Forum: Current Events
Topic: Project GunWalker
started by: Grinning_Dragon

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 01 2011,8:38 pm
I have been following this story for a while now and it seems it is on the edge.  Will be interesting to see which way this goes.  I myself would like to see the destruction of the BATFE, as this govt agency is a waste of time and taxpayers money, not to mention seems to think its mandate is above the law.

here is a snippet...

Some of you may have heard about the brewing scandal called “Project Gunwalker.” In a nutshell, BATFE is being accused of walking guns – mostly AR-15s and AK-47s – across the border into Mexico from the Phoenix area. Making matters worse, it is reported that one of these weapons was used to kill Border Patrol Officer Brian Terry on December 15, 2010.

This is a scandal that has been brewing since September of last year. The problem is, though, none of the major mainstream media outlets seem to have the backbone to pick up the story and run with it. Whistle-blowers inside the BATFE have come forward, at risk of losing their jobs (or worse), and little has been done to give them any assistance.

One person who has started to get involved is our own Senator Charles Grassley. According to multiple sources, Senator Grassley is beginning to get more involved.  It is reported that today, he reminded the BATFE that they may not impede the investigation and they must protect the whistle-blowers who have stepped forward with the insider information.

As of this evening, there are still very few media outlets that are following the story. The only two that we've seen have yet to attribute any of their information to the hard work done by Codrea and Vanderboegh.

Hats off the Senator Grassley for keeping up the pressure on BATFE and AG Holder. You'll notice that our other Senator, Tom Harkin, hasn't offered any assistance with the investigation of what could turn out to be quite the scandal.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Feb. 01 2011,8:53 pm
Who is BAT?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 01 2011,9:02 pm

(Stone-Magnon @ Feb. 01 2011,8:53 pm)
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Who is BAT?

Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and really big fires)

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 01 2011,9:45 pm
“Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget?”

There are actually four separate but connected accusations against ATF officials: First, that they intentionally arranged to have hundreds of firearms "walked" across the U.S. border into Mexico. Second, that they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners. Third, that they intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican government. Fourth, that one of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of Agent Terry.

Posted by Liberal on Feb. 01 2011,10:09 pm
When was the last time you read something true on World Nut Daily?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 01 2011,10:13 pm
Sorry I didn't get this from worldnetdaily.
Posted by Liberal on Feb. 01 2011,10:27 pm
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The death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent north of Nogales, Ariz., on December 14, 2010 might turn out to be the death knell for the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF.

Allegations have surfaced suggesting that one of the guns used by Mexican bandits during the firefight in which Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed might have been smuggled into Mexico with the knowing assistance of ATF officials. If these allegations prove to be true, it is quite possible that the long troubled agency could be dismantled. Even if there proves to be no connection with Agent Terry's death, the scrutiny generated by an investigation could crash the agency.

There are actually four separate but connected accusations against ATF officials: First, that they intentionally arranged to have hundreds of firearms "walked" across the U.S. border into Mexico. Second, that they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners. Third, that they intentionally withheld information about U.S.-sanctioned gun smuggling from the Mexican government. Fourth, that one of the guns ATF allowed or helped to be smuggled into Mexico was involved in the death of Agent Terry.

The accusations first arose on an ATF insider Internet forum called < www.CleanUpATF.org, > where suggestions of these possible misdeeds were characterized as rumors, speculation and "word on the street."

The forum is a gathering place for disgruntled ATF employees frustrated with ATF management and aimed at rooting out waste, fraud, abuse and managerial malfeasance.

After the initial rumors were picked up by Internet blogger Mike Vanderboegh of SipseyStreetIrregulars.blogspot.com and David Codrea of WaronGuns.blogspot.com and Examiner news, more information began trickling out, and Codrea and Vanderboegh began receiving independent and credible corroboration of the rumors.

At this point the two claim that there are government employees prepared to step forward with personal knowledge and documentation to prove some or all of the accusations, but that the whistleblowers fear reprisals and are seeking official protection from someone in Congress before turning over their information. So far members of Congress are running in the opposite direction.

Read more: Did U.S. agency smuggle guns to Mexico to justify its budget? < http://www.wnd.com/index.p...lwSNRtn >


Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Feb. 01 2011,10:30 pm
< here > and < here >

didnt know worldnetdaily was covering it.

Posted by grassman on Feb. 02 2011,11:09 am
I am sure it will be found that there was no sting, no runners, no shooter. ATF was not even working in the state at the time and they would never do something like that. :sarcasm:
There are so many govt. run agencies that make work. Job justification so to speak. CIA, ATF, DEA, and FBI, along with some social service networks. Gotta keep them paychecks coming. Just say no.

Posted by Common Citizen on Feb. 02 2011,12:37 pm

(grassman @ Feb. 02 2011,11:09 am)
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I am sure it will be found that there was no sting, no runners, no shooter. ATF was not even working in the state at the time and they would never do something like that. :sarcasm:
There are so many govt. run agencies that make work. Job justification so to speak. CIA, ATF, DEA, and FBI, along with some social service networks. Gotta keep them paychecks coming. Just say no.

:clap:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 05 2011,11:19 pm
Senator Grassley's latest letter to Holder & Melson. 5 Pages and 10 Attachments of damning documents. These guys are gonna need a real good lawyer.

March 3, 2011

Via Electronic Transmission
The Honorable Eric H. Holder, Jr., Attorney General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530

Kenneth E. Melson, Acting Director
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives
99 New York Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20226

Dear Attorney General Holder and Acting Director Melson:

It is has been over a month since I first contacted Acting Director Melson about serious whistleblower allegations related to a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) operation called “Fast and Furious”—part of the broader “Project Gunrunner” initiative. Several agents alleged that ATF leadership encouraged cooperating gun dealers to engage in sales of multiple assault weapons to individuals suspected of illegally purchasing for resale to Mexican cartels. These agents were motivated to come forward after federal authorities recovered two of the Operation Fast and Furious guns at the scene where a Customs and Border Patrol Agent named Brian Terry was killed.

In response to my letter, the Department of Justice (DOJ) denied that ATF would ever knowingly allow weapons to fall into the hands of criminals, or let firearms “walk” in an operation. On February 9, I wrote to DOJ and attached documents that supported the whistleblower allegations about the guns found at the scene of Agent Terry's death.1

My office continues to receive mounting evidence in support of the whistleblower allegations. For example, attached are detailed accounts of three specific instances where ATF allowed firearms to “walk.”2 In all three instances, the suspect asks a cooperating

1 Letter from Senator Grassley to Attorney General Holder. February 9, 2011. Accessed at < http://judiciary.senate.gov/resourc...TF.pdf. >

2 ATF Reports of Investigation (ROIs) detailing ATF Phoenix Field Operations from May 8-June 1, 2010. (Attachment 1)

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defendant to purchase firearms at a gun dealer who was also cooperating with the ATF. So, two of the three participants in the transactions were acting in concert with the ATF. Yet, the ATF allowed the suspect to take possession of the firearms in each instance. In one case the suspect said that he “assumed the only real risk in their trafficking arrangement when he [REDACTED] „erase(d) the (serial) numbers‟ from the firearms and „take (transports) them…‟”3

The whistleblowers did not wait until a federal agent was killed before voicing their concerns internally. Several agents in the Phoenix Gun Trafficking Group (Group VII) voiced their opposition to the ATF‟s handling of the case internally first. Group Supervisor David Voth sent an email on March 12, 2010 about the “schism developing amongst our group.”4 His response to dissent within the group was to invite those who disagreed with the strategy to find another job:

   Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case and they also believe we (Phoenix Group VII) are doing what they envisioned the Southwest Border Groups doing. It may sound cheesy, but we are “The tip of the ATF spear” [sic] when it comes to the Southwest Border Firearms Trafficking.

   We need to resolve our issues at this meeting. I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumors, or other adolescent behavior.

   … If you don’t think this is fun, you’re in the wrong line of work— period! This is the pinnacle of domestic U.S. law enforcement techniques. After this the toolbox is empty. Maybe the Maricopa County Jail is hiring detention officers and you can get paid $30,000 (instead of $100,000) to serve lunch to inmates all day.5



Two weeks later, on April 2, 2010, Voth sent an email to Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley and Assistant Special Agent in Charge (ASAC) George Gillett with the subject, “No pressure but perhaps an increased sense of urgency.”6 In the email, he reiterated support for the strategy, but cited increasing levels of violence as a reason to move more quickly. Voth wrote:

   Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during the month of March alone, to include numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles. I believe we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking in to [sic] account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advised to the overall good of the mission.

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   acknowledge that we are all in agreement that to do so properly requires patience and planning. In the event, however, that there is anything we can do to facilitate a timely response or turnaround by others, we should communicate our sense of urgency with regard to this matter.7



Voth also acknowledged in a May 3, 2010 email to his group that “April was the second most violent month during the Calderon administration with 1,231 executions.”8 ATF personnel in Mexico reportedly noted the increased violence and contacted ATF Headquarters to express concern over the Operation Fast and Furious strategy of allowing the weapons sales to proceed.

ATF Headquarters was fully aware of the strategy. A copy the Operation Fast and Furious case summary sent to ATF Headquarters states:

   This OCDETF [Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force] case is a large scale firearms trafficking case with the firearms being recovered in the Republic of Mexico or on/near the US/Mexico border (El Paso, TX, Nogales, AZ, Douglas, AZ, etc.) To date over 1,500 firearms have been purchased since October 2009 for over one million ($1,000,000.00) cash in over-the-counter transactions at various Phoenix area FFLs. [REDACTION] There are many facets to this investigation but ATF is attempting to not only secure a straw purchase/dealing in firearms without a license case against various individuals but more specifically to make the bigger connection to the Mexican Cartel/Drug Trafficking Organization (DTO) obtaining these firearms for the best possible case and the most severe charges when it is time to Indict [sic] this case.9



Dismantling the Mexican drug cartels is a worthy goal. However, asking cooperating gun dealers to arm cartels and bandits without control of the weapons or knowledge of their whereabouts is an extremely risky strategy. ATF leadership did not allow agents to interdict the weapons in this case. Instead, agents simply monitored the purchases of “suspect guns” and entered them into a database of firearms “suspected to eventually be used in criminal activity.”10 Over the course of this investigation, weapons allowed to walk were ending up in Mexico and along the Southwestern border. The ATF was well aware that this was happening. For example, in November 2009, four 7.62 caliber weapons were recovered in Naco, Mexico just two weeks after being purchased by one of the ATF‟s suspects in Glendale, Arizona.11 Also, in July 2010 a Romanian AK-47

variant—the same model found at the scene of Agent Terry‟s death—was recovered in Navojoa, Mexico.12

In light of this evidence, the Justice Department‟s denials simply don‟t hold water. On February 4, 2011, the Department claimed that the ATF did not “knowingly” allow the sale of assault weapons to straw purchasers and that “ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation into Mexico.”13 Clearly those statements are not accurate. These documents establish that ATF allowed illegal firearm purchases by suspected traffickers in hopes of making a larger case against the cartels. ATF was not alone. The U.S. Attorney‟s office appears to have been fully aware and engaged in endorsing the same strategy.

Congress needs to get to the bottom of this.

After close of business last night, I received a one-page response to my letters of February 9 and 16.14 The response asks that I direct to the Inspector General any individuals who believe they have knowledge of misconduct by Department employees. You should know that just after Agent Terry died in December, at least one whistleblower contacted the Office of Inspector General before contacting my office. Despite reporting the allegations multiple times by phone, Internet, and fax, no one contacted the whistleblower until after my staff contacted the Acting Inspector General directly on February 1.

I have received no documents in response to my February 16, 2011, request. Last night‟s DOJ reply cites the Justice Department‟s “longstanding policy regarding pending matters” as a reason for withholding documents “relating to any ongoing investigation.”15 However, as you know, that policy is merely a policy. It is not mandated by any binding legal authority.

There are many instances where the Justice Department and its components choose to provide information about pending investigations to Congress. These examples are not always officially documented, but often occur when there are particularly egregious allegations of government misconduct or there is an extremely high level of public interest in an investigation. Getting to the truth of the ATF whistleblower allegations in this case is extremely important to the family of Brian Terry and should be important to all Americans. There is no reason to wait the unknown number of years it might take for all of the trials and all of the appeals to be exhausted. The time for truth is now.

In addition to providing the documents I previously requested, please explain how the denials in the Justice Department‟s February 4, 2011 letter to me can be squared with the evidence.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Grassley
Ranking Member
Committee on the Judiciary

cc:
The Honorable Patrick Leahy, Chairman, United States Senate Committee on the Judiciary

The Honorable Robert S. Mueller, III, Director, Federal Bureau of Investigation

The Honorable Alan D. Bersin, Commissioner, United States Customs and Border Protection

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 05 2011,11:36 pm
More hits to the worthless JBT club aka batfe.

Senator Richard Burr (R-NC) sent a letter—signed by sixteen additional Senators—to the Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) opposing an enormous power grab by bureaucrats in the Obama administration.

The BATFE filed an “information collection request” with OMB to require federally licensed firearms dealers in the four states bordering Mexico (California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas) to report to the agency sales of two or more semi-automatic rifles to an individual within five business days if the firearms are larger than .22 caliber and can accept a detachable magazine.

BATFE sought approval by January 5, 2011, but that request has been delayed.  Nevertheless, the agency is attempting to take this action without the specific authority to do so, and in fact, is acting contrary to federal law which prohibits the collection of such data.

Furthermore, BATFE—which has a long history of violating gun owners’ rights—is also is bypassing the people’s elected officials in Congress.

The Obama administration and anti-gunners in Congress have for several years been blaming U.S. gun owners and firearms dealers for the violence on the Mexico border.  But America’s Constitution and the Second Amendment are not the cause of Mexico’s violence.

John Cornyn (TX)

Tom Coburn (OK)

Jim DeMint (SC)

Jeff Sessions (AL)

Mike Enzi (WY)

John Thune (SD)

David Vitter (LA)

Mike Crapo (ID)

John Barrasso (WY)

John Ensign (NV)

John Boozman (AR)

Rand Paul (KY)

Jim Inhofe (OK)

James Risch (ID)

Saxby Chambliss (GA)

Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX)

Its time for congress to defund and disband the batfe.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 05 2011,11:45 pm
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ “Project Gunrunner” scandal exploded with yesterday’s follow-up report on the CBS Evening News by Sharyl Atkisson, coincidentally – or perhaps not – on the same day ATF announced a major gun and drug bust in Portland, OR and Southwest Washington.

  The CBS “Gunrunner” story, which focused on the ATF’s Phoenix office’s alleged mishandling of an operation dubbed “Fast and Furious,” and news coverage of the Northwest arrests came just hours after Iowa Sen. Charles Grassley sent a 31-page letter to Attorney General Eric Holder and Kenneth E. Melson, acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, telling them that “Congress needs to get to the bottom of this.”

   Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.—CBS Evening News, Sharyl Atkisson

 

  But how does the above revelation by CBS square with Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich’s Feb. 4 letter to Sen. Grassley, in which Weich insisted that the senator’s assertion “…that ATF ‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchase who then transported them into Mexico—is false?”

  Despite expanded press attention to the controversy, Grassley appears to be alone in his probe of an ATF operation gone horribly wrong. His solo effort prompted one ATF insider to observe “There needs to be five or six (member of Congress) on this.” The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms has renewed its call for public action to pressure Capitol Hill to get involved.

  To date, there has not been any interest shown by either of Washington State’s two anti-gun senators, Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell, or Oregon’s Ron Wyden and Jeff Merkley, even though it appears the ATF allowed hundreds of firearms to enter the black market and travel to Mexico, where they have been reportedly recovered at various crime scenes. Two of those guns showed up at the scene where Border Control agent Brian Terry was killed in December. All four are Democrats who support gun control. Grassley is ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

The Northwest Democrats could be more interested in the local story. ATF agents arrested at least 36 people, confiscated 77 firearms including a machinegun and sawed-off shotgun, and seized a variety of illegal drugs including cocaine, methamphetamine, heroin, psilocybin, Oxycontin, ecstacy and marijuana, according to KATU and KGW in Portland.

The timing on this roundup may please the ATF for reasons other than rounding up bad guys. According to independent blogger Mike Vanderboegh, whose investigative work with my colleague, National Gun Rights Examiner David Codrea, actually dug up the Gunrunner scandal, the Portland arrests are just what ATF is looking for.

  Vanderboegh intercepted a memo from Scot L. Thomasson, ATF public information chief, which encourages local “good news” to offset Gunrunner coverage.

  Holder has asked the Justice Department Inspector General to investigate, which Bellevue’s Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, had demanded several days ago. Likewise, Melson last night called for a review by a “multi-disciplinary panel of law enforcement professionals” following the CBS expose, which interviewed whistleblower ATF Agent John Dodson, who risked his career to come forward.



   (ATF Agent John) Dodson said in an interview that “with the number of guns we let walk, we’ll never know how many people were killed, raped, robbed … there is nothing we can do to round up those guns. They are gone.”—Public Integrity.org



  Sen. Grassley, in an interview with CBS’ Atkisson, asserted that he is being stonewalled.

  One ATF source reacted to that assertion by observing, “Silence is an admission of guilt in the federal government.”

  There is no indication that an investigation or inquiry will lead to what some in ATF believe should be a “house-cleaning” of the Phoenix office as there was in Texas following the 1993 Waco debacle. There certainly appears to be a problem in Phoenix that may, at the very least, require an attitude adjustment.

  An e-mail sent to field agents nearly one year ago by David J. Voth, group supervisor of Phoenix Group VII, criticized the expressions of concern about “Fast and Furious” from his agents. He contended that the ATF operation should be “fun.” That e-mail was one of the attachments to the letter Sen. Grassley sent yesterday to Holder, excerpted here:

   I don’t know what all the issues are but we are all adults, we are all professionals, and we have a (sic) exciting opportunity to use the biggest tool in our law enforcement tool box. If you don’t think this is fun you’re in the wrong line of work – period! This is the pinnacle of domestic

   U.S. law enforcement techniques. After this the tool bag is empty. Maybe the Maricopa County Jail is hiring detention officers and you can get paid $30,000 (instead of $100,000) to serve lunch to inmates all day…We need to get over this bump in the road once and for all and get on with the mission at hand. This can be the most fun you have with ATF, the only one limiting the amount of fun we have is you!—e-mail from David J. Voth, group supervisor, Phoenix Group VII

  The “Fast and Furious” controversy is not, said the source, connected with the arrest of three Dallas, TX-area men this week in connection with the slaying of another federal agent, Jaime Zapata, last month in northern Mexico.

That case, said the ATF source, demonstrates the difference between ATF operations in Texas and Phoenix. In Texas, the suspects were stopped in November with 40 unmarked guns near the border crossing in Laredo and their guns were confiscated.

   The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the operation, said that 1,765 guns were sold to suspected smugglers during a 15-month period of the investigation. Of those, 797 were recovered on both sides of the border, including 195 in Mexico after they were used in crimes, collected during arrests or intercepted through other law enforcement operations.—Los Angeles Times



  The source could not understand why the U.S. Attorney’s office in Dallas did not charge the men at the time. Instead, all three were arrested on Monday after a gun recovered at the Zapata crime scene was traced back to one of them from a transaction last Oct. 10 in Forth Worth.

  The Portland operation also looks like ATF worked things correctly. Instead of allowing guns to “walk,” agents moved in and bagged the bad guys, their illicit guns and their drugs. More than 60 indictments were handed down by the U.S. Attorney in Portland.

