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Posted by Stone-Magnon on Jul. 22 2011,12:46 pm

Tuttle sentencing scheduled for August
Published 6:16am Friday, July 22, 2011
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Former Freeborn County Commissioner Linda Tuttle is slated to be sentenced Aug. 23 in federal court in Minneapolis after she pleaded guilty in April to one felony charge of wire fraud.

U.S. District Court Judge David S. Doty is slated to conduct the sentencing, which is scheduled to begin at 2 p.m.

Linda Tuttle

Tuttle admitted in April to taking funds from escrow accounts at her business, Albert Lea Abstract, and diverting them to her own purposes.

The police investigation said she spent the money — about $1 million — to support a gambling addiction.

Look to the Tribune for more information on this story.

Yet once again the Tribune does not tell the whole story. She spent one million but also WON $600,000. She essentially stole a million dollars and converted it into about $600,000 cash winnings over time. This $600,000 did not simply disappear. It went somewhere and we know it went home with Miss Tuttle.

Face it, our city and county are riddled with criminal like minds, I've seen it. It's so damn inbred it's scary and do you know what really makes me mad? It's when I see people who I know would cut the rope on the ladder to save themselves get away with it. People with no conscience or soul.

Rhonda Mowen and Corey Farris. Corey Farris would like nothing more than to see a persons life ruined over marijuana both civilly and criminally. He will even violate a persons civil rights to do so yet when he admits to child abuse HE wants a total break. Now let's look at Rhonda. She wrote letters to the State! She insisted Norman be punished! Yet...she wants to get away with stealing from the city by doing the exact same thing. This is the true sickness of the new America. It's OK to destroy others as long as you look out for number one. In my mind people like Rhonda and Corey are evil and really bad people

Posted by hairhertz on Jul. 22 2011,2:50 pm

A slap with a wet noodle, can't you just feel the pain of her probable sentence?

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 22 2011,4:20 pm

U.S. District Court Judge David S. Doty has quite a shaded history. He is also know quite well in NFL circle, particularly the Reggie White settlement.

Posted by AL LAW on Jul. 23 2011,12:08 pm

(MADDOG @ Jul. 22 2011,4:20 pm)

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U.S. District Court Judge David S. Doty has quite a shaded history. He is also know quite well in NFL circle, particularly the Reggie White settlement.

I will be the Judge of that.

Posted by Duck Hunter on Jul. 23 2011,10:14 pm

Destroy others watching out for #1.

Sounds exactly like what a drug dealer does.

I have never seen a total number of money she stole, so we really don't know if your fuzzy math adds up.

Lets say I stole 400,000 from you. Won 600,000, then lost a millon. How much would I have left? I dont think we will ever know how much she has hid where, but hopefully she will be put away for awhile and have all assets siezed.

Posted by Duck Hunter on Jul. 23 2011,10:15 pm

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 08 2011,11:27 am

Catch her letter to the editor today.

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At this point in the process I am now able to write this letter. I want to ask forgiveness from the victims, the community, my former employees, my husband and children, family and friends for the hurt and damage I have caused. I know that asking forgiveness and saying I am sorry will never make up for the loss of money, loss of trust and the trauma that I have put everyone through.

I take full responsibility for the crime that I committed and I will serve my time as the court orders. I will do all that is possible to try and pay back restitution, but I understand that paying back the money cannot make up for the people’s trust that I have abused. I pray that someday I will again be able to earn the respect from my community, family and friends that I so recklessly and irresponsibly threw away.

As the judicial part of this process is almost complete and I will start to serve whatever sentence the court gives me, I will continue to reflect on the injustice I have done and by doing so I hope to gain wisdom and insight and look forward to the time of my release so that I can start to give back to the community that I have loved and called home for 58 years. Thank you.

Linda K. Tuttle-Olson

Albert Lea

< I ripped you off >

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 08 2011,5:09 pm

It's just a prepared lawyers statement.

"I will do all that is possible to try and pay back restitution"

Really Linda, then why did you sell your house and shield that money from seizure before you were convicted? And where is the $600,000 you won gambling away a million dollars of other peoples money.

I'll believe your sincerity when hell freezes over.

Posted by irisheyes on Aug. 08 2011,6:37 pm

She makes it sound like she threw herself on the mercy of the court. But she got the best lawyer possible and tried to get the best deal she could. She keeps her assets, they keep the guns in her house as long as he hides the key... I can't think of a blue-collar criminal ever getting that kind of deal.

If you were caught with drugs, some DWI offenses, soliciting prostitution, or any number of other crimes you see in the paper or on TV they'd take the car, house, maybe even whatever you have in your wallet. You can have a lawyer, but since they just took everything you've got in civil forfeiture you'll have a hard time coming up with a retainer to fight it.
:soapbox:

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 09 2011,7:06 am

She didn't sell her house and hide the money. Do you really think that house was paid for? More than likely she sold it because it would have been hard to make payments without a paycheck. You seem to think she has a pile of stolen money hid somewhere...I don't think that is the case.

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 09 2011,8:44 am

Taking $1,000,000 and turning it into $600,000 of winnings looks to me like a loss of $400,000. Correct me if I'm wrong but $1,000,000-$400,000=$600,000 is not winning. If she had been a winner it would look like this: $1,000,000+$600,000=$1,600,000, and the $1,000,000 taken could be repaid and she would have $600,000 to pay attorneys and pay fines, and keep her home. Enough of the DIMOND JOE'S ecconomic marvel where we lose but are called winners.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 09 2011,8:58 am

I think that letter is a bunch of crap also, if she can give me the money she took from me I MIGHT forgive her, but the way it stands im out the money forever, and the SMALL amount of money her so called insurance companies paid out for the victims is being taken from lawyers and other insurance companies, we wont even get 5% of our losses. im glad she lost her home because of what she did to me I might loose mine to!

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 09 2011,9:33 am

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Taking $1,000,000 and turning it into $600,000 of winnings looks to me like a loss of $400,000

You're really kind of slow ain't ya? It's a $600,000 gain if the million dollars is OTHER PEOPLES MONEY.

Forget it, I'm done here except for the occasional comment to make a point and am not going to read responses. As it sits I rarely read responses at all and your comment proves why. Useless idiots...total waste of time. Retards.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 09 2011,12:19 pm

(irisheyes @ Aug. 08 2011,6:37 pm)

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Of course she's throwing herself at the courts feet. She doesn't want to have to pay for what she has admittedly done. she wants to blame it on drugs and her RLS. Look at the lives she had ruined. She has run a scam on dozens of people.

She's going to do whatever she has to to keep her ill-gotten booty. I say, take her house and let her keep one gun and a bullet.

Pull the level Virgil and let her drop.

