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(Moparman @ Sep. 03 2013,5:29 pm)
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QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience. In our society, these jobs were never meant to be a life long career choice. To most people, the low wages are motivation enough to get off your arse and do something about it...ON YOUR OWN. That's why unemployment is suppose to be temporary...so you get off your arse and do something about it before it runs out. The majority of the people making a career out of these kinds of jobs have no ambition to do anything else. There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's. What's the problem?  Are these tech school openings free? How is that minimum wage paycheck going to pay for school and everything else? Unless you live at home with mommy and daddy it's not. Ok, so get a loan and go in debt on the assumption that your two year degree will get you a job that will pay your expenses plus your loan. So now you take your freshly printed sheepskin out to the job market only to find out companies are not hiring "entry" level employees only experienced ones. Or that jobs your program were in demand two years ago but now there is a glut of qualified applicants. In reality don't assume everyone working minimum wage is lazy. Don't assume lack of resources as a lack of ambition. Most of the time it's who you know and plain dumb luck that gets one ahead.
Nobody said it'd be easy, maybe one has to live at home, work a job when you're not in class.
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(Moparman @ Sep. 03 2013,5:29 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 30 2013,4:13 pm)
QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience. In our society, these jobs were never meant to be a life long career choice. To most people, the low wages are motivation enough to get off your arse and do something about it...ON YOUR OWN. That's why unemployment is suppose to be temporary...so you get off your arse and do something about it before it runs out. The majority of the people making a career out of these kinds of jobs have no ambition to do anything else. There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's. What's the problem? Are these tech school openings free? How is that minimum wage paycheck going to pay for school and everything else? Unless you live at home with mommy and daddy it's not. Ok, so get a loan and go in debt on the assumption that your two year degree will get you a job that will pay your expenses plus your loan. So now you take your freshly printed sheepskin out to the job market only to find out companies are not hiring "entry" level employees only experienced ones. Or that jobs your program were in demand two years ago but now there is a glut of qualified applicants. In reality don't assume everyone working minimum wage is lazy. Don't assume lack of resources as a lack of ambition. Most of the time it's who you know and plain dumb luck that gets one ahead.
You remind me of the same people working at McD's complaining about their wages and benefits. Always making excuses and pointing fingers at others for their own problems. If an illegal can figure out how the system works then...well?
My Webpage
QUOTE FRESNO, Calif. (AP) – Going to college seemed inconceivable when Adriana Sanchez, the 12-year-old daughter of farm workers, was brought from Mexico to Central California and the family overstayed their visas.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Even though Sanchez excelled in high school, she was in the country illegally, lacked a Social Security number and work permit, and didn't qualify for financial aid. But she volunteered hundreds of hours and paid her way through college and graduate school with a dozen internships.
Now 24, Sanchez graduated last week from California State University, Fresno with a master's degree in International Relations, a full-time job and no loans to repay. Using a gray area in federal law, she works as an independent contractor.
"For most undocumented students, you have to put yourself out there. You volunteer, you go beyond what regular students do," Sanchez said. "That's what connects us to opportunities. Now employers call me."
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Ahh, The old " life's tough buttercup" excuse again. We should be striving to make higher education easier to attain not taking pride in the fact that its getting more and more out of reach for more and more people. I never said it should be easy, far from it. But, the hardest part about education should be done in the classroom not the financial office.
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(Common Citizen @ Sep. 03 2013,8:32 pm)
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(Moparman @ Sep. 03 2013,5:29 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 30 2013,4:13 pm)
QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience. In our society, these jobs were never meant to be a life long career choice. To most people, the low wages are motivation enough to get off your arse and do something about it...ON YOUR OWN. That's why unemployment is suppose to be temporary...so you get off your arse and do something about it before it runs out. The majority of the people making a career out of these kinds of jobs have no ambition to do anything else. There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's. What's the problem? Are these tech school openings free? How is that minimum wage paycheck going to pay for school and everything else? Unless you live at home with mommy and daddy it's not. Ok, so get a loan and go in debt on the assumption that your two year degree will get you a job that will pay your expenses plus your loan. So now you take your freshly printed sheepskin out to the job market only to find out companies are not hiring "entry" level employees only experienced ones. Or that jobs your program were in demand two years ago but now there is a glut of qualified applicants. In reality don't assume everyone working minimum wage is lazy. Don't assume lack of resources as a lack of ambition. Most of the time it's who you know and plain dumb luck that gets one ahead. You remind me of the same people working at McD's complaining about their wages and benefits. Always making excuses and pointing fingers at others for their own problems. If an illegal can figure out how the system works then...well? My Webpage QUOTE FRESNO, Calif. (AP) – Going to college seemed inconceivable when Adriana Sanchez, the 12-year-old daughter of farm workers, was brought from Mexico to Central California and the family overstayed their visas.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Even though Sanchez excelled in high school, she was in the country illegally, lacked a Social Security number and work permit, and didn't qualify for financial aid. But she volunteered hundreds of hours and paid her way through college and graduate school with a dozen internships.
Now 24, Sanchez graduated last week from California State University, Fresno with a master's degree in International Relations, a full-time job and no loans to repay. Using a gray area in federal law, she works as an independent contractor.
"For most undocumented students, you have to put yourself out there. You volunteer, you go beyond what regular students do," Sanchez said. "That's what connects us to opportunities. Now employers call me."
So what is the excuse for the exponential rise in prices for pretty much everything even as wages have remained stagnate?
And if you believe a master's degree program can be paid for with unpaid volunteer work and internships using some "grey area in federal law", you truly are out of touch. Working the system means that joe taxpayer paid for this degree.