  More than 30 people were arrested in Arizona in January and charged in sweeping indictments with gun running and other offenses. However, those arrests came far too late for Agent Terry, and for countless other victims of Mexican drug cartel violence, it appears.

Posted by grassman on Mar. 06 2011,7:45 am
Sounds like a Mafia bunch to me. Also being paid $100,000 a year salary!? Could fix a few roads with that. Maybe pay a few teachers. Our govt is so self serving. Way to many separate entities. It all becomes keeping their branch alive at all costs.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 08 2011,10:18 am
(CBS News)

WASHINGTON - Federal agent John Dodson says what he was asked to do was beyond belief.

He was intentionally letting guns go to Mexico?

"Yes ma'am," Dodson told CBS News. "The agency was."

An Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms senior agent assigned to the Phoenix office in 2010, Dodson's job is to stop gun trafficking across the border. Instead, he says he was ordered to sit by and watch it happen.

Investigators call the tactic letting guns "walk." In this case, walking into the hands of criminals who would use them in Mexico and the United States.
Dodson's bosses say that never happened. Now, he's risking his job to go public.

"I'm boots on the ground in Phoenix, telling you we've been doing it every day since I've been here," he said. "Here I am. Tell me I didn't do the things that I did. Tell me you didn't order me to do the things I did. Tell me it didn't happen. Now you have a name on it. You have a face to put with it. Here I am. Someone now, tell me it didn't happen."

Agent Dodson and other sources say the gun walking strategy was approved all the way up to the Justice Department. The idea was to see where the guns ended up, build a big case and take down a cartel. And it was all kept secret from Mexico.

ATF named the case "Fast and Furious."

Surveillance video obtained by CBS News shows suspected drug cartel suppliers carrying boxes of weapons to their cars at a Phoenix gun shop. The long boxes shown in the video being loaded in were AK-47-type assault rifles.

So it turns out ATF not only allowed it - they videotaped it.

Documents show the inevitable result: The guns that ATF let go began showing up at crime scenes in Mexico. And as ATF stood by watching thousands of weapons hit the streets... the Fast and Furious group supervisor noted the escalating Mexican violence.

One e-mail noted, "958 killed in March 2010 ... most violent month since 2005." The same e-mail notes: "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during March alone," including "numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles."

Dodson feels that ATF was partly to blame for the escalating violence in Mexico and on the border. "I even asked them if they could see the correlation between the two," he said. "The more our guys buy, the more violence we're having down there."

Senior agents including Dodson told CBS News they confronted their supervisors over and over.

Their answer, according to Dodson, was, "If you're going to make an omelette, you've got to break some eggs."

There was so much opposition to the gun walking, that an ATF supervisor issued an e-mail noting a "schism" among the agents. "Whether you care or not people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention to this case...we are doing what they envisioned... If you don't think this is fun you're in the wrong line of work... Maybe the Maricopa County jail is hiring detention officers and you can get $30,000 ... to serve lunch to inmates..."

"We just knew it wasn't going to end well. There's just no way it could," Dodson said.


On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was gunned down. Dodson got the bad news from a colleague.

According to Dodson, "They said, 'Did you hear about the border patrol agent?' And I said, 'Yeah.' And they said 'Well it was one of the Fast and Furious guns.' There's not really much you can say after that."

Two assault rifles ATF had let go nearly a year before were found at Terry's murder.

Dodson said, "I felt guilty. I mean it's crushing. I don't know how to explain it."

Sen. Grassley began investigating after his office spoke to Dodson and a dozen other ATF sources -- all telling the same story.
The response was "practically zilch," Grassley said. "From the standpoint that documents we want - we have not gotten them. I think it's a case of stonewalling."

Dodson said he hopes that speaking out helps Terry's family. They haven't been told much of anything about his murder - or where the bullet came from.

"First of all, I'd tell them that I'm sorry. Second of all, I'd tell them I've done everything that I can for them to get the truth," Dodson said. "After this, I don't know what else I can do. But I hope they get it."

Dodson said they never did take down a drug cartels. However, he said thousands of Fast and Furious weapons are still out there and will be claiming victims on both sides of the border for years to come.

Late tonight, the ATF said it will convene a panel to look into its national firearms trafficking strategy. But it refused to comment specifically on Sharyl's report.

Statement from Kenneth E. Melson, Acting Director, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:

"The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) will ask a multi-disciplinary panel of law enforcement professionals to review the bureau's current firearms trafficking strategies employed by field division managers and special agents. This review will enable ATF to maximize its effectiveness when undertaking complex firearms trafficking investigations and prosecutions. It will support the goals of ATF to stem the illegal flow of firearms to Mexico and combat firearms trafficking in the United States."

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 08 2011,10:21 am
ATF memo after CBS report: "We need positive press"
Courtesy of CBS News:
March 4, 2011 10:31 AM

CBS News investigates "gun walking" allegations -- that ATF let thousands assault rifles and other weapons get into the hands of criminal suspects -- ATF bosses have remained largely silent. We've had ongoing requests for information and on camera interviews with both ATF and the Department of Justice since prior to our first report which aired Feb. 22.

A similar lack of response has been reported by Senator Charles Grassley, who has asked for documents and briefings from ATF. Now, we learn that after our Feb. 22 report, ATF's Chief Public Affairs officer sent an all-call internal memo to ATF Public Information Officers in an effort to "lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF."

The memo asks ATF PIO's to "Please make every effort in the next two weeks to maximize coverage of ATF operations/enforcement actions/arrests at the local and regional level" in hopes it would drown out the "negative coverage by CBS News."

At the time, the memo noted "Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled."

However, last night, CBS News continued reporting on this issue and will be staying on the story.

Read the full ATF internal memo below:

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Public Information Officers:

Please make every effort for the next two weeks to maximize coverage of ATF operations/enforcement actions/arrests at the local and regional level. Given the negative coverage by CBS Evening News last week and upcoming events this week, the bureau should look for every opportunity to push coverage of good stories. Fortunately, the CBS story has not sparked any follow up coverage by mainstream media and seems to have fizzled.

It was shoddy reporting , as CBS failed to air on-the-record interviews by former ATF officials and HQ statements for attribution that expressed opposing views and explained the law and difficulties of firearm trafficking investigations. The CBS producer for the story made only a feigned effort at the 11th hour to reach ATF HQ for comment.

This week (To 3/1/2011), Attorney General Holder testifies on the Hill and likely will get questions about the allegations in the story. Also (The 3/3/2011), Mexico President Calderon will visit the White House and likely will testify on the Hill. He will probably draw attention to the lack of political support for demand letter 3 and Project Gunrunner.

ATF needs to proactively push positive stories this week, in an effort to preempt some negative reporting, or at minimum, lessen the coverage of such stories in the news cycle by replacing them with good stories about ATF. The more time we spend highlighting the great work of the agents through press releases and various media outreaches in the coming days and weeks, the better off we will be.

Thanks for your cooperation in this matter. If you have any significant operations that should get national media coverage, please reach out to the Public Affairs Division for support, coordination and clearance.

Thank you,

Scot L. Thomasson
Chief ATF Public Affairs Division, Washington, DC

Desk 202-648-XXXX
Cell 206-XXX-XXXX

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 08 2011,10:30 am
The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

-- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

-- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

-- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

-- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:

It's just not true.

In fact, it's not even close. The fact is, only 17 percent of guns found at Mexican crime scenes have been traced to the U.S.

What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

A Look at the Numbers

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

-- The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.

-- Russian crime organizations. Interpol says Russian Mafia groups such as Poldolskaya and Moscow-based Solntsevskaya are actively trafficking drugs and arms in Mexico.

- South America. During the late 1990s, the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) established a clandestine arms smuggling and drug trafficking partnership with the Tijuana cartel, according to the Federal Research Division report from the Library of Congress.

-- Asia. According to a 2006 Amnesty International Report, China has provided arms to countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America. Chinese assault weapons and Korean explosives have been recovered in Mexico.

-- The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.

-- Guatemala. U.S. intelligence agencies say traffickers move immigrants, stolen cars, guns and drugs, including most of America's cocaine, along the porous Mexican-Guatemalan border. On March 27, La Hora, a Guatemalan newspaper, reported that police seized 500 grenades and a load of AK-47s on the border. Police say the cache was transported by a Mexican drug cartel operating out of Ixcan, a border town.

'These Don't Come From El Paso'

Ed Head, a firearms instructor in Arizona who spent 24 years with the U.S. Border Patrol, recently displayed an array of weapons considered "assault rifles" that are similar to those recovered in Mexico, but are unavailable for sale in the U.S.

"These kinds of guns -- the auto versions of these guns -- they are not coming from El Paso," he said. "They are coming from other sources. They are brought in from Guatemala. They are brought in from places like China. They are being diverted from the military. But you don't get these guns from the U.S."

Some guns, he said, "are legitimately shipped to the government of Mexico, by Colt, for example, in the United States. They are approved by the U.S. government for use by the Mexican military service. The guns end up in Mexico that way -- the fully auto versions -- they are not smuggled in across the river."

Many of the fully automatic weapons that have been seized in Mexico cannot be found in the U.S., but they are not uncommon in the Third World.

The Mexican government said it has seized 2,239 grenades in the last two years -- but those grenades and the rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) are unavailable in U.S. gun shops. The ones used in an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Monterrey in October and a TV station in January were made in South Korea. Almost 70 similar grenades were seized in February in the bottom of a truck entering Mexico from Guatemala.

"Most of these weapons are being smuggled from Central American countries or by sea, eluding U.S. and Mexican monitors who are focused on the smuggling of semi-automatic and conventional weapons purchased from dealers in the U.S. border states of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California," according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.

Boatloads of Weapons

So why would the Mexican drug cartels, which last year grossed between $17 billion and $38 billion, bother buying single-shot rifles, and force thousands of unknown "straw" buyers in the U.S. through a government background check, when they can buy boatloads of fully automatic M-16s and assault rifles from China, Israel or South Africa?

Alberto Islas, a security consultant who advises the Mexican government, says the drug cartels are using the Guatemalan border to move black market weapons. Some are left over from the Central American wars the United States helped fight; others, like the grenades and launchers, are South Korean, Israeli and Spanish. Some were legally supplied to the Mexican government; others were sold by corrupt military officers or officials.

The exaggeration of United States "responsibility" for the lawlessness in Mexico extends even beyond the "90-percent" falsehood -- and some Second Amendment activists believe it's designed to promote more restrictive gun-control laws in the U.S.

In a remarkable claim, Auturo Sarukhan, the Mexican ambassador to the U.S., said Mexico seizes 2,000 guns a day from the United States -- 730,000 a year. That's a far cry from the official statistic from the Mexican attorney general's office, which says Mexico seized 29,000 weapons in all of 2007 and 2008.

Chris Cox, spokesman for the National Rifle Association, blames the media and anti-gun politicians in the U.S. for misrepresenting where Mexican weapons come from.

"Reporter after politician after news anchor just disregards the truth on this," Cox said. "The numbers are intentionally used to weaken the Second Amendment."

"The predominant source of guns in Mexico is Central and South America. You also have Russian, Chinese and Israeli guns. It's estimated that over 100,000 soldiers deserted the army to work for the drug cartels, and that ignores all the police. How many of them took their weapons with them?"

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 05 2011,9:17 am
‘IF HOLDER IS SO IGNORANT ABOUT GUNRUNNER SCANDAL, HE SHOULD RESIGN’

BELLEVUE, WA – Following a second day of Capitol Hill hearings in which he professed little or no knowledge about the controversial Project Gunrunner, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today called for the resignation of Attorney General Eric Holder.

“For the second day in a row, Attorney General Holder has stated on the record that he didn’t know about one of the most egregious government scandals in memory,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “This country cannot afford the luxury of having its top law enforcement officer confess ignorance of an operation that may have allowed thousands of guns to be illegally exported to Mexico. This operation happened on his watch, and apparently right under his nose, and apparently cost the life of at least one law enforcement officer.”

Gottlieb called it an “outrage” that Holder has been unable to answer critical questions about the bungled operation, conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. ATF whistleblowers have told Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) that Project Gunrunner, and its off-shoot, Operation Fast and Furious, apparently funneled nearly 2,000 guns into the illicit gun trafficking pipeline to Mexican drug cartels.

“It is simply unbelievable that the attorney general can act as though he never heard of an operation that has been exposed on national television by CBS News,” Gottlieb stated. “How could he not know, almost six months after the slaying of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, that guns recovered at the scene are linked directly to the Gunrunner sting?

“Holder is either monumentally stupid,” he added, “or he is telling a monumental lie. Either way, it is obvious that Holder is either hiding something or he is hiding from something. For the attorney general to not know about Gunrunner and its direct link to the Terry slaying is a sign of gross incompetence.

“It’s time for Eric Holder to go home and write his memoirs,” Gottlieb said.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 05 2011,9:23 am
foxnews.com reports that Senator Grassley has uncovered a smoking gun in the ongoing investigation into the brain-dead initiatives known as Project Gunrunner and Operation Fast and Furious. “An internal memo from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives shows that U.S. officials allowed criminals to buy 1,318 guns worth nearly $1 million, even after they knew that the buyers were working for Mexican drug cartels, and that the agency’s effort to stop the guns had ‘yielded little or no results.’” < click here for memo >Note: that’s the number of guns allowed to flow down the so-called “Iron River” after the ATF IDed the so-called straw purchasers—and did bugger all to stop them. In total, 15 suspects purchased 1725 firearms. Now don’t get me wrong . . .

That’s not a hell of a lot of firearms. The Mexican drug cartels have tens of thousands of weapons, including some extremely serious crap (to use the technical term). They have fully automatic machine guns, grenade launchers and grenades. Although the ATF-enabled firearms include a Barrett 50-cal or ten, the walked guns are a drop in the ballistic ocean.

It’s also true that the drug cartels are not relying on Bob’s Gun Stores to git ‘er done. “‘Er” in this case meaning murder, mayhem, the complete subversion of the democratic process, terror, drug pushing and more murder and mayhem. The vast majority of weapons in the drug lords’ arsenals come from military “seepage” and South American bad guys (a.k.a,, good guys, at least when the sales are made).

That said, it’s extremely doubtful that this is a full accounting of all the firearms that the ATF knew about or could have known about or should have known about or should have prevented from leaving American gun dealers—if the ATF had been doing what it is paid to do.

And it is absurd to the point of Senatorial apoplexy that the U.S. government would add even a single gun to the narco-terrorists’ supply. The idea that the federal agency in charge of preventing illegal firearms sales and gun smuggling allowed illegal firearms sales and gun smuggling to secure funds to stop illegal firearms sales and smuggling is quite literally nuts. And yet this the ATF did, with the full knowledge of one Eric Holder, Attorney General of the United States.

Holder is busy trying to evade responsibility for this fiasco, a DOJ-approved program that armed drug thugs who murdered not one but two federal law enforcement agents, killed by bullets fired from ATF-enabled firearms. It doesn’t look like that’s going to happen. Grassley’s investigators have tightened the metaphorical noose around Holder’s neck, but good. As have Representative Issa. Here’s what Issa’s staff have unearthed so far:

   – U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona Dennis Burke was in full agreement with the investigative strategy of allowing the transfer of firearms from gun stores to straw buyers.

   – Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer knew about and even approved a wiretap application for suspects targeted in Operation Fast and Furious over a year ago. Issa on Wednesday released documents from Assistant Attorney General Breuer, head of the Criminal Division and a former White House counsel to President Bill Clinton that show he approved Operation Fast and Furious wiretaps.
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   A second document shows that Burke supported the strategy “to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place … in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators who would continue to operate and illegally traffic firearms to Mexican [Drug Trafficking Organizations].”

This is also bad news for the current head of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), Janet Napolitano. Mr. Burke worked with Ms. Napolitano when she was Arizona’s Attorney General. When Napolitano became Governor, Burke was her Chief of Staff. It seems entirely reasonable to believe that whatever Burke knew about the ATF’s gun enablement, Napolitano knew it too. When he knew it.

So Holder and Napolitano are now fighting to remain in power, at least until Barack Obama gets a second term in office (God forbid). At which point, Obama will drop the cabinet-level appointees like a drug peddler dumping a bag of meths during a drug raid. Is it possible we’re looking at a strange echo of Watergate (as Brad Kozak suggested) whereby a scandal simmers through a presidential election, until the Commander-in-Chief is cornered, vilified and, yes. forced from office?

It doesn’t really matter. While focusing on the political soap opera is the natural human tendency, there are far more important issue at stake than whether or not President Obama has surrounded himself with incompetent lying bastards. More specifically, the size and structure of the U.S. federal government. Even more to the point, whether or not the ATF itself will take one to the back of the head.

This is, after all, the ATF Death Watch, not the Obama Administration Death Watch. For the former to occur, the Agency must be discredited along with the players who made a mockery of any legitimate effort to prevent illegal firearms sales. Not that I think the ATF is capable of such a thing. As I’ve said before, as far as I can tell, the ATF’s “successes” rely exclusively on entrapment. But no one is making that point, present company excluded.

For the ATF to disappear down an FBI or IRS-shaped rathole, as it should, two things must happen simultaneously. First, the public must become aware of, and dissatisfied with, the corruption that typifies their work. The botched massacre at Waco was the wake-up call. Gunwalker is—or could be—the breakfast of former champions. In that sense, the theater surrounding “nailing” the Obama administration pencil pushers responsible is a good thing, not a bad thing.

At the same time, a Republican president must take office. One who campaigns on a platform pledging to eliminate entire federal departments. And then does it. Including the ATF. That, my friends, would require a serious popular backlash against Uncle Sam’s profligate ways and some serious stones from the candidate him or herself. And/or a financial meltdown the likes of which we’ve already seen. Or the continuation of same. Or, gulp, something worse.

The first part of this process is unfolding in front of our eyes. The $1.5 billion per year ATF is busy making a case for its own demotion and dissolution. You could even say they’ve already made that bed. All they need is someone to force them to lie in it. And that’s happening right now. The second part, well, a week is a long time in politics. There are a whole bunch of them before we see which Republican gets the nod, and whether he or she is man/woman enough to off the ATF.

At the moment, I wouldn’t bet on it. But just as the Ghostbusters never crossed their proton streams, until they did, no President or Congress has ever killed a fully-fledged federal agency. Until they do. And if they do, the ATF is surely smack dab in the middle of those cross-hairs.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on May 05 2011,9:28 am
CBS discovers Grassley's postscript to Holder letter & provides us all with a big belly laugh. Melson & Breuer to take short walk in Ft. Marcy Park?

A strongly-worded letter from Republican oversight members of Congress to Attorney General Eric Holder today came with an unusual handwritten notation at the bottom. Penned in blue ink by his signature, Sen. Charles Grassley's (R-Iowa) writes: "PS: You should check to see if you are getting accurate information from your staff. You might be ill-served."

The letter to Holder from Grassley and Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) accuses Holder's Justice Department of sending a letter "containing false statements" regarding the initial inquiries into ATF's gunwalker scandal.

"You may be ill-served" What a hoot! This is Grassley's tongue-in-cheek invitation to throw Melson and Breuer under the bus, and that's when the serious truth leakage begins because they'll use the Nuremberg defense, "I was only following orders." And they will have proof of it.

Grassley, knowing everything that he knows from the whistleblowers and leaked documents, has a very good idea of how involved Holder is in all of this -- up to his eyeballs. Worse, Holder knows that he knows. I'd be surprised that if, when he saw the postscript, Holder didn't ball the letter up and throw it across the room with a string of curses.