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 09 2011,4:18 pm

Stonie, the $1,000,000 wasn't free! Even though it wasn't her's, she pissed it away and only has $600,000 to show for it. So on the $1,000,000 she took she only can show $600,000, and that is a loss of $400,000 in my book. Sorry but your math is a little like the story of the boy who had three joints. He smoked one. The question is not how many joints are left, but how many does the boy think are left? From what I have read Linda owes the full $1,000,000, even though she paid taxes on winnings of $600,000, where is the $1,000,000? Looks to me like she lost at least $400,000. If she was such a big winner, where is the money? If you are right she should have $1,600,000. That's a pretty good sum to hide; a blood hound like you should be able to find it, if it still exists.

She is a loooooser! Unlucky at business, unlucky at cards, and it is time that she is unlucky with the law.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 10 2011,8:31 am

I like the way you think maddog! but I say 2 bullets, just in case on does not do the trick!

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 10 2011,10:58 am

You guys are all vindictive, vengeful, cruel, & unforgiving .
One of the hardest things in the world to do is to apologize; especially publically; when you are aware of the public scrutiny your apology will face! Where did you all leave your human dignaty?
The woman lost everything too. When is enough, enough for you you vengeful creatures?

Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 10 2011,2:06 pm

(Santorini @ Aug. 10 2011,10:58 am)

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Regardless, she's scum and deserves our derision.

Posted by Liberal on Aug. 10 2011,2:20 pm

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The woman lost everything too. When is enough, enough for you you vengeful creatures?

Although I think the suicide remarks are unbelievably cruel, I can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to say that "she lost everything too". She lost everything because of her actions, the people she screwed lost everything because they made the mistake of trusting her.

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publically; when you are aware of the public scrutiny your apology will face! Where did you all leave your human dignaty?

Publically? Dignaty? I'd expect a little better spelling from such a highly educated individual.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 10 2011,2:51 pm

I have never seen such hateful people in my life. You must not have much of a life as you spew nothing but hate and anger. You who post such stupidity should be out in your community trying to make it better. None of you know all or any of the facts of her case. Yes, she stole money from people. She lost the trust of good people. She betrayed people. None of it makes sense. But I believe the justice system is working. She will be punished. Your hate and harassment do nothing but incite more hate and possible bodily harm to her or anyone who has broken the law. Is that what you are advocating? Do we want our children to grow up and think it alright to take matters into their own hand’s. Stop with all the hate talk and do something good with your posts. The more you spout hate the less people will respect you. I have watched mad dog make a fool of him self over the years. If he has more of a moral compass he should be doing good instead of hate. I suspect he doesn’t have a very good opinion of him self. And if he is so brave, come out and show who you really are. I once lived in Albert Lea and loved it, but now I am getting upset with such a small minded community. Hate only breeds hate. Show the rest of the country what Albert Lea used to be. It can be a wonderful, giving, and forgiving community with good family values. It was my hometown too. I am just so sad such hate has taken over. Show the country how beautiful the town can be.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,3:38 pm

God your a moron Alfy fudge packer. A total freaking retard!

When your so retarded as to totally misunderstand even basic math, It does no one any good to discuss anything with you. NOTHING. Your the first person I'm banning. You really are just too old and stupid to be joining in. You need to be put on a lease out in the yard to die you old fart. Now remember, because I know you're to stupid to understand this. Since I've ignore u I will not be able to read your stupid chit...understand that retread?

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,3:49 pm

The records show she GAINED $600,000 on this deal. That's what she made in winnings. That what went home with her from the casino.

She spent $1 to $1.1 million of other peoples money to get that $600,000 in winnings for herself. SHE GAINED this amount of winnings from gambling other peoples money and the Casino records that were published shows this.

She gambled away $1 million the amount she took, NOT $1.6 million. If she gambled 1.6 million we'd know she lost it all back to the casino. The records do not indicate this. The records indicate she gambled what she stole. She did not gamble away all that she stole AND won. Understand?

Now I know why they always put me in advanced math classes in school.

PS-Twiggs(Tuttle) I don't blame people for being hateful. You created some very real victims here. Not like some bogus drug war victims, but real victims who you took years and years of work from. You deserve to be hated until you pay it all back with interest. Can't afford it? We can't afford sympathy. People like you are really hurtful to our way of life. You'll destroy others without sympathy and then turn around and demand it in return.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 10 2011,5:34 pm

Stone-Magnon, you are a complete moron if you think I'm Linda Tuttle. The posting that you are talking about was not written by me, but a relative of Linda's that doesn't live here, but is a native of Albert Lea. She was having trouble registering to join the forum, so she asked me to post it. Get a life, and stop bringing up drugs in every posting. I don't care if you do drugs, or sell drugs, but not everything revolves around drugs. I just had to post this to defend my identity and to help someone. She can't believe how nasty we have gotten in this town, and it really gives Albert Lea a bad name. She can't believe how much corruption goes on in this town, and where she lives, people can't believe what others in this city are getting away with, and I'm not talking about just Linda. We are getting a horrible reputation outside the city limits, and it saddens me that we've come to this.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2011,7:13 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 10 2011,2:51 pm)

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None of you know all or any of the facts of her case. Yes, she stole money from people. She lost the trust of good people. She betrayed people. None of it makes sense. But I believe the justice system is working. She will be punished.

She stole people's money?? Are you wanting us to believe she stole money from her mom's purse?

She stole people's life savings. She stole people's dreams. She stole people's hope, their future. Many of these people lost their life savings. Whole families. Parents who saved to give their children a roof and a yard to play in. Their homes. Many of those planned to live in those home for the rest of their lives.

Most of the town has watched the court systems here in disgust. Stone is right on some of his points. The system will lock a person up and throw away the key for someone who chooses to destroy their own life with drugs, but slap a person on the wrist if they defile or destroy other people's lives.

Is the court system going to see that she spends the rest of her life without the types of dreams she took from them? Not hardly.

Should it be an eye for an eye? I'm not saying that. When she atones for her crimes and those affected feel justice is done, then her punishment will it be served properly. It is not for me to forgive her, but those she did wrongly to.

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Your hate and harassment do nothing but incite more hate and possible bodily harm to her or anyone who has broken the law. Is that what you are advocating?

I'm not advocating anything. Certainly not violence against her. That would make me and those who would, no better than her.

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Do we want our children to grow up and think it alright to take matters into their own hand’s.

No, and we don't want them to learn that a weak court system shows them that they can destroy dozens of lives and know that at best, they will pay for it with a couple of years in a motel that you just can't come and go as they please.

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Stop with all the hate talk

I didn't say that I hate her. I've never liked her, but hate is a strong word. I found her as a deceitful person when she ran for office. I found that she didn't follow the rules prescribed by the Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board during her election. When she was confronted, she lied.

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I have watched mad dog make a fool of him self over the years.

