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stardust14 
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,1:46 am |
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Rosalind, your detractors were successfull once more in avoiding the topic. Only one comment (Botto) mentions anything about environmental degradation. Topic degradation, devolving to farts. Is this 2nd or 3rd grade. But then the complicit are wary in defending their questionable behavior towards earth.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 04 2015,1:50 pm |
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(Botto 82 @ Jan. 30 2015,1:46 pm)
QUOTE The sort of leaders we need now are not those who promise ultimate victory over Nature through perseverance in living as we do right now, but those with the courage and intelligence to present to the world what appears to be Nature's stern but reasonable surrender terms:
1. Reduce and stabilize your population.
2. Stop poisoning the air, the water, and the topsoil.
3. Stop preparing for war and start dealing with your real problems.
4. Teach your kids, and yourselves, too, while you're at it, how to inhabit a small planet without helping to kill it.
5. Stop thinking science can fix anything if you give it a trillion dollars.
6. Stop thinking your grandchildren will be OK no matter how wasteful or destructive you may be, since they can go to a nice new planet on a spaceship. That is really mean, and stupid.
7. And so on. Or else.
- Kurt Vonnegut
Stardust:
QUOTE Rosalind, your detractors were successfull once more in avoiding the topic. Only one comment (Botto) mentions anything about environmental degradation. Topic degradation, devolving to farts. Is this 2nd or 3rd grade. But then the complicit are wary in defending their questionable behavior towards earth.
Too often people would rather avoid uncomfortable and frightening things.  It's depressing. Who wants to be depressed? It's much more cheerful to think that things can just keep going the way they always have and that there's nothing to think or worry about.
That's my take on things anyway. 
Good to see you again Stardust. I hope you are well.
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,10:28 am |
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Fri Oct 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM PDT.
3 billion gallons of oil industry wastewater has been injected illegally into California Aquifers
by Walter Einenkel
From the Center for Biological Diversity comes some troubling news:
Almost 3 billion gallons of oil industry wastewater have been illegally dumped into central California aquifers that supply drinking water and farming irrigation, according to state documents obtained by the Center for Biological Diversity. The wastewater entered the aquifers through at least nine injection disposal wells used by the oil industry to dispose of waste contaminated with fracking fluids and other pollutants.
High levels of arsenic, thallium and nitrates were also found in water-supply wells around waste-disposal locations. These, of course, have yet to be tested to find out the true nature of their relationship to the waste-management facilities nearby.
The state’s Water Board confirmed beyond doubt that at least nine wastewater disposal wells have been injecting waste into aquifers that contain high-quality water that is supposed to be protected under federal and state law.
Thallium is an extremely toxic chemical commonly used in rat poison. Arsenic is a toxic chemical that can cause cancer. Some studies show that even low-level exposure to arsenic in drinking water can compromise the immune system’s ability to fight illness.
“Arsenic and thallium are extremely dangerous chemicals,” said Timothy Krantz, a professor of environmental studies at the University of Redlands. “The fact that high concentrations are showing up in multiple water wells close to wastewater injection sites raises major concerns about the health and safety of nearby residents.”
Let's see, how much of our vegetables, dairy, meat etc. comes from this area?
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,4:39 pm |
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Egads, 3 billion. I wonder how much more there is that nobody is aware of?
Then there's this, I haven't found any estimate of how much was LEGALLY dumped.
QUOTE BAKERSFIELD, Calif. — Regulators in California, the country's third-largest oil-producing state, have authorized oil companies to inject production fluids and waste into what are now federally protected aquifers more than 2,500 times, risking contamination of underground water supplies that could be used for drinking water or irrigation, state records show.
http://www.startribune.com/politic...e=1&c=y
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,7:47 pm |
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Good old Paso Robles. . .
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stardust14
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Posted on: Feb. 05 2015,11:54 pm |
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1.The Mississippi River carries an estimated 1.5 million metric tons of nitrogen pollution into the Gulf of Mexico each year, creating a “dead zone” in the Gulf each summer about the size of New Jersey.