The only thing that can possibly, maybe, save Holder now is for the Gunwalker men, Melson and Breuer, to go happily skipping hand-in-hand like little kids down the path in Fort Marcy Park to their own perdition, following the Sicilian prescript that "Three men can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

Holder is toast and this is Grassley's way of reminding him of it. What he is really saying is, "Sooner or later we will have your subordinates under oath. Got a fall-back plan for THAT?"

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,3:16 pm
Now it seems the POS ATF  Tampa SAC walked guns to Honduras and head ATF superiors have also retaliated against an agent for speaking out and set fire to his house and it also seems the DEA and FBI are also culpable in this fiasco.

Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives  Tampa Field Division, ran a gun-running investigation that was walking guns to Honduras using the techniques and tactics identical to Fast and Furious, it was reported to these correspondents this evening via private correspondence from a proven credible source.

On 21 September, 2010, A. Brian Albritton, United States Attorney for the Middle District of Florida issued a press release on Operation Castaway:

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   United States Attorney A. Brian Albritton, Virginia O’Brien, Special Agent in Charge of central and northern Florida Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) operations, and Susan McCormick, Special Agent in Charge, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations, Tampa Field Office announce the initial results of Operation Castaway, an intensive and wideranging Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking investigation conducted by ATF, ICE, the Orange County Sheriff’s Office, the Osceola County Sheriff’s Office, the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office, and the Miami-Dade Police Department. ATF describes Operation Castaway as the most significant firearms trafficking investigation in Central Florida history.

   According to court documents, a group of defendants connected to Hugh Crumpler, III, were involved in a major international gun trafficking operation. . . . Firearms like those involved in this investigation are often smuggled through Honduras and other Central and South American countries before being used in violent crimes in Mexico and other countries in the region. A number of the firearms trafficked by the defendants in Operation Castaway have been linked to violent crimes around the world.


The press release concluded, "This case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys J. Bishop Ravenel and E. Jackson Boggs. Operation Castaway remains an ongoing investigation."

SAC O’Brien was previously the Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, was later promoted to the Deputy Assistant Director of ATF, but then stepped down to the position in Tampa.  Whether the allegations of our source refer to the ongoing Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious.  That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain.
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"This is confirmed as accurate," the correspondence continued. "There are emails in existence where O’Brien has advised those involved that Tampa does not have to report their walked guns because Tampa FD is not a part of Southwest Border or Project Gunrunner."

"From a first person source she is sh*tting herself trying to cover it up," the report stated.

No one from ATF is available at this late hour to approach for comment.  This information has also reportedly been disclosed to Chairman Darrell Issa of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Ranking Senate Judiciary Committee Member Charles Grassley for follow-up and investigation.

Rep. Allen West has called for a special prosecutor and for the removal of Eric Holder over the Project Gunwalker scandal, “or else it appears President Obama is complicit and in approval of the actions of his attorney general."


Now on to the arson by the ATF

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Jay Dobyns began receiving death and violence threats in 2004 following his infiltration of the Hells Angels. That violence included verified murder contracts against him, credible threats to locate and torture his then 15-year-old daughter, threats to inject him with the AIDS virus to disguise the means murder, and genuine threats to kidnap his wife and videotape the Hells Angels gang raping her.ATF did nothing.

As a direct result, Jay filed a complaint against ATF for their mismanagement of the threats and settled it in 2007. In that formal settlement, ATF explicitly committed to doing whatever was necessary to prevent these outrageous threats against a badged federal agent and his family from ever occurring again.

Then, in August of 2007, Jay’s home was burned to the ground while his family slept inside. ATF determined that the fire was arson, but did nothing more. Not only did they make no attempt to locate the criminals, but even actively turned their backs on obvious opportunities to do so. Then, they even started a whisper campaign implying that Jay himself was responsible for the fire, even though it was immediately established that he was over 100 miles away conducting official ATF business. There is essentially no limit to how far these uncommon criminals will go to ruin anyone that stands up to their incompetence and corruption.

As a direct result of ATF’s refusal to honor their lawful obligations, Jay filed a civil lawsuit against ATF for breach of the 2007 settlement agreement. The Department of Justice, headed by Eric Holder and attorney Kent Kiffner, and with the direct co-conspiratorial assistance of ATF’s infamous Attorneys, Eleaner Loos, Rachael Bouman and Valerie Bacon, fought tooth and nail to have Jay’s lawsuit dismissed from Federal court.

Despite ATF’s best efforts to have Jay’s case thrown out, in 2010, United States District Court of Claims Judge, Hon. Francis Allegra, accepted Jay’s lawsuit, citing that clear grounds were displayed in his compliant to prove negligence, breach of contract, retaliation and reprisal by ATF.

Two weeks after acceptance of the Dobyn’s lawsuit, DOJ (again Holder, Kiffner, Loos, Bouman and Bacon) filed a countersuit against Jay, seeking one-half-million dollars in alleged “damages” to the DOJ, based on Jay’s New York Times Best Selling book, “No Angel”.

Here’s the kicker: The DOJ/ATF countersuit was filed three full years after ATF became aware of Jay’s book. Moreover, the completely bogus and frivolous lawsuit deliberately (and illegally) skipped over every relevant DOJ, ATF and OPM policy, law and regulation pertaining to mandatory procedures for the imposition of internal discipline. You see, according to ATF, Dobyns, who was and remains an ATF employee, apparently did something so seriously wrong as to deserve a million-dollar federal lawsuit, using the full weight and power of the United States government. However, these supposedly heinous acts by Jay did not merit even the most trivial form of disciplinary action! Not so much as a verbal admonishment, let alone suspension or termination! Get the picture?

This established a precedent that enabled Jay to expose the story publicly without violating other terms of the settlement agreement whereby ATF specifically authorized him to write “No Angel”. In short, ATF’s countersuit had absolutely zero merit and was filed solely for the purpose of ruining Jay financially. And this utterly illegal and despicable stratagem was wholeheartedly approved and supported by none other than current ATF Acting Director Ken Melson.

This is what lawyers call “malice aforethought” and “malicious prosecution”. It was perpetrated upon Jay with precisely the same motivations that led to their recently proposed termination of Jay’s friend and partner, Vince Cefalu. It was solely designed to “chill” anyone ever from so much as thinking of speaking out against ATF, to retaliate against Jay for his prior whistle-blowing, and in direct and illegal reprisal for his refusing to “sit down, shut up and go away”.

The chain of command during the first series of threats against Jay, during the arson of his home, and during Project “Gunrunner” and Operation “Fast and Furious” – you guessed it – Michael Sullivan, Ronnie Carter, Ken Melson, Billy Hoover, Bill McMahon, Bill Newell, George Gillett.

Coincidence? Right.


And this is how our so called federal agencies are being run, how nice my taxes are wasted on this.  Time to end the ATF maybe the DEA as well.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,4:32 pm
The Justice Department is obstructing the congressional investigation of a U.S. law enforcement operation intended to crack down on major weapons traffickers on the Southwest border, according to the embattled leader of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Ken Melson, the acting director of the ATF, lobbed the accusation when he sneaked in for an interview with congressional investigators on July 4, two days ahead of his scheduled interview with the inspector general about the operation known as "Fast and Furious," Fox News has learned.

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FILE: Soldiers stand guard near seized weapons during a news conference at the Defense Headquarters in Mexico City.

"If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand," Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said in a letter Tuesday to Attorney General Eric Holder. "That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation."

The Justice Department is reportedly looking to oust Melson, who has been acting ATF director since April 2009, as the agency deals with its biggest scandal in nearly two decades. Andrew Traver, who was tapped in November by President Obama to become the permanent ATF director, could be named as acting director until the Senate acts on his nomination, sources have said.

In a separate development, congressional sources have learned that not only was U.S. taxpayer money being used to buy guns that were later sent to Mexico, but the main target of the investigation was actually a FBI informant and former drug dealer who had been deported years ago.

"Fast and Furious" has been at the center of an investigation by Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. The operation began in the fall of 2009 as an effort to trace and stop the trafficking of illegal guns on the Southwest border, but instead allowed thousands of guns to get into the hands of Mexican cartel members.

The two say they learned about the program after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010. At the crime scene were two guns linked to the "Fast and Furious" operation.

At an Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing last month, three federal firearms investigators testified that they wanted to "intervene and interdict" loads of guns, but were repeatedly ordered to step aside to allow suspected smugglers to carry the weapons over the border.

Issa and Grassley have urged Holder to cooperate and turn over subpoenaed records that would reveal the scope of the government coverup.

The alleged coverup involves three law enforcement agencies: the ATF, FBI and the DEA, or Drug Enforcement Administration.

According to sources, unbeknown to the ATF, the target of their operation was a FBI confidential informant, a fact that only became known to them in April of this year after an 18-month investigation that cost millions of dollars of tax dollars.

"They were going after someone they could never have," a source in Washington told Fox News. "The Mr. Big they wanted was using government money to buy guns that went to the cartels. The FBI knew it and didn't tell them."

The confidential informant is a former high-level drug dealer who had been deported by the DEA. The FBI, however, recruited him as a counter-terrorism informant, providing information on potential dirty bombs or Al Qaeda suspects moving through the border region.

The FBI informant was picked up on a DEA wiretap, and forwarded to the ATF.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,4:35 pm
Your Tax Dollars were Used to Purchase Guns and Run Them into Mexico

Well, the other shoe has dropped. We’ve known for several months that the Obama Administration was turning a blind eye to -- and even encouraged -- suspected gun smugglers who were purchasing firearms from gun stores in the southwest.

But now we know the rest of the story: Your tax money was used to buy many of those guns that were later sent to Mexico.

That’s what Fox News has been reporting this week, as it remains the one large news agency that has continued to cover the growing Fast and Furious scandal that was being run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive (ATF).

Fast and Furious was a program that was born in 2009, allegedly to help track gun smugglers back to the Mexican drug cartels. But the reality is that few, if any, of these top-level leaders have been busted, while the smuggled guns have been funneled into the hands of drug gangs all along the border, resulting in hundreds of deaths (and the murders of two U.S. law-enforcement agents).

And, not only were your hard-earned dollars being used to purchase these guns, the main person being investigated for gun smuggling “was actually an FBI informant and former drug dealer who had been deported years ago,” Fox News reported.

According to sources inside the Justice Department, the ATF spent millions of dollars tracking a chief gun smuggler -- known as “Mr. Big” -- before discovering that he was in fact on the feds’ payroll (funded, again, by your tax dollars).

But why? That’s the recurring question. Why would the Obama Administration -- that is filled with anti-gun cronies -- knowingly approve the sales of firearms to bad guys? Why would they knowingly put thousands of guns “into the wrong hands,” when they’ve spent years advocating gun control laws to supposedly get guns “out of the wrong hands.”

Given that the ATF refused to work with Mexican authorities (when it came to tracking these guns) and frequently lost track of the firearms after they moved south of the border, it does not seem that bringing down drug kingpins was the real goal of Fast and Furious.

The better explanation is that the Obama Administration was using the influx of guns into Mexico -- and the resulting violence -- to clamor for increased gun controls here at home.

As stated by an Examiner.com article this April, “The Obama Administration, according to ATF agents who blew the whistle on the illegal plot, intended to use statistics concerning U.S. guns in Mexico to call for more stringent gun control.”

That is outrageous, and it means that the top cop at the Justice Department, Attorney General Eric Holder, needs to go. Fast and Furious occurred under his watch. And we know that information about departmental corruption went right up to his office suite. Holder was either deeply involved or grossly negligent about this horrendous scandal that has left hundreds of people dead. Holder must resign.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,5:52 pm
Honduras? Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras? 1. The national scope of the Gunwalker Scandal & 2. Because that's where some of the action is.

"It's just another little garden-variety act of war between hemispheric friends. What's the big deal?"


"Why would ATF walk guns to Honduras?" asks a reader. That's easy.

First, and this is important to understand: the Tampa operation proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that "Project Gunwalker" was a national strategy, not a Phoenix aberration. The "major media" has been slow to understand this. They have ignored the fact that the Houston Field Division had to have played a supervisory role in known straw buying incidents in Dallas and Columbus NM as they are in their area of operations, not Phoenix's. Original reporting on this subject from Texas has been pitiful.

Second, Honduras is where the action is.

As Borderland Beat reported back in November of last year, Honduras: Mexican Cartels Work Closely with Street Gangs.

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Attorney General Roy David Urtecho says that street gangs in his country are seeking to establish direct business contacts with Colombian and Mexican cartels and they have also tried to take over all drug smuggling operations in the Central American nation of Honduras.

The gangs known as MS-13 and M-18, have recruited over 70,00 youths who have traditionally been the lookouts and sicarios for the capos, but they are now making an effort to take formal control of the drug trade within their own country.

Commenting at an international forum on law enforcement, Urtecho says that the Sinaloa cartel is one of the main groups that maintain a heavy presence in the area, and states that his country is an imprtant gateway for Colombian drugs to enter Mexico and the United States. He went further to say that Joaquín El Chapo Guzmán has stayed in Honduras at various times and continues to do so to this very day.


Writing at Insight on 14 April, Patrick Cocoran has more: Mexican Cartels Expand into Honduras

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Honduran officials report that Mexican drug traffickers are expanding their activities in the country and forming links with local bosses in four different provinces, fuelling concerns that organized crime is overwhelming the region.

According to Prensa Latina, Security Minister Oscar Alvarez said that the Sinaloa Cartel and the Zetas have been detected in Ocotepeque, Copan, Colon and Atlantida. The four northern states form much of the Atlantic coastline in Honduras, as well as a large chunk of the border with Guatemala. The Mexicans, Alvarez said, move freely throughout these regions, but rather than seeking to take over areas, the foreign gangs are working through already existing networks of local bosses to increase their presence and expand their operations.

This comes weeks after the discovery of a cocaine-processing lab, which are typically found in the Andean producer nations. This is the first such finding in Central America, and suggests a threat that is mutating. Currently, an estimated 400 tons of cocaine pass through the region on an annual basis, but Central America has not historically been a cocaine-processing region. Alvarez says that the goal for Honduras is to prevent Mexican gangs from laying down enduring roots in the country.

Authorities say that the Honduran cocaine lab was operated by the Sinaloa cartel. Arms stores belonging to the same group have also been captured in Honduras. The shift of cocaine processing from the Colombia, Peru and other Andean nations to Central America could fundamentally shift the economics of the cocaine supply chain. Rather than the South Americans controlling two vital steps in the process—i.e. the collection of the coca base and its processing in laboratories to produce crystallized cocaine—the Colombians would be left just supplying the base. This, in turn, would allow the Mexicans to derive significantly more profit, because instead of buying kilos of cocaine for up to $3,000, they can pay just $1,000 for the base and process it themselves, before selling it in U.S. for up to thirty times that amount.·

Furthermore, this would shorten the distance that the cocaine needs to travel, which would both lower the transportation costs and decrease the chance of seizure. As a major center of operations, Central America is all the more appealing because the weaker law-enforcement agencies mean that there is less chance that expensive cocaine will be seized, which further reinforces the profitability of a northward shift.·

The threat from organized crime to Central America is arguably more serious than in any other region of the Western Hemisphere. The isthmus has been a vital trafficking route ever since the restriction of the Caribbean route connecting the Colombian jungles to the retail markets in Miami and the rest of the United States. However,·the past decade has brought about a particular significant deterioration of security in Central America, with murder rates in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador among the highest in the world.

The incursion of Mexican drug traffickers has been most widely reported in Guatemala, as the Guatemalan government has struggled to prevent the incursion of the Zetas into states like Alta Verapaz and Peten. (Of course, there have also been reports that, far from combating them, elements of the Guatemalan governments are actually selling arms to groups linked to the Zetas.) Street gangs in Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador like MS-13 and M-18 have also forged stronger links with the Mexican gangs.


Geoffrey Ramsey, also writing in Insight on 25 April notes "Cable: Honduran Military Supplied Weaponry to Cartels."

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   As Mexican cartels infiltrate Central America, corrupt elements within the region’s militaries from places like Honduras are providing them with arms far superior to those of local police. But the question remains: Just how many of the weapons used by Mexican cartels come from military stockpiles in Central America versus civilian gun stores in the United States?

   The question is central. The source of the guns fueling a war that has left over 36,000 dead in Mexico since December 2006, has governments and advocate groups on both sides of the border pointing fingers. Mexico is reportedly considering suing U.S. gunmakers, reports CBS News.

   But gun stores along the U.S. border states are only one source of weaponry used in Mexico. As InSight has reported, Guatemala's military stockpiles have been filtered illegally to the Zetas criminal gang. On top of this, according to a 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable first obtained by WikiLeaks and recently released by McClatchy, the Honduran military has “lost” several U.S.-supplied military weapons in recent years.

   The cable, avaliable below, cites a Defense Intelligence Agency report entitled “Honduras: Military Weapons Fuel Black Arms Market,” which noted that the serial numbers on light anti-tank weapons recovered in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico and San Andres Island, Colombia, matched the numbers on guns that had previously been sold to Honduras. In addition to the guns, U.S. authorities seized a number of M433 grenades from criminal groups in Mexico, which were also traced back to the Honduran army.

   Such revelations, when paired with recent allegations of high-level government links to drug trafficking in Honduras, present a dim forecast for anti-arms trafficking efforts in Central America. They also add fuel to an already heated debate over the cartels' main source of arms. While testifying to the U.S. Senate on March 30, General Douglas Fraser, the head of the U.S. Southern Command, implied that corrupt military officers in Central America bear most of the responsibility for arming Mexican drug traffickers.

   "Over 50 percent of the military-type weapons that are flowing throughout the region have a large source between Central American stockpiles, if you will, left over from wars and conflicts in the past," said Fraser.

   Since then, major media outlets like the AFP and McClatchy have picked up the comment, casting it as proof that Central American military arms are fueling Mexico’s drug violence.

   But while General Fraser’s comment that over 50 percent of “military-type” weapons come from Central America may be true, it is misleading. The weapons coming from Central America only account for military-grade arms, which include anti-tank weapons as well as M-16 and G36 assault rifles.

   The civilian versions of these weapons, such as the AR-15 and the AK-47 variants, account for many more of the seizures made in Mexico, according to several United States Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) sources consulted by InSight. Indeed, ATF agents have repeatedly told InSight that the most commonly carried weapons by cartel foot soldiers are modified, automatic AK-47 variants from Romania and China. These cheaper versions are readily available in many American gun stores and bought, legally, by straw buyers at the behest of middlemen who sell them, illegally, en masse to the cartels in Mexico.


"Middlemen" including the ATF, apparently. One wonders how the Honduran government is going to react to the next lecture from the State Department on how sloppy they are with the military weapons we've sold/given them? Not very well, I would imagine.

Oh, well, just another garden-variety Obama administration act of war on another sovereign nation. What's the big deal? Nothing to see here, citizens. Move along.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,5:54 pm
The Gunwalker Scandal Made Simple

There are five key accusations against ATF and DOJ made by ATF whistleblowers and other sources within FedGov:
1. That they instructed U.S. gun dealers to proceed with questionable and illegal sales of firearms to suspected gunrunners.

2. That they allowed or even assisted in those guns crossing the U.S. border into Mexico to "boost the numbers" of American civilian market firearms seized in Mexico and thereby provide the justification for more firearm restrictions on American citizens and more power and money for ATF.

3. That they intentionally kept Mexican authorities in the dark about the operation, even over objections of their own agents.

4. That weapons that the ATF let "walk" to Mexico were involved in the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE agent Jaime Zapata, as well as at least hundreds of Mexican citizens.