Proof in the pudding. Proof is in the pudding. That almost sounds like ol' Gabe if he was on sedatives.

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Show the rest of the country what Albert Lea used to be.

I think this town and many of it so called city leaders have shown the nation just what kind of people attempt to circumvent the law in this town. How many times in the last five years has this town made national news because of them?

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And if he is so brave, come out and show who you really are.

Where would you like to meet me? I've never been afraid to show myself.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 10 2011,7:25 pm

Mike Lee (Maddog), is that you? Just can't stand to lose, can you?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 10 2011,7:34 pm

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Yes, she stole money from people. She lost the trust of good people. She betrayed people. None of it makes sense

What doesn't make sense here? :dunno:

Kind of an illogical statement to make when you have stated the outcome of her illegal activities as a thief and a liar.

Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 10 2011,7:37 pm

She's a mega-thief, she needs to go to prison for a looooooong time, imho.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,7:48 pm

Did MD just say 2 years! 2 years!!!!

Oh brother are you guys out of touch with reality...and I'm the one that's high?
Never ceases to amaze me how really out of touch you people are even after I try and take you by the hand and teach you like a child. OK now listen to me now or hear me later...

SHE'S not doing anywhere near two years! She's not doing time. It's probation you idiots.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,7:56 pm

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people can't believe what others in this city are getting away with, and I'm not talking about just Linda. We are getting a horrible reputation outside the city limits, and it saddens me that we've come to this.

So we are NOT supposed to blame those corrupted and stealing? In your mind we are supposed to clam up, shut up and not say anything as not to get a bad reputation? We are supposed to trick people into thinking we are good by hiding the truth and that's a healthy thing to do in your mind?

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2011,7:57 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 10 2011,7:25 pm)

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Mike Lee (Maddog), is that you? Just can't stand to lose, can you?

Nice try. I don't even live in his district. I will say this. I do know Mike. I can safely say that he would never rape, lie to or cheat the people of this community as she did.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,8:02 pm

I'm stunned at the arrogance or Tuttle and her friends and relatives. In their minds were the bad people for not letting it slide...

just incredible and really says it all...

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2011,8:02 pm

(Stone-Magnon @ Aug. 10 2011,7:48 pm)

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Sorry, I was generalizing when I said a couple years. :notworthy:

But keep in mind stone, she in federal court, not the district court here.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,8:03 pm

Ya, OK it's beared in mind, now you tell me how it matters.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 10 2011,8:29 pm

Federal guidelines are different. Its based on a point system. In her case, it starts base 7, and if over $1 million, adds 16, then probably 2 for involving a charitable organization minus three for acceptance of responsibility. I read that as a minimum of 25 points before she is forgiven the 3. 25 points would give her 57-71 months. There could be other things like victims or means of the crime that could add to the points or others I'm unaware of. If she goes with the 22 points, its 41-51 months.

I don't completely understand it and it was explained to me a couple times.

She likely sought a 5K1.1 departure which could further reduce her sentencing though. That would only mean that she' s cooperating with the feds.

Maybe to bring down someone else they would like to get? Nah, ratting on someone just wouldn't be in her nature. :sarcasm:

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 10 2011,11:14 pm

Well, I know all this hypocrisy is really doing a number on my head.

When I think of her sitting in meetings knowing what she knew and when I see Rhonda Moen get to destroy others for sport and then walk for the same thing and I know all the others know, it does a number on my head and causes me great mental pain and agony and I feel like suing someone over it.

Posted by the unc on Aug. 11 2011,4:35 am

This link is entertaining to read with not a lot of heft to it's content. I hope that justice will prevail in this situation...but then it does have a good chance since the sentencing isn't going to be in Freeborn County. We've all seen too much of the "good old boys" club antics to have much respect for the city and county government. There have been some amusing suggestions in this chain of thoughts...maybe we could suggest a few more....looking back at the past year's history we could suggest all kinds of things. Maybe suggest she be committed to a rest home with a couple of care givers that were in the news not long ago....that would be some kind of punishment....there are just so many ideas....too many to suggest. Maybe give her back her post as a commissioner. That might carry some embarassment with it. Or...oh well, you get the idea. We have no say in what happens, just the opportunity to watch the system do it's job. Guess I've ranted long enough...and I haven't even mentioned drugs or bullets yet...unbelievable!!!!!

Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 11 2011,6:44 am

Just wondering, will victims be given a voice in fed court before she's sentenced?

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 11 2011,8:47 am

I saw Linda's interview on KAAL this morning. She was pathetic!
"She accepts her guilt, is so sorry, and desires the respect she once felt she had. She will try to repay her debts." She was so contrite, "but you know she wasn't thinking right being on those prescription drugs."
I wish she would give it a rest, we all get it! Even though she accepts her guilt, it really wasn't her fault because she wasn't thinking right! Just go to jail, then repay you debts, and we will think about giving you the respect you felt you once had.
I guess the only thing she has left are her dilutions.
Good luck with the rest of your life Linda!

Posted by scorenix on Aug. 11 2011,9:36 am

(hairhertz @ Aug. 11 2011,6:44 am)

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Just wondering, will victims be given a voice in fed court before she's sentenced?

Yes. You can write a letter to the probation officer doing her presentence report, you can also write a letter to the judge.

What surprises me is Freeborn County. The County has apparently declined to seek restitution from Linda Tuttle for the costs of a special election. A county that has filed liens against county inmates for "costs" of incarceration.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 11 2011,9:53 am

Hate to tell you this, but the victims were already given a chance to write letters to the Court. The Court has them, and will consider them in the sentencing.

Posted by Whiskero on Aug. 11 2011,10:02 am

So, who is going to hire her, so she can pay back the money?
It sounds good, but I don't see how she can pay that kind of money back.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 11 2011,10:06 am

What makes you think she's going to be required to pay any money back? Her statement is simply a prepared lawyers statement to garner sympathy before sentencing.

One thing I will say about Tuttle. She IS without a doubt smarter than most of you. Her choice of lawyer and the way she handeled herself, even dumping Rockow was very well played. It's clear to me she's smarter than most people who post here for instance. Tuttle wins. She'll get a little probation and that will be the end of it.

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 11 2011,11:15 am

Stonie, I can't believe that you think she is smart. A smart person wouldn't be in the perdicament she finds herself in. And your knowing so much sh-t house law doesn't make you smart either!

Posted by Sitting Bull on Aug. 11 2011,1:57 pm

(Santorini @ Aug. 10 2011,10:58 am)

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The woman lost everything too.

Lost everything? Looked like she had pretty nice stuff to me. I know of a lot of honest people who work very hard and do not live in near as nice of a house as she now has, nor have such nice household belongings, nor drive as nice of a vehicle - nor would be able to survive without holding a job like she does. I doubt that she's worrying about her electric bill or cleaning her couch for coins to buy gas or food.

