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GD, I whole heartedly agree with you on this. I wish you would take as much attention on how we are being fed as food to the ultra wealthy, legally. The United States OF America, is no longer our home. It is the feeding ground of the wealthy and govt agencies that will do what ever it takes to stay in power. Some do not see the picture yet for they are not being nibbled on yet. :(

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GD, I whole heartedly agree with you on this. I wish you would take as much attention on how we are being fed as food to the ultra wealthy, legally. The United States OF America, is no longer our home. It is the feeding ground of the wealthy and govt agencies that will do what ever it takes to stay in power. Some do not see the picture yet for they are not being nibbled on yet. :(

While I understand where you are coming from in regards to the 'evil rich' and was pretty much spoon fed the same tired cliche's as a youth, but as I got older I started to see things in a different light, through educating myself.

Is there some that will do anything to remain in power and gain wealth at any means possible?  You bet, but those numbers are very little.  The biggest threat to wealth in this country is our very own govt, like it or not, all one has to do is look back in history and see the continued trend on legislation being passed that seems to take more and more money from the citizens and throws up barriers against businesses to be profitable, and a federal govt that seems to spend money liken to a teen without any constraints all in the name of the so called greater good, and without any regard to the hardships it befalls upon WE the citizens.  Something has to give, and it is time the federal govt to have most of its budget stripped from them.

2nd Amendment issues IMHO are the most important, as I see the 2nd Amendment is the ultimate Enumerated Constitutional Right that protects the rest.   When we see dumbass operations such as this and utter contempt for the law by our very own govt, and this could be the most damning scandal of the decade, and heads should roll over this.


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PostIcon Posted on: Jul. 12 2011,7:31 am Skip to the previous post in this topic. Skip to the next post in this topic. Ignore posts   QUOTE

Why is it that World Nut Daily and the other right wing rags are the only "news" sources to be reporting on this?

In general if you see something on WND that says "WND Exclusive" you can be sure that it's not true.


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I have no idea why other news organizations are not covering this.  Maybe some of those news organizations are apologists for the federal govt and turn a blind eye to it.

There are other online news outlets that are covering this, but not enough.  This is probably the biggest scandal since watergate.  One can gain a lot of info from Clean up ATF a website run by an ATF agent, and many of those that post there are ATF agents from all over the US.


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L.A. Times is on it, and hopefully this video comes through from CBS.  

  "...and a 5-6-7-8!..."   tap, taptatap tap tap...

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7371762n


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Never let a crisis go to waste even if it is a manufactured one by the hands of our federal govt.

BREAKING: DoJ announces gun reporting requirements; Issa, Grassley respond

Late Monday, the Department of Justice announced that it will begin requiring gun dealers in four Southwest Border states to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines.

  This is a long-anticipated move by the Justice Department in the wake of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal. It was quickly branded as a political maneuver by Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who has been leading the investigation of the botched gun trafficking sting mounted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It also brought a quick reaction from Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) who initially began digging into Fast and Furious in late January.

  The new rule announcement reads:

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   STATEMENT OF DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL JAMES COLE REGARDING INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR MULTIPLE SALES OF SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES WITH DETACHABLE MAGAZINES

   WASHINGTON - Deputy Attorney General James Cole issued the following statement today regarding information requests for multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines in select states along the Southwest Border:

   "The international expansion and increased violence of transnational criminal networks pose a significant threat to the United States.  Federal, state and foreign law enforcement agencies have determined that certain types of semi-automatic rifles - greater than .22 caliber and with the ability to accept a detachable magazine - are highly sought after by dangerous drug trafficking organizations and frequently recovered at violent crime scenes near the Southwest Border.  This new reporting measure -- tailored to focus only on multiple sales of these types of rifles to the same person within a five-day period -- will improve the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to detect and disrupt the illegal weapons trafficking networks responsible for diverting firearms from lawful commerce to criminals and criminal organizations.  These targeted information requests will occur in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to help confront the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico and along the Southwest Border."

   SOME BACKGROUND FROM DOJ:

   To address the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico, ATF will send an information request to Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) in the four Southwest Border states:  Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico. The point of this request is to provide a targeted approach to address the problem of illegal gun trafficking through sales to "straw purchasers," people who claim to be the true buyers of firearms but in reality are purchasing firearms on behalf of others.

   

   ATF will tailor the information request to address the specific threat.  It applies only to firearms dealers in the four border states, and its prospective reporting requirements apply only if a firearms dealer sells within five business days to a single individual two or more long guns having all of the following characteristics:

   

   o          Semi-automatic action;

   o          A caliber greater than .22, including .223 caliber firearms; and

   o          The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

   

   The issuance of ATF's information request follows two periods of public notice and comment, as required by law.  On December 17, 2010, ATF published a notice in the Federal Register requesting public comments on the information request for 60 days.  After reviewing the comments submitted in response to this notice, ATF published a second notice in the Federal Register on April 29, 2011, requesting public comments for 30 days.  OMB reviewed the last set of public comments before approving the information collection request.  


