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Stone-Magnon 
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2011,7:01 pm |
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Well, what we have here is a very interesting case. You know me. You guys know I could be considered a social liberal I suppose. You guys know I have a great amount of compassion and always try to come down on the side of humanity. The question here is what is the adequate sentence for someone who steals a million dollars of their friends and neighbors money.
I think the sentence should be minimum of 5 years with 85% of that time must be served.
Although I would make this option. If the person convicted can make 50% restitution they could pay that instead of jail. In this case of Tuttle could repay $500,000 over 7.5 years that would be an option instead of prison. But if payments slacked, she'd go right to prison and lose what she paid.
Still compare this to what we do to drug offenders who often have NO victims. Don't you think we've carried on the drug war long enough, can't you all see the hatred it was born out of?
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Stone-Magnon
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2011,7:53 pm |
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Well, until it ends, I'm just not going to shut up about the gross injustice. That's what you do.
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Aug. 20 2011,8:11 pm |
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Amazing, it only took 52 minutes to change your mind. You must be a social liberal. 
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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
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busybee
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Posted on: Aug. 21 2011,11:38 am |
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Stone-Magnon · Posted on Aug. 20 2011,7:01 pm
***Well, what we have here is a very interesting case. You know me. You guys know I could be considered a social liberal I suppose. You guys know I have a great amount of compassion and always try to come down on the side of humanity. ***
Exactly Stone Magon!
I think the majority of forum members on here understand how much you empathize and have an overall humanitarian concern for an illegal drug user/distributor that are caught and forced into facing the consequences for CHOOSING to break those laws.
I wholeheartidly agree with you that illegal drug users and illegal drug distributors are not even remotely close to being the "dangerous and harmful criminals" in U.S. Society that should be FEARED and PUNISHED as a benefit to the SAFETY of others as is portrayed by 99% of the media, law enforcement, general public, ect...
On the flip side, I wholeheartidly disagree that illegal drug users/distributors experiences as "victims" of consequences should be constucted as being equivilent to those in U.S. society who experience being victims to the criminal choices of another.
I simply can't find any logical reasoning or validation for the way you imply that the victims who have suffered the negative finanial consequences of Ms. Tuttle's criminal behavior is the same type of victimization that an illegal drug user/distributor goes through.
***The question here is what is the adequate sentence for someone who steals a million dollars of their friends and neighbors money.
I think the sentence should be minimum of 5 years with 85% of that time must be served.***
I think Ms. Tuttle should only be afforded the right to freedom of employment in U.S. Society until she has successfully paid back every inocent victim she stole from.
I'd rather pay through taxes to support Ms. Tuttle's incarcertation when she is not working to pay back her innocent victims in full, than anything else of a lesser sentence.
However, society as a whole would have to recognize that paying for the incareration of someone for 25 years in federal prison ONLY because they were profiting finanially from selling illegal drugs is a complete waste of tax payers money first.
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busybee
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Posted on: Aug. 21 2011,12:05 pm |
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****Although I would make this option. If the person convicted can make 50% restitution they could pay that instead of jail. In this case of Tuttle could repay $500,000 over 7.5 years that would be an option instead of prison. But if payments slacked, she'd go right to prison and lose what she paid. ****
I disagree. REAL VICTIMS deserve FULL RESTITUTION or the criminal should be punished in the same manner as the U.S. Government's and media pursue these consequences for how an illegal drug warrior chooses to illegally use and enjoy the personal financial profits of the money they obtain in an illegal manner.
****Still compare this to what we do to drug offenders who often have NO victims. Don't you think we've carried on the drug war long enough, can't you all see the hatred it was born out of?****
I agree with YOU. The U.S. Government's and media don't have a clue.
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mncowgirl
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Posted on: Aug. 21 2011,2:41 pm |
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if I was to get my full RESTITUTION I wont loose my house! wow that would be nice! but me and my husband are the ONLY ones so far that has NOT GOT A SINGLE PENNY yet from anything everyone else had insurance to cover what she took! we didn't and did not know she took it till it was gone! I guess we will suck it up and loose our house! I hope shes happy! im so mad I can screem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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busybee
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Posted on: Aug. 21 2011,3:11 pm |
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This is where I think the "American Dream" fails to prove accurate.
Why should you have to insure yourself against another person's choice to break the law?
It's one thing to be insured for the accidents that occur due to human error in judgement and natural causes...such as high winds, hail, ect...
But to pay for "insurance" just in case you are CHOSEN as a victim to a crime is insane!!!
I wish the U.S. System of Justice was doing it's job appropriately on behalf of those in society who are negatively impacted by those who choose to commit crimes that have a direct negative impact on others.
I'm sad to hear how damaging this has been on you financially!!
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Boomerrang
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Posted on: Aug. 22 2011,8:37 pm |
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I just can't get over that Linda would put herself in this situation. She was at the top of her career. Now she has to look herself in the eye every day when she looks in the mirror.
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babyangel56007
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Posted on: Aug. 22 2011,8:51 pm |
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With all the thefts from jobs in Albert Lea someone should write a book as they could get rich off the book sales 
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