Also, where's the money? Didn't she go on a lot of sweet little trips? Didn't she go to South America? How many times have they gone to Alaska? And I'd sure like to know where else.

And I thought it was interesting that just channel 6 was there...the channel that makes sympathetic comments toward her.

Have any of her assets been seized yet? Why weren't they right away?

And the winnings of that $1,000,000.00 belong to the rightful owners of that million, which would be to the victims. (If she had lost the entire million in gambling, she would owe the million. It just so happened, that not only did she get to have the fun of blowing a million bucks, but she also happened to win $600,000. Let's say that she had invested a stolen million in some fantasy stock, and it happened to triple in value. Would Linda get to keep that extra $2 million - or would it belong to the people?)

Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 11 2011,2:00 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 11 2011,9:53 am)

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Hate to tell you this, but the victims were already given a chance to write letters to the Court. The Court has them, and will consider them in the sentencing.

Good! I was hoping that was the case.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 11 2011,3:57 pm

Really, South America? Where do you get your information? l

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 11 2011,4:32 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 11 2011,3:57 pm)

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Really, South America? Where do you get your information? l

Where do you get yours?

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 11 2011,4:43 pm

She gambled away about a million dollars. We know this because of casino records. However she won $600,000. She did not gamble away the million dollars AND the $600,000 in winnings or the casino records would show it. So where is the $600K?

Where do you think it is? She living on it. It's how her lawyer was paid.

Posted by Sitting Bull on Aug. 11 2011,4:59 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 10 2011,7:25 pm)

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Mike Lee (Maddog), is that you? Just can't stand to lose, can you?

Actually, my information was from Linda herself. Pretty sure she told me a country in South or Central America. That's why I asked. Go figure that one, sister of Linda. And pretty sure that you shouldn't be dissing others when you think they are jumping to incorrect conclusions, uncalled for comments, and complaining about the 'hate', when I see your quote above.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 11 2011,5:15 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 10 2011,7:25 pm)

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Mike Lee (Maddog), is that you? Just can't stand to lose, can you?

Actually, Mike took the lost election quite gracefully and was a true blue citizen and didn't gloat when they threw her asp out of office. :rofl:

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 11 2011,5:59 pm

You know what, it's not worth trying to explain anything to you. I know the truth, you think you know the truth, so let's just keep it at that.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 11 2011,7:16 pm

You never have. You always run from direct questions. You call me out and then cower. Pppffftttt!

The county has Linda, the forum has you and I have foot fungus.

Posted by Sitting Bull on Aug. 11 2011,7:18 pm

2 good points that I heard mentioned:

Stealing was not a side effect. Gambling yes. Compulsive behavior, yes. Stealing, no.

Hard to believe a man is telling the truth when you know you would lie if you were in their place.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 11 2011,11:57 pm

What direct questions have you ever asked? If you want to know who I am, then you can ask, but then you'd have to reveal who you are, and I don't think you want to do that. I'm not cowering, I'm just tired of trying to explain anything to you. You don't believe anything I say, so why should I continue?

I'm not trying to defend Linda - what she did was wrong, she needs to face up to her actions and needs to serve whatever sentence she receives. I have never said she didn't deserve punishment, I'm just tired of people talking about guns and bullets, that's what upsets me. No one deserves that, no matter what they've done. You want to talk to me privately, great, go for it. Just tell me where and when, but I expect the same respect that you want.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 12 2011,12:20 am

And before you ask, no, I can't answer anything that might be considered part of the legal end of things. I'm not privy to any of these things, so don't bother asking.

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 12 2011,12:44 am

(hairhertz @ Aug. 10 2011,2:06 pm)

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(Santorini @ Aug. 10 2011,10:58 am)

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Regardless, she's scum and deserves our derision.

Ridicule all you want...it makes you the lesser person :dunce:

Besides...who made YOU judge and jury

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 12 2011,12:52 am

(Liberal @ Aug. 10 2011,2:20 pm)

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The woman lost everything too. When is enough, enough for you you vengeful creatures?

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publically; when you are aware of the public scrutiny your apology will face! Where did you all leave your human dignaty?

Publically? Dignaty? I'd expect a little better spelling from such a highly educated individual.

LOOK UP
P U B L I C A L L Y ....adverb!!!

Ill give ya the one on dignaty (dignity)
must have been in too big a hurry :notworthy:

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 12 2011,12:53 am

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I have never said she didn't deserve punishment, I'm just tired of people talking about guns and bullets, that's what upsets me. No one deserves that, no matter what they've done.

I went back and read the entire thread. Where do you see this? Talk about paranoid and delusional. You have some very real mental health issues Twiggs.

Explain what your friend did with the $600,000 she won gambling.

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 12 2011,1:11 am

(Sitting Bull @ Aug. 11 2011,7:18 pm)

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Stealing is secondary to the gambling compulsion.
In other words...you would not have one without the other!
It is just like a side effect of other medications...
a side effect could be a rash and that rash
would then lead to an infection...you would not
have the infection were it not for the rash

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 12 2011,1:20 am

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 11 2011,5:59 pm)

QUOTE

You know what, it's not worth trying to explain anything to you. I know the truth, you think you know the truth, so let's just keep it at that.

It is not worth the effort to try to explain anything to these other posters. Because of their judgemental postings and lack of ability to forgive...they will be the ones who suffer in the long run. Grudges and anger
(especially over money), only hold a person back; it weighs them down; so they cannot move forward. They stay stagnant. Holding on to anger is so destructive to the human body and organs that it ages them. But mostly being angry releases chemicals in the brain and actually lowers IQ :angel:

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 12 2011,1:43 am

^You need to learn when to shut up and stay on topic for one thing. Your multiple burst replies are distracting.

We need Twiggs to explain what happened to the $600,000 her friend won gaming.

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 12 2011,1:47 am

(Stone-Magnon @ Aug. 12 2011,1:43 am)

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^You need to learn when to shut up and stay on topic for one thing. Your multiple burst replies are distracting.

We need Twiggs to explain what happened to the $600,000 her friend won gaming.

Like I said Twiggs...it lowers the IQ!!!!

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 12 2011,6:48 am

I thought that the $600,000 had been explained a couple of times. Let's say I go into the casino with $50. The first machine I play on, I win $100. I stick around and play for another hour and lose all the money I have. The players card is going to report I lost $150, but won $100....get it?

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 12 2011,8:09 am

No, it doesn't make any sense at all.

First, I can't even understand your English. What does, "going to report I lost $150, but won $100" mean?

Once we determine what THAT means we can move forward.

We HAVE the records of what she WON and LOST at the Casino, these are public records. NOW we also know the total amount taken within about $100,000 because the two sides are disputing that amount only.

I can see your brain isn't grasping this at all mamma.

