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Common Citizen 
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2013,11:47 am |
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What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you?
You're worried about costs while other gov't agencies waste billions every year. Where's the outrage about that? 
Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham.
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
nuff said...
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Liberal
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2013,12:52 pm |
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Maybe you kooks should put it on the ballot and see if the average Minnesotan agrees with your extreme views. 
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Glad I Left
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2013,4:26 pm |
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^ I wasn't for going the route of amending the State Constitution. That was a dumb-ass move by the repub's to try and circumvent the Governor.
Republicans have a knack for not being able to lay out their plan in an easy, concise manner. And always end up playing defense because of it.
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After we screw up health care reform, let's take on the initiative of unscrewing the education system (gov't education)
Tacitus: (c. 56 AD-c. 117) "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates."
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2013,7:21 pm |
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 17 2013,1:13 pm)
QUOTE I see this as an opportunity to eliminate illegal votes. Period... I see an opportunity for voter fraud, and that opportunity should be closed.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
Maddog: QUOTE If the bank has never been robbed, don't lock the vault.
Common Citizen: QUOTE What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you?
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
We make it as difficult as possible to break into homes and rob banks. So, the above might be fitting comparisons to Republican efforts on voting restrictions. 
I bet if we changed from the Right to vote to the Right to bear arms the above comparisons would change pretty quick. 
Why not require a photo permit and registration before owning or transferring a gun, no loopholes. I mean, you've got an ID, you're not doing anything illegal, are you? You shouldn't have anything to hide, and we want to eliminate fraud and people abusing the system. We can make it free and organize rides to the Sheriffs office. Who wants to carpool, we can do it on the same day we vote so we'll have our ID's ready. 
It's just like locking your doors.
QUOTE Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham.
Those same agencies could've easily had a bake sale to raise money for poll taxes. Tutors to help people who aren't grandfathered in and have to do litmus tests. Jim Crow laws on voting did not necessarily have to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, but they just did, it was de facto segregation.
I'd prefer we have as few restrictions on rights as possible, whether it's the 4th Amendment, 5th, 2nd, or the right to vote. In a country that prides itself on its election process, or voter turnout is embarrassingly low. nuff said...
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Grinning_Dragon
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Posted on: Aug. 25 2013,7:58 pm |
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(irisheyes @ Aug. 25 2013,7:21 pm)
QUOTE
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 17 2013,1:13 pm)
QUOTE I see this as an opportunity to eliminate illegal votes. Period... I see an opportunity for voter fraud, and that opportunity should be closed.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors. Maddog: QUOTE If the bank has never been robbed, don't lock the vault. Common Citizen: QUOTE What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you?
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed. We make it as difficult as possible to break into homes and rob banks. So, the above might be fitting comparisons to Republican efforts on voting restrictions. I bet if we changed from the Right to vote to the Right to bear arms the above comparisons would change pretty quick. Why not require a photo permit and registration before owning or transferring a gun, no loopholes. I mean, you've got an ID, you're not doing anything illegal, are you? You shouldn't have anything to hide, and we want to eliminate fraud and people abusing the system. We can make it free and organize rides to the Sheriffs office. Who wants to carpool, we can do it on the same day we vote so we'll have our ID's ready. It's just like locking your doors. QUOTE Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham. Those same agencies could've easily had a bake sale to raise money for poll taxes. Tutors to help people who aren't grandfathered in and have to do litmus tests. Jim Crow laws on voting did not necessarily have to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, but they just did, it was de facto segregation.I'd prefer we have as few restrictions on rights as possible, whether it's the 4th Amendment, 5th, 2nd, or the right to vote. In a country that prides itself on its election process, or voter turnout is embarrassingly low. nuff said...
Where is the Right to vote explicitly conveyed in the Constitution?
Qualifications to vote are set by the State, as long as those qualifications DO NOT infringe upon Enumerated Rights. These types of Rights (i.e. voting) are positive rights, whereas Enumerated Rights like the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. are negative rights.
Your proposal to treat a negative right as a positive right are in direct conflict with the Constitution.
Ever wonder why we have such a low turn out of voters, it wouldn't have to do with the lackluster or down right POS candidates that run would it? Or maybe, a there are just that many self absorbed morons who are so uneducated and show zero interest to educate themselves politically, as long as they are entertained with the latest fatasspieceofcrap looser like honey boo boo, crap.
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*The object of war is NOT to DIE for YOUR Country, but to make the OTHER BASTARD DIE for HIS...Patton
My Constitutional Rights trump your dead.
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Glad I Left
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2013,1:54 pm |
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So the wife and I were watching 16 candles today and there is one scene toward the end where Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall and Emilo Estevez are discussing Farmer Ted's (Anthony Michael Hall) fake ID. It is pointed out that he made himself 68 yrs old. He was asked why he needed a fake ID.
And naturally he answers: To vote!
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After we screw up health care reform, let's take on the initiative of unscrewing the education system (gov't education)
Tacitus: (c. 56 AD-c. 117) "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates."
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Aug. 31 2013,6:05 pm |
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This is for Expat...
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v...VkQ7qzA 
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