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jimhanson 
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,2:54 pm |
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Back to the orginal thread| Quote | | I myself believe that this is a worthy deployment |
A worthy deployment? Yes--but I would rather see the National Guard used Stateside, and the Reserve's used as Reserves to the regular Army. The line has been blurred by the dramatic downsizing of the military and the need to augment regular units--and it DID happen under the Clinton Administration. This had nothing to do with Clinton's legal problems--it WAS a conscious decision to downsize the military and cut back the CIA. It can be argued that the perception of the U.S. as weak or indecisive emboldened the terrorists--thinking that there would be no reprisals. As UDAY Hussein told his advisor after he found out the UN wasn't going to save him--"This Bush, I think he means to come".
Bush bashers ask "Where is Bin Laden"? They asked the same questions about Saddam--until he was dragged out of his hole. Afghanistan is infinitely more difficult terrain to maneuver a mechanized army in--as the Russians found out.
This is more campaign rhetoric than it is national policy. Critics ask "Where is Bin Laden?"--then oppose deploying troops to actually pursue him.
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cpu_slave
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,4:29 pm |
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| Quote | | Doesn't it figure, the guy who says he hates hypocrites the most is the biggest hypocrite of all? |
Wow, once again I see you are pulling all this out of your ass. Care to point out exactly where I said I hate name calling? If you need attention, call your mommy. Otherwise, formulate a coherent question and join the conversation like grown-up. You don't want to bicker with me. I will embarrass you, and I couldn't care less what you have to say about it. If you insist on trying to provoke me, you'll get what you deserve. Everybody does.
Like these special-ed rejects:
| Quote | | First of all, Cpu_slave is an idiot |
Coming from someone who runs from a debate rather than defend his own position, care to prove your claim that I am an idiot?
| Quote | | Second of all, Clinton is an idiot |
The country (and my investments) were sure sitting better when this idiot was in the office.
| Quote | | Cpu you ask where is Osama? Why don't you ask Clinton, since Clinton once had Osama in his sights but let him go. |
Was this after he masterminded 9/11?
| Quote | | Clinton made public that he knew of WMDs in Iraq but did nothing about it. |
Plenty of air strikes in Iraq to be considered ‘nothing’. I remember something about bombing an aspirin factory and everyone getting their panties in a twist over it…
| Quote | | Clinton was busy fighting in court because of his own wrong doing! Don't try to blame this one on anyone but Billy Bob Clinton. |
Like I asked earlier, what f’ing business is it of yours what went on between two consenting adults? Was it poor judgment? Yes, and the lie about a blow job suddenly ballooned into an impeachable offense because he lied about what many believe was nobody’s business to begin with. Let’s see, impeachment over a lie, so where in the he!l is the trial over shrubs lies to the American public about WMD that sent this country to war in Iraq before we even had Afghanistan and Osama dealt with?
| Quote | So you think Clinton did a great job as President, but if he did a bad job on some things, it was because the conservatives were trying to expose him for perjury.
I have to laugh when I hear someone say, "well, he cheated on his wife, he lied under oath, and lied constantly other times also, but besides that he was a good guy." |
Again, bottom line the economy was riding high and the world did not hate us (as much), and not a single war under 8 years of Clinton. During that time, there was always some personal legal issue he was dealing with, be it whitewater, travelgate, hillaries bs investments, and of course the most famous blow job in history. I will cut him some slack, he did not have as much time to focus on the country as he had to focus on his own ass, but as far as the job of president he did what I expected a president to do, nothing more. I guess keeping him busy with his own problems kept him out of my business.
| Quote | | If you have a problem with the American system of electing a president, I suggest you call your Congressmen. |
To do what exactly? That's right, nothing. There have been many reports about what I would call serious allegations on how the entire Florida voting went down. Not a hot news item, but reports on how many people who voted had their votes nullified because a ‘mistake’ was made where these people were thought to be felons. This happened on a scale grand enough that in many peoples minds basically decided the presidency. Unfortunately, it’s all coming out after the fact, so what would it really change? Again, nothing.
| Quote | Try to guess who said this.
