Topic: voter ID's
started by: Santorini
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 28 2013,9:16 pm
I know this topic has been on here before...but since the senate votedLet's talk about it again!
Can someone explain why some are opposed to showing a picture ID
Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 28 2013,9:24 pm
because dead people don't have IDs.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 28 2013,9:39 pm
Because apparently old and poor people cannot get one?We have to show ID to vote, no ID no vote.
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 28 2013,10:44 pm
Interestingly, Obama did not win the states that required ID to vote! Hmmm
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 28 2013,10:52 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Jun. 28 2013,9:39 pm)
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Because apparently old and poor people cannot get one?
We have to show ID to vote, no ID no vote.
We have to show ID to vote, no ID no vote.
Now that's the common sense approach... no ID..no vote...
Plenty of time for the ones who claim that can't get ID to get one!!
Maybe the shut-ins and those without transportation could call say a hot Line like...1-800-get-meID...then a govt rep could come take a pic and when done...mail the ID...see...problem solved!!
Posted by Santorini on Jun. 28 2013,10:56 pm
OR...when people apply for assistance or healthcare the intake worker could ask if they need a voter ID and process it right then and there!!So many common sense ways to handle it
Posted by twingroves on Jun. 29 2013,6:10 am
I think they should need a picture id to get food stamps I bet they could get one then
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 30 2013,5:36 am
So where are the libs on this subject??? No shows, nothing quirky and snide to say? Lib? Alcitizen? Irish??? No opinion ?
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 06 2013,7:16 pm
(Self-Banished @ Jun. 30 2013,5:36 am)
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So where are the libs on this subject??? No shows, nothing quirky and snide to say? Lib? Alcitizen? Irish??? No opinion ?
I bookmarked this, and I'll be happy to chime in with one of those lib opinions.
If only Republicans would be as eager to stop all of the securities fraud on Wall Street and Banking as they are to place restrictions on voting. Jeez, once again they show who they're fighting for (and who they're fighting against)!
University of Wisconsin study in 2005 showed these findings:
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The population of elderly persons 65 and older without a drivers license or a state photo ID totals 177,399, and of these 70 percent are women.
Minorities and poor populations are the most likely to
have drivers license problems. Less than
half (47 percent) of Milwaukee County African
American adults and 43 percent of Hispanic
adults have a valid drivers license compared to 85
percent of white adults in the Balance of State.
The situation for young adults ages 18-24 is even worse with only 26 percent of African Americans and 34 percent of Hispanics in Milwaukee County with a valid license compared to 71 percent of young white adults in the Balance of State.
The population that changes residence frequently is
most likely to have a drivers license address
that differs from their current residence. This would include lower-income residents who rent and students and young adults living away from home...
< University of Wisconsin: Barriers to Voting >
Minorities and poor populations are the most likely to
have drivers license problems. Less than
half (47 percent) of Milwaukee County African
American adults and 43 percent of Hispanic
adults have a valid drivers license compared to 85
percent of white adults in the Balance of State.
The situation for young adults ages 18-24 is even worse with only 26 percent of African Americans and 34 percent of Hispanics in Milwaukee County with a valid license compared to 71 percent of young white adults in the Balance of State.
The population that changes residence frequently is
most likely to have a drivers license address
that differs from their current residence. This would include lower-income residents who rent and students and young adults living away from home...
< University of Wisconsin: Barriers to Voting >
Santorini:
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Can someone explain why some are opposed to showing a picture ID
You're under the mistaken impression that they're asking for just a picture ID. Minnesota Republicans never came forward with the exact regulations that they'd have on the amendment. They said we'd have to pass it before we'd know! lol Some states like Tennessee are saying it's only the appropriate photo ID for some groups that's allowed, like people with gun permits or veterans ID even if it's expired. But you can't use your student ID. Even though nearly any student ID I've seen has a picture, republicans won't allow it. They won't allow for any city or county issued ID either.
These are in addition to other voting restrictions like what happened in Florida last November. The Republican governor limited early voting days that were in place, limited places and times, purged the voter rolls limiting many voters, and if that wasn't enough, they put in place restrictions on organizations that were doing voter registration drives.
Which goes to show, republicans do really love regulations, as long as it's putting more limits on who votes.
Voter restrictions don't have to limit people voting, but in the real world, they really do. Just like the poll taxes and literacy tests of the south didn't HAVE to limit voting of some groups, but it certainly did.
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 06 2013,7:27 pm
Still didn't answer except to say the voter ID system lacks continuity!If you can't prove who you are... don't vote!
Ya want the privilege fulfill the obligation get photo ID...
Ya want the right to vote provide the ID you've earned that right..it's quite simple
Posted by irisheyes on Jul. 06 2013,9:55 pm
(Santorini @ Jul. 06 2013,7:27 pm)
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Still didn't answer except to say the voter ID system lacks continuity!
If you can't prove who you are... don't vote!
Ya want the privilege fulfill the obligation get photo ID...
Ya want the right to vote provide the ID you've earned that right..it's quite simple
If you can't prove who you are... don't vote!
Ya want the privilege fulfill the obligation get photo ID...
Ya want the right to vote provide the ID you've earned that right..it's quite simple
Voting isn't a privilege, there's a right to vote in this country!
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If you can't prove who you are... don't vote!
They've even convinced you that it's a privilege that you must EARN through obligations. Exactly what I've been saying, Republicans want even less people to vote.
Google poll taxes and literacy tests. Any of your arguments can be used to say that we should still have tests and taxes in the south before you can vote.
We have abysmally low voter turnout in this country as it is, it's hard to understand why you're advocating that you want more restrictions to lower voter participation even more. And that you've lowered a right to that of a privilege that must be earned.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 07 2013,6:42 am
^ then what's to stop election fraud???
Posted by grassman on Jul. 07 2013,8:16 am
I would say voter fraud would be the same as treason against our Country. Make the penalty fit the crime. 
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2013,9:27 am
We have voter registration cards in Minnesota, your name appears on the manifest on the day you vote and is checkedoff when you sign the manifest.
This is just another effort by the Republicans to disenfranchise the workingman, another expensive hassle to cull the herd.
