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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,4:57 pm |
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How hard is it to convince a bunch of conspiracy nuts that you're someone that works for the government? How would you know he's privy to a lot of operating procedures of the ATF?
How is it possible to believe every conspiracy theory? Or is there one that you don't believe?
Do you believe Obama was born in America?
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you believe that the twin towers were taken down with explosives?
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Just like all govt loving liberals, they want someone else to do the work for them or hold their hand, because that is what they do best, being told what to believe and be good little slaves.
Why don't you head over to cleanupatf.org and find out yourself, you have a computer, log on and read it. It is there, but you refuse to read. Instead you like to sit in your little rose colored world and deny that a govt agency would do such a thing, denial just isn't a river in Egypt you know.
QUOTE Do you believe Obama was born in America?
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you believe that the twin towers were taken down with explosives?
Moot and has nothing to do with a rouge ATF.
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2011,3:59 pm |
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Hezbollah in Mexico--and not arming themselves through any 'gun show loophole'
Business Insider bears the alarming news that the Iran-supported terrorist group Hezbollah is busy establishing a presence in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America:
QUOTE Islamic terrorist groups are setting up shop in Mexico and forming alarming ties with the country's brutal drug cartels, according to a 2010 internal memo from the Tucson Police Department.
The memo (pdf file) referred to here was not intended for public consumption, and came to light only after the hacker group LulzSec hacked into Arizona Department of Public Safety computers.
Well that's unnerving, especially given the fact that, according to the Violence Policy Center (VPC), the U.S. civilian gun market is a "virtually unregulated bazaar of military-style firearms," which is routinely heavily utilized by the Mexican drug cartels (Hezbollah's new buddies, remember). On top of that, American-born Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn says any aspiring jihadist in the U.S. can just pop into the nearest gun show, and buy "a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card" (my emphasis added).
Except that's not what's happening. From the memo:
QUOTE In July of this year, Mexican authorities arrested Jameel Nasr in Tijuana, Baja California. Nasr was alleged to be tasked with establishing the Hezbollah network in Mexico and throughout South America. In April of last year, the arrest of Jamal Yousef – in New York City - exposed a weapons cache of 100 M- 16 assault rifles, 100 AR-15 rifles, 2,500 hand grenades, C4 explosives and antitank munitions. According to Yousef, the weapons, which were being stored in Mexico, had been stolen from Iraq with the help of his cousin who was a member of Hezbollah.
Stolen from Iraq, and then smuggled across an ocean to Mexico, when there's a "virtually unregulated bazaar of military-style firearms" to shop from right here?
Of course, not every wannabe jihadist has a cousin in Iraq to help him steal weapons there. No problem--there's plenty of firepower to be had all over Latin America--and that's without the Obama government "walking" guns to killers in Mexico and Honduras.
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So in the face of heavily armed terrorists who consider killing Americans to be a free ticket to paradise, gathering just across our very cursorily secured border with Mexico, what would the forcible citizen disarmament advocates have us do? Make it more difficult for us to obtain firearms to defend ourselves, and mandate that the firearms available to us be less capable.
Just whose side are they on?
link to Tuscon Memo
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2011,4:08 pm |
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New Mexico connection--innocent citizen jailed for cooperating with ATF
So far in the continually unfolding story of historic corruption and scandal at the Department of Justice and its bureau, the ATF, the focus has been primarily upon Phoenix and Tampa. Another possible connection surfaced last week involving the Houston, Texas field office of the ATF.
However, in the growing media frenzy that has resulted from irrefutable, bombshell evidence implicating the DOJ and the ATF in an illegal scheme to place American guns into the hands of Mexican and Honduran criminals, yet another connection has been largely overlooked involving the state of New Mexico and ATF field agents in the small border town of Columbus, NM.
The importance of the New Mexico connection lies in the fact that an innocent citizen sits in jail on bogus charges, charges that fail to recognize that his 'crimes' involved nothing more than doing what he was told by law enforcement acting on behalf of ATF agents as they made straw purchases of firearms from his gun shop in Columbus.
Ian Garland owns and operates 'Chapparel Guns' in Chapparel, New Mexico, which is located near Columbus. In late 2009 or early 2010 the police chief and mayor of Columbus came into Garland's store and told him that they wished to purchase high-powered firearms--AK-47s--to give to their families for protection against Mexican drug cartels. According to records, Garland followed the law, obtaining the necessary background checks, completing the required paperwork, and receiving the expressed agreement of the ATF.
