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Madd Max 
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2004,7:58 am |
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| Quote (repdan @ Oct. 28 2004,8:40:pm) | | Yes, by the time we increase K12 and our nursing homes (which includes those with develpmental disabilities) we could be looking at a billion dollar deficit. |
I have a hard time believing that just helping K12 and our nursing homes includes those with developmental disabilities alone, will add up to a billion dollar shortfall. There’s a lot more wrong than just those two cases. On the tax bill is this the same bill that you voted to cut 10 million dollars out of human services and to people with mental disabilities, but in the end voted against it? I haven't seen anything about your extreme agenda but I will have to say that it might be a little off. You at least vote to support working people a third of the time when many in you party never did during the last session.
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2004,8:07 am |
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Maxx,
Education and nursing homes are about 60% of the state's budget. A small change there costs lots, which is why when we held the funding for K-12 and nursing homes flat (did I mention the Gov and DFL Senate wanted to cut the homes) flat other areas had to take a larger hit.
What tax bill cut 10 mill out of human services?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 29 2004,9:23 am |
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Oh, I almost forgot, what about the Albert Lea Select Meats plant, what would you have done?
Any thoughts on the vote on the tax bill or should I stop asking?
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carpe ductem.....remember we're all in this together..I'm pull'n for you.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,1:13 pm |
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Yes Hormel is hard up for money now so I suppose they really need a Tax free zone now don't they? Maybe a few old Farmland worker might get a job there ( If they will hire them) but for the most part either they will ship in workers from down south or workers that already work for QPP (Hormel) will work there. So repdan what will be the payrate there? What do you think the rate of pay should be there? If the tax bill is the bill that you said that you were fighting for more state aid for cities in outside the metro area it depends what your and the members of your party were really tiring to do. I see that you and Anderson voted against the bill yet Günter and David’s voted for the bill , so we have 4 members of the house who all live in the southern Minnesota areas at odds on funding for cities outside the metro area. As I look at it more and more you are using this bill as a trap. Your party wanted this bill passed right! You, and the leadership of your party new that you had the votes to pass it. So if a few, Good Old Boys decided to vote against it to make themselves look good back home so be it. All you were doing is playing politics with this bill and you know it!!!
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,2:01 pm |
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Maxx, read my posts, I would prefer we not have to use tax free zones or TIF, but given the nature of economic development we need to do it to keep and get new jobs. So are for in favor of the new plant or not given what needed to be done to get it. Don't just whine about what you don't like, take a stand yes or no. I am a yes.
You continue to display a lack of understanding of how the game is played.
The Governor wanted the tax bill passed, yup, until the Thursday before the House did the tax bill in commitee we had the votes to change it. That day the Gov and staff leaned on a bunch of rural Republicans and got them to change their vote. His Chief of Staff called a few people in our distict a trying to get me to filp, I would not. Sorry if you don't like the facts but there they are. But none of the cuts would have happened if Sen John Hottinger, the DFL leader in the Senate had not sold out rural Minnesota hoping to win the majority of the House in 04. He was wrong and was tossed out by his own caucus last year. So lets see what we are left with, you think I am playing politics since you don't seem to like Republicans, but your same logic could be applied to Paul Wellstone but since you like him, that's different.
So, I guess what you are saying is there was no correct vote in 2003 for a Republican, how about for the Dems how should they have voted?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,3:45 pm |
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Maxx,
I understand what you are saying about taking a safe vote, I have seen it done. But how do you know, well in this case, you could look to the Mayor of Austin who was active in the fight, she was at the Capital and watched the first LGA vote and a former Mayor from Moorehead went from red (against us) to green when he knew there was enough room. I can tell you people who were with me the whole time, Howard Swenson from Mankato, Jeff Anderson from Austin, and others.
So then when someone says I will work from people from all parties, how should people judge that?