 Here is Issa’s blistering response:
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“This political maneuver seems designed to protect the careers of political appointees at the Justice Department and not public safety.  It’s disconcerting that Justice Department officials who may have known about or tried to cover-up gunwalking in Operation Fast and Furious are continuing attempts to distract attention from clear wrongdoing.  In Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers didn’t need this regulation as they voluntarily provided ATF agents with information about suspected straw purchasers.  In return for this voluntary cooperation, the Justice Department betrayed them by offering false assurances that they would closely monitor sales of weapons that dealers otherwise did not want to make.”


 And here is the statement from Sen. Grassley:
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“We’ve learned from our investigation of Fast and Furious that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions.  In fact, in just the documents we’ve obtained, we are aware of 150 multiple long guns sales associated with the ATF’s Fast and Furious case, and despite the fact that nearly all of these sales were reported in real time by cooperating gun dealers, the ATF watched the guns be transported from known straw purchasers to third parties and then let the guns walk away, often across the border.  This makes it pretty clear that the problem isn’t lack of burdensome reporting requirements.  The administration’s continued overreach with regulations continues, and is a distraction from its reckless policy to allow guns to walk into Mexico.”


 My colleague, David Codrea, is also writing about this issue today.

  Perhaps not coincidentally, the announcement comes as the Washington Post editorialized about the ATF scandal, once again trying to deflect blame away from the Obama administration and towards its critics, most notably the National Rifle Association. Incredibly, the Washington Post argues:
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   Now, the very critics who have tied the bureau’s hands are expressing outrage over a novel, and we would agree questionable, ATF operation intended to curb gun smuggling into Mexico…

   Those who would clobber the bureau for possible mistakes should look in the mirror and accept some responsibility for its failings.


The suggestion by the Washington Post that ATF be given more power infuriated one of the nation's leading gun rights activists, who had this to say:
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   "Giving the ATF corruptocrats more power at this point would result in more weapons for the Mexican drug gangs. Talk about rewarding bad behavior.

   "Don't give them more power. Give them and the higher ups at the Justice Department who have approved Fast &  Furious jail time."—Alan Gottlieb, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.


The cover-up surrounding Operation Fast and Furious is slowly but surely beginning to crumble. Trying to blame the debacle on gun rights organizations is, according to critics, a flimsy sham that will increasingly fail the smell test as this investigation continues to unfold.



Quite interesting in how this can be accomplished without a bill being passed in Congress, since when do agencies write their own laws?  If this were the case why even have a legislature?  This whole reporting issue is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and needs to be struck down and barred from ever being implemented, who made these POS usurpers king? :dunno:


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Breaking news from WND? Seriously how many times does that site burn you republitards, and you still repeat their garbage.

It seems to me that you right wing loons are excited about a Bush era policy claiming it's bigger than Watergate, yet you can't find a credible news source that's reported on it? It's not like I'm in the habit of defending what that moron Bush did, but I'm at a loss as to how this is "bigger than Watergate".

And wasn't "Bigger than Watergate" a headline on World Nut Daily last week?


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Why do you ASSume its from worldnet daily?  It isn't.  It is taken from from the MANY gun sites I visit, things like ammoland, the truth about guns, sipsy street irregulars, GOA, keep and bear arms, Second Amendment Foundation, ect..

And this scandal is getting bigger and bigger by the day, Project Fast and Furious was originally Project Gunwalker, and it seems it may have been used as early as the Iran/Contra scandal, which was born out of the CIA / DEA / FBI.  

I find it disgusting that POS oath breakers implement so called BS straw purchase laws, then turns around and breaks the very UNCONSTITUTIONAL law they are suppose to uphold, but I get it, "Do as I say, not as I do" type mentality.


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Iran/Contra scandal? :rofl:
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To help combat firearms trafficking into Mexico, ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department's broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence  associated with these activities on both sides of the border.

   In June 2007, ATF published a strategy document, Southwest Border Initiative:  Project Gunrunner (Gunrunner strategy), outlining four key components to Project Gunrunner: the expansion of gun tracing in Mexico, international coordination, domestic activities, and intelligence. In implementing Project Gunrunner, ATF has focused resources in its four Southwest border field divisions. In addition, ATF has made firearms trafficking to Mexico a top ATF priority nationwide.

[DOJ IG report, Review of ATF's Project Gunrunner, November 2010]
http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf


"Bigger than watergate"? :rofl:


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Laugh all you want, it seems this rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.  With more information being provided by whistle-blowers, from current active and retired federal agents.  With acting director Melson choosing to meet privately with Grassly and Issa, he has provided a bevy of information the DOJ sought to muzzle.

You seem to think your dear govt does NO wrong.  Our current form of govt is so far from the Constitutional constraints, and likens itself master of WE the People, and seems it can do whatever it wants.   :finger:  the govt.


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