What Ian Garland did not know is that he had just participated in an ATF scheme to walk U.S. guns into Mexico. For this, he sits in jail where he has been since March, without bail. His public defender offered him a plea bargain--tell the judge that he knew where the guns were going (to Mexico), which he did not know, and he can get out of jail. In other words, Garland's plea bargain is that in exchange for being released from jail he must lie.
While behind bars Garland wrote a lengthy handwritten letter in which he described what took place. That letter is reproduced in 6 parts Here,Here,Here,Here,Here and Here. It is an excruciating story of how the life of one innocent citizen was totally ruined by corrupt agents of the federal government. His house, his business, his animals, his good name are all gone. And his wife is on the verge of a complete mental breakdown.
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But why? Why would the ATF throw an innocent man in jail and charge him with multiple felonies involving weapons trafficking?
And Garland is not the only one. The police chief and mayor of Columbus, New Mexico--along with 9 other citizens of the town--have been similarly charged.
To understand the reason for this gross injustice, one must grasp the mindset that is currenty entrenched in the ATF and the Department of Justice under Eric Holder. Obeying the law is not a requirement. What matters is the agenda that must be propagated at all costs. If the law gets in the way, it must be broken, and if caught, a coverup must ensue.
It already has been established that the DOJ and the ATF are presently involved in such a coverup. Project Gunwalker--Operation Fast and Furious--has been exposed. Now the goal is to try to salvage what little reputation is left for the ATF. Thus, the indictments against Ian Garland and over a dozen citizens in Columbus, New Mexico. The indictments were handed down with great fanfare and publicity, supposedly to show that the stellar ATF is doing its job in catching criminals, as this report from Salem News indicates:
QUOTE ...last week, ATF, along with ICE, announced that 11 people in the small border town of Columbus, N.M., including the mayor and police chief, had been indicted on gun-trafficking charges.
From the ATF’s PR announcement on the indictment in Columbus:
The indictment alleges that, between January 2010 and March 2011, the defendants engaged in a conspiracy to purchase firearms for illegal export to Mexico. During this 14-month period, the defendants allegedly purchased about 200 firearms from "Chaparral Guns," a store owned and operated by defendant Ian Garland.
But in the case of both of these “good stories,” the facts not included in the PR spin raise some serious questions as to what is really going on behind the curtains of the drug war.
Those 'facts not included in the PR spin' are that ATF whistleblowers inside the bureau have indicated, with proof, that it is the ATF itself that is overflowing with criminals.
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ATF Death Watch 40: Come On In! The Water’s Fine!
You just knew this was gonna happen. Here we’ve been focusing on the ATF lo these many weeks. And now the shockwaves emanating from Fast n’ Furious are rippling out to other alphabetic agencies in the ObamaNation. Think the ATF could get in this much trouble and screw up this badly without some big-time help from it’s sister-agencies? Think again, because reports are starting to surface that the FBI is neck-deep in kimchee, right along with our friends from the ATF&E (and sometimes Really Big Fires). And here at TTAG, we’re not too big to say “I told you so.”
Remember that book, Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten? Well, aside from the fact that some of the cowboys over ATF way have been acting like a bunch of spoiled brats about to get sent to their room for a Really Long Time-Out, there are some other lessons from the playground that might well be applied here. First up, the Rule of Mutually-Assured (Self-)Destruction.
You know what I mean. When a kid is Hell-bent on devilment at recess, first thing he’s gonna do is to enlist the help of some other bully. Why? A) a bully on your team is a bully you don’t have to worry about playing for the other side, and B) the other bully isn’t liable to rat you out to the teacher, if you’ve got the goods on him.
We know, for instance, that Fast n’ Furious was what they euphemistically refer to as a joint agency task force, wherein one agency can’t hack it alone, and has to offer the other kids a chance to play with the agency’s toys, in exchange for their help.
Anthony Martin over at the Examiner.com has a scoop that suggests (read: “emphatically describes”) the FBI is in even deeper than the ATF in this mess. Check out this story from the Los Angeles Times: Gun-smuggling cartel figures possibly were paid FBI informants. Aside from the clumsy title, the piece lays it all out in black and white.
QUOTE Congressional investigators probing the controversial “Fast and Furious” anti-gun-trafficking operation on the border with Mexico believe at least six Mexican drug cartel figures involved in gun smuggling also were paid FBI informants, officials said Saturday.
The investigators have asked the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration for details about the alleged informants, as well as why agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the Fast and Furious operation, were not told about them.