On LGA you could look at people who co-authored the bill with me and Sen Langseth and then voted against the amendment, but there are others who may have taken the safe vote, most city officals in the districts should know who these folks are because you ask them long before the vote, the folks who are your heros are those who commit and don't move off the mark. Rep's who try to "keep their powder dry" are the ones you have to watch.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,7:10 pm |
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repdan
Yes you might be right that In some ways I do not fully understand how the game is played. At one time I was in favor of the tax free zones. But as you see I am not so sure about it now. With the state looking at another Billion dollar deficit and giving profitable companies a tax free zones just doesn't seem right. I can understand where we are helping companies that are starting out or are small and tiring to grow but to give Hormel a piece of the pie when they can afford to pay the taxes anyway. Just seem to me like we the taxpayers are being had. You sir as well as I know that if in twelve year’s Iowa give them a sweetheart deal to move the plant to Iowa they will. My biggest problem with the governor and your party is they worry to much about big business and the wealthy and not the little guy. When you will give tax breaks to the richest people and raise taxes on the middle class and cut programs to the poor, just seems to me as cruel.
I would like to ask again, what are the wage rates the companies have to pay when getting a tax free zone to put their business on?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,7:44 pm |
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The wage rates are up to the cities that use them, and cities are not forced to use them. They would have to be over $9 per hour and I understand these are going to be greater than $10 to start. Would I prefer that we were able to create jobs without the program sure. And no, in 12 years I don't think they would move the plant or you would see more companies coming in from out of state. I think to date, the best thing about the programs is that we are not losing expansions out of state.
When did we raise taxes on the middle class? Who is the middle class?
How do you pay for programs if you don't create taxpayers? In Minnesota, something like 1/2 the income tax is paid by the top 10% of wage earners, how much should they pay? Lots of people pay a top federal rate of 28% (except John Kerry who paid 12%) how much do you want them to pay?
You are confusing caring about people with taking wealth from one group and giving it to another even if the result is we all have less. Cruel? If wanting people to be able to have a job that they can live on, good roads and schools and taking care of the folks who really need it is cruel, I'm guilty.
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Madd Max
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,8:44 pm |
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So when taxes are raised on a person making $30,000 a year but taxes are cut to a person make $500,000 a year and you believe is good, then yes you are guilty. You are having the $30,000 people pay for your roads Schools ect. ( You know there are many more people making 30,000 then 500,000 ) How many Representatives who sit in a house seats make $30,000 or less a year?
I have also been wondering why you have not been endorsed by education. I was told that you have only a 30% voting record in favor of education is this true? I know that you voted not to cut K-12 but you haven’t voted to give them more money either. Didn’t you vote to cut funding a couple years ago to Higher Education?
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repdan
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Posted on: Oct. 31 2004,11:06 pm |
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I was not endorsed by education minnesota because when I showed up to interview, there were only 3 people to endorse, one of them was the guy I beat in 98, when I was endoresed even though he was a member of the union. You might want to ask why they did not endorse my opponet, he is a retried educator and they did not endorse him and he interviewed.
I have no idea what the 30% deal of which you speak. Could be some AFL-CIO deal again but don't know. But then if were to believe what at least one letter writter this year said, Republicans hate education, which is odd since my wife is a teacher and I have 2 sons in the district. But then this is the same guy who at an Eggs and Issues once said the Senate voted to increase the K-12 budget and the House voted to cut it, which would really be a neat trick since the same bill has to pass both the House and Senate to become law.
Depending on if we are talking before or after tax income, and a family or single wage earner a $30,000 wage earner pays more in indirect taxes than income or poperty tax. Meaning taxes that are passed on to them in high prices. This group would pay a smaller % of their income in state and local taxes then every group making more money except the very highest income earners because of the sales tax.
So in Minnesota, when we decreased income tax for example, we decreased the 3 brackets by .05, .075. and .05. The result of decreasing the middle bracket more than the other 2 was to drive the majority of the cuts to the middle class.
But when you reduce taxes, the people who pay more of them are going to get more of the reduction in total dollars so then you get the tax cut for the rich mantra. But when taxes are increased in the same way, this same group will pay more.
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