5. That at least since the death of Brian Terry on 14 December, the Obama administration is engaged in a full-press cover-up of the facts behind what has come to be known as the "Gunwalker Scandal."

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 09 2011,6:11 pm
Which Was Worse: Watergate or Operation ‘Fast and Furious’?

After The Washington Post broke the news of the Watergate break-ins in 1972, the Nixon administration circled the wagons. And in 1997 – a full 25 years after the fact – Katherine Graham, who was with The Post in 1972, vividly recalled how “Nixon began making threats of economic retaliation against the paper.”

According to Graham, Nixon bullied the paper, sought to silence it, and launched a “campaign to undermine public confidence in [it].”

Judging from what Graham said, it appears that Nixon wanted to be sure people understood that if they continued to pry into Watergate or talk about Watergate or break news about Watergate as it unfolded, there would be harsh ramifications. (Keep in mind – Nixon had nothing to do with planning Watergate. Only with covering it up once he learned of it after the fact.)

Honestly folks, Watergate provided the Left with such a singularly sweet opportunity to bring down a Republican president that they’ve never gotten over it. As recently as 2004, MSNBC sent reporters to the streets to be sure up and coming generations had not forgotten what Nixon had done. (I don’t want to belabor the point, but Nixon had nothing to do with planning Watergate. Only with covering it up once he learned of it after the fact.)

So for covering up something up, Nixon was crucified by Left: to the point that by the summer of 1974 it became evident the House of Representatives was going to bring up impeachment charges against him. But he nipped those plans in the bud by resigning office on August 9, 1974, and flipping the “V” for victory to the hippies and the war protestors as he boarded the chopper that carried him away from the White House.

No one died during the Watergate break-ins or as a result of Nixon’s cover-up.

Switch gears and jump to 2009, and the ATF’s special operation “Fast and Furious.” An operation with which you’re all familiar by now, where upwards of 2500 guns in Arizona were sold to “straw purchasers” under the assumption that those guns were going to end up in the hands of Mexican cartel members who could then be arrested.

Talk about an embarrassingly ignorant plan.

Jump now to 2011 – of the approximately 2500 guns sold only a few hundred have been recovered and at least one federal agent, Brian Terry, lost his life due to this ludicrous operation.

Talk about a cover-up: this operation was somehow planned and conducted without the full knowledge of the Acting ATF Director, the Justice Department, or President Obama having any knowledge of it. (By “full knowledge” I mean that Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson says knew about it, but was kept “in the dark” regarding the extent of the operation, and the involvement of other agencies like the FBI and DEA.)

In other news, on July 5th Jack Tapper (ABC News) peppered Obama’s White House Press Secretary with questions about “Fast and Furious” in front of the rest of the press reporters, but the most substantive answer that Jay Carney gave was: “The president takes this very seriously.” (In all fairness to Carney, he’s clueless because Obama keeps him clueless.)

Look folks, this is ridiculous. Where is Chris Matthews? Where is that Keith guy who used to work for MSNBC? Where are all the freaks who wanted to hang George W. Bush in effigy for supposedly-lying about Iraq?

Why are they silent in the face of so great a cover-up?

Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrell Issa are pressing for answers on “Fast and Furious,” yet the Justice Department is doing its best to keep people from talking. (Grassley and Issa actually had to send a letter to the Justice Department to ask them to avoid pressuring people into not talking and to provide protections for those who do.)

Remember: No one died during Watergate, yet Nixon had to resign. Federal Agent Brian Terry is gone due to “Fast and Furious” – it’s time for someone to lose their job, if not go to jail or face impeachment charges in the House of Representatives.

Posted by fredbear on Jul. 11 2011,6:21 am
Funny, no more smart ass remarks from the resident administration apologist.  

This is the biggest cluster of my lifetime and the MSM is basically sweeping it under the rug.

Go, Chuck, go!!

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 11 2011,9:46 pm
Obama Administration Plans New Gun Control Oppression
This maybe intended to distract from the fast & Furious Scandal that is looking to reach to the top of the administration - Ammoland  
I sort of agree, but most of us seem to think the Fast and Furious was set up and executed in the hopes to further an assault on Enumerated 2nd Amendment Rights all in the name of safety and to further the enslavement of the American citizen.  In 2009 Eric 'the moron' Holder bragged about his Fast and Furious program.

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FAIRFAX, Va. --(Ammoland.com)- As we pass the six-month anniversary of the tragic Tucson shooting, multiple press reports indicate the Obama administration is planning to unveil new, but unspecified, gun control initiatives.

   At a Thursday briefing, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said, “As you know, the President directed the Attorney General to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve Americans’ safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights. That process is well underway at the Department of Justice with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues. And we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future.”

Carney provided no further details on the initiatives, but he isn’t the only one saying something is in the works.

   According to a related article on NPR.org, U.S. Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.) said, “I have spoken to the president. He is with me on [gun control], and it’s just going to be when that opportunity comes forward that we’re going to be able to go forward.” And longtime anti-gun activist Sarah Brady has said that in March, the president told her “I just want you to know that we are working on [gun control] … We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Rest assured we’ll report any significant developments in the weeks ahead.


What we have here is the utter contempt of the Constitution that this POS swore an oath to, to even attempt to pass some sort of law without the consent of the Congress is dangerous and alarming to say the least.  Such actions merit impeachment along with a nice stay in a prison.  Seems this man thinks of himself as king. :crazy:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 11 2011,10:02 pm
ATF Gunrunner Fallout: Grassley, Issa Blast Holder

Top Republican lawmakers have authored an explosive new letter containing details of secret testimony by acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson, which reveal for the first time the extent to which his agency was involved in an international gun selling scandal.

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican, and Sen. Chuck Grassley, Iowa Republican, fired off the letter to Attorney General Eric Holder Tuesday detailing what Melson told Congressional investigators in a secret July 4 testimony.

One key takeaway from the meeting was that Melson acknowledged to investigators that agents had witnessed transfers of weapons from straw purchasers to third parties without following the guns afterwards. Straw purchasers are people who could technically legally buy guns in the U.S. but their intent was to turn around and sell them to drug cartels in Mexico.

Another point Melson clarified for investigators was that the ATF group carrying out the mission of Operation Fast and Furious was placed under the direction of the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s office. The U.S. Attorney in Arizona, Dennis Burke, is a political appointee of the Obama administration.

Melson appeared with only his personal attorney at the secret meeting with Congressional investigators. Melson was originally scheduled to conduct the interview on July 13 with Justice Department attorneys and his personal attorney present, but Melson abandoned DOJ representation after learning of a provision in his agreement to testify that allowed him to do so. (Issa staffer: Gunrunner investigation points much higher than ATF director)

“We are disappointed that no one had previously informed him of that provision of the agreement,” Issa and Grassley wrote to Holder on Tuesday afternoon. “Instead, Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress. This is yet another example of why direct communications with Congress are so important and are protected by law.”

Issa and Grassley wrote that Melson’s interview “was extremely helpful to our investigation.” They said Melson told them he did not review the “hundreds of documents” the DOJ is withholding until after the public controversy about the operation. Issa and Grassley said Melson claims he was “sick to his stomach” when he obtained the documents and learned the full story.

The DOJ has not been fully cooperative with a number of Issa’s and Grassley’s requests for documents and other evidence in this investigation. According to the July 5 letter, Issa and Grassley said Melson told them he asked the Office of the Deputy Attorney General (ODAG) to be more cooperative with Congressional requests for information, evidence and documents.

Their letter also details how Melson told Issa and Grassley that he and other senior ATF officials moved to reassign every major official involved in Operation Fast and Furious. Melson said Obama administration Justice Department officials directed him and other ATF officials to not communicate to Congress the reasoning behind the reassignments.

The ultimate point behind Issa’s and Grassley’s letter to Holder was to request Melson be provided with the protections that bureaucratic whistleblowers normally enjoy. Because Melson, a longtime career government employee, now serves as a political appointee of the Obama administration, he doesn’t automatically enjoy whistleblower protections.

In recent weeks, rumors have floated throughout the press that Melson was going to resign his post as acting ATF Director. Melson told Congressional investigators on July 4, though, that those reports were “untrue.”

“Technically, Mr. Melson no longer enjoys the due process protections afforded to career officials,” Issa and Grassley wrote. “Given his testimony, unless a permanent director is confirmed, it would be inappropriate for the Justice Department to take action against him that could have the effect of intimidating others who might want to provide additional information to the Committees.”

Melson also confirmed many suspicions Issa and Grassley had of the existence of documents and other evidence in Justice Department possession. The Republican members called on Holder to be more transparent and honest in responses to their requests for information, and that DOJ officials should be informed of their right to communicate with Congressional committees without Holder’s oversight.

“We hope that the Department will take a much more candid and forthcoming approach in addressing these very serious matters with the Committee,” Issa and Grassley wrote. “If other important fact witnesses like Mr. Melson have a desire to communicate directly with the Committees they should be informed that they are free to do so. They should also be notified that if they are represented by personal counsel, they may appear with personal counsel rather than with Department lawyers.”

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 11 2011,10:04 pm
Letter to 'Moron' Holder

Dear Attorney General Holder:

Yesterday, Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson participated in a transcribed interview regarding Operation Fast and Furious and related matters with both Republican and Democratic staff. He appeared with his personal counsel, Richard Cullen of McGuire Woods LLP. His interview had originally been scheduled through the Justice Department to occur on July 13 in the presence of DOJ and ATF counsel. As you know, however, under our agreement Department witnesses who choose to attend a voluntary interview with their own lawyer are free to exercise that right rather than participate with counsel representing the Department’s interests.

After being made aware of that provision of our agreement, Acting Director Melson chose to exercise that right and appeared with his own lawyer. We are disappointed that no one had previously informed him of that provision of the agreement. Instead, Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress. This is yet another example of why direct communications with Congress are so important and are protected by law.

1 Specifically, no officer or employee may attempt to prohibit or prevent “any other officer or employee of the Federal Government from having direct oral or written communication or contact with any Member,  committee, or subcommittee of the Congress” about a matter related to his employment or the agency “in any way, irrespective of whether such communication or contact is at the initiative” of the employee or Congress (emphasis added). Moreover, the prohibition also applies to any officer or employee who “removes, suspends from duty without pay … any other officer or employee of the Federal Government … by reason of any communication or contact of such other officer or employee with any Member, committee, or subcommittee of the Congress.” Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2010, P.L.111-117, 123 Stat. 3034, § 714 (2010), as continued by §1104 ofP.L. 112-10- which extends the funding levels, as well as “the authority and conditions provided in such Acts,” through September 30, 2011. See generally, Government Accountability Office, “Department of Health and Human Services-Chief Actuary’s Communications with Congress,” B-302911 (Sep. 7, 2004) (discussing the history and background in support of the government-wide prohibition on attempts to prevent direct communications with Congress). As you know, obstructing or impeding a Congressional inquiry is also a criminal violation under 18 U.S.C. § 1505.

Attorney General Eric Holder

July 5,2011

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Acting Director Melson’s cooperation was extremely helpful to our investigation. He was candid in admitting mistakes that his agency made and described various ways he says that he tried to remedy the problems. According to Mr. Melson, it was not until after the public controversy that he personally reviewed hundreds of documents relating to the case, including wiretap applications and Reports of Investigation (ROIs). By his account, he was sick to his stomach when he obtained those documents and learned the full story. Mr. Melson said that he told the Office of the Deputy Attorney General (ODAG) at the end of March that the Department needed to reexamine how it was responding to the requests for information from Congress.

According to Mr. Melson, he and ATF’s senior leadership team moved to reassign every manager involved in Fast and Furious, from the Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations down to the Group Supervisor, after learning the facts in those documents. Mr. Melson also said he was not allowed to communicate to Congress the reasons for the reassignments. He claimed that ATF’s senior leadership would have preferred to be more cooperative with our inquiry much earlier in the process.

However, he said that Justice Department officials directed them not to respond and took full control of replying to briefing and document requests from Congress. The result is that Congress only got the parts of the story that the Department wanted us to hear. If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. The Department’s inability or unwillingness to be more forthcoming served to conceal critical information that we are now learning about the involvement of other agencies, including the DEA and the FBI.

The Role of DEA, FBI, and Other Agencies


When confronted with information about serious issues involving lack ofinformation sharing by other agencies, which Committee staff had originally learned from other witnesses, Mr. Melson’s responses tended to corroborate what others had said. Specifically, we have very real indications from several sources that some of the gun trafficking “higher-ups” that the ATF sought to identify were already known to other agencies and may even have been paid as informants. The Acting Director said that ATF was kept in the dark about certain activities of other agencies, including DEA and FBI. Mr. Melson said that he learned from ATF agents in the field that information obtained by these agencies could have had a material impact on the Fast and Furious

Attorney General Eric Holder

July S, 2011

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investigation as far back as late 2009 or early 2010. After learning about the possible role of DEA and FBI, he testified that he reported this information in April 2011 to the Acting Inspector General and directly to then-Acting Deputy Attorney General James Cole on June 16, 2011.

The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons but that taxpayer dollars from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities. While this is preliminary information, we must find out if there is any truth to it. According to Acting Director Melson, he became aware of this startling possibility only after the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the indictments of the straw  purchasers,which we now know were substantially delayed by the u.s. Attorney’s Office and Main Justice. Mr. Melson provided documents months ago supporting his concerns to the official in the ODAG responsible for document production to the Committees, but those documents have not been provided to us.

It is one thing to argue that the ends justify the means in an attempt to defend a policy that puts building a big case ahead of stopping known criminals from getting guns. Yet it is a much more serious matter to conceal from Congress the possible involvement of other agencies in identifying and maybe even working with the same criminals that Operation Fast and Furious was trying to identify. If this information is accurate, then the whole misguided operation might have been cut short if not for catastrophic failures to share key information. If agencies within the same Department, co-located at the same facilities, had simply communicated with one another, then ATF might have known that gun trafficking “higher-ups” had been already identified. This raises new and serious questions about the role of DEA, FBI, the United States Attorney’s Office in Arizona, and Main Justice in coordinating this effort. Nearly a decade after the September 11th attacks, the stovepipes of information within our government may still be causing tragic mistakes long after they should have been broken down.

Efforts to Oust Melson


In the last few weeks, unnamed administration officials have indicated to the press that Acting Director Melson would be forced to resign. According to Mr. Melson, those initial reports were untrue. Regardless of what we might have thought before about how he should handle a request to resign, we now know he has not been asked to resign. We also now have the benefit of hearing his side of the story and will have a chance to examine what he said and compare it to the other evidence we are gathering. However, that will take some time.

Attorney General Eric Holder

July 5,2011

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Mr. Melson served as the First Assistant to the U.S. Attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia for 21 years, from 1986 to 2007. That is a career position. After the controversy over the firing of the U.S. Attorneys, he took over the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys (EOUSA). He indicated that he was asked to convert to a non-career Senior Executive Service (SES), a politically appointed position, in order to speed the hiring process, and he agreed. However, his former position at EOUSA is currently filled by a career SES employee, Marshall Jarrett. As you know, for civil servants, the distinction between career and non-career status is significant.

In 2009, he said he was asked to take over as Acting Director of the ATF. Acting Director of the ATF is by its nature a temporary job. According to Mr. Melson, he was willing to serve the Department with the understanding that after a short tenure as Acting Director, he would return to a position as a career senior executive elsewhere within the Department.

However, two days after he told Acting Deputy Attorney General Cole about serious issues involving lack of information sharing, the Wall Street Journal reported that unnamed sources said that Melson was about to be ousted.

The revelations about Operation Fast and Furious have focused intense scrutiny on the ATF. It has no doubt taken a toll on the agency and the good people who work there. Much of that damage has occurred because the Department prevented ATF from being more forthcoming and responsive to questions from Congress. This is the context in which Mr. Melson decided to submit to an on-the-record interview with private counsel, pursuant to our agreement with the Department.

Technically, Mr. Melson no longer enjoys the due process protections afforded to career officials. Given his testimony, unless a permanent director is confirmed, it would be inappropriate for the Justice Department to take action against him that could have the effect of intimidating others who might want to provide additional information to the Committees.

We hope that the Department will take a much more candid and forthcoming approach in addressing these very serious matters with the Committees. If other important fact witnesses like Mr. Melson have a desire to communicate directly with the Committees they should be informed that they are free to do so. They should also be notified that if they are represented by personal counsel, they may appear with personal counsel rather than with Department lawyers.

Any decision about Mr. Melson’s future with the Department would need to be justified solely on the basis of the facts and the needs of the agency, rather than on his decision to speak to us. We encourage you to communicate to us any additional significant information about any such decision so that we can work together to ensure

Attorney General Eric Holder

July 5,2011

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that it would not impede our investigation. For now, the Office of Inspector General is still conducting its review, and we are still conducting ours. Knowing what we know so far, we believe it would be inappropriate to make Mr. Melson the fall guy in an attempt to prevent further congressional oversight.

Sincerely,

Charles E. Grassley, Ranking Member

Committee on the Judiciary

United States Senate

Darrell Issa, Chairman

Committee on Oversight &

Government Reform

U.S. House of Representatives

cc:

The Honorable Elijah E. Cummings, Ranking Member

U.S. House of Representatives, Committee on Oversight & Government Reform

The Honorable Patrick Leahy, Chairman

U.S. Senate, Committee on the Judiciary

Posted by grassman on Jul. 11 2011,10:18 pm
GD, I whole heartedly agree with you on this. I wish you would take as much attention on how we are being fed as food to the ultra wealthy, legally. The United States OF America, is no longer our home. It is the feeding ground of the wealthy and govt agencies that will do what ever it takes to stay in power. Some do not see the picture yet for they are not being nibbled on yet. :(
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 11 2011,10:42 pm

(grassman @ Jul. 11 2011,10:18 pm)
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GD, I whole heartedly agree with you on this. I wish you would take as much attention on how we are being fed as food to the ultra wealthy, legally. The United States OF America, is no longer our home. It is the feeding ground of the wealthy and govt agencies that will do what ever it takes to stay in power. Some do not see the picture yet for they are not being nibbled on yet. :(

While I understand where you are coming from in regards to the 'evil rich' and was pretty much spoon fed the same tired cliche's as a youth, but as I got older I started to see things in a different light, through educating myself.

Is there some that will do anything to remain in power and gain wealth at any means possible?  You bet, but those numbers are very little.  The biggest threat to wealth in this country is our very own govt, like it or not, all one has to do is look back in history and see the continued trend on legislation being passed that seems to take more and more money from the citizens and throws up barriers against businesses to be profitable, and a federal govt that seems to spend money liken to a teen without any constraints all in the name of the so called greater good, and without any regard to the hardships it befalls upon WE the citizens.  Something has to give, and it is time the federal govt to have most of its budget stripped from them.

2nd Amendment issues IMHO are the most important, as I see the 2nd Amendment is the ultimate Enumerated Constitutional Right that protects the rest.   When we see dumbass operations such as this and utter contempt for the law by our very own govt, and this could be the most damning scandal of the decade, and heads should roll over this.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 12 2011,7:31 am
Why is it that World Nut Daily and the other right wing rags are the only "news" sources to be reporting on this?

In general if you see something on WND that says "WND Exclusive" you can be sure that it's not true.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 12 2011,9:08 am
I have no idea why other news organizations are not covering this.  Maybe some of those news organizations are apologists for the federal govt and turn a blind eye to it.