The records show she lost gaming what she stole...NOW THINK-----> which is this amount---->about a million dollars.

But she also won $600, 000 that was not gambled away! We know this because if she did we'd have 1.6 million in losses, NOT a million.

If she spent all her money who paid for her attorney? Who pays all her bills and living expenses?

THE RECORDS show she's ahead $600,000. Are taxes taken out before a person gets these winnings? if they are we must deduct this amount from the $600,000 because obviously she's not going to have it.

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 12 2011,8:19 am

So according to Mamma, it is possible to have a players report that shows winnings of $600,000, while it is still possible to have lost the $1,000,000 and the winnings of $600,000. So down in Dimond Joe Land, one can end up leaving flat broke but can still be a big winner? Don't you just love it.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 12 2011,3:17 pm

the humane society has had tons of fundraisers for what they lost from her, I wonder if the city would let me and the other victims have one to try to get our money back! or maybe someone will get one started for us! :rockon:

Posted by Gardener Also on Aug. 12 2011,6:01 pm

The Humane Society should be thankful for all the publicity they have gotten through this experience. Becau
se of this I'm sure they have gotten donations they would not have received if this hadn't happened. I'm not sure I would want to donate to them anymore because of their vindictiveness.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Aug. 13 2011,12:46 am

(Gardener Also @ Aug. 12 2011,6:01 pm)

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Definition of VINDICTIVE

1
a : disposed to seek revenge : vengeful
b : intended for or involving revenge
2: intended to cause anguish or hurt : spiteful

How was the Humane Society being vindictive by holding fundraisers to make up for what was stolen?

Posted by hairhertz on Aug. 13 2011,9:32 am

Wow, Gardener has a unique point of view of things.

I'd hazard a guess that it'd garner a less than 1% approval rating.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 13 2011,9:35 am

Santorini · Posted on Aug. 12 2011,1:11 am

QUOTE

Stealing is secondary to the gambling compulsion.
In other words...you would not have one without the other!
It is just like a side effect of other medications...
a side effect could be a rash and that rash
would then lead to an infection...you would not
have the infection were it not for the rash

Seems you and I have went a round or two about this a while back.

I'm going to reiterate to you once again that legal medications, legal drugs and illegal drugs, addictions and/or compulsive behaviors does NOT cause/create criminal behavioral choices.

If this were a FACT, everyone who has taken/takes the same medication for RLS as Ms. Tuttle would make the SAME NEGATIVE behavioral choices to destroy their own lives and negatively impact the lives of INNOCENT people along the way.

Behavioral reactions and choices are not and never will be in the same catagory as physical reactions to a chemical foreign to a person's body.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 13 2011,11:12 am

All I know is that we've turned into a very sick society, one that I never thought I'd see. When I was a young happy boy and looked out and saw the world before me, I never imagined the day when we as a people would see fit to destroy a sick person who grows a plant both civilly and criminally in a thing we call the drug war, meaning we seize assets as well as freedom. Yet another person can literally steal a million dollars and get a much, much lessor sentence. It's just really, really bazaar and tragic and I don't know how to explain it. How we got here. What happened to us?

I'd like tell all the people who were alive back then when I was 10 and made the world what it was, a big thank you and tell them I'm so sorry the way it turned out, because this is one sick, divided political country I can't even recognise anymore.

Posted by Joink on Aug. 13 2011,1:06 pm

Entitlement. Any of these slogans ever been burned into your mind. "You owe it to yourself" or "You deserve a break today".

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 13 2011,1:37 pm

(busybee @ Aug. 13 2011,9:35 am)

QUOTE

Santorini · Posted on Aug. 12 2011,1:11 am

QUOTE

Take some damn responsibility for yourself and own up to it. You made your bed now lie in it. You wanting sympathy just isn't going to happen until you are truly sorry, and quit deflecting.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 13 2011,2:20 pm

Santorini · Posted on Aug. 12 2011,1:20 am

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It is not worth the effort to try to explain anything to these other posters. Because of their judgemental postings and lack of ability to forgive...

Maybe it's you who doesn't "get it."

Being angry, disappointed and wanting someone who has stolen from you in deceit to be ACCOUNTABLE and RESPONSIBLE for their choice to do this is a NORMAL response to an abnormal situation.

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they will be the ones who suffer in the long run. Grudges and anger
(especially over money), only hold a person back; it weighs them down; so they cannot move forward.

That's not a fact either.

If someone stole all of the meals you bought and prepared to eat for a day in your life, I bet you would move forward and buy, prepare and eat meals the following day.

I bet you could "forgive" the person who stole all your food for a day, yet you wouldn't ever forget that they stole from you and how it negatively impacted your life.

QUOTE

They stay stagnant. Holding on to anger is so destructive to the human body and organs that it ages them. But mostly being angry releases chemicals in the brain and actually lowers IQ

Just because someone talks about being negatively impacted by the poor choices of another person this doesn't make them "stagnant" or "destructive" to themselves or anyone else.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 13 2011,3:22 pm

mncowgirl · Posted on Aug. 12 2011,3:17 pm

QUOTE

I understand what you are saying mncowgirl!

When it comes to the "majority" of U.S. society...the ONLY victims of crime "worthy" of being acknowledged and cared about are those who are not capable of telling and talking about the crime committed against them.

All others are expected to take part of the blame for what someone else chose to do to them and to grant that person with unconditional forgiveness whether the person admits and/or takes responsibility for what they did wrong or not.

As far as I am concerned...everyone who was robbed by Ms. Tuttle is WORTHY of FINANCIAL support fundraisers...not just the Humane Society.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 13 2011,10:38 pm

Gardener Also · Posted on Aug. 12 2011,6:01 pm

QUOTE

Why do you call the Humane Society vindictive?

Posted by busybee on Aug. 14 2011,12:16 am

Stone-Magnon · Posted on Aug. 13 2011,11:12 am

QUOTE

All I know is that we've turned into a very sick society, one that I never thought I'd see.

Ya think?? :clap:

QUOTE

When I was a young happy boy and looked out and saw the world before me, I never imagined the day when we as a people would see fit to destroy a sick person who grows a plant both civilly and criminally in a thing we call the drug war, meaning we seize assets as well as freedom.

Although I don't agree with people's choices to willinginly break the law and then whine about the consequences...I do agree that it's ridiculous to imprison someone for an illegal drug crime for 25 years even though they did NOT do anything violent to another human being, yet those who do (without the presense of illegal drugs) always get less time when they are sentenced and never get their assets seized.

In this country, getting drunk, driving and killing a person or two isn't considered to be as "bad" of a crime harmful to others when comparing the way illegal drug users and sellers are portrayed as the MOST DANGEROUS people that need to be caught and punished for the laws they're breaking.

QUOTE

Yet another person can literally steal a million dollars and get a much, much lessor sentence. It's just really, really bazaar and tragic and I don't know how to explain it. How we got here. What happened to us?