If I were FBI Director Robert Mueller, I’d be looking over at his boss, Attorney General Eric Holder, and saying something like “I got a bad feelin’ about this, Sundance.” In fact, when you think about it, this whole mess is beginning to read like some B-movie Western script.
You know, the one where the bad guy/robber baron (that would be Obama) is trying to steal all the land from the peaceful ranchers (that would be private gun owners), and gets his hired guns (ATF) and the corrupt sheriff (FBI) to go plant some evidence (oh, say of guns in the hands of hostile Indian tribes) and gets some of the honest deputies shot to Hell and gone. (Agents Terry & Zapata). The robber baron gets his hand caught in the cookie jar, when some of the ranchers recognize members of the band of cutthroats behind the kerchiefs covering their faces. (Seeings how effective the ATF/FBI ops were, perhaps they had the kerchiefs over their eyes instead of their noses and mouths.)
But even though they get caught red-handed, the robber baron brazenly goes ahead with his plan to take control of the valley, pass all sorts of new laws (that would be the Executive Orders) and generally point to the failed op as proof positive there’s a problem that only his heavy-handed control can solve. Um…Hell YEAH, there’s a problem, pal! It’s YOU! YOU’RE the problem – you and your bunch of thugs that resemble the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight more than the Magnificent Seven. Sheesh!ˆ
We’ve seen this movie before. In the cinema, the bad guy never wins. The Lone Ranger and Tonto, John Wayne, Audie Murphy – SOMEbody shows up that understands that Law and Order is more than a cop show on NBC, stops the bad guys, rights the wrongs, and saves the farm.
Only this isn’t the movies. What I wanna know is where in the Wide, Wide World o’ Sports are Woodward and Bernstein, or their modern-day equivalents? I mean, don’t those guys still have the fire in their bellies? Don’t they smell a good story and see “Pulitzer Prize” written all over it, then jump to cover it? They are still alive, aren’t they? I don’t know I think this is further evidence (as if we needed any) that traditional journalism has lost all credibility, and the modern-day Woodward and Bernstein won’t be found behind a battered Smith-Corona or IBM Selectric at the WaPo, but is far more likely to be found in some den, hunched over a cheap Dell laptop, combing through sources, making calls, and exposing the villains for who they really are.
Seriously, the FBI? I mean, I’m not surprised, but I was kind holding out hope that the Fibbies would retain at least a little credibility, so we could have someone to turn too, once the ATF gets the bureaucratic version of the death penalty, and be able to point to them and say, “Well, at least these guys aren’t willing to break laws just to get their agenda in play.” But nooooooooooo! We’ve gotta have yet again another agency willing to do anything, say anything (or in this case NOT say anything, as in “withholding evidence”), or hide anything to have their way.
But there is another side to this story. All that inter-departmental cooperation and joint task-forcing stuff? That requires approval of the bosses. The head of the ATF and the head of the FBI can’t just wake up one morning and decide to have a bromance. They gotta go ask Dad’s permission first. Now let’s see…who do the FBI and ATF report to? Oh, yeah. They are both direct reports to Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General.
That means he was aware of the project well before it blew up. And it also means he is responsible for what happens on his watch, regardless of how much knowledge he had/has of the inner workings of the project. But let’s look at this logically. We’ve seen the movie, remember. Thugs don’t make the plans. They carry them out. It’s the big guy and his lieutenants that make the plans.
So I’ve got in mind a scene from a movie. We’ll remake it. I’m gonna cast Obama and Holder as Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Forget Melson and Mueller. They don’t have the box office draw of the superstars of politics. Let me set the scene. It’s the very end of the flick. Butch and Sundance are holed up in a shack in a valley in Bolivia. The Pinkerton man has tracked them down, and has the shack completely surrounded. We’ll get Issa to play the Pinkerton detective, and Grassley will be in charge of the Senators, uh…Federales. Obama looks at Holder and says “who ARE these guys?”
Then Holder and Obama throw the door open and run out, guns blazing. Fade to white. Or black. (I’m easy.) Cut. Print. It’s a wrap.
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Posted on: Jul. 18 2011,9:56 pm |
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(Liberal @ Jul. 18 2011,9:42 pm)
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Why don't you head over to cleanupatf.org and find out yourself, you have a computer, log on and read it. It is there, but you refuse to read. Instead you like to sit in your little rose colored world and deny that a govt agency would do such a thing, denial just isn't a river in Egypt you know.
The site is called cleanupatf.org and you consider this an unbiased, facts based source?
Biased because it is owned and operated by an ATF agent?