There are other online news outlets that are covering this, but not enough.  This is probably the biggest scandal since watergate.  One can gain a lot of info from < Clean up ATF > a website run by an ATF agent, and many of those that post there are ATF agents from all over the US.

Posted by ThirdParty on Jul. 12 2011,5:11 pm
L.A. Times is on it, and hopefully this video comes through from CBS.  

  "...and a 5-6-7-8!..."   tap, taptatap tap tap...

< http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7371762n >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 12 2011,10:48 pm
Never let a crisis go to waste even if it is a manufactured one by the hands of our federal govt.

BREAKING: DoJ announces gun reporting requirements; Issa, Grassley respond

Late Monday, the Department of Justice announced that it will begin requiring gun dealers in four Southwest Border states to report multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines.

  This is a long-anticipated move by the Justice Department in the wake of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal. It was quickly branded as a political maneuver by Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, who has been leading the investigation of the botched gun trafficking sting mounted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. It also brought a quick reaction from Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) who initially began digging into Fast and Furious in late January.

  The new rule announcement reads:

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   STATEMENT OF DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL JAMES COLE REGARDING INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR MULTIPLE SALES OF SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLES WITH DETACHABLE MAGAZINES

   WASHINGTON - Deputy Attorney General James Cole issued the following statement today regarding information requests for multiple sales of semi-automatic rifles with detachable magazines in select states along the Southwest Border:

   "The international expansion and increased violence of transnational criminal networks pose a significant threat to the United States.  Federal, state and foreign law enforcement agencies have determined that certain types of semi-automatic rifles - greater than .22 caliber and with the ability to accept a detachable magazine - are highly sought after by dangerous drug trafficking organizations and frequently recovered at violent crime scenes near the Southwest Border.  This new reporting measure -- tailored to focus only on multiple sales of these types of rifles to the same person within a five-day period -- will improve the ability of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to detect and disrupt the illegal weapons trafficking networks responsible for diverting firearms from lawful commerce to criminals and criminal organizations.  These targeted information requests will occur in Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to help confront the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico and along the Southwest Border."

   SOME BACKGROUND FROM DOJ:

   To address the problem of illegal gun trafficking into Mexico, ATF will send an information request to Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) in the four Southwest Border states:  Texas, California, Arizona, and New Mexico. The point of this request is to provide a targeted approach to address the problem of illegal gun trafficking through sales to "straw purchasers," people who claim to be the true buyers of firearms but in reality are purchasing firearms on behalf of others.

   

   ATF will tailor the information request to address the specific threat.  It applies only to firearms dealers in the four border states, and its prospective reporting requirements apply only if a firearms dealer sells within five business days to a single individual two or more long guns having all of the following characteristics:

   

   o          Semi-automatic action;

   o          A caliber greater than .22, including .223 caliber firearms; and

   o          The ability to accept a detachable magazine.

   

   The issuance of ATF's information request follows two periods of public notice and comment, as required by law.  On December 17, 2010, ATF published a notice in the Federal Register requesting public comments on the information request for 60 days.  After reviewing the comments submitted in response to this notice, ATF published a second notice in the Federal Register on April 29, 2011, requesting public comments for 30 days.  OMB reviewed the last set of public comments before approving the information collection request.  


 Here is Issa’s blistering response:
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“This political maneuver seems designed to protect the careers of political appointees at the Justice Department and not public safety.  It’s disconcerting that Justice Department officials who may have known about or tried to cover-up gunwalking in Operation Fast and Furious are continuing attempts to distract attention from clear wrongdoing.  In Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers didn’t need this regulation as they voluntarily provided ATF agents with information about suspected straw purchasers.  In return for this voluntary cooperation, the Justice Department betrayed them by offering false assurances that they would closely monitor sales of weapons that dealers otherwise did not want to make.”


 And here is the statement from Sen. Grassley:
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“We’ve learned from our investigation of Fast and Furious that reporting multiple long gun sales would do nothing to stop the flow of firearms to known straw purchasers because many Federal Firearms Dealers are already voluntarily reporting suspicious transactions.  In fact, in just the documents we’ve obtained, we are aware of 150 multiple long guns sales associated with the ATF’s Fast and Furious case, and despite the fact that nearly all of these sales were reported in real time by cooperating gun dealers, the ATF watched the guns be transported from known straw purchasers to third parties and then let the guns walk away, often across the border.  This makes it pretty clear that the problem isn’t lack of burdensome reporting requirements.  The administration’s continued overreach with regulations continues, and is a distraction from its reckless policy to allow guns to walk into Mexico.”


 My colleague, David Codrea, is also writing about this issue today.

  Perhaps not coincidentally, the announcement comes as the Washington Post editorialized about the ATF scandal, once again trying to deflect blame away from the Obama administration and towards its critics, most notably the National Rifle Association. Incredibly, the Washington Post argues:
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   Now, the very critics who have tied the bureau’s hands are expressing outrage over a novel, and we would agree questionable, ATF operation intended to curb gun smuggling into Mexico…

   Those who would clobber the bureau for possible mistakes should look in the mirror and accept some responsibility for its failings.


The suggestion by the Washington Post that ATF be given more power infuriated one of the nation's leading gun rights activists, who had this to say:
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   "Giving the ATF corruptocrats more power at this point would result in more weapons for the Mexican drug gangs. Talk about rewarding bad behavior.

   "Don't give them more power. Give them and the higher ups at the Justice Department who have approved Fast &  Furious jail time."—Alan Gottlieb, Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.


The cover-up surrounding Operation Fast and Furious is slowly but surely beginning to crumble. Trying to blame the debacle on gun rights organizations is, according to critics, a flimsy sham that will increasingly fail the smell test as this investigation continues to unfold.



Quite interesting in how this can be accomplished without a bill being passed in Congress, since when do agencies write their own laws?  If this were the case why even have a legislature?  This whole reporting issue is UNCONSTITUTIONAL and needs to be struck down and barred from ever being implemented, who made these POS usurpers king? :dunno:

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 13 2011,7:27 am
Breaking news from WND? Seriously how many times does that site burn you republitards, and you still repeat their garbage.

It seems to me that you right wing loons are excited about a Bush era policy claiming it's bigger than Watergate, yet you can't find a credible news source that's reported on it? It's not like I'm in the habit of defending what that moron Bush did, but I'm at a loss as to how this is "bigger than Watergate".

And wasn't "Bigger than Watergate" a headline on World Nut Daily last week?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,7:45 am
Why do you ASSume its from worldnet daily?  It isn't.  It is taken from from the MANY gun sites I visit, things like ammoland, the truth about guns, sipsy street irregulars, GOA, keep and bear arms, Second Amendment Foundation, ect..

And this scandal is getting bigger and bigger by the day, Project Fast and Furious was originally Project Gunwalker, and it seems it may have been used as early as the Iran/Contra scandal, which was born out of the CIA / DEA / FBI.  

I find it disgusting that POS oath breakers implement so called BS straw purchase laws, then turns around and breaks the very UNCONSTITUTIONAL law they are suppose to uphold, but I get it, "Do as I say, not as I do" type mentality.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 13 2011,8:08 am
Iran/Contra scandal? :rofl:
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To help combat firearms trafficking into Mexico, ATF began Project Gunrunner as a pilot project in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and expanded it as a national initiative in 2006. Project Gunrunner is also part of the Department's broader Southwest Border Initiative, which seeks to reduce cross-border drug and firearms trafficking and the high level of violence  associated with these activities on both sides of the border.

   In June 2007, ATF published a strategy document, Southwest Border Initiative:  Project Gunrunner (Gunrunner strategy), outlining four key components to Project Gunrunner: the expansion of gun tracing in Mexico, international coordination, domestic activities, and intelligence. In implementing Project Gunrunner, ATF has focused resources in its four Southwest border field divisions. In addition, ATF has made firearms trafficking to Mexico a top ATF priority nationwide.

[DOJ IG report, Review of ATF's Project Gunrunner, November 2010]
< http://www.justice.gov/oig/reports/ATF/e1101.pdf >


"Bigger than watergate"? :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,8:18 am
Laugh all you want, it seems this rabbit hole keeps getting deeper and deeper.  With more information being provided by whistle-blowers, from current active and retired federal agents.  With acting director Melson choosing to meet privately with Grassly and Issa, he has provided a bevy of information the DOJ sought to muzzle.

You seem to think your dear govt does NO wrong.  Our current form of govt is so far from the Constitutional constraints, and likens itself master of WE the People, and seems it can do whatever it wants.   :finger:  the govt.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,8:53 am
Eric Holder Feigns Ignorance of Operation ‘Fast and Furious’ Now, But He Bragged of Overseeing Its Implementation in 2009

News about Operation “Fast and Furious” is now ubiquitous. Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson’s Fourth of July testimony to Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrell Issa blew the cover off what appears to be one of the biggest political cover-ups in the last 50 years.

In the middle of it is Attorney General Eric Holder, who now feigns a blissful ignorance about the whole mess: having nothing to say about its beginnings as Operation “Gunrunner” or its latest incarnation as “Fast and Furious.”

For those who might not know, Operation “Gunrunner” was the plan to sell guns to “straw purchasers” with suspected ties to the Mexican cartel. Apparently, ATF was then banking on those purchasers to walk the guns across the border into Mexico. Operation “Fast and Furious” was the plan to follow those guns until they were in cartel hands and then make apprehensions. (For the record, I concur with those who believe this was all an attempt to flood the border with weapons in order to create a degree of chaos sufficient to convince us of the supposed-need for more gun control in America.)

Anyway, the problem with Holder’s feigned ignorance is that he gave a speech in Cuernavaca, Mexico, on April 2, 2009, in which he boasted about Operation “Gunrunner” and told Mexican authorities of everything he was doing to insure its success.

Holder told the audience:
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Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels.  My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion.


But once the whole thing got crazy, and “Fast and Furious” left Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry dead, Holder and others in the Justice Department went from boasting about such projects to pressuring people like Acting ATF Director Melson to keep their mouths shut.

Melson is on record saying that “Justice Department officials sought to limit and control his communications with Congress.” Moreover, when he saw the storm clouds rising and attempted to reassign “every major official involved” in Operation “Fast and Furious,” Melson said “Justice Department officials directed him and other ATF officials to not communicate to Congress the reasoning behind the reassignments.”

Folks, I’m not great at math, but I’ve got simple math mastered. And figuring out what’s going on here doesn’t seem much harder than 2 +2.

Just think about it: Holder was as proud as he could be over Operation “Gunrunner” until the fiasco fell apart and over a thousand guns flooded into Mexico unaccounted for. (It seems we find them now when they’re recovered from crime scenes, along with the body of the victims killed by those using the weapons.)

One of Representative Issa’s staffers is on record saying: “[The Operation] ‘Gunrunner’ investigation points much higher than [the] ATF director.”

Does that mean it points toward Holder or Holder’s office?

Does 3 + 3 equal 6?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,8:56 am
Breaking story: Grassley & Issa catch Eric Holder with his cover-up underwear down around his ankles.

From a letter by Senator Grassley and Congressman Issa to Eric Holder released this morning:

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We have recently learned that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) has afforded potential witnesses for the Committee's investigation into Operation Fast and Furious access to a shared drive on its computer system replete with pertinent investigative documents, including ATF e-mails. Although our staff has been advised the Department has since terminated access to this document cache, we write to seek additional information relating to this egregious decision. We also ask that you promptly self-report this matter to the Office of Inspector General (OIG).

As we understand it, the shared drive contains the documents that have been produced to the Committees through the course of our investigation, those made available for in camera review and possibly documents that the Department of Justice (DOJ) has not yet provided to the Committee. These witnesses had not previously seen many of these documents.

Allowing witnesses access to such documents could taint their testimony by allowing them to tailor their responses to what they think the Committees already know. Additionally, witnesses who gain access to documents they have not previously seen could alter their recollection of events. This practice harms not only our investigation, but also the independent investigation that you instructed the Inspector General to conduct.

One witness who had access to these documents informed us of this questionable practice:

   Q: What other documents have you gone through other than your emails?

   A. A couple of the things that have been produced. They put a link on our computer, some kind of drive that I can click on and read things that have been produced. So I do that every once in a while, but not normally.

   Q: And what is the purpose of that, to your knowledge?

   A. Just to refresh my recollection about what is out there, you know.

   Q: So you have a link on your computer so that you know what we have been provided by Justice?

   A. Yes. There is a link in our computer for Gunrunner, Fast and Furious produced to Congress, and there is updates every once in a while of those documents that are being produced.


hmmmmmmmmm - interesting.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,9:14 am
Issa, Grassley ask for communications between 12 DoJ officials

The Congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious continued to grow Tuesday as Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley asked Attorney General Eric Holder for records and communications involving a dozen current and former Justice Department officials.

In a letter to Holder, obtained earlier today by this column, Issa and Grassley asked for “all records relating to communications between and among” the 12 named individuals. That lineup includes:

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    Former Deputy Attorney General David Ogden

    Former Acting Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler

    Deputy Attorney General James Cole

    Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer

    Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco

    Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein

    Deputy Assistant Attorney General John Keeney

    Associate Deputy Attorney General Matt Axelrod

    Former Associate Deputy Attorney General Ed Siskel

    Brad Smith, office of the Deputy Attorney General

    Kevin Carwile, section chief, Capital Case Unit

    Joseph Cooley, Criminal Fraud Section


The records sought by Issa and Grassley include e-mails, memoranda, briefing papers and handwritten notes. They also want records related to communications referring to a large firearms trafficking case within the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

As my colleague David Codrea notes here, Issa and Grassley put it to Holder bluntly that they have learned that "senior officials at the Department of Justice...including Senate-confirmed political appointees, were unquestionably aware of the implementation of this reckless program."

With this new request, it now appears that the Fast and Furious investigation tracks to the highest levels of the Justice Department. This request follows on the heels of an earlier letter Issa and Grassley sent to Holder — discussed by this column — that alleges the Justice Department made certain sensitive documents available to potential witnesses that might be called before Issa’s House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, thus tainting their testimony.

All of this comes in the wake of a secret July 4 appearance by Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson before Congressional investigators probing the Fast and Furious controversy.

In a related matter, Issa threw down a gauntlet on Fox News Tuesday afternoon, reacting further to Monday’s announced change in gun sale reporting requirements in four Southwest border states. Issa told Fox News that “We have no expectation that this White House will be respectful of the Second Amendment.”

There is a widespread belief that the Obama administration was using Fast and Furious as a tool to gin up the number of U.S.-origin firearms recovered at Mexican crime scenes in order to reinforce administration calls for restoration of the ban on so-called “assault weapons.”


This is going to make Watergate look like a schoolyard tiff. Nobody died in Watergate. President Obama and Eric Holder are complicit in the deaths of at least 2 federal agents and who knows how many Mexican and American citizens. The sooner they start impeachment proceedings the better off our country will be.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,9:19 am
Bilirakis questions Holder, Melson on Tampa gunwalking allegations

WASHINGTON, DC:  Congressman Gus Bilirakis (R-FL) wrote a letter today to Attorney General Eric Holder and Acting Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Kenneth Melson expressing “deep concern about reports that [ATF and DOJ] have participated in multiple acts of ‘gun walking,’ purposely allowing firearms to pass from straw purchaser into the possession of criminals and other dangerous third party organizations.”

“These reports,” Bilirakis writes, “raise troubling questions about the motives, intentions, and competency of the ATF and DOJ.”

“In recent days,” he notes, “it has come to light that the ATF and DOJ may have participated in the act of ‘gun walking’ beyond the acts conducted within the scope of “Operation Fast and Furious’…and that similar programs included the possible trafficking of arms to dangerous criminal gangs in Honduras with the knowledge of the ATF’s Tampa Field Division.”

Referencing his membership on the House Committee on Homeland Security and the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, Bilirakis asked for answers to the following questions, including whether ATF Tampa and DOJ “allowed weapons to be trafficked to Honduras.”

< Click here to read the letter >

A point of clarification by Mike Vanderboegh, one of the two online journalists who broke the Tampa/Honduras gunwalking story,  involves the appearance that Operation Castaway was necessarily the cover used for the trafficking.  In an update filed today, Vanderboegh notes:

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   You will note the question mark in the header of the first story after "Part of Operation Castaway?"

   Here is the exact wording:

   "Whether the allegations of our source refer to the on-going Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the 'walking' of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious. That Operation Castaway involved arms smuggling to Honduras is also certain."

   This is careful language for a reason. We asked the question because although other sources suggested it might be related to Operation Castaway we could not confirm it. We went with what our central source (who was closest to the source of the story than anyone else) said, which was that although he was certain of gunwalking to Honduras he was not certain it was a part of the Castaway operation.

   Our second story, my analysis piece on "Why Honduras?" and my letter to Melson included nothing about Castaway.

   Elsewhere on the Internet and in the mainstream media, others made the connection to Castaway, which may have been related to a combination of this language in the DOJ press release on Castaway, "Operation Castaway remains an ongoing investigation…


Sources have reconfirmed to these correspondents that regardless of any Castaway connection that may or may not be established, they stand by the gunwalking allegations.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 13 2011,9:24 am
Seriously, when was the last time that one of your conspiracy theories panned out?

Lastest Right wing proof.
QUOTE

Eric Holder Feigns Ignorance of Operation ‘Fast and Furious’ Now, But He Bragged of Overseeing Its Implementation in 2009

News about Operation “Fast and Furious” is now ubiquitous. Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson’s Fourth of July testimony to Senator Charles Grassley and Representative Darrell Issa blew the cover off what appears to be one of the biggest political cover-ups in the last 50 years.



Holder's speech where he references the Bush era program Project Gunrunner, and makes no reference to "Fast and Furious" program like the reichwing nutjobs claim.
QUOTE

Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail. [Holder speech, 4/2/2009, via Justice.gov]

< http://www.justice.gov/ag/speeches/2009/ag-speech-090402.html >


His speech referenced supplementing the Bush era program Project Gunrunner, it says nothing about the Fast and Furious program, or "Overseeing Its Implementation" like the title of the article claims.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,9:55 am
gun runner = Op Fast and Furious.

All roads point to the DOJ, and Holder is the one in charge now.  Hes the one that is responsible for this whole mess.
He knew about this, bragged about it, then all of a sudden when the SHTF, he gets amnesia.  The next one on the list is Op Castaway.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 13 2011,1:06 pm
QUOTE

gun runner = Op Fast and Furious.

How can you buy into a conspiracy theory when you can't even keep the basic facts straight? Project Gunrunner was a national ATF program that was started in 2005 to reduce gun trafficking along the U.S.-Mexico Border. Operation Fast and Furious was a 2009 program in Arizona that shifted resources from seizing guns to identifying the network of buyers.

Posted by ThirdParty on Jul. 13 2011,4:47 pm
You are right Lib, their is a distinction.   Wiki describes it this way, as "Project" Gunrunner, and "Operation" Fast and Furious  (under Project Gunrunner)



ATF Project Gunrunner has a stated official objective to stop the sale and export of guns from the United States into Mexico in order to deny Mexican drug cartels the firearms considered "tools of the trade".[16] However, since September 2009 under Project Gunrunner, operation "Fast and Furious", did the opposite by ATF permitting, encouraging and facilitating 'straw purchase' firearm sales to traffickers, and allowing the guns to 'walk' and be transported to Mexico. This has resulted in the death of US border agent Brian Terry and considerable controversy.[17][18][19]

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,6:33 pm

(Liberal @ Jul. 13 2011,1:06 pm)
QUOTE
QUOTE

gun runner = Op Fast and Furious.