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 07 2013,11:16 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 07 2013,9:27 am)
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We have voter registration cards in Minnesota, your name appears on the manifest on the day you vote and is checked
off when you sign the manifest.
This is just another effort by the Republicans to disenfranchise the workingman, another expensive hassle to cull the herd.
off when you sign the manifest.
This is just another effort by the Republicans to disenfranchise the workingman, another expensive hassle to cull the herd.
Not just talking about MN...
Remember when GW beat Gore and Gore was never ahead at any time, but the dems screamed voter fraud? Democrats demanded something be done to prevent fraud. And in 04 the dems demanded more accurate voting machines then claimed they were rigged cause they didn't get the result they wanted? That was the end of the lefts interest in voter fraud
Dem congressional candidate wendy Rosen drops out of race due to voter fraud
Paul etheridge dem mayor candidate convicted of voter fraud
Miss. NAACP official convicted of 10 counts of voter fraud sent to prison (local Memphis news)
MN leads the nation in voter fraud convictions)
How does voter ID in any way disenfranchise the working man?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2013,11:40 am
(Santorini @ Jul. 07 2013,11:16 am)
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How does voter ID in any way disenfranchise the working man?
I wouldn’t expect you to know as you’ve never really worked, if you had you’d know what a hassle it is to get time off.
What’s this Republican fiasco going to cost US!
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MN leads the nation in voter fraud convictions
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Posted by Santorini on Jul. 07 2013,12:14 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 07 2013,11:40 am)
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(Santorini @ Jul. 07 2013,11:16 am)
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How does voter ID in any way disenfranchise the working man?
I wouldn’t expect you to know as you’ve never really worked, if you had you’d know what a hassle it is to get time off.
What’s this Republican fiasco going to cost US!
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MN leads the nation in voter fraud convictions
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Never really worked..this has to do with voter fraud how???OK I'll bite...
20 years in hospitality/ customer service/ management
15 years in healthcare/ also self employed in conjunction
Finished college while working
And you?
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 07 2013,12:37 pm
Norm Colman tried to push this voter fraud stuff a few years ago, they were unable to come up with one case of impersonation.I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 07 2013,12:43 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 07 2013,12:37 pm)
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Norm Colman tried to push this voter fraud stuff a few years ago, they were unable to come up with one case of impersonation.
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
Your angst towards me personally makes me wonder if I turned you down for a date or something in the past!
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 07 2013,12:45 pm
(Santorini @ Jul. 07 2013,12:43 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Jul. 07 2013,12:37 pm)
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Norm Colman tried to push this voter fraud stuff a few years ago, they were unable to come up with one case of impersonation.
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
Your angst towards me personally makes me wonder if I turned you down for a date or something in the past!
Like my gramma used to say about gossip and innuendos:
" Ah, that's just packing house talk"!!!
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 07 2013,12:51 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 07 2013,12:37 pm)
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Norm Colman tried to push this voter fraud stuff a few years ago, they were unable to come up with one case of impersonation.
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
I’ve outed you by name in the past your identity is no secret, so you had some part time jobs waiting tables and
cleaning bed pans. Your income was padded by MY TAX DOLLARS from an undeserved VA pension, which I’m sure you converted to an undeserved VA widows pension!
I waited tables in 1976! Barely out of high school!
Beside the point..if I am so poor yet so republican kind of would blow your theory of republicans being all about money people wouldn't it !!
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2013,8:42 am
(Santorini @ Jul. 07 2013,12:51 pm)
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Beside the point..if I am so poor yet so republican kind of would blow your theory of republicans being all about money people wouldn't it !!
There’s a number of people on this forum who for some reason vote against there own self interest, latching on to
fringe issues or scare tactics pushed by the rightwing propagandists to justify their Corporate Fascist alignment.
The Republican Party you so naively defend votes against the interest of the working class at every opportunity.
From unilateral attack on labor rights to the outright call for expulsion of the minimum wage laws.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2013,8:57 am
^ and who might these posters be???
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2013,9:13 am
^Look in the mirror you’ll see one I guarantee it!
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 18 2013,9:15 am
< WWW.conservatismvsliberalism.net/index.html >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2013,9:29 am
the link you posted is just what I was talking about smoke and mirrors fringe issues scare tactics.
Posted by Santorini on Jul. 18 2013,9:51 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 18 2013,9:29 am)
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the link you posted is just what I was talking about smoke and mirrors fringe issues scare tactics.
What on that comparisons list would be considered a fringe issue?
If you read it you would have grasped the central issue to be less govt and individual responsibility from a conservative perspective vs more, big govt and less or no individual responsibility from the liberal perspective.
That is neither a fringe issue nor a scare tactic...that IS the central issue.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2013,11:49 am
(Expatriate @ Jul. 18 2013,9:13 am)
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^Look in the mirror you’ll see one I guarantee it!
and I'll guarantee it's a pretty site every morning
I fend for myself and my family, nobody else, big gov. Does nothing but get in the way of commerce.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 18 2013,11:54 am
The voter ID debate is nothing more than the debate about some form of national ID. There, I said it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 18 2013,2:15 pm
^ awfully good point.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 18 2013,2:56 pm
(Santorini @ Jul. 18 2013,9:51 am)
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If you read it you would have grasped the central issue to be less govt and individual responsibility from a conservative perspective vs more, big govt and less or no individual responsibility from the liberal perspective.
That is neither a fringe issue nor a scare tactic...that IS the central issue.
That is neither a fringe issue nor a scare tactic...that IS the central issue.
When the Republicans talk individual responsibility and deregulation they're talking about rolling back labor laws that came about by many years of struggle in this country, and people like you bite on this bull!
Remember the Republican Party has never voted once to increase the minimum wage in fact they tried to abolish the law, they’re on an all out movement to crush labor, Bush passed a law that eliminated overtime pay for anyone deemed professional, these aren’t union folks just regular everyday working class Americans. He also pushed for Company ran unions and to abolish what’s left of organized labor.
Republican’s are and have been on an all out attack on unions there’s hardly a day goes by that your buddy with the cyst on his butt who never showed for his induction physical for the Military hammers away at the working class.