Huh?

I thought you, out of everyone on this discussion forum, had an understanding of what is the MOST IMPORTANT AGENDA to government law enforcement agencies, attorney's, judges, state and federal law makers and media.

QUOTE

I'd like tell all the people who were alive back then when I was 10 and made the world what it was, a big thank you and tell them I'm so sorry the way it turned out, because this is one sick, divided political country I can't even recognise anymore.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 14 2011,12:43 am

Grinning_Dragon · Posted on Aug. 13 2011,1:37 pm

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Agreed, this whole stupid displace blame, because my medication made me do it is utter BullSHT. This would be the same as saying "well the devil made me do it" if someone were to use that defense they would be locked up for observation. So why believe the other? Take some damn responsibility for yourself and own up to it. You made your bed now lie in it. You wanting sympathy just isn't going to happen until you are truly sorry, and quit deflecting

Exactly GD!!

If Ms. Tuttle was honestly being responsible for what she has done to harm other's, she wouldn't be doing anything else except trying to make amends for it.

Sorry is good, change is always better!

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 15 2011,7:10 am

Stoner: maybe you just don't understand what a players card is. It's looks like a credit card and has your name and an account number on it. You can use it if you like, but it's not required. The purpose of using it is to build up points. Points help you get comps like free rooms at the hotel, free food, merchandise from the casino, and money to gamble. You only get the comps if you use the card. If you are playing two machines at a time then only one is going to report the money you are spending. It is rumored that Ms Tuttle did play two machines at a time. It's nothing abnormal to see people do that. So....it's almost impossible to know what she did spend at the casino. I didn't see it said anywhere that she had won $6oo,ooo that she walked out with. I'm guessing it went down the drain with the other money.
I believe her husband is paying her way now. You were worried where she is getting her money to live on...that's it.
Don't believe she is sucking money off the rest of us by claiming to be on SSI because of her OCD.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 15 2011,3:39 pm

im sorry but that darn OCD crap is a bunch of bullcrap her laywer came up with to try to get her less jail time! I dont care what anyone sais about her that didn't loose TONS of money from her, it took me 40 fricken yrs to get my first house, I saved and saved and saved and suffered without things I wanted to get my house, and because of her im going to loose it! so OCD crap is a bunch of crap! I hope she rots in jail! no excuse for what she did!

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 15 2011,3:55 pm

I wholeheartedly agree mncowgirl. Apologists like Mamma do us no favors.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 15 2011,3:57 pm

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 15 2011,6:14 pm

I'm an apologist? I was just trying to explain to you in plain English how the players card worked since you were being obtuse. Thought maybe you could figure out how it might be that nobody knows how much she really stole. As for the OCD, I don't believe she has it for a moment. But, you admit that you have OCD and I guess that is why you can't let go of Moen, Tuttle, Farris, and your whiney drug war. You want to make a difference? Come out of the basement!

Posted by Boomerrang on Aug. 15 2011,8:45 pm

Mamma , spank him hard.

Posted by babyangel56007 on Aug. 16 2011,12:37 am

Twiggs50 got in this same mess at her job with mishandling money, run's in the family from the way it look's !!!!

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 16 2011,3:43 am

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I guess that is why you can't let go of Moen, Tuttle, Farris, and your whiney drug war

Yes, I guess we should just let it slide. Someone in charge of our money who steals airline tickets after we give them a free $2 million dollar loan/gift. A person who literally steals a $1 million dollars from their friends and neighbors, entire life savings should get a pass. Same with Farris, he should be able to adopt kids, come home drunk and fondle their penis's, then carry a gun into the community the next day and we should JUST STOP BEING SO WHINEY! Right Mamma?

We're Albert Lean's...We should just shut up and take it.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 16 2011,5:14 am

(babyangel56007 @ Aug. 16 2011,12:37 am)

QUOTE

Twiggs50 got in this same mess at her job with mishandling money, run's in the family from the way it look's !!!!

What, OCD?

Posted by busybee on Aug. 16 2011,5:26 am

mncowgirl · Posted on Aug. 15 2011,3:39

*im sorry but that darn OCD crap is a bunch of bullcrap her laywer came up with to try to get her less jail time! *

this is exactly what the U.S. System of Justice has degraded itself to, IMHO

As long as a criminal defendant and their defense attorney can excuse, justify and project the blame on someone/something else...the better chance they have to AVOID accountability for wrong-doing that has been harmful to another U.S. Citizen.

*I dont care what anyone sais about her that didn't loose TONS of money from her, it took me 40 fricken yrs to get my first house, I saved and saved and saved and suffered without things I wanted to get my house, and because of her im going to loose it! so OCD crap is a bunch of crap! I hope she rots in jail! no excuse for what she did! *

I empathize with you. You didn't do anything to create this hardship in your life that you are being forced to deal with and figure out on your own.

Posted by Twiggs50 on Aug. 16 2011,8:09 am

babyangel56007, you have no right to accuse me of anything. Obviously you work for my former employer, or know someone who does, and I don't appreciate the accusation when you don't know the whole truth. I'm not going to go into details, but you have no right to accuse me of stealing money, and that's what you are doing when you say it "runs in the family." My attorney will be contacted, and my former employer will be informed that someone from their wonderful establishment is spreading false rumors about a former employee. I don't appreciate being accused of theft, and just because I defended Linda Tuttle and am a family member, doesn't give you the right to start falsely accusing me of anything. YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR TUNE ON THIS ONE?

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 16 2011,9:19 am

Did I ever say anyone should get a pass? Linda Tuttle deserves whatever she gets. As for the other two....do you know if Rhonda ever reimbursed the city for the ticket? She must have felt guilty as hell because she left in a hurry. Too bad someone with some authority doesn't delve into this. As for Ferris...he was tried....if you want to call it that. Not much can be done about it now. I suspect he will be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Some people may feel you walked pretty easy too. But we know now that you are looking over your shoulder everytime a plane, helicopter, or police car goes by. Not a fun way to live.

Posted by Alfy Packer on Aug. 16 2011,1:50 pm

Mama, the little piss head is bating you. He is just too smart for his own good. That is why he is left to wonder why he repeatedly has been busted for the same illegal crop. Most smart people would avoid the problem at leased after one bad encounter, but the super smart are left to repeat and wonder why things are not working out? It is not my job to clean up after him when he beshats himself, and it shouldn't be yours. Leave Mr. Stinky Pants to look over his shoulder; He is smarter than you or me!