How can you buy into a conspiracy theory when you can't even keep the basic facts straight? Project Gunrunner was a national ATF program that was started in 2005 to reduce gun trafficking along the U.S.-Mexico Border. Operation Fast and Furious was a 2009 program in Arizona that shifted resources from seizing guns to identifying the network of buyers.

How do you figure this is a conspiracy?  
There is no conspiracy here, those ATF agents have laid everything on the line to clean this BS up, and Vince Cefalu is an upstanding guy and has even lost his job for being a whistle-blower.  

As I have said before go to < www.cleanupatf.org > and read, it is all there all of it, all of it is posted by ATF agents who worked on gunrunner/project Fast and Furious, you seem to refuse the notion that both of these are one in the same operation at different levels.  

But go ahead and keep the blinders on.  Your govt loves you.  :crazy:

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 13 2011,7:07 pm
< 7 signs that you're living in denial. >

“It's not denial. I'm just selective about the reality I accept.” - Bill Watterson, Creator of Calvin and Hobbes.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,10:58 pm
ATF agent Jay Dobyn speaks out

Dobyns, who shot to fame when he infiltrated the Hell’s Angels for the ATF said the DoJ has been involved in “a huge cover-up” over the Fast and Furious scandal.

Under the schemes, “straw buyers” were allowed to buy about 2,000 weapons, even though agents knew they would end up in the hands of Mexican cartel leaders. The plan was to track the guns so they would lead to the drug kingpins. But the plan went disastrously wrong and most of the guns disappeared. Weapons involved in the scheme have been linked to numerous murders in Mexico and the killing of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who died in December.

Dobyns said, “They don’t want this case and the details of it and the flawed strategy being exposed to the public I hold Eric Holder accountable for that because he is the attorney general, he is the leader of the Department of Justice, he oversees the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

“He either knew about it and didn’t do anything to stop it or he didn’t know about it and then ‘why are you asleep at the wheel when something like this is taking place?’ “

Just last week, Jesus Rejon Aguilar, an alleged founder of one of the most violent cartels, the Zetas gang, admitted to Mexican authorities, “All the weapons are bought in the United States,” adding, “Even the American government was selling the weapons.”

Aguilar was arrested on July 3. Among his alleged crimes is the murder of U.S. immigration officer Jaime Zapata, who was killed in February while on special assignment near San Luis Potosi in central Mexico. “Whatever you want, you can get,” Aguilar said in a videotaped interrogation with Mexican authorities.

Dobyns said ATF acting Director Kenneth Melson, who has told Congressional investigators that the DoJ tried to stop him giving evidence, also has to bear his share of the blame.

“Acting director or not, this is his baby,” said Dobyns, who wrote the New York Times bestseller “No Angel” about his Hell’s Angels investigation. “This took place on his watch.

“A U.S. Border Patrol agent called Brian Terry was murdered with guns that passed through an ATF operation. ICE agent Jaime Zapata was murdered with guns that allegedly came through this case. Hundreds of Mexican civilians, police officers, police chiefs have been murdered. A Mexican police helicopter was shot down with a gun that came through our control,” he pointed out.

Dobyns said Melson’s comment that he “felt sick to his stomach” when he learned the full extent of the schemes was “insulting.”

“It should be a little bit worse than that. It should be worse than a little bit of a sickening, nauseating feeling for him,” he said. “That is not good enough.”
Dobyns said ATF has a culture where mistakes are covered up rather than investigated. “It’s institutional arrogance,” he said. “The people that run the agency believe they are above the law, they believe they can do whatever they want.”

And he said current agents have no faith in the current leadership, which makes it even more imperative that Holder, Melson, and others at the top should be forced out if they won’t resign. “There are leaders that are committed to the mission, that know how to get the mission done. Unfortunately, those guys get buried.

“New blood with a sense of purpose and knowledge of what takes place on the street needs to be put in place.” When that happens, he said the enthusiasm of officers will return. “They want to go do their job, they just want to do it the right way.”

Last week, Issa and his Senate counterpart, Charles Grassley of Iowa, warned Holder not to fire Melson, as he had come forward with information that seemed to implicate the DoJ in a cover-up over the twin gunrunning schemes.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 13 2011,11:01 pm
Did Fast & Furious violate the Arms Export Control Act?

Posted by David Hardy · 12 July 2011 07:51 PM

First, the Arms Export Control Act, 22 USC §2778..[http://www.law.corne...e/22/2778.html] It authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export. In so doing, he must consider the possibility that export could "support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict..."

Those defense articles may not be exported without a permit, issued by the Secretary of State ( Department of State guidelines here [http://www.pmddtc.st...s_Firearms.pdf]), "except that no license shall be required for exports or imports made by or for an agency of the United States Government

( A ) for official use by a department or agency of the United States Government, or
( B ) for carrying out any foreign assistance or sales program authorized by law and subject to the control of the President by other means."


The firearms involved here were not being exported for official use by an agency, nor as part of foreign aid. This a lot narrower than the GCA exception for acts by a government agency, and for good reason: the purpose of this statute is to control executive agency actions. No gun running to foreign governments or persons without a paper trail (and in cases of large transactions, a prior request for Congressional approval).

Any person who willfully violates these provisions "shall upon conviction be fined for each violation not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."

There have been some reports of agents having directly transferred firearms to drug cartel buyers, in order to boost their "street creds." That'd clearly be a violation. In other situations, the person who actually exported the firearms would be in clear violation. But what of those government supervisors who allowed the arms to flow -- especially the cases where a protesting FFL was told to sell the guns anyway?

18 U.S. Code §2 [http://www.law.corne...2----000-.html] provides:

"§ 2. Principals

( a ) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.

( b ) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal."


Sure looks like it did.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 14 2011,11:37 pm
House Vote Derails Obama Gun Reporting Scheme
No funding for reporting!

Houston, Tx --(Ammoland.com)- BATF, on its own, does not have the authority to expand reporting on the sale of semi-automatic rifles.

The proposal was similar to multiple handgun sales reporting requirements which passed with the Brady Bill years ago. The threatened change would implement special reporting requirements for FFL dealers selling more than one semi-automatic rifle to a person within a 5 days and would effect Southwestern states that border Mexico: Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

The new requirement were expected to force ATF to generate 18,000 new reports in a year, not possible without additional funds and staff. Also, no one has any idea how this newly gathered information might be used. The acting president of the Brady Campaign last week characterized the additional burden for gun dealers and ATF as a “modest burden”.

NRA promised a lawsuit to fight any attempt by the Obama administration to implement long gun reporting requirements by executive order.

Whether the Obama administration and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder believed this could be done by executive decree or not is an unknown but the possibility was cut off at the pass today in Congress.

A Republican backed amendment to the 2012 Commerce, Justice and Science appropriations bill was offered by Montana Congressman Denny Rehberg. The amendment prohibited the use of Justice Department funding to enforce this new mandate. The amendment passed 25-16.

There is also speculation that the Obama administration used the diversion of the new reporting scheme as a smoke screen to distract attention from the growing scandal centered on botched gun trafficking stings which came to light in Mexico when drug cartel gunmen were found to have thousands of semi-automatic firearms provided by the U.S. government and walked across the border to lure cartel members. The government sting called “Fast and Furious” might be better label “Something and Far from Home” as U.S. agents and U.S. citizens were put in harm’s way and netted few if any arrests.

More such “gun-walking” stings have come to light in Arizona.

Add to this, Fox News in Tampa reported on July 10th, that leaders of a transnational organized crime gang, Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13, ordered a hit on a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent in New York.

The Fox report went on to say that BATF, the Tampa Division, operated a gun-running investigation which involved “walking guns” into Honduras. Using tactics similar to Fast and Furious, 1,000 guns were sold to the MS 13 gang buyers. Again, these guns are being used against our agents and our citizens.

Second Amendment rights will not be sacrificed to drug lords and criminals hiding in Mexico, a country with a historically corrupt government and whose citizens are prohibited gun-ownership by their country’s laws.

Any attempt by this administration to establish new law, either by administrative rules, executive order, or through Congress, will not be forgotten in the coming elections.
Also UNCONSTITUTIONAL to implement this via EO.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 15 2011,9:46 pm
Democrats to Introduce Gun Control Legislation Today

Democrat Representatives Maloney, Cummings and McCarthy, all members of the Minority on the House Oversight Committee chaired by Republican Congressman Issa, plan to hold a press conference tomorrow to announce new gun control anti-gun trafficking legislation in light of Operation Fast and Furious. The "Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act," is designed to "keep high powered firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals, including Mexican drug cartels."

   U.S. Representatives Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY), Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) will join other members and a leading law enforcement organization for an event Friday, July 15th, 11:00 a.m. at the House Triangle to introduce the “Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act,” which establishes a dedicated firearms trafficking statute to empower law enforcement to keep high-powered firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals, including Mexican drug cartels.

So let me get this straight, democrats want to punish law abiding Americans and impede on Second Amendment rights with new legislation "to prevent gun trafficking to Mexico," however, aren't willing to focus on the ATF and DOJ's role in deliberately putting high powered firearms into the hands of criminals including Mexican drug cartels? It doesn't matter how many gun control laws we have on the books if the federal government is willing to break them to push a political agenda, however, this is not surprising.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” –Special Agent John Dodson ATF Phoenix Field Division.

Damning new evidence from Capitol Hill shows that ATF Directors and Justice Department Officials knew about and encouraged the purposeful trafficking of thousands of weapons across the southern border, despite strong objections from ATF agents. Thousands of innocent lives were taken as the result, including those of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jamie Zapata.

The announcement of new legislation comes just a day after Townhall obtained emails showing Operation Fast and Furious was designed to promote gun control and four days after the DOJ Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who is under investigation for his involvement in the scandal, released new reporting requirements for multiple sales of certain semi-automatic rifles.

I don't think this legislation has much of a chance to make it through the house, and for good reason too.  This is a lame and UNCONSTITUTIONAL POS legislation.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 15 2011,10:16 pm
Posting by an ATF agent

Latest word is FBI and DEA have been told to make plans for folding ATF into their agencies.   Arson and Explosives will go to FBI. Gun enforcement and Industry Ops will go to DEA. At this point, it might be the best thing. Currently, ATF will have to lay off 400 employees if they go to 2008 budget constraints. No money for operations, just survival. I know DEA and FBI have their own problems, but at least they have more room to hide the idiots. ATF promotes theirs. Of course, we are much better at eating our own. This might be the end of ATF. As a gun owner and a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, I worry about the gun laws if the authority goes to the FBI. DEA might be a better fit. ATF gets pushed around by the NRA. They keep saying we have been without a director for 6 years, but it was Truscott before that, so... it has been a lot time since ATF had a truly strong director or accountability. I fear the only thing that will happen if ATF stays intact is the top people will be removed and their minions will take their place. Same type of people with different faces. No real changes. We also heard that Virginia O'Brien really did let guns go to Honduras. I don't know if that means they watched suspected straw purchasers buy guns and didn't confront them or they actually had UCs or CIs hand gun to traffickers. Of course, HQ is saying that Dodson while undercover actually handed guns purchased with agent cashier funds to firearms traffickers in another case prior to F&F. That is why he was in trouble in the first place and he is only trying to deflect attention away from his own misdeeds. It will be nice if he testifies again and he can set the record straight and show how the 5th floor tries to slander people. What is next, Dobyns shot Kennedy and Vince faked the moon landings.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 16 2011,12:10 am
What's his name?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 16 2011,12:14 am
I don't know, he just goes by the screen name ATFTruthTeller as he wishes to remain anonymous, other than that he has 20+ yrs of service.  

I guess I don't blame him for not wanting to reveal his name, as retribution might ensue.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 16 2011,10:16 am
The latest from Proceso Digital: ATF did not inform Honduran government of "walked" firearms.
< Original Article >
Translation:

   Guns Trafficking: Defense and Security Unknown Operation in Honduras

   July 14, 2011

   Tegucigalpa – In Honduras, the Ministers of Defense and of Security, Marlon Pascua and Oscar Alvarez, said they had no idea that there was present in this Central American country the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) which had organized an operation to infiltrate guns into Honduras using the same tactics of “Operation Fast and Furious” in Mexico.

   “We have no idea of the truth of the same, but I can assure you, and we have been insisting for some time, is that the guns that have been appearing here in Honduras and the guns that have been directed to the drug cartels in Mexico and in Colombia, are not guns that have originated from armories of the armed forces nor of the police.”

   Reports from the Fox News Network earlier this week indicate that there are reports that the ATF established an operation using the same techniques and tactics as in “Operation Fast and Furious.” The journalistic history by Mike Vanderboegh indicates that his sources in the ATF in Tampa indicate that 1,000 of these guns were sold to gang members in Honduras.

   On this subject, Security Minister Oscar Alvarez said that they were not advised of the operation that the ATF would have carried out in Honduras in which, he said, there never was any coordination, either.

   “At no time have we been advised, nor have we had any request for any kind of coordination much less have I been in communication with the embassy of the United States here in Tegucigalpa, he emphasized.

   Regarding the seizures of arsenals in Honduras, he said that they are going “to analyze the serial numbers and check with technicians in the United States so we can find out where these batches of guns came from,” said Alvarez, in a way that left room for not ruling out the ATF operation in Honduras.

   In September of 2010, A. Brian Albritton, an attorney from the United States, held a press conference dealing with those charged in Operation Castaway (four of them Hondurans). At the same time he affirmed that the investigation revealed that guns were trafficked to Honduras so that they could later be distributed to drug trafficking cartels and paramilitary groups.

   Albritton affirmed that he did not know if the gun trafficking in question was part of an ATF operation.

Honduras – United States: Unveil Details of Gun Trafficking

July 12, 2011

Author of the article: Digital Process

Tegucigalpa – According to a Fox News report on Sunday, July 10, there are reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its Tampa division, organized an operation to infiltrate guns into Honduras using the techniques and tactics of “Operation Fast and Furious.”

In the article, Mike Vanderboegh, the journalist who uncovered the history [link to Sipsey Street’s current page], said that his sources in the Tampa office of the ATF indicate that 1,000 guns were sold to members of Honduran gangs.

(MBV: 1000 is an overall guess by one source. 200 is certain.)

On September 21, 2010, attorney A. Brian Albritton had a news conference dealing with those charged in Operation Castaway (four of them Hondurans). At the same time he revealed that guns were trafficked to Honduras so they could later be distributed to drug trafficking gangs and paramilitary groups.

Albritton affirmed that he did not know that the trafficked guns in question were part of the ATF operation.

Following is a rough translation by Digital Process of the relevant extracts of the press conference:

The United States Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Service (ICE) announce the results of an international investigation into the trafficking of firearms.

According to court records, a group of accused connected with Hugh Crumpler III engaged in an important gun trafficking operation. Crumpler has trafficked over five years 1,000 guns to various groups and the accused have exported these guns in Central and South America and Puerto Rico.

Seems this rabbit hole is getting deeper, just how deep does it go?

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 16 2011,1:01 pm
So you really don't know if that clown is even an ATF agent? For all you know it could be me posting that stuff. :rofl:

Do you think everyone that believes in these conspiracies are maybe just a little gullible?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 16 2011,4:44 pm

(Liberal @ Jul. 16 2011,1:01 pm)
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So you really don't know if that clown is even an ATF agent? For all you know it could be me posting that stuff. :rofl:

Do you think everyone that believes in these conspiracies are maybe just a little gullible?

I see, so anyone who is going to make ripples on a message board HAS to use their real name.  And some of the people here must be fake as well since they don't use their real name either when pointing out things that might get them a little flack at work.  Or is it a different standard between lil ol Albert Lea, and someone who works for the Federal govt?

When I blast my company for the BS that they do, or to make fun of a supervisor, to draw attention to something illegal that the company is doing, or just to cause problems, I use a screen name, mainly because I don't want to get called into the boss's office and have to explain myself and the whole dumb "you are not a team player" BS.

If he wasn't on the up and up on the ATF forum, they would have called him out by now, he is privy to alot of SOP and internal workings at the ATF and has posted some quite interesting things about his superiors.

And you seem to think this is all a conspiracy huh? :dunno:
Are you that blind to the evidence that has been submitted to Grassly and Issa by ATF agents and now Melson (who by the way is the acting director for ATF).

You must like the current actions of the ATF for you to doubt this scandal.  But go on, and live a lie, govt is father, govt is mother, govt loves you.

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 16 2011,4:57 pm
How hard is it to convince a bunch of conspiracy nuts that you're someone that works for the government? How would you know he's privy to a lot of operating procedures of the ATF?

How is it possible to believe every conspiracy theory? Or is there one that you don't believe?

Do you believe Obama was born in America?
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you believe that the twin towers were taken down with explosives?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 16 2011,5:09 pm
Just like all govt loving liberals, they want someone else to do the work for them or hold their hand, because that is what they do best, being told what to believe and be good little slaves.
Why don't you head over to cleanupatf.org and find out yourself, you have a computer, log on and read it.  It is there, but you refuse to read.  Instead you like to sit in your little rose colored world and deny that a govt agency would do such a thing, denial just isn't a river in Egypt you know.

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Do you believe Obama was born in America?
Do you believe we landed on the moon?
Do you believe that the twin towers were taken down with explosives?


Moot and has nothing to do with a rouge ATF.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 16 2011,6:13 pm






< jay-dobyns-excellent-interview-with-david-codrea >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 18 2011,3:59 pm
Hezbollah in Mexico--and not arming themselves through any 'gun show loophole'

Business Insider bears the alarming news that the Iran-supported terrorist group Hezbollah is busy establishing a presence in Mexico and elsewhere in Latin America:

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Islamic terrorist groups are setting up shop in Mexico and forming alarming ties with the country's brutal drug cartels, according to a 2010 internal memo from the Tucson Police Department.


The memo (pdf file) referred to here was not intended for public consumption, and came to light only after the hacker group LulzSec hacked into Arizona Department of Public Safety computers.

Well that's unnerving, especially given the fact that, according to the Violence Policy Center (VPC), the U.S. civilian gun market is a "virtually unregulated bazaar of military-style firearms," which is routinely heavily utilized by the Mexican drug cartels (Hezbollah's new buddies, remember).  On top of that, American-born Al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gadahn says any aspiring jihadist in the U.S. can just pop into the nearest gun show, and buy "a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card" (my emphasis added).

Except that's not what's happening.  From the memo:

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In July of this year, Mexican authorities arrested Jameel Nasr in Tijuana, Baja California. Nasr was alleged to be tasked with establishing the Hezbollah network in Mexico and throughout South America. In April of last year, the arrest of Jamal Yousef – in New York City - exposed a weapons cache of 100 M- 16 assault rifles, 100 AR-15 rifles, 2,500 hand grenades, C4 explosives and antitank munitions. According to Yousef, the weapons, which were being stored in Mexico, had been stolen from Iraq with the help of his cousin who was a member of Hezbollah.


Stolen from Iraq, and then smuggled across an ocean to Mexico, when there's a "virtually unregulated bazaar of military-style firearms" to shop from right here?

Of course, not every wannabe jihadist has a cousin in Iraq to help him steal weapons there.  No problem--there's plenty of firepower to be had all over Latin America--and that's without the Obama government "walking" guns to killers in Mexico and Honduras.
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So in the face of heavily armed terrorists who consider killing Americans to be a free ticket to paradise, gathering just across our very cursorily secured border with Mexico, what would the forcible citizen disarmament advocates have us do?  Make it more difficult for us to obtain firearms to defend ourselves, and mandate that the firearms available to us be less capable.

Just whose side are they on?