The Republicans will have you on equal footing with Chinese labor, they'll abolish minimum and give your Social Security to an unregulated Wall Street, you watch that 2.8 trillion dollars in the trust fund disappear when that happens.
The Republicans have their razzle dazzle about big spending Democrats big Government but truth be told Republicans have cost US more in every Presidential term for the past 65 years.
Let me tell you something about personal responsibility, I could run to the VA and get a pension for agent orange exposer or maybe claim late onset PTS but I don’t because that’s stealing from the people who pay tax! But some people have no morels they draw an undeserved VA widows pension and preach individual responsibility.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2013,6:21 am
No difference anymore between Republican and Democrat, they just all politicians just in it for their own gain.I must say though the Dems seemed to have done a wonderful job of running Detroit
Plentiful, inexpensive housing (80K abandoned homes)
A healthy city base(18 billion in debt)
And a strong employment outlook(18% unemployment)
Yep, as usual, the Dems have shown their business prowess with generations of control in the motor city
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2013,8:01 am
^Stop listening to those AM propagandists, Detroit’s problems are similar to Albert Lea’s or for that matter the entire country!1950 Detroit had over 200,000 manufacturing jobs today 20,000 /source ~Forbes
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2013,8:18 am
^ this was on MSNBC this morn dumbass.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 19 2013,8:28 am
< http://www.forbes.com/sites...-answer >
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2013,9:27 am
so maybe the unions can buy it cheap. China???
Will obammy bail them out???
I have to admit, I liked the comparison to Albert Lea. Again, another city run by short sighted people.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 19 2013,12:25 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 19 2013,8:01 am)
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^Stop listening to those AM propagandists, Detroit’s problems are similar to Albert Lea’s or for that matter the entire country!
1950 Detroit had over 200,000 manufacturing jobs today 20,000 /source ~Forbes
1950 Detroit had over 200,000 manufacturing jobs today 20,000 /source ~Forbes
The Republican version of "Life's tough, Buttercup," reads something like this: It's a global economy.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 19 2013,1:52 pm
^ Well it most certainly is.
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 24 2013,5:11 am
(Self-Banished @ Jul. 19 2013,6:21 am)
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I must say though the Dems seemed to have done a wonderful job of running Detroit
Michigan is being run by a Republican controlled congress and a Republican Governor..
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2013,5:16 am
(alcitizens @ Jul. 24 2013,5:11 am)
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(Self-Banished @ Jul. 19 2013,6:21 am)
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I must say though the Dems seemed to have done a wonderful job of running Detroit
Michigan is being run by a Republican controlled congress and a Republican Governor..
...and Detroit has been run by the Dems and the unions since the 50's
Posted by Moparman on Jul. 24 2013,7:54 am
When union jobs with union wages were plentiful Detroit was the 4th largest city in the country thriving and prospering. Folks could actually afford the cars they made, they spent their money locally supporting hundreds of businesses and thousands of jobs. As the war the middle class intensified Detroit didn't strand a chance.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2013,9:03 am
As a few on this site are so fond of pointing out, I'm just a truck driver yet I can afford to buy a new car every few years, a nice house, vacation property etc and I did it without belonging to any damned union.In Detroit, along with several other cities to come, the elected officials were weak and the unions were greedy and they're now getting their come-uppens. The hilarious thing is the unions suing saying the city cannot file bankruptcy. Where's the city going to get the money from?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2013,10:49 am
Expensive government regulations and taxes destroyed Detroit. It simply became cheaper to make cars elsewhere. Eventually, "elsewhere" meant overseas.Semiconductor giant Intel says it costs $1,000,000,000 less to start a chip factory overseas than it does in the U.S.
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 24 2013,11:04 am
^love canal & slave wages = unregulated corporations
Posted by twingroves on Jul. 24 2013,11:30 am
the unions and the illegals are the ones that wrecked this country
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2013,11:54 am
(twingroves @ Jul. 24 2013,11:30 am)
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the unions and the illegals are the ones that wrecked this country
Derp is as derp does...
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2013,12:37 pm
I had to look that up, learn something new today.Also describes Democrat, Repunlican= DeRp, fitting.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 24 2013,2:33 pm
(Expatriate @ Jul. 24 2013,11:04 am)
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^love canal & slave wages = unregulated corporations
Who are you to say what "slave wages" are?
Unregulated? So if a corporation is not under the perview of our gov. it's not regulated properly?
Sounds pretty arrogant to me.
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 24 2013,3:34 pm
Arrogant is when a large city in in bankruptcy and all the unions are concerned with is "where's my pension?" Cities across the nation have been on a downward spiral for years. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leader have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions. I'm not saying the each city's problems lie completely in the cost of retirement plans, bu tthey are a major contributor. Union pensions were one of the bigger reasons why Detroit went under in 2008. Now instread of just the auto industry, it's the whole darn town. The state of California is on the brink of collapse because of pensions. They say Los Angeles may be only two to three years away.
< Arrogant union leaders. > I guess it's been happening for quite a long time.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 24 2013,3:51 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 24 2013,3:34 pm)
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Arrogant is when a large city in in bankruptcy and all the unions are concerned with is "where's my pension?"
Cities across the nation have been on a downward spiral for years. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leader have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions. I'm not saying the each city's problems lie completely in the cost of retirement plans, bu tthey are a major contributor. Union pensions were one of the bigger reasons why Detroit went under in 2008. Now instread of just the auto industry, it's the whole darn town. The state of California is on the brink of collapse because of pensions. They say Los Angeles may be only two to three years away.
< Arrogant union leaders. > I guess it's been happening for quite a long time.
Cities across the nation have been on a downward spiral for years. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leader have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions. I'm not saying the each city's problems lie completely in the cost of retirement plans, bu tthey are a major contributor. Union pensions were one of the bigger reasons why Detroit went under in 2008. Now instread of just the auto industry, it's the whole darn town. The state of California is on the brink of collapse because of pensions. They say Los Angeles may be only two to three years away.
< Arrogant union leaders. > I guess it's been happening for quite a long time.
That's a specious argument, at best...