2.Approximately 46% of the lakes in America are too polluted for fishing, aquatic life, or swimming.
3.In the United States, people use over 1.8 billion disposable diapers, 220 million tires, and 30 billion foam cups per year.
4.Each year 1.2 trillion gallons of untreated sewage, storm water, and industrial waste are dumped into U.S. waters.
5.Factories in the United States discharge approximately 3 million tons of toxic chemicals into the water, air, and land annually.
6.Over 80% of items buried in landfills could have been recycled instead.
7.Today, there are between 300 and 500 chemicals in the average person’s body that were not found in anyone’s body before 1920. Each year there are thousands of new chemicals sold or used in new products. There are more than 75,000 synthetic chemicals on the market today.
MPR is running a week long program on climate. The daily radio debate has roused the deniers from their cushy lifestyles like bark beetles in a forest fire. An example of a denier comment found on the MPR FB page:
"Who keeps pushing this stuff? Most of the West Coast's pollution comes from China due to the prevailing winds! In addition, 25% of the methane produced comes from cows!"
This babbling garbage is priceless!!...if that makes any sense.
Many, including myself, see the climate debate as a distraction from conservation, environmentalism, practical solutions. The deniers/polluters prefer continued pillage as decades of debate roll on. From a materialistic one-dimensional viewpoint stalling makes sense.
Polluters of the world(including those in this county) embrace science in relation to their profits and power; but then reject science when sacrifice and prudence is required.
The "exceptionalists" place themselves as earth's executives, capable of anything...EXCEPT modifying climate. Community understands human possibiltiy along with our limits, willing to employ ALL within its boundaries(including nature) to solve problems.
Earth will be fine. But our species may be the first to claim the unenviable title of "Extinction Through Suicide".
Peace out, Rosalind. 
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,10:03 am |
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Amen Stardust.
Costs of doing business? Capitalism, free market, living the lifestyle we've grown accustomed to?
Whenever I watch movies where Earth is attacked by alien invaders who come to drain our natural resources and kill us all (like Independence Day and several others) I'm in a quandary over which side to root for.
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stardust14
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,10:45 am |
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It's not all gloom and doom. It's just after so many years of waiting for "the big change" it has yet to happen. As was said in "The Day the Earth Stood Still" humans refuse to change until pushed to the edge. But will we see the edge?
Speaking of sci-fi have you or anyone seen the new space flic "Interstellar"? Wondering if it was worth watching. Love good sci-fi.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2015,1:35 pm |
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(stardust14 @ Feb. 06 2015,10:45 am)
QUOTE It's not all gloom and doom. It's just after so many years of waiting for "the big change" it has yet to happen. As was said in "The Day the Earth Stood Still" humans refuse to change until pushed to the edge. But will we see the edge?
Speaking of sci-fi have you or anyone seen the new space flic "Interstellar"? Wondering if it was worth watching. Love good sci-fi.
No, it's not all gloom and doom, and I don't think it's too late either.
I think for anything to change though, priorities would need to be changed. I think if more Americans actually knew how bad things have gotten, they would be questioning the way things are. But since the media doesn't talk much about anything of importance like this and the politicians talk even less about it
I think that even most people who do realize that things can't keep going as they are, feel powerless to do anything about it, or decide "oh well, might as well enjoy the ride while it lasts".
I had tried fruitlessly to get my father and step mom to recycle. When they finally gave the excuse that they didn't have the room to spare for setting up recycling, I volunteered to set up an area by myself and that it wouldn't be in their way at all. My step-ma kinda freaked on me and said "In the bible it says this Earth shall pass away. It's been foretold by the word of God, and that's good enough for me."
How does someone argue with that logic?
But I really do think if the mainstream media gave a lot more air time to problems like these, (and solutions), that big changes could and would happen.
We haven't seen Interstellar, but hopefully will be renting it soon. It looks pretty good.
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hand·wring·ing
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noun: hand-wringing
the clasping together and squeezing of one's hands, especially when distressed or worried.
an excessive display of concern or distress.
"his customary handwringing about the need for more local aid"
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