< link to Tuscon Memo >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 18 2011,4:08 pm
New Mexico connection--innocent citizen jailed for cooperating with ATF

So far in the continually unfolding story of historic corruption and scandal at the Department of Justice and its bureau, the ATF, the focus has been primarily upon Phoenix and Tampa. Another possible connection surfaced last week involving the Houston, Texas field office of the ATF.

However, in the growing media frenzy that has resulted from irrefutable, bombshell evidence implicating the DOJ and the ATF in an illegal scheme to place American guns into the hands of Mexican and Honduran criminals, yet another connection has been largely overlooked involving the state of New Mexico and ATF field agents in the small border town of Columbus, NM.

The importance of the New Mexico connection lies in the fact that an innocent citizen sits in jail on bogus charges, charges that fail to recognize that his 'crimes' involved nothing more than doing what he was told by law enforcement acting on behalf of ATF agents as they made straw purchases of firearms from his gun shop in Columbus.

Ian Garland owns and operates 'Chapparel Guns' in Chapparel, New Mexico, which is located near Columbus. In late 2009 or early 2010 the police chief and mayor of Columbus came into Garland's store and told him that they wished to purchase high-powered firearms--AK-47s--to give to their families for protection against Mexican drug cartels. According to records, Garland followed the law, obtaining the necessary background checks, completing the required paperwork, and receiving the expressed agreement of the ATF.  

What Ian Garland did not know is that he had just participated in an ATF scheme to walk U.S. guns into Mexico. For this, he sits in jail where he has been since March, without bail. His public defender offered him a plea bargain--tell the judge that he knew where the guns were going (to Mexico), which he did not know, and he can get out of jail. In other words, Garland's plea bargain is that in exchange for being released from jail he must lie.

While behind bars Garland wrote a lengthy handwritten letter in which he described what took place. That letter is reproduced in 6 parts < Here >,< Here >,< Here >,< Here >,< Here > and < Here >. It is an excruciating story of how the life of one innocent citizen was totally ruined by corrupt agents of the federal government. His house, his business, his animals, his good name are all gone. And his wife is on the verge of a complete mental breakdown.
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But why? Why would the ATF throw an innocent man in jail and charge him with multiple felonies involving weapons trafficking?

And Garland is not the only one. The police chief and mayor of Columbus, New Mexico--along with 9 other citizens of the town--have been similarly charged.

To understand the reason for this gross injustice, one must grasp the mindset that is currenty entrenched in the ATF and the Department of Justice under Eric Holder. Obeying the law is not a requirement. What matters is the agenda that must be propagated at all costs. If the law gets in the way, it must be broken, and if caught, a coverup must ensue.

It already has been established that the DOJ and the ATF are presently involved in such a coverup. Project Gunwalker--Operation Fast and Furious--has been exposed. Now the goal is to try to salvage what little reputation is left for the ATF. Thus, the indictments against Ian Garland and over a dozen citizens in Columbus, New Mexico. The indictments were handed down with great fanfare and publicity, supposedly to show that the stellar ATF is doing its job in catching criminals, as this report from Salem News indicates:

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   ...last week, ATF, along with ICE, announced that 11 people in the small border town of Columbus, N.M., including the mayor and police chief, had been indicted on gun-trafficking charges.

   From the ATF’s PR announcement on the indictment in Columbus:

   The indictment alleges that, between January 2010 and March 2011, the defendants engaged in a conspiracy to purchase firearms for illegal export to Mexico. During this 14-month period, the defendants allegedly purchased about 200 firearms from "Chaparral Guns," a store owned and operated by defendant Ian Garland.

   But in the case of both of these “good stories,” the facts not included in the PR spin raise some serious questions as to what is really going on behind the curtains of the drug war.


Those 'facts not included in the PR spin' are that ATF whistleblowers inside the bureau have indicated, with proof, that it is the ATF itself that is overflowing with criminals.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 18 2011,4:38 pm
ATF Death Watch 40: Come On In! The Water’s Fine!

You just knew this was gonna happen. Here we’ve been focusing on the ATF lo these many weeks. And now the shockwaves emanating from Fast n’ Furious are rippling out to other alphabetic agencies in the ObamaNation. Think the ATF could get in this much trouble and screw up this badly without some big-time help from it’s sister-agencies? Think again, because reports are starting to surface that the FBI is neck-deep in kimchee, right along with our friends from the ATF&E (and sometimes Really Big Fires). And here at < TTAG >, we’re not too big to say “I told you so.”

Remember that book, Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten? Well, aside from the fact that some of the cowboys over ATF way have been acting like a bunch of spoiled brats about to get sent to their room for a Really Long Time-Out, there are some other lessons from the playground that might well be applied here. First up, the Rule of Mutually-Assured (Self-)Destruction.

You know what I mean. When a kid is Hell-bent on devilment at recess, first thing he’s gonna do is to enlist the help of some other bully. Why? A) a bully on your team is a bully you don’t have to worry about playing for the other side, and B) the other bully isn’t liable to rat you out to the teacher, if you’ve got the goods on him.

We know, for instance, that Fast n’ Furious was what they euphemistically refer to as a joint agency task force, wherein one agency can’t hack it alone, and has to offer the other kids a chance to play with the agency’s toys, in exchange for their help.

Anthony Martin over at the Examiner.com has a scoop that suggests (read: “emphatically describes”) the FBI is in even deeper than the ATF in this mess. Check out this story from the Los Angeles Times: Gun-smuggling cartel figures possibly were paid FBI informants. Aside from the clumsy title, the piece lays it all out in black and white.

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   Congressional investigators probing the controversial “Fast and Furious” anti-gun-trafficking operation on the border with Mexico believe at least six Mexican drug cartel figures involved in gun smuggling also were paid FBI informants, officials said Saturday.

   The investigators have asked the FBI and the Drug Enforcement Administration for details about the alleged informants, as well as why agents at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran the Fast and Furious operation, were not told about them.


If I were FBI Director Robert Mueller, I’d be looking over at his boss, Attorney General Eric Holder, and saying something like “I got a bad feelin’ about this, Sundance.” In fact, when you think about it, this whole mess is beginning to read like some B-movie Western script.

You know, the one where the bad guy/robber baron (that would be Obama) is trying to steal all the land from the peaceful ranchers (that would be private gun owners), and gets his hired guns (ATF) and the corrupt sheriff (FBI) to go plant some evidence (oh, say of guns in the hands of hostile Indian tribes) and gets some of the honest deputies shot to Hell and gone. (Agents Terry & Zapata). The robber baron gets his hand caught in the cookie jar, when some of the ranchers recognize members of the band of cutthroats behind the kerchiefs covering their faces. (Seeings how effective the ATF/FBI ops were, perhaps they had the kerchiefs over their eyes instead of their noses and mouths.)

But even though they get caught red-handed, the robber baron brazenly goes ahead with his plan to take control of the valley, pass all sorts of new laws (that would be the Executive Orders) and generally point to the failed op as proof positive there’s a problem that only his heavy-handed control can solve. Um…Hell YEAH, there’s a problem, pal! It’s YOU! YOU’RE the problem – you and your bunch of thugs that resemble the Gang That Couldn’t Shoot Straight more than the Magnificent Seven. Sheesh!ˆ

We’ve seen this movie before. In the cinema, the bad guy never wins. The Lone Ranger and Tonto, John Wayne, Audie Murphy – SOMEbody shows up that understands that Law and Order is more than a cop show on NBC, stops the bad guys, rights the wrongs, and saves the farm.

Only this isn’t the movies. What I wanna know is where in the Wide, Wide World o’ Sports are Woodward and Bernstein, or their modern-day equivalents? I mean, don’t those guys still have the fire in their bellies? Don’t they smell a good story and see “Pulitzer Prize” written all over it, then jump to cover it? They are still alive, aren’t they? I don’t know I think this is further evidence (as if we needed any) that traditional journalism has lost all credibility, and the modern-day Woodward and Bernstein won’t be found behind a battered Smith-Corona or IBM Selectric at the WaPo, but is far more likely to be found in some den, hunched over a cheap Dell laptop, combing through sources, making calls, and exposing the villains for who they really are.

Seriously, the FBI? I mean, I’m not surprised, but I was kind holding out hope that the Fibbies would retain at least a little credibility, so we could have someone to turn too, once the ATF gets the bureaucratic version of the death penalty, and be able to point to them and say, “Well, at least these guys aren’t willing to break laws just to get their agenda in play.” But nooooooooooo! We’ve gotta have yet again another agency willing to do anything, say anything (or in this case NOT say anything, as in “withholding evidence”), or hide anything to have their way.

But there is another side to this story. All that inter-departmental cooperation and joint task-forcing stuff? That requires approval of the bosses. The head of the ATF and the head of the FBI can’t just wake up one morning and decide to have a bromance. They gotta go ask Dad’s permission first. Now let’s see…who do the FBI and ATF report to? Oh, yeah. They are both direct reports to Eric Holder, the U.S. Attorney General.

That means he was aware of the project well before it blew up. And it also means he is responsible for what happens on his watch, regardless of how much knowledge he had/has of the inner workings of the project. But let’s look at this logically. We’ve seen the movie, remember. Thugs don’t make the plans. They carry them out. It’s the big guy and his lieutenants that make the plans.

So I’ve got in mind a scene from a movie. We’ll remake it. I’m gonna cast Obama and Holder as Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Forget Melson and Mueller. They don’t have the box office draw of the superstars of politics. Let me set the scene. It’s the very end of the flick. Butch and Sundance are holed up in a shack in a valley in Bolivia. The Pinkerton man has tracked them down, and has the shack completely surrounded. We’ll get Issa to play the Pinkerton detective, and Grassley will be in charge of the Senators, uh…Federales. Obama looks at Holder and says “who ARE these guys?”

Then Holder and Obama throw the door open and run out, guns blazing. Fade to white. Or black. (I’m easy.) Cut. Print. It’s a wrap.

< More ATF Death Watch >

Posted by Liberal on Jul. 18 2011,9:42 pm
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Why don't you head over to cleanupatf.org and find out yourself, you have a computer, log on and read it.  It is there, but you refuse to read.  Instead you like to sit in your little rose colored world and deny that a govt agency would do such a thing, denial just isn't a river in Egypt you know.

The site is called cleanupatf.org and you consider this an unbiased, facts based source?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 18 2011,9:56 pm

(Liberal @ Jul. 18 2011,9:42 pm)
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Why don't you head over to cleanupatf.org and find out yourself, you have a computer, log on and read it.  It is there, but you refuse to read.  Instead you like to sit in your little rose colored world and deny that a govt agency would do such a thing, denial just isn't a river in Egypt you know.

The site is called cleanupatf.org and you consider this an unbiased, facts based source?

Biased because it is owned and operated by an ATF agent?

Oh, thats right, an employee isn't suppose to question his superiors and speak out when things are done illegally.  Guess I never got that memo on how to be bullied by a boss and never speak out.  Heaven forbid to challenge authority.

Facts are facts and if you see that the truth as being biased, well thats your problem not mine.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 19 2011,8:33 pm
ATF Director: DOJ Response to Fast and Furious Investigation Intended to Protect Political Appointees
Chairman Issa and Senator Grassley Press Attorney General Holder with Key Testimony

WASHINGTON, D.C. – Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member Chuck Grassley today pressed Attorney General Eric Holder about the Justice Department's unsatisfactory responses and lack of cooperation with an investigation into the highly controversial Operation Fast and Furious. A letter sent by the two lead investigators highlighted testimony indicating internal disputes within the Justice Department and a statement from the Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) that the Justice Department is attempting to protect its political appointees.

"It was very frustrating to all of us, and it appears thoroughly to us that the Department is really trying to figure out a way to push the information away from their political appointees at the Department," ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson said of his frustration with the Justice Department's response to the investigation in a transcribed interview.

"The Department should not be withholding what Mr. Melson described as the 'smoking gun' report of investigation or Mr. Melson's emails regarding the wiretap applications," wrote Issa and Grassley. "Mr. Melson said he reviewed the affidavits in support of the wiretap applications for the first time after the controversy became public and immediately contacted the Deputy Attorney General's office to raise concerns about information in them that was inconsistent with the Department's public denials. The Department should also address the serious questions raised by Mr. Melson's testimony regarding potential informants for other agencies."

< Letter from Grassley and Issa to Holder >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 22 2011,11:28 pm
Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas
It’s a stunning allegation that makes the other gunrunning scandals look like child’s play.

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

   Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

   Robert “Tosh” Plumlee, a former CIA contract pilot, told the Times he supported Jordan’s allegations, adding that the Zetas have reportedly bought property in the Columbus, N.M., border region to stash weapons and other contraband.

   “From the intel, it appears that a company was set up in Mexico to purchase weapons through the U.S. Direct Commercial Sales Program, and that the company may have had a direct link to the Zetas.”

The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. It regulates and licenses private U.S. companies’ overseas sales of weapons and other defense materials, defense services, and military training. This does not include the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which authorized sales to foreign governments.

An El Paso Times article – as of now ignored by mainstream media — went into much more < Shocking Detail: >
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   “They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

   “The information about the arms trafficking was provided to our U.S. authorities long before the ‘Columbus 11′ investigation began,” said Plumlee, referring to recent indictments accusing several Columbus city officials of arms trafficking in conjunction with alleged accomplices in El Paso and Chaparral, N.M.

   Jesús Rejón Aguilar, the number three man in the Zeta’s hierarchy, disclosed last week that the Zetas bought weapons in the United States and transported them across the Rio Grande. Mexican federal authorities captured Rejón on July 3 in the state of Mexico, and presented him to the news media the next day. His recorded video statement was uploaded on YouTube.

   Jordan agreed with Plumlee’s allegations that the Zetas are operating in the Columbus-Palomas border.

   Plumlee, who has testified before U.S. congressional committees about arms and drug trafficking, said the roads in Southern New Mexico provide smugglers easy access to Mexico’s highway networks.


Insight.org provides a map of the air-smuggling route originating in Dallas at Alliance Airport and ending in Columbus, New Mexico — a small town that has also been rocked by the arrests and guilty pleas of the town mayor and other elected officials who were running guns to a cartel safehouse, and then apparently into Mexico.

There is no direct link made as of yet between the Columbus, NM, officials case and the allegations of the Dallas-to-Columbus air smuggling route, but the possible connection should raise eyebrows.
If these allegations can be verified: what on Earth was the State Department thinking supplying the direct sale of military weapons to a cartel front company? Weapons that were then smuggled out of the very airport used by the Drug Enforcement Agency charged with bringing down the cartels?

Anthony Martin at the Examiner brings up one of the most damning and compelling questions that the State Department and Obama administration must answer if this story is true:
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   The program is set up so that the sale of U.S. guns to foreign entities involve direct negotiations with the governments of those countries purchasing the weapons. The description of the program specifically states that it regulates the sale of U.S. firearms to other countries or international organizations.

   How, then, did a drug cartel purchase weapons through this program when it is neither an international organization nor a government?


At The Truth About Guns, Brad Kozak opines:
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   The ATF was not the only ones running guns to Mexico. Apparently the State Department was playing, too. And then consider this angle — was the State Department competing with the ATF for the hearts and minds of the Mexican drug trade?

   …

   If the ATF is supplying the Sinaloas (with Calderón’s tacit approval and/or help) and State is playing for the Zetas, where does that leave the rest of America?


It sounds like a fictional thriller, but considering what we’ve already learned of Operation Fast and Furious, the Justice Department, and the possibility of even more gunrunning operations (Operation Castaway) out of DOJ, is a rival program being run out of State really a bizarre accusation?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 22 2011,11:31 pm
Gunwalker: Justice Dept. Inspector General Opens Investigation
The IG is looking into charges of illegal retaliation against the ATF whistleblowers.

Operation Fast and Furious — and other alleged “gunwalker” programs — only ended when whistleblowers came forward from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) after a firefight in Rio Rico, Arizona, left Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry dead.

NPR – yes, NPR – is now reporting that the Department of Justice inspector general is launching an investigation into whether or not the DOJ illegally retaliated against one of the agents that revealed the gunwalking plot:

   The Justice Department’s inspector general has opened an investigation into possible retaliation against a whistleblowing agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, according to two people briefed on the inquiry.

   Watchdogs are examining whether anyone at the Justice Department improperly released internal correspondence to try to smear ATF agent John Dodson, who told the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee last month that he repeatedly warned supervisors about what he called a reckless law enforcement operation known as “Fast and Furious.”

The inspector general is attempting to determine if Obama’s Justice Department leaked one of Dodson’s internal memos to reporters in order to discredit him.

Senator Charles Grassley has warned the Department of Justice repeatedly not to attack whistleblowers, apparently with little effect:

   “I’ve warned the administration several times not to retaliate against the whistle-blowers who speak to Congress,” Grassley wrote in an email to NPR Thursday. “Unfortunately, there are indications that the administration leaked Privacy Act-protected documents to the press in an effort to discredit Mr. Dodson with half-truths even though those documents had been withheld from Congress. It’s a very serious matter that should be thoroughly investigated.”

The Justice Department has been ruthless in dealing with the whistleblowers, who have blown the lid off an operation that saw the director-level involvement of every law enforcement entity within the DOJ, in addition to the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), and likely the State Department.

In addition to retaliating against Dodson, the DOJ stands accused of firing 30-year ATF Agent Vince Cefalu for his role in bringing this and other illegal operations to light at a website he helped found: CleanUpATF.org.

Cefalu ran afoul of the DOJ for criticizing the ATF for previous questionable operations, but his termination seems to have been in response to his stating that those government entities that participated in Gunwalker should be tried as criminals for conspiring to traffic in firearms.

Cefalu also claims that an Obama administration meme that large-scale gun smuggling operations were supplying the cartels was false, which likely drew even more scrutiny.

In addition to allegations that the DOJ participated in attempting to smear and fire ATF whistleblowers, the Department stands accused of trying to stonewall congressional oversight investigations into Operation Fast and Furious — first by stopping Acting ATF Director Ken Melson from testifying at a House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform about what he knew of the operation:

   The Justice Department blocked senior ATF leaders from cooperating with Congress in its investigation of the “Fast and Furious” weapons operation, ordering them not to respond to questions and taking full control of replying to briefing and document requests, the agency’s top boss told congressional investigators.

   Kenneth E. Melson, the embattled acting director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told Senate Judiciary Committee and House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform investigators during a secret interview designed to circumvent Justice Department attorneys that he was “sick to his stomach” when he learned about problems with the controversial operation.

Melson was eventually told by Congressman Darrell Issa’s office that he did not have to testify with DOJ attorneys present. Once he was “free” of DOJ lawyers, he gave direct testimony to congressional investigators with only his own private lawyer present and without DOJ minders, much to the dismay of his superiors.

To date, not all of Melson’s testimony has been released — it is apparently being withheld in a game of high stakes brinkmanship as Issa and Grassley face down a recalcitrant administration.

Acting DOJ Inspector General Cynthia Schnedar would be wise to keep the results of her investigations into the alleged Dodson leak, Fast and Furious, and any other gunrunning investigations that may develop for as long as is practically possible. As Gerald Walpin discovered the hard way, the Obama administration isn’t kind to inspector generals that are  determined to do their jobs.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 25 2011,9:27 pm
Feds Silent on How Convicted Felons Bought Guns in 'Operation Fast and Furious'

EXCLUSIVE: In the latest chapter of the gunrunning scandal known as Operation Fast and Furious, federal officials won't say how two suspects obtained more than 360 weapons despite criminal records that should have prevented them from buying even one gun.