Devalue the dollar steadily for a hundred years, and what do you expect? Those pigeons have to come home to roost, sooner or later. Factor in the unabated offshoring of jobs, and you start to get to the real meat and potatoes of the problem.
This country consumes more than it produces now. I don't know how much more obviously unsustainable this can be.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 24 2013,7:47 pm
(Botto 82 @ Jul. 24 2013,10:49 am)
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Expensive government regulations and taxes destroyed Detroit. It simply became cheaper to make cars elsewhere. Eventually, "elsewhere" meant overseas.
Semiconductor giant Intel says it costs $1,000,000,000 less to start a chip factory overseas than it does in the U.S.
Semiconductor giant Intel says it costs $1,000,000,000 less to start a chip factory overseas than it does in the U.S.
HMMMMM.
And right there is the problem. When govt becomes a hindrance to jobs in America.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 26 2013,8:10 pm
I think if you go back to the late 60's and early 70's you will realize that we had a powerful rocket with no protection from a crash. They were fast, powerful, and light as a feather. How many of these muscle cars are left? Not very many. Most were wrapped around a pole or just disintegrated. Look at the crash records of cars today. Sometimes we do need protection from ourselves. Also, there million dollar plus homes boarded up in Michigan, union workers?
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2013,6:52 am
I lived through the 60's and the 70's just fine. I don't want any help or hinderance from the gov other than too guard our borders from invading masses.
Posted by Botto 82 on Jul. 27 2013,11:23 am
(grassman @ Jul. 26 2013,8:10 pm)
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I think if you go back to the late 60's and early 70's you will realize that we had a powerful rocket with no protection from a crash. They were fast, powerful, and light as a feather.
Light as a feather? I learned to drive in a '67 Olds 98 coupe. That was no lightweight. My first car was a '72 Plymouth Fury. Aside from Imperials, that was the heaviest body style Chrysler made.
The real dangerous rides happened onto the scene in the late 70's/early 80's , with the Dodge Omni, the Chevy Chevette, Ford Pinto, AMC Gremlin, Ford Maverick, and Honda's first Civics.
In my opinion, it's not about the equipment. It's that driving skills have gone down over the years.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jul. 27 2013,5:25 pm
To most driver in today's world skilled driving means balancing a burger and a latte while texting at 65mph. 
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2013,10:36 pm
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Sometimes we do need protection from ourselves.
No we don't. Also; above all, govt would be and is the WORST at providing or even assuming.
I prefer dangerous Liberty to peaceful slavery.
I will determine what is needed for MY life as I KNOW what is best for ME. Sovereignty of self trumps the needs of the many.
Posted by grassman on Jul. 28 2013,6:57 am
I geuss my reference was missed. I was referring to the auto industry to be made to implement some safety features into their vehicles. The Saab had built in roll cages way back in the late 60's.
Posted by twingroves on Jul. 28 2013,7:25 am
all the cars are made of plastic and pop cans what do you expect when you have a crash you DIE
Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 30 2013,3:56 pm
(MADDOG @ Jul. 24 2013,3:34 pm)
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Arrogant is when a large city in in bankruptcy and all the unions are concerned with is "where's my pension?"
Cities across the nation have been on a downward spiral for years. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leader have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions. I'm not saying the each city's problems lie completely in the cost of retirement plans, bu they are a major contributor. Union pensions were one of the bigger reasons why Detroit went under in 2008. Now instead of just the auto industry, it's the whole darn town.
Cities across the nation have been on a downward spiral for years. Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leader have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions. I'm not saying the each city's problems lie completely in the cost of retirement plans, bu they are a major contributor. Union pensions were one of the bigger reasons why Detroit went under in 2008. Now instead of just the auto industry, it's the whole darn town.
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THE REAL ROOT OF DETROIT'S IMPLOSION
Detroit's city of 1.5 million becomes a city of less than half that size, with 47% of its remaining residents functionally illiterate, a number associated with many Third World countries.
A city where it takes an hour for the cops to show up. Where 1/3 of ambulances are inoperable. Corruption. Blight. A death spiral. A canary in the coal mine. A cautionary tale.
While many factors where at play in Detroit, one cause, above all others, led to this calamity.
It wasn't race relations.
It wasn't corruption.
It wasn't the auto industry getting eaten alive by legacy costs (getting warmer).
It wasn't out of control government spending (starting to sweat).
It wasn't even unsustainable pensions (getting way hot).
The root cause of Detroit's problems boils down to the public policy decision made in the 1960s and 1970s to allow public employees to form unions and collectively bargain for pay and other benefits.
It should come as no surprise that public unions are bankrupting cities, counties, states and the federal government with unsustainable pension costs.
What's worse, Minneapolis and St. Paul, Mankato and Albert Lea are not immune from this. City leaders have been throwing the taxpayer under the bus in the form of union pensions.Detroit's city of 1.5 million becomes a city of less than half that size, with 47% of its remaining residents functionally illiterate, a number associated with many Third World countries.
A city where it takes an hour for the cops to show up. Where 1/3 of ambulances are inoperable. Corruption. Blight. A death spiral. A canary in the coal mine. A cautionary tale.
While many factors where at play in Detroit, one cause, above all others, led to this calamity.
It wasn't race relations.
It wasn't corruption.
It wasn't the auto industry getting eaten alive by legacy costs (getting warmer).
It wasn't out of control government spending (starting to sweat).
It wasn't even unsustainable pensions (getting way hot).
The root cause of Detroit's problems boils down to the public policy decision made in the 1960s and 1970s to allow public employees to form unions and collectively bargain for pay and other benefits.
It should come as no surprise that public unions are bankrupting cities, counties, states and the federal government with unsustainable pension costs.
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Don't think that Detroit is the only jurisdiction with un-funded pension liabilities. Here in Minnesota, not a single public employee union is fully funded. Overall, these pensions have just 75 cents for every dollar of pension obligation. The deficit stands at nearly $17 billion dollars.
Moody's Investor Services estimates that the nation in the aggregate faces $2 trillion in unfunded pension obligations.
Detroit, it turns out, is just the tip of the iceberg. Other municipal bankruptcies also portend this imminent fiscal calamity.