Oh, thats right, an employee isn't suppose to question his superiors and speak out when things are done illegally. Guess I never got that memo on how to be bullied by a boss and never speak out. Heaven forbid to challenge authority.
Facts are facts and if you see that the truth as being biased, well thats your problem not mine.
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ATF Director: DOJ Response to Fast and Furious Investigation Intended to Protect Political Appointees
Chairman Issa and Senator Grassley Press Attorney General Holder with Key Testimony
WASHINGTON, D.C. – Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley today pressed Attorney General Eric Holder about the Justice Department's unsatisfactory responses and lack of cooperation with an investigation into the highly controversial Operation Fast and Furious. A letter sent by the two lead investigators highlighted testimony indicating internal disputes within the Justice Department and a statement from the Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) that the Justice Department is attempting to protect its political appointees.
"It was very frustrating to all of us, and it appears thoroughly to us that the Department is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the Department," ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson said of his frustration with the Justice Department's response to the investigation in a transcribed interview.
"The Department should not be withholding what Mr. Melson described as the 'smoking gun' report of investigation or Mr. Melson's emails regarding the wiretap applications," wrote Issa and Grassley. "Mr. Melson said he reviewed the affidavits in support of the wiretap applications for the first time after the controversy became public and immediately contacted the Deputy Attorney General's office to raise concerns about information in them that was inconsistent with the Department's public denials. The Department should also address the serious questions raised by Mr. Melson's testimony regarding potential informants for other agencies."
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Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
It’s a stunning allegation that makes the other gunrunning scandals look like child’s play.
Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:
Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.
Robert “Tosh” Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, told the Times he supported Jordan’s allegations, adding that the Zetas have reportedly bought property in the Columbus, N.M., border region to stash weapons and other contraband.
“From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales Program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”
The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. It regulates and licenses private U.S. companies’ overseas sales of weapons and other defense materials, defense services, and military training. This does not include the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which authorized sales to foreign governments.
An El Paso Times article – as of now ignored by mainstream media — went into much more Shocking Detail:
QUOTE “They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.
“The information about the arms trafficking was provided to our U.S. authorities long before the ‘Columbus 11′ investigation began,” said Plumlee, referring to recent indictments accusing several Columbus city officials of arms trafficking in conjunction with alleged accomplices in El Paso and Chaparral, N.M.
Jesús Rejón Aguilar, the number three man in the Zeta’s hierarchy, disclosed last week that the Zetas bought weapons in the United States and transported them across the Rio Grande. Mexican federal authorities captured Rejón on July 3 in the state of Mexico, and presented him to the news media the next day. His recorded video statement was uploaded on YouTube.
Jordan agreed with Plumlee’s allegations that the Zetas are operating in the Columbus-Palomas border.
Plumlee, who has testified before U.S. congressional committees about arms and drug trafficking, said the roads in Southern New Mexico provide smugglers easy access to Mexico’s highway networks.
Insight.org provides a map of the air-smuggling route originating in Dallas at Alliance Airport and ending in Columbus, New Mexico — a small town that has also been rocked by the arrests and guilty pleas of the town mayor and other elected officials who were running guns to a cartel safehouse, and then apparently into Mexico.
There is no direct link made as of yet between the Columbus, NM, officials case and the allegations of the Dallas-to-Columbus air smuggling route, but the possible connection should raise eyebrows.
If these allegations can be verified: what on Earth was the State Department thinking supplying the direct sale of military weapons to a cartel front company? Weapons that were then smuggled out of the very airport used by the Drug Enforcement Agency charged with bringing down the cartels?
Anthony Martin at the Examiner brings up one of the most damning and compelling questions that the State Department and Obama administration must answer if this story is true:
QUOTE The program is set up so that the sale of U.S. guns to foreign entities involve direct negotiations with the governments of those countries purchasing the weapons. The description of the program specifically states that it regulates the sale of U.S. firearms to other countries or international organizations.
How, then, did a drug cartel purchase weapons through this program when it is neither an international organization nor a government?
At The Truth About Guns, Brad Kozak opines:
QUOTE The ATF was not the only ones running guns to Mexico. Apparently the State Department was playing, too. And then consider this angle — was the State Department competing with the ATF for the hearts and minds of the Mexican drug trade?
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If the ATF is supplying the Sinaloas (with Calderón’s tacit approval and/or help) and State is playing for the Zetas, where does that leave the rest of America?
It sounds like a fictional thriller, but considering what we’ve already learned of Operation Fast and Furious, the Justice Department, and the possibility of even more gunrunning operations (Operation Castaway) out of DOJ, is a rival program being run out of State really a bizarre accusation?
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