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| Quote | | If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program. |
Any ideas of what famous person used such strong language condemning Saddam? It was Bill Clinton. |
After reading it again and again, I still fail to see where either the words ‘invasion’ and ‘war’ are mentioned. To any one paying attention, Iraq was only a threat to itself. After years of inspections, without any actual proof of WMD the current administration felt the need to go war, and I have a problem with it.
| Quote | | it DID happen under the Clinton Administration. This had nothing to do with Clinton's legal problems--it WAS a conscious decision to downsize the military and cut back the CIA. |
Hate to break this to you jim, but the current administration also closed bases and continued downsizing the military, until 9/11 that is. Besides, downsizing of the military happened simultaneously with bringing the technology out of the Vietnam era into the 21st century. Which would you rather have, numbers or the technology because the congress was not going to spend for both!
| Quote | | Bush bashers ask "Where is Bin Laden"? They asked the same questions about Saddam--until he was dragged out of his hole. |
Again, why the rush into Iraq when Osama had yet to even be captured? All this proves is that Saddam was in no way the threat he was made out to be, while Osama has proven that he is. The invasion into Iraq has only increased membership into terrorist organizations, something that unfortunately we will have to deal with at some point.
| Quote | | This is more campaign rhetoric than it is national policy. Critics ask "Where is Bin Laden?"--then oppose deploying troops to actually pursue him. |
An example of rhetoric right here. If I remember correctly, it was actually the current administration who said our troops are stretched too thin and that is why we are seeing 18 month or more tours for some of the soldiers. Basically, if we did not go into Iraq in the first place we would have had plenty of troops in Afghanistan to have found Osama by now and would have been working on restoring the peace there, rather than trying to be an occupying force in 2 different countries simultaneously.
WTF is this ‘cornhole cpu_slave’ day?
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cwolff
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,5:43 pm |
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| Quote | | after shrub illegitimately became president |
Cpu_slave, if Billy Bob Gore could have won his own state he would of won the election! Maybe the people within his state were the only ones that really knew what a dumb a$$ he really was other than of course the fact that the Republicans already knew.
| Quote | | Was it poor judgment? Yes, and the lie about a blow job suddenly ballooned into an impeachable offense because he lied about what many believe was nobody’s business to begin with. |
Cpu_slave, "many believe" ? Who the hell are you talking about? Have you been smoking pot with Minnow again? I guess your right, lieing to the public should have no bearing on the President's ability to run the country! What? Are you kidding or are you really just having a melt down?
I think, no let me change that to I know you have lost it!
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,5:59 pm |
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| Quote | | WTF is this ‘cornhole cpu_slave’ day? |
 Nah, just "giving as good as receiving"--and you are a formidable adversary.
| Quote | Basically, if we did not go into Iraq in the first place we would have had plenty of troops in Afghanistan to have found Osama by now and would have been working on restoring the peace there, rather than trying to be an occupying force in 2 different countries simultaneously.
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What is this--we can't fight 2 wars at the same time--I thought that has been the plan since Reagan. What's next--"Tyrants--take a number? You will be dealt with in the order in which you've committed atrocities. If you've Killed Americans, press 1 NOW. If you've killed millions of people, but NO Americans, press 2 NOW. If you are threatening the world with nuclear arms, press 3 NOW. If you are still angry over the 2000 election, press 4 NOW".
"I see that you have pressed number 1. If this is correct, press the # key. Please enter the estimated number of Americans killed, followed by the # key. If you are calling to complain about the loss of the Taliban, press 1 NOW. If you are calling to complain about losing sleep to American patrols, Predator UAVs, or Stealth Bombers, or the fact that Bush is illegally occupying the White House, press 2 NOW. If you would like to trade stories of your horrible living conditions with Saddam Hussein, press 3 NOW. If you want the Infidels out of the Middle East--or Bush out of the White House, press 4 NOW, or wait on the line to talk to John Kerry. If you would like to listen to a message from President Bush--delivered by a U.S. Armed Forces emissary, please press 5 NOW--stay on the line, and hold your cell phone out the entrance to your cave. The estimated wait time for Mr. Bush's message to be delivered to you is 90 seconds."
GOODBYE!!!
All in good fun, CPU_slave!