But massive unfunded pension obligations and legacy health care costs for public sector retirees are merely symptomatic of the underlying malignancy.
Allowing public employees to bargain with politicians for these goodies is the real problem.
This is because the normal restraints and guardrails present in private sector bargaining are wholly absent in the public environment.
< Minnesota Watchdog >
Moody's Investor Services estimates that the nation in the aggregate faces $2 trillion in unfunded pension obligations.
Detroit, it turns out, is just the tip of the iceberg. Other municipal bankruptcies also portend this imminent fiscal calamity.
But massive unfunded pension obligations and legacy health care costs for public sector retirees are merely symptomatic of the underlying malignancy.
Allowing public employees to bargain with politicians for these goodies is the real problem.
This is because the normal restraints and guardrails present in private sector bargaining are wholly absent in the public environment.
< Minnesota Watchdog >
Posted by Expatriate on Jul. 31 2013,7:02 am
^Truth be told these pension funds are tied to an unregulated Wall Street, thanks to the Republicans and Clinton,
Posted by pepi-lapew on Aug. 14 2013,10:59 am
I owned a 1940 pickup. It had 18 ga. steel fenders, my new car Im lucky if it has 22 ga. steel. crumples real easy in a hail storm $7000. damage from hail in New Orleans.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 14 2013,3:04 pm
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Last month, < McClatchy > quietly released the results of a survey they did on sentiments toward required voter ID laws. The results are so important that all of us should make note of them and make sure our Congressional Representatives hear about them.
This poll was taken supposedly under the media's radar so as to not be tainted by either side of the political aisle. No twisting or distorting of facts. I don't think the Muppet Media will like this one because of that. 83% of the respondents in this survey agreed that requiring voter ID in order to vote is a good idea, and just 13% did not think it was a good idea. More damaging is 72% of Democrats agreed that voter ID is a good idea, with 65% of those who see themselves as “very liberal.” Of course you will always have some that disagree for one reason or another.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 14 2013,7:21 pm
Under the media's radar? They posted it on their site the day before breitbart posted their interpretation of it. What part of that makes it "under the media's radar"?
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 15 2013,4:51 pm
O.K., under the Muppet Media. The point was before the liberal (or right wing) media could twist the facts of their outcome. QUOTE
They posted it on their site the day before breitbart posted their interpretation of it.
Maybe that's why the call it "Before It's News" You're not scared to show your picture to be able to vote are you Liberal?
Some claim it puts a strain on the poor. If Obambino can give all those people free phones, he should be able to give them ID cards too.
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 15 2013,5:04 pm
Beforeitsnews posted it after the right wing kook site Breitbart posted it, and they got it from the polling site. That is somehow under the radar to you?Not worried about it but I do worry that people that are poor, or elderly might not have id. Or those that drive drunk, or stoned could lose their license and might have trouble voting.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 15 2013,6:48 pm
(Liberal @ Aug. 15 2013,5:04 pm)
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Beforeitsnews posted it after the right wing kook site Breitbart posted it, and they got it from the polling site. That is somehow under the radar to you?
Not worried about it but I do worry that people that are poor, or elderly might not have id. Or those that drive drunk, or stoned could lose their license and might have trouble voting.
Not worried about it but I do worry that people that are poor, or elderly might not have id. Or those that drive drunk, or stoned could lose their license and might have trouble voting.
Oh, christ on a trampoline!
Yes, only a drivers license is the ONLY valid form of an ID.
I don't even think the state takes your hard card.Worried about poor or old people who are poor that they cannot get an ID. You can get one for......FREE.
Someone would really have to be so extremely poor that they cannot afford a FREE govt issued ID.
Posted by alcitizens on Aug. 16 2013,12:12 am
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 15 2013,6:48 pm)
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(Liberal @ Aug. 15 2013,5:04 pm)
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Beforeitsnews posted it after the right wing kook site Breitbart posted it, and they got it from the polling site. That is somehow under the radar to you?
Not worried about it but I do worry that people that are poor, or elderly might not have id. Or those that drive drunk, or stoned could lose their license and might have trouble voting.
Not worried about it but I do worry that people that are poor, or elderly might not have id. Or those that drive drunk, or stoned could lose their license and might have trouble voting.
Oh, christ on a trampoline!
Yes, only a drivers license is the ONLY valid form of an ID.
I don't even think the state takes your hard card.Worried about poor or old people who are poor that they cannot get an ID. You can get one for...FREE.
Someone would really have to be so extremely poor that they cannot afford a FREE govt issued ID.
To get a free ID, you have to pay for a certified copy of your birth certificate(Poll Tax)..
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 16 2013,5:13 am
^ well jeeze, in election years let's give them a FREE certified copy of their BC, would that be satifactory?
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2013,8:15 am
^ nothing is free, this will turn into another unfunded Repulitard mandate! in other words debt for the taxpayer!
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 16 2013,8:50 am
(alcitizens @ Aug. 16 2013,12:12 am)
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To get a free ID, you have to pay for a certified copy of your birth certificate(Poll Tax)..
O.K., I'll go along and I will (gulp) agree with you on this.
To get a driver's license or state I.D., you have to buy from the county of birth, a copy of your birth certificate. They will not accept a copy of your birth record from the hospital you were born in, (which is free)
I fully believe this is bullship.
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 16 2013,9:05 am
All these candidates parties seem to find a way to organize people to drive the "elderly and disenfranchised" to the polls on election day. Maybe they could set up a way in the months prior, to have the "elderly and disenfranchised" get their free ID.Just a thought.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2013,9:36 am
What is it with you guys and this free thing, nothing is free, it will cost big dollars to initiate and maintain such a program.This is more about disenfranchising voters than anything else!
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 16 2013,9:53 am
They could just take their picture when they cross the border.
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,10:51 am
(Expatriate @ Aug. 16 2013,9:36 am)
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What is it with you guys and this free thing, nothing is free, it will cost big dollars to initiate and maintain such a program.
This is more about disenfranchising voters than anything else!
This is more about disenfranchising voters than anything else!
