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Common Citizen 
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,5:27 pm |
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(grassman @ Feb. 06 2012,8:59 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 05 2012,5:00 pm)
QUOTE If you don't like the wages an employer is paying then take arse and find something else. The employer doesn't owe you anything.
And you don't need a union to accomplish any of the above. IMO, unions are not the standard bearer for respect, appreciation, and fairness. Is that why labors' wages and benefits have been racing right along with the tops?  Sounds like an other peoples money handler talking to me.
Are you saying a laborer making widgets on an assembly line should receive the same comp increases as the executives or the owners? 
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Moparman
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,6:01 pm |
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And why shouldn't they? Without correctly assembled widgets the executives and owner have nothing but blue sky to sell. Any manufacturing company is only good as the people actually doing the manufacturing!
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Expatriate
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,10:19 pm |
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• 8 of the 12 states with the highest unemployment rates are right-to-work states.
• 6 of the 8 states that have the lowest wages are right-to-work states.
• Wages in right-to-work states are 12 percent lower than those in non-right-to-work states.
• Rates of uninsured are 24 percent higher in right-to-work states.
• Rates of uninsured children are 39 percent higher in right-to-work states.
• 12 of the 14 highest wage states are not right-to-work states.
Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistic
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Feb. 06 2012,10:39 pm |
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 06 2012,5:27 pm)
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(grassman @ Feb. 06 2012,8:59 am)
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(Common Citizen @ Feb. 05 2012,5:00 pm)
QUOTE If you don't like the wages an employer is paying then take arse and find something else. The employer doesn't owe you anything.
And you don't need a union to accomplish any of the above. IMO, unions are not the standard bearer for respect, appreciation, and fairness. Is that why labors' wages and benefits have been racing right along with the tops? Sounds like an other peoples money handler talking to me. Are you saying a laborer making widgets on an assembly line should receive the same comp increases as the executives or the owners?
Maybe not "the same comp" . But why shouldn't it be a tad more fair? The top have been increasing everything for themselves while decreasing everything for workers. CEO pay used to be about 25% higher than worker pay. Now most times it is well over 200% higher. Same with retirement. Workers retirement compensation has been decreasing severely while CEO pensions skyrocketed.
CC, I highly doubt MOST of us little people are jealous of the big guys or want what they have, but things could definitely be a little more even than they are. They have changed legislation in their favor over and over again. They have used tax codes and loopholes every which way possible. - All for them to get richer while the workers get less.
I recommend "Retirement Heist" by Ellen Schultz.
http://www.retirementheist.com/about/
It's in most public libraries. Albert Lea has it.
There are countless articles, videos and books about the subject. Just google CEO pay.
Here's an article on her book in Forbes http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2011/10/19/retirement-heist-how-firms-plunder-workers-nest-eggs/
CBS did a story on it a few years ago. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/19/eveningnews/main5714036.shtml
Right to work is just another thing to help them and hurt us.
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Moparman
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Posted on: Feb. 07 2012,12:58 pm |
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Yes they risk money. They risk their financial well being trusting the owner/executive will make good decisions. If they screw up your out of a job. You really think that employees don't try to satisfy the costumer? In my experience it is the employee left trying to appease the costumer after the boss made some impossible promise.
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Self-Banished
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Posted on: Feb. 07 2012,4:31 pm |
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(Moparman @ Feb. 07 2012,12:58 pm)
QUOTE Yes they risk money. They risk their financial well being trusting the owner/executive will make good decisions. If they screw up your out of a job. You really think that employees don't try to satisfy the costumer? In my experience it is the employee left trying to appease the costumer after the boss made some impossible promise.
No,employees risk very little, if things go bad an employee can go down the road to another job. If they screw up it affects the companyand yes, if they screw up enough they can be fired. But in that case there's unemployment and lately it just keeps getting extended.as an independent, I don't have these safety nets but because I have greater risks, I have greater rewards. Employees are like sheep, sometimes they need to be shorn.
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Moparman
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Posted on: Feb. 07 2012,5:13 pm |
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Nice try! If things go bad ANYONE can go looking for another job including Mr. Owner. Unemployment pays little and can be denied and appealed for whatever made up reason one can think of which can drag out for months. It is just silly to say that your employees have little risk working for you. And if you just think of them just as sheep than I pity them. As far as chance favoring the bold, remember there are old dogs and bold dogs but, there are no old bold dogs.
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