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(Expatriate @ Aug. 30 2013,6:26 pm)
QUOTE (Self-Banished) quote QUOTE I live it every day, market forces drive the economy  If labor were short then wages would go up but they're not, unemployment is something like 7.6%. Then the libs want amnesty for the criminal immigrants?please! ^technology will put you in the unemployment line gear-jammer, driverless trucks already exist they’re in use in Australia and will be in America within the decade. Don’t worry there’s lots of minimum wage jobs you’d qualify for, maybe you can get that greeter job at Wally World.
Teamsters union will never stand for that...
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Tacitus: (c. 56 AD-c. 117) "The more corrupt the state, the more it legislates."
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2013,7:10 pm |
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(Glad I Left @ Aug. 30 2013,6:35 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Aug. 30 2013,6:26 pm)
QUOTE (Self-Banished) quote QUOTE I live it every day, market forces drive the economy If labor were short then wages would go up but they're not, unemployment is something like 7.6%. Then the libs want amnesty for the criminal immigrants?please! ^technology will put you in the unemployment line gear-jammer, driverless trucks already exist they’re in use in Australia and will be in America within the decade. Don’t worry there’s lots of minimum wage jobs you’d qualify for, maybe you can get that greeter job at Wally World. Teamsters union will never stand for that...
Teamsters have no pull anymore, they're scared of their own shadow.
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Sep. 02 2013,8:11 pm |
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 30 2013,4:13 pm)
QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience.
That's what Rush says, I've read it and heard it many times. The conservative response is always callous; they did this wrong, they did that wrong, it's their fault, etc. It's moot, minimum wage jobs aren't just high school students. When they outsource jobs, lay off the truck driver, get rid of the men and women too close to receiving full retirement and hand over more to the skeleton crew remaining that's not good for the rest of us either. They can't buy as much, pay their bills, and Wally World will probably be more likely to send them to the welfare office than promote them or give a raise.
QUOTE There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's.
Your response is probably to tell the elderly man who's not so good at seeing/hearing that he should learn to build windmills 100 feet in the air. Or the grey haired women that there's a boom in North Dakota if she'd just get on that rascal and become a rough-neck. 
A third or half of the people I see in min wage jobs aren't the pimple faced teenagers Rush talks about. Many are examples above. They can't stimulate the economy much if you pay them just enough to barely get by and wait to hit 65.
A higher tide raises all ships. They knew it decades ago when Henry Ford raised wages, invested more in infrastructure and education to get us out of depression. Today it wouldn't happen, market conditions would suggest we lower them instead, at the expense of quality, turnover, even the economy as a whole is considered irrelevant if we can squeeze more for the top.
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irisheyes
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Posted on: Sep. 02 2013,8:52 pm |
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(Self-Banished @ Aug. 25 2013,8:31 pm)
QUOTE ^But if he doesn't get taxed more he at least has the chance to raise wages.
Kind of like how the CEO's for many local companies in the 80's "had a chance" to raise wages when they got tax cuts; but they lowered them instead. Much like the CEO's of the past 12 years who "had a chance" to raise wages after the Bush tax cuts. 
If you tell a lie often enough, it doesn't make it true. And even Republicans know that the tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 were not invested in wages and other moves to stimulate the economy. In aggregate they did the opposite. Wages and unemployment continued to get worse throughout the decade, just like when Reagan did it.
QUOTE You act like Moparman, you think that even though a man invests and takes chances to start a business you're part owner of that business and have a say in how it's run.
It isn't running the business for them to pay the same tax rate as their employees, or expecting them to not dump toxic waste and wait for us to clean it up, or any other economic externalities for that matter. It isn't running their business, it's expecting them to run it themselves.
As for "starting a business", the middle class is more likely to take chances and invest, not the richest. More often the richest people in this country DID NOT start or invest in a business at all. They're more likely to be the children, widow, grandchildren, great-grandchildren of the ones WHO DID.
I don't think we should pass the tax burden onto the middle class in an effort to give heirs like Walton, Murdoch, Trump, Ford, Koch, Mars, or Rockefeller a lower tax rate.
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Posted on: Sep. 03 2013,5:29 am |
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 So if you raise taxes corperations won't raise prices?
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Posted on: Sep. 03 2013,7:26 am |
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^Why should the taxpayer subsidize corporate wage?
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Posted on: Sep. 03 2013,9:04 am |
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^ so you're saying the gov should set prices?
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Moparman
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Posted on: Sep. 03 2013,5:29 pm |
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 30 2013,4:13 pm)
QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience. In our society, these jobs were never meant to be a life long career choice. To most people, the low wages are motivation enough to get off your arse and do something about it...ON YOUR OWN. That's why unemployment is suppose to be temporary...so you get off your arse and do something about it before it runs out. The majority of the people making a career out of these kinds of jobs have no ambition to do anything else. There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's. What's the problem? 
Are these tech school openings free? How is that minimum wage paycheck going to pay for school and everything else? Unless you live at home with mommy and daddy it's not. Ok, so get a loan and go in debt on the assumption that your two year degree will get you a job that will pay your expenses plus your loan. So now you take your freshly printed sheepskin out to the job market only to find out companies are not hiring "entry" level employees only experienced ones. Or that jobs your program were in demand two years ago but now there is a glut of qualified applicants.
In reality don't assume everyone working minimum wage is lazy. Don't assume lack of resources as a lack of ambition. Most of the time it's who you know and plain dumb luck that gets one ahead.
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