How do the disenfranchised get healthcare treatment? Typically our residents are assessed every six months; meaning a rep. (nurse & social worker) come to them...
as I said before, would be an ideal time to snap photo for a pic ID...the reps already have all pertinent proof of ID info anyway! Then...mail the ID...easy enough!
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 16 2013,11:17 am
Bureaucracy never comes on the cheap, this will amount to a new Government agency even if it’s a subsector of another division.No government ever voluntarily reduces itself in size. Government programs, once launched, never disappear. Actually, a government bureau is the nearest thing to eternal life we'll ever see on this earth!
~Ronald Reagan
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 16 2013,12:59 pm
Get out the vote campaigns hardly ever endorse new litmus tests, poll taxes, or voter ID initiatives. They'd much rather get our voter turnout numbers UP, while Republicans are fighting in the opposite direction.(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 15 2013,6:48 pm)
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Yes, only a drivers license is the ONLY valid form of an ID.
Driver's license is brought up because it's the most likely ID to pass the requirements Republicans want to use. They've restricted nearly all others that people without a license use. Many states have said student ID's from state college or university won't cut it.
A Passport or a concealed carry permit in some states will do though, so if the poor and/or old person is a world traveler who's packing heat, they'll be good to go on election day.
Santorini:
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How do the disenfranchised get healthcare treatment? Typically our residents are assessed every six months; meaning a rep. (nurse & social worker) come to them...
as I said before, would be an ideal time to snap photo for a pic ID...the reps already have all pertinent proof of ID info anyway! Then...mail the ID...easy enough!
as I said before, would be an ideal time to snap photo for a pic ID...the reps already have all pertinent proof of ID info anyway! Then...mail the ID...easy enough!
The rest of us are talking about the real voter laws. There was no door to door visit by a nurse or anything else you guys want to dream up.
They said we had to pass that Voter ID Amendment before Republicans would let us know how they were going to iron out the details. Whether it would be a funded mandate or the more likely unfunded one that the precincts locals would have to deal with. In other words, the Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass it to see what's in it" thing doesn't bother Republicans as long as it limits voter turnout.
Here are the things we KNOW. It WOULD limit voter turnout. Why doesn't that bother the conservatives?
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,8:56 pm
Irish eyes, Real voter laws! Wow...real voter laws!
Ya mean ' real' voter laws that like require voters to like show a photo ID to like vote..far out
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,9:03 pm
Irish eyes, You KNOW it (photo ID) would limit voter turnout.
Limit it to what?
Limit it to eligible voters
Posted by Santorini on Aug. 16 2013,9:07 pm
Irish eyes, Pass the voter ID amendment before you know what's actually in it...
Sucks doesn't it
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 17 2013,9:20 am
I find it odd that most of the groups against voter ID claim it will be a bureaucracy nightmare, but yet they are in favor of obamacare which might be the biggest bureaucratic boondoggle in the history of boondoggles. Or they complain about the regulations, then on the other hand claim there are not enough regulations in the rest of the world (i.e. wall street, etc...)Then we have those that bring up the relatively small number of convicted election felonies, and saying that we don't need to correct something that isn't a problem.
That is like saying because I haven't been robbed I don't need to lock my doors.
It's being proactive, if you see a potential problem, you correct the problem.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 17 2013,10:53 am
^I find it odd the Party of NO new laws and deregulation to eliminate the laws that exist wants new laws! When they see the opportunity to eliminate opposition party voters they’re watering at the mouth for new regulation
new Government Bureaucracy! More taxpayer burden!
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 17 2013,1:13 pm
I don't associate with either party but I understand what you are saying...I see this as an opportunity to eliminate illegal votes. Period.
Trust me, if one party see's how the other is influencing elections, they will copy it. There are no secrets and there are no GOOD parties.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2013,7:02 am
^ extremely well put.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 18 2013,9:40 am
Protecting Voting RightsThe Myth of Voter Fraud
Allegations of voter fraud generate big headlines, especially around election time. The rest of the story, however, rarely gets the same kind of attention. We rarely hear that nearly all claims of voter fraud prove to be unfounded. Nonetheless, claims of fraud continue and appear to promote an agenda that would make it difficult for some to exercise their right to vote.
Learn the facts about voter fraud!
Myth: Voter fraud is rampant in our elections, casting doubt on the legitimacy of the winner.
Fact: Actual cases of fraud are rare. There have been many investigations, but few cases have been substantiated. Then-Secretary of State Mary Kiffmeyer reported that only 14 people out of approximately 2,800,000 voters fraudulently cast ballots during the 2004 election in Minnesota– a fraud rate of .0005 percent.
Myth: There is no way to know if voter fraud is occurring. The number of fraudulent ballots could be much larger than we know.
Fact: Each voter has a “voter history” record that is updated after every election. If it appears that a person voted in more than one precinct, if a voter who used same-day registration does not live where he or she claimed, or if a county official has reason to believe that a voter is ineligible, it would be detected in this updating process. Any questionable record is referred to the county attorney for investigation. For more information on how voting records are maintained and verified, read < Understanding Elections >
Myth: Without photo identification requirements in place, voter fraud must be taking place.
Fact: A photo ID requirement could only prevent voter impersonation. MN has never had a case of voter impersonation. In order to do this without being detected, one would need to (1) have the name of a registered voter they were certain would not show up at the polls without the election judges or one of the other voters knowing the person they are impersonating, (2) go to that voter’s neighborhood precinct and lie about their identity without being discovered, and (3) commit perjury in order to cast a ballot. It is hard to fathom why anyone would attempt to do this, given the risk of a felony conviction and the infinitesimal chance of changing an election result.
Myth: Everyone has photo ID. It’s not a problem to show it on Election Day.
Fact: Obtaining a current ID can be a huge burden for the frail elderly, people with disabilities, those with low incomes, and young adults. It is not just cost, but transportation and the logistics of obtaining the ID that is a problem for many.
A < Brennan Center for Justice > survey found that 11% of U.S. citizens lack a valid photo ID. 18% of people over 65 do not have a current government-issued ID.
Voting is a constitutional right. It cannot be compared to a voluntary, private commercial transaction like writing a check or renting a movie. In this case, the burden of proof should be on the government to show it is absolutely necessary to expect registered voters to meet additional requirements before casting their vote.