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(Moparman @ Sep. 06 2013,2:58 pm)
QUOTE Ahh, The old " life's tough buttercup" excuse again. We should be striving to make higher education easier to attain not taking pride in the fact that its getting more and more out of reach for more and more people. I never said it should be easy, far from it. But, the hardest part about education should be done in the classroom not the financial office.
Well, life is tough, I use this axiom to drive myself. When part of a job needs to get done or there's a particularly nasty task to perform this little saying runs through my head. It works very well, customer acquisition and retention are easier if you just bust ass a little.
But a lot of these kids now days think it should be handed to them, made easy, the "I'll just rely on the gov. " and they think they'll be fine attitude. It's kinda like these Somali drivers that think if they buy a truck life's going to be easy after that. They don't realize they usually have to work 10-12 hours, everyday. They think when they're done they can just go home and not have to check their truck over and maybe do some repairs.
I worked a side job when I was in college, did you?
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(Moparman @ Sep. 06 2013,3:18 pm)
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(Moparman @ Sep. 03 2013,5:29 pm)
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(Common Citizen @ Aug. 30 2013,4:13 pm)
QUOTE Minimum/low wage jobs exist for a reason. The majority of the people take these jobs when they are young to build their resume and experience. In our society, these jobs were never meant to be a life long career choice. To most people, the low wages are motivation enough to get off your arse and do something about it...ON YOUR OWN. That's why unemployment is suppose to be temporary...so you get off your arse and do something about it before it runs out. The majority of the people making a career out of these kinds of jobs have no ambition to do anything else. There are openings right now at the local tech school to learn a trade and quite a few companies offering better jobs than McDonald's. What's the problem? Are these tech school openings free? How is that minimum wage paycheck going to pay for school and everything else? Unless you live at home with mommy and daddy it's not. Ok, so get a loan and go in debt on the assumption that your two year degree will get you a job that will pay your expenses plus your loan. So now you take your freshly printed sheepskin out to the job market only to find out companies are not hiring "entry" level employees only experienced ones. Or that jobs your program were in demand two years ago but now there is a glut of qualified applicants. In reality don't assume everyone working minimum wage is lazy. Don't assume lack of resources as a lack of ambition. Most of the time it's who you know and plain dumb luck that gets one ahead. You remind me of the same people working at McD's complaining about their wages and benefits. Always making excuses and pointing fingers at others for their own problems. If an illegal can figure out how the system works then...well? My Webpage QUOTE FRESNO, Calif. (AP) – Going to college seemed inconceivable when Adriana Sanchez, the 12-year-old daughter of farm workers, was brought from Mexico to Central California and the family overstayed their visas.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Adriana Sanchez, who was brought from Mexico to Central California as a 12-year-old, teaches a math class Monday at the Adult School in Fresno, Calif.
Even though Sanchez excelled in high school, she was in the country illegally, lacked a Social Security number and work permit, and didn't qualify for financial aid. But she volunteered hundreds of hours and paid her way through college and graduate school with a dozen internships.
Now 24, Sanchez graduated last week from California State University, Fresno with a master's degree in International Relations, a full-time job and no loans to repay. Using a gray area in federal law, she works as an independent contractor.
"For most undocumented students, you have to put yourself out there. You volunteer, you go beyond what regular students do," Sanchez said. "That's what connects us to opportunities. Now employers call me." So what is the excuse for the exponential rise in prices for pretty much everything even as wages have remained stagnate? And if you believe a master's degree program can be paid for with unpaid volunteer work and internships using some "grey area in federal law", you truly are out of touch. Working the system means that joe taxpayer paid for this degree.
So now you're blaming inflation for keeping people in minimum wage jobs. If you're still making the same cabbage you were 10 years ago and you're not satisified...you ain't trying hard enough. This is my opinion...love it or leave it.
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I was making barely above minimum in 93 just out of high school. Did that for a few years and it sucked. I moved back in with mom and dad. Worked full time, went to school damn near full time and managed to get my degree. When I graduated, I got a promotion at my company rather than have to go elsewhere.
I'm not saying that is the right track for everyone, but sometimes you gotta kick it in the ass yourself. I didn't get any grants, scholarships, etc... It was paid via good old fashioned hard work and determination.
20 years later I am glad I made the sacrifice, it has paid for itself many times over. Although I don't think I could keep the same schedule at 40 as I did at 20...
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(Self-Banished @ Sep. 06 2013,4:53 pm)
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(Moparman @ Sep. 06 2013,2:58 pm)
QUOTE Ahh, The old " life's tough buttercup" excuse again. We should be striving to make higher education easier to attain not taking pride in the fact that its getting more and more out of reach for more and more people. I never said it should be easy, far from it. But, the hardest part about education should be done in the classroom not the financial office. Well, life is tough, I use this axiom to drive myself. When part of a job needs to get done or there's a particularly nasty task to perform this little saying runs through my head. It works very well, customer acquisition and retention are easier if you just bust ass a little. But a lot of these kids now days think it should be handed to them, made easy, the "I'll just rely on the gov. " and they think they'll be fine attitude. It's kinda like these Somali drivers that think if they buy a truck life's going to be easy after that. They don't realize they usually have to work 10-12 hours, everyday. They think when they're done they can just go home and not have to check their truck over and maybe do some repairs. I worked a side job when I was in college, did you?
I never had to work during school. Between my scholarships, grants, and 90+ hour weeks at a summer job the only things I had to worry about we're getting good grades and enjoying the college lifestyle.
Heck, I was making $10 an hour straight time back in the mid eighties, add on OT and that was more than enough to pay for school and all my fun. All debt free...
How many kids could do that today?
Was it easy? Not at all, it was long, hard, hot work, but I was rewarded fairly for that work and it was worth it. Today, more often than not, the reward for hard work is debt and more hard work.
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^If a company paying the same as it did ten years ago you'll leave??? It would take you ten years?
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