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,7:45 pm |
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| Quote | | Again, bottom line the economy was riding high and the world did not hate us (as much) |
Who cares what the world thinks, in most countrys their press is a joke, they only report propaganda to enrage their citizens. If we're going to start conducting international polls to decide policy based on people informed only by a biased anti-american media, we'd really be in trouble.
| Quote | | and not a single war under 8 years of Clinton |
Of course not, if we had been attacked Clinton would have surrendered, or paid them off like he did with North Korea.
| Quote | | During that time, there was always some personal legal issue he was dealing with, be it whitewater, travelgate, hillaries bs investments |
Doesn't this tell you something about the guy?
| Quote | | There have been many reports about what I would call serious allegations on how the entire Florida voting went down. |
When I said to call you Congressman, I meant if you were in favor of changing the electoral college system. As for the Florida ballots, I've never heard of what you mentioned (people thought to be felons). What I do know is that many of them screwed up because they couldn't understand the complicated nature of a butterfly ballot! Then the media starts repeating the democrats cry that the butterfly ballot was a conspiracy by the republicans to trick uneducated voters. If they can't figure out how to use a ballot, after someone clearly explains how to use it, it might be better for them not to vote to begin with.
| Quote | | WTF is this 'cornhole cpu_slave' day? |
Although I disagree with you about Bush, from many of your posts its obvious your informed on the issues, so I won't insult you like others have. Just trying to give another perspective as I see it.
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Wareagle11B
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,10:46 pm |
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Let's see if I understand this correctly. Some misguided person who has absolutely no idea what he is talking about is saying that President Bush is responsible for what happened on September 11th 2001. Uh I am sorry to point you off your Clinton loving track but it happened on PRESIDENT Bush's watch because of former President Clinton's inability to do what was right and send the US Military out to hunt Bin Laden down and kill him. Last I checked cruise missiles cannot hit someone hiding deep inside a cave but a Snipers bullet or a couple of Improvised Explosive Devices sure as hell could have nailed him. Blow Job Bill failed to use the military because he had no clue how to use it properly. That is because Blow Job Bill had absolutely no experience in the proper use of the Armed Forces of the USA nor had he ever spent time in the military. Instead of defending this country he was protesting another war.
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Wareagle11B
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Posted on: Mar. 05 2004,10:59 pm |
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CPU slave there is nothing wrong with sex between 2 consenting adults unless 1 of those 2 happens to be the President of this country. Furthermore Clinton had many many warnings where Osama Bin Laden was concerned long before 9/11 ever happened. The inability of Blow Job Bill to get the job done is not due only to his distractions in the legal system of this country but due as well to his inability to understand the proper use of our Armed Forces. Check your facts about the former administrations actions and I believe you will find that much of what you are saying is as misguided as the statement about President Bush illegitimately becoming President. Bill Clinton did not win the majority of the popular vote either but yet due to the Electoral college system he became President. The system needs to be changed so that WE can decide our President and not some outdated system. It is a known fact that when a President first takes office much of what happens in the first 6-9 months of his term is usually the aftermath of the previous administrations policies and what not. What happened on 9/11 can in no way be blamed on our current President because the intelligence failures can be traced back in a large part to former President Clintons Administration.
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minnow fan
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Posted on: Mar. 06 2004,12:40 am |
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Amazing irsheyes.
We agree.
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rosebudinal
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Posted on: Mar. 06 2004,6:13 pm |
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And wow, minnow fan and I agree, good Consise points, Jim and Irish eyes, but, why waste your breathe they will never " get it". No comprende. They obviously are still under the illusion that the after effects of policies, legislation and acts do not happen overnite and on the average take 8 years. Politics 101 lesson free of charge.....
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Liberal
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Posted on: Mar. 06 2004,8:05 pm |
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No comprende. They obviously are still under the illusion that the after effects of policies, legislation and acts do not happen overnite and on the average take 8 years. Politics 101 lesson free of charge.....
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Oh come on you aren't going to blame this on Clinton.
The Reagan administration and Pakistani intelligence created the Taliban to try to get the world to believe that the entire Islamic world was fighting against the Soviet Union. Reagan even went so far as to compare the mudjaheddin warriors to the 'Founding Fathers'. The only difference was that these founding fathers were more than happy to get American weapons and millions of dollars and then later use those weapons to kill American soldiers.
History 101 lesson free of charge.....
It's amazes me that Americans can watch the news every night and see mudjaheddin warriors and Iraqi soldiers carrying soviet AK47's and never question what happened to all the American weapons Reagan gave them.
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