That burden has not been met in the case of photo ID.
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http://www.lwvmn.org/page.aspx?pid=777[/URL]
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 18 2013,9:57 am
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, the burden of proof should be on the government
In the opinion of the writer for the League of Women Voters.
Not in my opinion.
I see an opportunity for voter fraud, and that opportunity should be closed.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
If I see an fault in a system where it can be exploited for evil means, I correct it. You don't wait for malicious things to happen then correct when you knew about it ahead of time.
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 18 2013,6:15 pm
How many Frankin votes did they "suddenly" find in the trunk of a car?
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 18 2013,8:46 pm
^ that was a myth, never happened.< Ballots in the trunk >
about 3/4 of the way down is where that part starts.
Posted by Botto 82 on Aug. 19 2013,1:21 pm
What's the problem with everyone having an ID, anyway? How do people with no ID's even get through life without needing one?Seems to me the people opposed to ID requirements are the ones desperately trying to stay off the grid.
Posted by Expatriate on Aug. 20 2013,9:31 am
Voter registration and verification at the poll already exist, actual voter fraud is nonexistent in Minnesota,calling for a Government issued picture ID will cost either on the County, State, or individual level, at any rate
these cost will be moved to the taxpayer!
If we except the Brennan study from the League of Women Voters article 11% of the population has no
form of Government issued photo ID, we’re talking big dollars to implement and maintain such a program!
IMO, voter I.D. is a Republican regressive, unconstitutional act rigged to manipulate elections through voter suppression.
~if it ain't broke, don't fix it
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2013,11:46 am
(Expatriate @ Aug. 20 2013,9:31 am)
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~if it ain't broke, don't fix it
If the bank has never been robbed, don't lock the vault.
Posted by Common Citizen on Aug. 20 2013,11:47 am
What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you? You're worried about costs while other gov't agencies waste billions every year. Where's the outrage about that?
Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham.
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
nuff said...
Posted by Liberal on Aug. 20 2013,12:52 pm
Maybe you kooks should put it on the ballot and see if the average Minnesotan agrees with your extreme views. 
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 20 2013,4:26 pm
^ I wasn't for going the route of amending the State Constitution. That was a dumb-ass move by the repub's to try and circumvent the Governor.Republicans have a knack for not being able to lay out their plan in an easy, concise manner. And always end up playing defense because of it.
Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 25 2013,7:21 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 17 2013,1:13 pm)
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I see this as an opportunity to eliminate illegal votes. Period... I see an opportunity for voter fraud, and that opportunity should be closed.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
Maddog:
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If the bank has never been robbed, don't lock the vault.
Common Citizen:
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What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you?
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
We make it as difficult as possible to break into homes and rob banks. So, the above might be fitting comparisons to Republican efforts on voting restrictions.
I bet if we changed from the Right to vote to the Right to bear arms the above comparisons would change pretty quick.
Why not require a photo permit and registration before owning or transferring a gun, no loopholes. I mean, you've got an ID, you're not doing anything illegal, are you? You shouldn't have anything to hide, and we want to eliminate fraud and people abusing the system. We can make it free and organize rides to the Sheriffs office. Who wants to carpool, we can do it on the same day we vote so we'll have our ID's ready.
It's just like locking your doors.
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Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham.
Those same agencies could've easily had a bake sale to raise money for poll taxes. Tutors to help people who aren't grandfathered in and have to do litmus tests. Jim Crow laws on voting did not necessarily have to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, but they just did, it was de facto segregation.
I'd prefer we have as few restrictions on rights as possible, whether it's the 4th Amendment, 5th, 2nd, or the right to vote. In a country that prides itself on its election process, or voter turnout is embarrassingly low. nuff said...
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 25 2013,7:58 pm
(irisheyes @ Aug. 25 2013,7:21 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 17 2013,1:13 pm)
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I see this as an opportunity to eliminate illegal votes. Period... I see an opportunity for voter fraud, and that opportunity should be closed.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
Again, I don't wait to be robbed to lock my doors.
Maddog:
QUOTE
If the bank has never been robbed, don't lock the vault.
Common Citizen:
QUOTE
What do you care if a photo ID is required? You have one don't you?
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
If there is no evidence of wide spread voter fraud, then what's there to hide?
As a citizen of this country, I want to ensure those who can legally vote are not disenfranchised by those who are not allowed.
We make it as difficult as possible to break into homes and rob banks. So, the above might be fitting comparisons to Republican efforts on voting restrictions.
I bet if we changed from the Right to vote to the Right to bear arms the above comparisons would change pretty quick.
Why not require a photo permit and registration before owning or transferring a gun, no loopholes. I mean, you've got an ID, you're not doing anything illegal, are you? You shouldn't have anything to hide, and we want to eliminate fraud and people abusing the system. We can make it free and organize rides to the Sheriffs office. Who wants to carpool, we can do it on the same day we vote so we'll have our ID's ready.
It's just like locking your doors.
QUOTE
Bottom line...if all these get out the vote volunteer agencies can haul people to their precincts on election day, what's stopping them from hauling their arses to the local gov't office to get an ID any other day of the year? That's why the argument against requiring ID's is a sham.
Those same agencies could've easily had a bake sale to raise money for poll taxes. Tutors to help people who aren't grandfathered in and have to do litmus tests. Jim Crow laws on voting did not necessarily have to disenfranchise poor and minority voters, but they just did, it was de facto segregation.
I'd prefer we have as few restrictions on rights as possible, whether it's the 4th Amendment, 5th, 2nd, or the right to vote. In a country that prides itself on its election process, or voter turnout is embarrassingly low. nuff said...
Where is the Right to vote explicitly conveyed in the Constitution?
Qualifications to vote are set by the State, as long as those qualifications DO NOT infringe upon Enumerated Rights. These types of Rights (i.e. voting) are positive rights, whereas Enumerated Rights like the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. are negative rights.
Your proposal to treat a negative right as a positive right are in direct conflict with the Constitution.