Posted by babyangel56007 on Aug. 16 2011,2:50 pm

Twiggs50~ Sorry about the info defending you but we were out at Diamond Joe for supper the other night and a group at the table next to us were talking about Linda. I do not believe they worked with you as they all looked like senior citizens and I sure have never worked with you!!!!
They said that Linda had a sister that did similiar at her job but never went into details, then one proceded to say that on the albert lea forum the sister is known as twiggs50 and is on the defence. Just was wondering if it was true by seeing the response that would come back but as you responded it makes me sure wonder if it is you and there is any truth behind it. If not then the rumor is being spread and it is unknown to me.

Posted by Pigpen on Aug. 16 2011,3:05 pm

I don't care how you look at it If you did something wrong then face the music, and for the one that want to defend them and know they did wrong then get ready for the back lash that your going to get. Tuttle should get the book thrown at her and made an example of. And we all know that Farris' deal was push under the rug, the man will face the music one way or another. All around this town is very very corrupt. One last thing if you don't like what i am saying don't read my post anymore, it is simple as that.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 16 2011,4:11 pm

It's all smiley faces on the outside and selfishness on the inside. I see right through you AL.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 16 2011,4:23 pm

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 16 2011,8:09 am)

QUOTE

HMMM, I see. And where is it written that a person does not have this RIGHT? I cannot find any wording in any of the ENUMERATED Constitutional protections that forbids an accusation. A person has every RIGHT to espouse or relay hearsay on an opinion, and whether or not it sounds accusatory is moot at this point.

The thing about spreading false rumors, happens all of the time. It is you that is going to have to prove a hardship either based on slander or libel, and proving such, is a very hard task to accomplish.

I also love the threat of legal action to stifle someones Enumerated 1st Amendment RIGHT.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 16 2011,5:04 pm

Another thing that annoys me is that Twiggs never thanked anyone for the lawyer advice she got on this site awhile back. Talk about selfish.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 17 2011,11:28 pm

Twiggs50 · Posted on Aug. 16 2011,8:09 am

QUOTE

You know what's sad about this...

No matter what you write or defend on here or in other aspects of your social life, you are going to be judged and blamed harshly by others who don't have a clue about who you are.

Some people will assume just because you are a family member of Ms. Tuttle that means you are/have been and will continue to be someone who should be accountable for the harmful impact she has had on her innocent victims.

On the flip side, some people will assume that because you allege to be a family member of Ms Tuttle's, you aren't doing enough to prove your "loyalty" to her and the "family" at the expense of her innocent victims.

No matter what you ssay or do...it's not going to be "good enough" or eniough for anyone else...

It's a very sad and lonely plae to be...

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 18 2011,5:30 am

Really? Do you mean a simple "I'm sorry" is not enough when you steal a cool hard million dollars that can't be repaid.

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 18 2011,6:30 am

The family members didn't steal the money.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 18 2011,11:24 pm

Stone-Magnon · Posted on Aug. 18 2011,5:30 am

***Really? Do you mean a simple "I'm sorry" is not enough when you steal a cool hard million dollars that can't be repaid. ***

That's exactly what I mean...

Chances are if Ms. Tuttle hadn't been caught for stealing from others she would still be doing this and more innocent people would have become her victims.

Gambling addiction or not, being on prescribed medicatin for restless leg syndrome or not...Ms. Tuttle has NO EXCUSE or JUSTIFICATION for stealing other people's money to do what SHE wanted to do that would make her happy.

Whether the majority of people care to admit it or not...there is a huge difference between Ms. Tuttle's choices after being caught and someone who is HONESTLY choosing to be accountable for harming others who are INNOCENT of any type of crime or wrong doing and creating hardships for them their future.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 19 2011,12:08 am

Mama...

As much as I like you, I don't agree with your philosophy of what is and should be the criminal behaivors and choices that others in society should be fearful of.

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 19 2011,7:28 am

HUH?

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 19 2011,8:52 am

QUOTE

The family members didn't steal the money.

But they sure defended the one who did. Wake up and smell the coffee and stop apologising for the woman and her defenders.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 19 2011,9:34 am

(Twiggs50 @ Aug. 11 2011,11:57 pm)

QUOTE

If you want to know who I am, then you can ask, but then you'd have to reveal who you are, and I don't think you want to do that. I'm not cowering, I'm just tired of trying to explain anything to you. You don't believe anything I say, so why should I continue?

You want to talk to me privately, great, go for it. Just tell me where and when, but I expect the same respect that you want.

Ok, I am. (asking you who you are) I'll reveal my identity. I'm not afraid to let those here know who I am when not in my corruption-fighting costume.

Talk to you privately? Why? What good does talking privately do for the rest of the forum members? We all want to know. I'll be here in costume until you show yourself.

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 19 2011,11:20 am

I never apologized for Linda Tuttle, but your saying all the family members knew about it isn't fact. You argue for the sake of arguing and I am done with this topic.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 20 2011,8:43 am

Alright people step right this way! The time to start making your bets is upon us. Let's see if we can predict Tuttle's sentence. Can anyone lay out the accurate sentencing guidelines to start off?

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2011,9:27 am

I thought I kinda did. Go back and read.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 20 2011,10:14 am

Mamma...

What I don't agree with is your belief that whenever someone, such as Ms. Tuttle, commits a crime that has a direct negaitve impact on an innocent person's life and future...the Judical System of the U.S. delivers Justice as it is "deserved."

In order for the U.S. Judicial system to be effective, every person who commits a crime and is caught has to feel guilt, remorse, shame and empathy for breaking the law and/or harming their innocent victims.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2011,10:44 am

BB, how can the judicial system invoke in a person guilt, shame, remorse or empathy?

Posted by busybee on Aug. 20 2011,1:40 pm

MD, the Judicial System can't and will never be successful in accomplishing that task.

To some people who are caught committing a crime, the only response is regretting that they were found out/told on and how that negatively impacts them.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 20 2011,7:01 pm

Well, what we have here is a very interesting case. You know me. You guys know I could be considered a social liberal I suppose. You guys know I have a great amount of compassion and always try to come down on the side of humanity. The question here is what is the adequate sentence for someone who steals a million dollars of their friends and neighbors money.

I think the sentence should be minimum of 5 years with 85% of that time must be served.

Although I would make this option. If the person convicted can make 50% restitution they could pay that instead of jail. In this case of Tuttle could repay $500,000 over 7.5 years that would be an option instead of prison. But if payments slacked, she'd go right to prison and lose what she paid.

Still compare this to what we do to drug offenders who often have NO victims. Don't you think we've carried on the drug war long enough, can't you all see the hatred it was born out of?

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2011,7:46 pm

(Stone-Magnon @ Aug. 20 2011,7:01 pm)

QUOTE

Don't you think we've carried on the drug war long enough,

I know we have here.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 20 2011,7:53 pm

Well, until it ends, I'm just not going to shut up about the gross injustice. That's what you do.

Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 20 2011,8:11 pm

Amazing, it only took 52 minutes to change your mind. You must be a social liberal.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 21 2011,11:38 am

Stone-Magnon · Posted on Aug. 20 2011,7:01 pm

***Well, what we have here is a very interesting case. You know me. You guys know I could be considered a social liberal I suppose. You guys know I have a great amount of compassion and always try to come down on the side of humanity. ***

Exactly Stone Magon!

I think the majority of forum members on here understand how much you empathize and have an overall humanitarian concern for an illegal drug user/distributor that are caught and forced into facing the consequences for CHOOSING to break those laws.

I wholeheartidly agree with you that illegal drug users and illegal drug distributors are not even remotely close to being the "dangerous and harmful criminals" in U.S. Society that should be FEARED and PUNISHED as a benefit to the SAFETY of others as is portrayed by 99% of the media, law enforcement, general public, ect...

On the flip side, I wholeheartidly disagree that illegal drug users/distributors experiences as "victims" of consequences should be constucted as being equivilent to those in U.S. society who experience being victims to the criminal choices of another.

I simply can't find any logical reasoning or validation for the way you imply that the victims who have suffered the negative finanial consequences of Ms. Tuttle's criminal behavior is the same type of victimization that an illegal drug user/distributor goes through.

***The question here is what is the adequate sentence for someone who steals a million dollars of their friends and neighbors money.

I think the sentence should be minimum of 5 years with 85% of that time must be served.***

I think Ms. Tuttle should only be afforded the right to freedom of employment in U.S. Society until she has successfully paid back every inocent victim she stole from.

I'd rather pay through taxes to support Ms. Tuttle's incarcertation when she is not working to pay back her innocent victims in full, than anything else of a lesser sentence.

However, society as a whole would have to recognize that paying for the incareration of someone for 25 years in federal prison ONLY because they were profiting finanially from selling illegal drugs is a complete waste of tax payers money first.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 21 2011,12:05 pm

****Although I would make this option. If the person convicted can make 50% restitution they could pay that instead of jail. In this case of Tuttle could repay $500,000 over 7.5 years that would be an option instead of prison. But if payments slacked, she'd go right to prison and lose what she paid. ****

I disagree. REAL VICTIMS deserve FULL RESTITUTION or the criminal should be punished in the same manner as the U.S. Government's and media pursue these consequences for how an illegal drug warrior chooses to illegally use and enjoy the personal financial profits of the money they obtain in an illegal manner.

****Still compare this to what we do to drug offenders who often have NO victims. Don't you think we've carried on the drug war long enough, can't you all see the hatred it was born out of?****

I agree with YOU. The U.S. Government's and media don't have a clue.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 21 2011,2:41 pm

if I was to get my full RESTITUTION I wont loose my house! wow that would be nice! but me and my husband are the ONLY ones so far that has NOT GOT A SINGLE PENNY yet from anything everyone else had insurance to cover what she took! we didn't and did not know she took it till it was gone! I guess we will suck it up and loose our house! I hope shes happy! im so mad I can screem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by busybee on Aug. 21 2011,3:11 pm

This is where I think the "American Dream" fails to prove accurate.

Why should you have to insure yourself against another person's choice to break the law?

It's one thing to be insured for the accidents that occur due to human error in judgement and natural causes...such as high winds, hail, ect...

But to pay for "insurance" just in case you are CHOSEN as a victim to a crime is insane!!!

I wish the U.S. System of Justice was doing it's job appropriately on behalf of those in society who are negatively impacted by those who choose to commit crimes that have a direct negative impact on others.

I'm sad to hear how damaging this has been on you financially!!

Posted by Boomerrang on Aug. 22 2011,8:37 pm

I just can't get over that Linda would put herself in this situation. She was at the top of her career. Now she has to look herself in the eye every day when she looks in the mirror.

Posted by babyangel56007 on Aug. 22 2011,8:51 pm

With all the thefts from jobs in Albert Lea someone should write a book as they could get rich off the book sales :rofl:

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 23 2011,10:25 pm

(busybee @ Aug. 21 2011,3:11 pm)

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are they referring to Title Insurance?

Posted by busybee on Aug. 23 2011,10:46 pm

Does it matter if it's about "title insurance" or not?

It's not that I don't get your point Santorini...because I do.

I also believe that the U.S. PUBLIC Citizens should NOT have to PAY to INSURE themselves just in case another U.S. Citizen decieves and steals from them.

Posted by babyangel56007 on Aug. 24 2011,12:00 am

Agree busybee- theft should not have to be insurance paid expense to the owners in this kind of case !!!!!

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 24 2011,6:58 am

I'm thinking she misunderstood what was said. Tuttle had some insurance that was paying the victims.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 24 2011,7:49 am

It's like the blind leading the blind in here and instead of ever turning on my light, I'd prefer to watch you bang into the walls.

Posted by Santorini on Aug. 24 2011,10:52 am

(busybee @ Aug. 23 2011,10:46 pm)

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You are right...it is unfair. Yet we pay to carry homeowners insurance to protect us from theft :dunno:

I am just curious about the poster that said Others got $$$ but they have not gotten anything. As a business owner Tuttle was required to carry insurance one called errors and ommissions and another I forget the name. This is probably why others got some of their losses covered. But why the poster that said they have not received anything is a mystery! (BTW my daughter and her husband were first time home buyers and victims as well), yet we are not capable of the degree of hatred others on this site are. :angel:

Posted by busybee on Aug. 24 2011,11:53 pm

Mamma · Posted on Aug. 24 2011,6:58 am

***I'm thinking she misunderstood what was said. Tuttle had some insurance that was paying the victims. ***

So?

Having business insurance is not the same as being ACCOUNTABLE for stealing someone else's money.

Having business insurance is just what it is...no more, no less.

Posted by busybee on Aug. 25 2011,12:06 am

Santorini...

Sadly...if we just opened up our eyes and minds...we wouldn't have to carry insurance to protect ourselves from the deceitful and manipulative cons that try to run our lives.

Posted by Mamma on Aug. 25 2011,7:01 am

Wellj, Hell, I didn't even know "con" insurance even existed.

Posted by mncowgirl on Aug. 25 2011,8:40 am

yes she has insurance to cover the victims and one is a million dollar policy, BUT it only covers employee theft, not owner theft, so they only paid out $75,000 and United Fire only covered $20,000 so theres $95,000 to be paid out to victims, BUT one lawyer took $10,000 out right away and another insurance company wants $14,000 so that leaves $71,000 left for victims, and there is $486,250.35 still owed to victims so how far is that $71,000 dollars going to go?

??? we might get enough money to go out for dinner! or burger king!

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 25 2011,8:46 am

The worst part about this deal is that now there's a monopoly in the abstract business in Albert Lea. And it's run by a ruthless woman willing to break the law herself.

THIS is a disaster for home buyers and sellers. The realtors in this town must help fix this or they are toast.