the bill, and that it passed the House by a wide margin--obviously, there was Democratic complicity. Is there NO issue that reactionary, vengeful Democrats won't "BLAME BUSH" for?
There is NO CONNECTION between a murderer and Terri Schiavo.
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