Ever wonder why we have such a low turn out of voters, it wouldn't have to do with the lackluster or down right POS candidates that run would it? Or maybe, a there are just that many self absorbed morons who are so uneducated and show zero interest to educate themselves politically, as long as they are entertained with the latest fatasspieceofcrap looser like honey boo boo, crap.
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 31 2013,1:54 pm
So the wife and I were watching 16 candles today and there is one scene toward the end where Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall and Emilo Estevez are discussing Farmer Ted's (Anthony Michael Hall) fake ID. It is pointed out that he made himself 68 yrs old. He was asked why he needed a fake ID.And naturally he answers: To vote!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 31 2013,3:34 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 31 2013,1:54 pm)
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So the wife and I were watching 16 candles today and there is one scene toward the end where Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall and Emilo Estevez are discussing Farmer Ted's (Anthony Michael Hall) fake ID. It is pointed out that he made himself 68 yrs old. He was asked why he needed a fake ID.
And naturally he answers: To vote!
And naturally he answers: To vote!
Really?!? 16 Candles? What's next, Pretty in Pink?
Posted by Self-Banished on Aug. 31 2013,6:05 pm
This is for Expat...< http://m.youtube.com/watch?v...VkQ7qzA >
Posted by Glad I Left on Aug. 31 2013,8:40 pm
(Grinning_Dragon @ Aug. 31 2013,3:34 pm)
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 31 2013,1:54 pm)
QUOTE
So the wife and I were watching 16 candles today and there is one scene toward the end where Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall and Emilo Estevez are discussing Farmer Ted's (Anthony Michael Hall) fake ID. It is pointed out that he made himself 68 yrs old. He was asked why he needed a fake ID.
And naturally he answers: To vote!
And naturally he answers: To vote!
Really?!? 16 Candles? What's next, Pretty in Pink?
Actually it was Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom that came next.
Automobile? screeech... screech... Splash... Splash... Lake... BIG LAKE.
Posted by Common Citizen on Sep. 05 2013,11:19 am
(Liberal @ Aug. 20 2013,12:52 pm)
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Maybe you kooks should put it on the ballot and see if the average Minnesotan agrees with your extreme views.
You sure have a funny way of defining extreme. If supporting voter Id is an extreme view in your mind...you should reconsider how loosely you throw the word "kook" around. Just saying.
Posted by This is my real name on Sep. 05 2013,12:00 pm
(Glad I Left @ Aug. 31 2013,1:54 pm)
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So the wife and I were watching 16 candles today and there is one scene toward the end where Molly Ringwald and Anthony Michael Hall and Emilo Estevez are discussing Farmer Ted's (Anthony Michael Hall) fake ID. It is pointed out that he made himself 68 yrs old. He was asked why he needed a fake ID.
And naturally he answers: To vote!
And naturally he answers: To vote!
That's "The Breakfast Club". But truth be told, weren't they all really the same movie anyway?
Posted by Glad I Left on Sep. 06 2013,7:44 am
Oh crap yeah it was. Thanks TIMRN. 16 candles was on earlier in the day. It was brat pack day I think.
Posted by This is my real name on Sep. 06 2013,9:03 am
(Glad I Left @ Sep. 06 2013,7:44 am)
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Oh crap yeah it was. Thanks TIMRN. 16 candles was on earlier in the day. It was brat pack day I think.
Sounds like you were watching TBS? I think on any given weekend afternoon you have about a 1:2 chance of catching one of those movies on that channel.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 24 2014,2:57 pm
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< North Carolina Finds Hundreds Of Illegals On Voter Rolls >
Republicans often say the point of Democrats pushing a pathway to citizenship is strictly to create more Democrat voters. In this case, what you have are illegals giving an Executive “amnesty” who suddenly show up on the voter rolls
With the North Carolina U.S. Senate race in a dead heat, state election officials say they have discovered 145 names on the voting rolls who are ineligible to vote because they are illegal immigrants who have been granted President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status ...
According to a Winston-Salem Journal report, the State Board of Elections discovered the potential illegal voters Tuesday night when the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles ran a search for DACA licenses. The 145 DACA recipients whose names appear on the SBOE’s voting rolls will be sent letters requesting documentation that they are citizens, the report noted.
The Journal notes that it is likely more ineligible people may still remain on the voting rolls.
Nearly 10,000 names on the rolls are tagged by the DMV as “legally present,” according to elections and transportation officials ...
Asking for ID could help stop some of this, since driver’s licenses for the DACA illegals say “Legal Presence, No Lawful Status” ...
The above article contains excerpts - read the original article
Republicans often say the point of Democrats pushing a pathway to citizenship is strictly to create more Democrat voters. In this case, what you have are illegals giving an Executive “amnesty” who suddenly show up on the voter rolls
With the North Carolina U.S. Senate race in a dead heat, state election officials say they have discovered 145 names on the voting rolls who are ineligible to vote because they are illegal immigrants who have been granted President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status ...
According to a Winston-Salem Journal report, the State Board of Elections discovered the potential illegal voters Tuesday night when the N.C. Division of Motor Vehicles ran a search for DACA licenses. The 145 DACA recipients whose names appear on the SBOE’s voting rolls will be sent letters requesting documentation that they are citizens, the report noted.
The Journal notes that it is likely more ineligible people may still remain on the voting rolls.
Nearly 10,000 names on the rolls are tagged by the DMV as “legally present,” according to elections and transportation officials ...
Asking for ID could help stop some of this, since driver’s licenses for the DACA illegals say “Legal Presence, No Lawful Status” ...
The above article contains excerpts - read the original article
< Local NBC Investigation Discovers Dozens of Illegal Voters in Florida >
Guy Benson | Mar 19, 2014
Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 24 2014,6:03 pm
Here's voter fraud right here in MN, it happens to even the kookiest of Dems.< http://www.redstate.com/2014...ud-nour >
Posted by pepi-lapew on Nov. 03 2014,12:11 pm
I think we need a federal ID card to be gotten only by showing a birth ceft. That way a lot of who shouldnt vote cant. Or move voting to Oct 31 that way all the dead that come to life on voting day would be legal.
Posted by Self-Banished on Nov. 03 2014,1:08 pm
^^^yep, tomorrow, bring out your dead.