Under current federal law, people with felony convictions are not permitted to buy weapons, and those with felony arrests are typically flagged while the FBI conducts a thorough background check.
Related Slideshow

Suspected ‘Straw Buyers’ Helped Traffic Guns From Arizona to Mexico, Say Officials

ATF’s failed Operation Fast and Furious allowed straw buyers, or those who legally purchased guns and illegally sell them to a third party, to walk guns into Mexico.  Here are some of the suspected buyers who bought hundreds of guns while under surveillance by the ATF.

However, according to court records reviewed by Fox News, two of the 20 defendants indicted in the Fast and Furious investigation have felony convictions and criminal backgrounds that experts say, at the very least, should have delayed them buying a single firearm. Instead, the duo bought dozens of guns on multiple occasions while federal officials watched on closed-circuit cameras.  

Congressional and law-enforcement sources say the situation suggests the FBI, which operates the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, knowingly allowed the purchases to go forward after consulting with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which initiated Operation Fast and Furious.

Under the failed anti-gun trafficking program, straw buyers -- those who legally purchase guns and illegally sell them to a third party -- were allowed to buy guns, many of which were sold to Mexican drug cartel members and subsequently lost. Related to the case, the U.S. government in May charged Manuel Osorio-Arellanes with killing Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry last year using a gun purchased through the program.

Court documents show the breakdown involves suspects Jacob Wayne Chambers, 21, and Sean Christopher Stewart, 28, both of Phoenix. Police arrested Chambers for felony burglary and trafficking stolen property in 2008, a year before he began buying more than 70 guns that ended up in the hands of the Sinaloa cartel. Stewart pled guilty to resisting arrest and criminal damage in 2001 and was arrested on drug charges in 2010. He was also charged with violating an order of protection and a local municipal court issued a warrant for his arrest. Stewart purchased 290 weapons.

"You cannot sanction the violation of federal law by enabling or co-enabling prohibited persons, which includes felony convictions, from purchasing firearms," said Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., a former federal prosecutor and a member of the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee, which is investigating the botched ATF operation. Gowdy said he would discuss the apparent violation with committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

When asked about the breakdown, Stephen Fischer, a spokesman for the NICS System, said the FBI had no comment. However, an ATF agent who worked on the Fast and Furious investigation, told Fox News that NICS officials called the ATF in Phoenix whenever their suspects tried to buy a gun. That conversation typically led to a green light for the buyers, when it should have stopped them.

The apparent corruption of the system concerns Gowdy. "It is unconscionable and goes beyond just being a terribly ill-conceived investigation to bordering, if not crossing, into criminal activity," he said.

The investigation into why these men were able to purchase weapons and this sting operation gone wrong continues on Tuesday. The House Oversight Committee will hold a third hearing, focusing on what was happening on the other side of the border in Mexico.

The former and current ATF attachés to Mexico will testify that their agency never informed them of this operation.

Issa and his colleagues will also have their first opportunity to question ATF supervisors who have defended Operation Fast and Furious and the Justice Department's decisions to committee investigators.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 25 2011,9:35 pm
From ATF agent and webmaster of < clean up atf >

Many of us here at CUATF.org used to believe that Kenneth Melson was simply another clueless career bureaucrat, who, although he might not be a bad guy personally, had not the slightest idea what was really happening in the agency he was supposedly responsible for "leading". Although that would make him patently incompetent (which seems to have been rather conclusively established at this point), many of us gave him a certain benefit of the doubt in terms of personal integrity. That misconception has now been irrevocably clarified.

The simple fact is that Kenneth Melson is a bald-faced LIAR.

In the interview shown below, Melson states that he has an "open door" policy. However, on the basis of repeated conduct, such a claim is an unequivocal lie. A significant number of employees have, while using their real names, attempted in good faith to make Melson aware as to just how screwed up ATF is in terms of managerial malfeasance, corruption and unlawful conduct, only to either be retaliated against, or to receive nothing but a big, fat cold shoulder.

"Open-Door" Policy? Our ass.

You might also recall that when confronted about the fact that Whistleblower Special Agent Vince Cefalu had been deliberately relegated to twiddling his thumbs all day (at significant taxpayer expense) by his vicious, retaliatory, corrupt, perjuring managers (who all work directly for Kenny-Boy, Melson told the nation, "Not on my watch". However, Melson then proceeded to do precisely NOTHING about that ridiculous abuse of taxpayer monies (and complete waste of Cefalu's 25 years of top-notch training, experience and accomplishments), and Cefalu remains in the same basket-weaving status to this very day, more than a YEAR after Melson's shameless whoppers.

Once again, there is a word for what Melson did; it's called LYING. You are a professional prevaricator, Melson...an unmitigated, unadulterated, dyed-in-the-wool fibber. You might manage to somehow save your own ass in this ginormic fiasco you have overseen, but you're still a liar by any reasonable measure.

Also, you'll note that Melson laughably contradicts himself in the most amateurish manner by first pompously stating that he personally blocked < www.CleanUpATF.org > (from access through government computers) "because no employee should be exposed to such lies and distortions" (in so many words), but in the same breath, saying that he encourages employees to visit the site(!), as long as it's on their own time. Only the most dronishly jaded lifelong federal bureaucrat could make such an incomprehensibly muddled and logically incompatible statement.

Ken Melson, you are a disgrace and a stain on the honor of decent, hard-working law enforcement agents. You have failed miserably in your duties as Acting Director of ATF, a position for which you were clearly not qualified or competent. We call on you to resign immediately and spare yourself, ATF, DOJ and this nation further embarrassment.


Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 26 2011,3:39 pm
This will make you sick. Read the Congressional report released in the early morning hours before the hearings. Then ask yourself this.

Melson still has a job? Hoover? Chait, McMahon, Newell, Gillett, Voth all still have jobs? They got McMahon on perjury before Congress! Melson clearly lied.

And they want to fire Vince Cefalu?

What is anyone with any balls at DOJ waiting for? Leaderless is an understatment.


< ATF pdf file >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 26 2011,3:55 pm
ATF Death Watch 44: ATF, ICE, DEA, & IRS Implicated in Gunwalker

During today’s Oversight hearing, the Former ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division admitted to the Congressional Committee that the Internal Revenue Service, Drug Enforcement Agency, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agencies all kew about—and participated in—Operation Fast and Furious. Does William Newell’s testimony blow the Gunwalker scandal wide open? If not, it bloody well should. The admission further undermines any claim from the White House that Department of Justice jefe Eric Holder knew nothing about guns allowed to flow to the Mexican drug cartels. Also guilty by association and, I suspect, direct knowledge: the President of the United States.





source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 26 2011,4:22 pm
Issa: Obama admin intimidating witnesses in ATF gun probe

The Obama administration sought to intimidate witnesses into not testifying to Congress on Tuesday about whether ATF knowingly allowed weapons, including assault rifles, to be “walked” into Mexico, the chairman of a House committee investigating the program said in an interview Monday.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said at least two scheduled witnesses expected to be asked about a controversial weapons investigation known as “Fast and Furious”received warning letters from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to limit their testimony.

Mr. Issa's committee is set to hear testimony from six current or former ATF employees, including agents and attaches assigned to the bureau’s offices in Mexico, about the operation — in which, federal agents say, they were told to stand down and watch as guns flowed from U.S. dealers in Arizona to violent criminals and drug cartels in Mexico.

The six-term lawmaker aired his concerns about the program in a wide-ranging interview with reporters and editors at The Washington Times on Monday.

Among other questions, the agents are likely to be asked about a large volume of guns showing up in Mexico that were traced back to the Fast and Furious program; whether ATF officials in that country expressed concerns about the weapons to agency officials in the U.S., only to be brushed aside; and whether ATF officials in Arizona denied ATF personnel in Mexico access to information about the operation.

Nearly 50 weapons linked to the Fast and Furious program have been recovered to date in Mexico. Committee investigators said Mexican authorities also were denied information about the operation.



Mr. Issa also said he is certain the Fast and Furious operation was known by most top officials at the Justice Department and that Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. either knew and misled Congress, or was so out of the loop that he’s guilty of mismanagement.

“How is it that the No. 2, 3, 4 at Justice all knew about this program, but the No. 1 didn’t?,” Mr. Issa said. “Is it because he said ‘don’t tell me’? Is it because they knew what they were doing is wrong, and they were protecting their boss? Or is it that Eric Holder is just so disconnected … ?

“Whichever it is — he knew and he’s lied to Congress, or he didn’t know, and he’s so detached that he wasn’t doing his job — that really probably is for the administration to make a decision on, sooner not later,” Mr. Issa said.

Those scheduled to testify are William McMahon, ATF deputy assistant director for field operations in Phoenix and Mexico; William Newell, former ATF special agent in charge at the Phoenix field division; Carlos Canino, ATF acting attache to Mexico; Darren Gil, former ATF attache to Mexico; Jose Wall, ATF senior agent in Tijuana, Mexico; and Lorren Leadmon, ATF intelligence operations specialist.

But after receiving subpoenas, at least two of the agents got letters from ATF Associate Chief Counsel Barry S. Orlow warning them to keep certain areas off-limits, including those still under investigation. Neither of the targeted agents was identified.

Mr. Issa said at least one witness wanted to back out of testifying to his committee after receiving the letter, but the chairman declined that request. Instead he fired a letter back to William J. Hoover, deputy director of ATF, saying the “timing and content of this letter strongly suggest that ATF is obstructing and interfering with the congressional investigation.”

ATF, in a statement, said letters sent to agents subpoenaed to testify before Congress are “essentially the same as the standard document provided to ATF witnesses subpoenaed to testify in court.” It said the witnesses are “encouraged to answer fully and candidly all questions concerning matters within his personal knowledge,” but provide “guidance” about revealing statutorily prohibited information.

Mr. Orlow did not return messages left on his office and cell phones.
The Fast and Furious operation was halted in January after U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian A. Terry was killed in a Dec. 15 shootout with Mexican bandits 10 miles north of the U.S.-Mexico border near Rio Rico, Ariz. Authorities said two AK-47 assault rifles found at the scene were traced back to Fast and Furious “straw buyers.”

Mr. Issa said the ATF operation showed a “callous disregard for what those weapons can and have done to Mexican citizens and even to one, perhaps two U.S. citizens and probably more before it is over.” His comment referred to new information that another weapon found at the scene of the ambush killing Feb. 15 of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agent Jaime Zapata also was traced back to a straw buyer.

President Obama and Mr. Holder have both disavowed the program, and Mr. Holder said it was running without their approval.

Told of Mr. Issa’s concerns, Justice Department spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler referred questions about the attorney general’s knowledge back to remarks in March when he said he referred concerns raised by ATF agents to the department’s Office of Inspector General, who is conducting an investigation.

When ATF field agents first began to question the Fast and Furious program, they received an email from their supervisor, David J. Voth, who wrote, “We all need to get along and realize that we have a mission to accomplish.” In a March 12, 2010, email, Mr. Voth said he was “thrilled and proud” his group was involved and assured the agents that “people of rank and authority at HQ are paying close attention.

“It may sound cheesy, but we are the tip of the ATF spear when it comes to Southwest border firearms trafficking. I will be damned if this case is going to suffer due to petty arguing, rumors or other adolescent behavior,” he wrote. “If you don’t think this is fun, you’re in the wrong line of work — period.

“This is the pinnacle of domestic U.S. law enforcement techniques. After this, the toolbox is empty,” he said. “Maybe the Maricopa County Jail is hiring detention officers, and you can get paid $30,000 (instead of $100,000) to serve lunch to inmates all day.”

source < http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...stimony >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2011,5:30 pm
Sharyl Attkisson: ATF Manager says he shared Fast and Furious Info with White House

CBS Reports:

   At a lengthy hearing on ATF's controversial gunwalking operation today, a key ATF manager told Congress he discussed the case with a White House National Security staffer as early as September 2010. The communications were between ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix office, Bill Newell, and White House National Security Director for North America Kevin O'Reilly. Newell said the two are longtime friends. The content of what Newell shared with O'Reilly is unclear and wasn't fully explored at the hearing.

   It's the first time anyone has publicly stated that a White House official had any familiarity with ATF's operation Fast and Furious, which allowed thousands of weapons to fall into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in an attempt to gain intelligence. It's unknown as to whether O'Reilly shared information with anybody else at the White House.

   Congressional investigators obtained an email from Newell to O'Reilly in September of last year in which Newell began with the words: "you didn't get this from me."

   "What does that mean," one member of Congress asked Newell, " 'you didn't get this from me?' "

   "Obviously he was a friend of mine," Newell replied, "and I shouldn't have been sending that to him."

   Newell told Congress that O'Reilly had asked him for information.

   "Why do you think he asked for that information," Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) asked Newell.

   "He was asking about the impact of Project Gunrunner to brief people in preparation for a trip to Mexico... what we were doing to combat firearms trafficking and other issues."

   Today, a White House spokesman said the email was not about Fast and Furious, but about other gun trafficking efforts. The spokesman also said he didn't know what Newell was referring to when he said he'd spoken to O'Reilly about Fast and Furious.

Is that whitehouse stooge that obtuse, or just trying to down play it?  But then again it could also be he was leaning towards other operations, like the one in Florida, and another one that was in Texas.  These guys knew exactly what was going on, they got busted and are in crisis mode.  This way worse than Watergate X 1000.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2011,5:41 pm
ATF’s Phoenix SAC emailed Gunwalker info to National Security Council

An exchange between House Committee on Oversight and Reform Committee members and William Newell, former Special Agent in Charge of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive’s Phoenix Field Division during this morning’s hearings  on Operation Fast and Furious pointed to key information that may be the most important to come out of today’s session.

Newell was asked about his relationship with Kevin O’Reilly, Director of North American Affairs of the National Security Council, and this was followed up shortly thereafter with his being questioned why he began one email correspondence with the words “You didn’t get these from me.” [UPDATE: A copy of this email is presented here.] Newell, who was chastised by multiple Committee members for being evasive, answered that he and O’Reilly were long-time friends, but he would admit no wrong-doing in why he wanted O’Reilly to keep his name secret as a source for disclosure about an investigation that allowed guns to “walk” to cartel criminals in Mexico.

The question becomes: Why is Newell’s communication with O’Reilly significant?

Rephrased: Why are ATF field office management communications about Fast and Furious with NSC’s North American Affairs Director significant?

"[Congressional investigators are] gradually building a case for a much wider, national conspiracy. By the end of this process, they'll be able to prove that orders came from the very top," Mike Vanderboegh of the Sipsey Street Irregulars blog told WorldNetDaily in a story filed yesterday.

Vanderboegh also gave his blog readers insights yesterday into why the Newell/O’Reilly nexus provides circumstantial evidence of highest-level cognizance:

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The President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, and Secretary of State are considered to be statutory attendees of NSC meetings, but they are also regularly joined by the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the Director of National Intelligence, the National Security Advisor, and other executive officials. The NSC conducts its meetings in the White House Situation Room, and the National Security Advisor’s presence in the West Wing provides the President with direct access to research, briefings, and intelligence related to all aspects of national security. During times of crisis, the National Security Advisor is also responsible for operating out of the Situation Room in order to provide the President and other members of the NSC with regular updates pertaining to the situation at hand.


What’s evident from today’s exchange is Issa’s committee has some degree of access to past Newell/O’Reilly email correspondence. How much is one question.  Where following up on what they have will lead—and how high up—is another, and the most important one of all.

< Transcript of related questioning >

source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...council >

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 27 2011,10:06 pm
GD,

Thanks for all the updates on this.  I appreciate you making all of the information available.

signed,

One of the
Gullible

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 27 2011,10:54 pm

(MADDOG @ Jul. 27 2011,10:06 pm)
QUOTE
GD,

Thanks for all the updates on this.  I appreciate you making all of the information available.

signed,

One of the
Gullible

Not a problem and you're welcome.

And you are not gullible.

I wish more media outlets would pick this scandal up.  Seeing how our govt has broken many laws that you or I would be sitting in prison if we pulled a stunt like this.   I can say the local paper and the local news here, has run a few stories on it with comment from the area FFL's.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 29 2011,7:33 am
Fast & Furious Hearing Sending Shockwaves towards White House & Eric Holder

The House Oversight and Government Reform Committee conducted another hearing this week on Fast and Furious -- the operation spearheaded by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) which knowingly put thousands of guns into criminals’ hands.

Tuesday’s hearing exposed the anti-gun animus of several people within the Obama Administration, and their answers continued to beg the question:  Was Operation Fast and Furious all about drumming up more support for gun control?

Gun Owners of America met with three persons from the House committee prior to the hearing.  The meeting was “off the record,” so we can’t report on the details.  Only to say, GOA brought up a hard-and-fast link between the White House and “Fast and Furious” -- and encouraged committee members to pursue a line of questioning that would publicly expose this connection.

We were pleased to see that Representatives did just that.  Here’s what Tuesday’s hearing revealed for the record:

1. The White House WAS BEING BRIEFED by Fast and Furious manager Bill Newell.  In fact, a “smoking gun” email establishing the clandestine link between ATF Agent Newell and the White House begins with Newell saying:  “You didn’t get this from me ….”

2. ATF agents DID KNOW that “Fast and Furious” guns were going to Mexico.  During much of the hearing, ATF Agent Newell denied this, but intense questioning by Pennsylvania Republican Patrick Meehan revealed Newell’s lie.  The fact is, Newell and others DID KNOW that Mexican cartel bosses were expecting to get illegal firearms funneled into Mexico.

3. ATF agents have been deceptive when they claimed that Operation Fast and Furious was going to provide information for Mexican authorities to prosecute drug kingpins south of the border.  Cross-examination revealed that Mexican authorities already knew who the drug kingpins are and that ATF did not share any information with Mexico that would help them bring down these cartels.

4. Under oath, ATF agents admitted that Fast and Furious was a TOTAL break with their normal standards and procedures.  Normal police work would mean arresting straw buyers and “flipping them” -- in other words, turning them against their superiors and bringing down the higher-ups in the smuggling ring.

But Fast and Furious involved a complete break with this strategy, in that gun smugglers were allowed to “go free” -- even to the point where the guns were smuggled south of the border and permanently “out of sight” of ATF agents (or Mexican authorities, for that matter).  Indeed, one straw buyer bought some 720 guns for his bagman.

So the question is:  Why would an anti-gun administration knowingly let guns get into the “wrong hands”?  They claim the purpose was to help take down drug cartels in Mexico.

But given the fact that ATF was not sharing information with Mexico … and that they were TOTALLY breaking with standard law-enforcement procedures … and that they knew that “Fast and Furious” guns were winding up at crime scenes in Mexico … another more likely explanation is raising its ugly head.

The better explanation is that anti-gun officials in the Administration were trying to bring disrepute upon our Second Amendment freedoms and that this would lead to calls for more gun control.

Remember Rahm Emanuel’s famous line:  “Don’t let a crisis go to waste?”

Well, it seems that the Obama Administration was doing whatever it could to create a crisis that would supposedly show that most of the Mexican crime guns were originating in U.S. gun stores.

The Washington Times picked up on this obvious motive earlier this month:

The White House often claimed that 90 percent of the weapons used in Mexican crimes had been traced to the United States, but the number has never been substantiated. By all appearances, Fast and Furious delivered statistics to back up the figure.  (“Too fast, Too Furious,” July 13, 2011.)

Apparently, the ATF was not the only organization involved in Fast and Furious.  Tuesday’s hearing confirmed that the Drug Enforcement Administration, Internal Revenue Service and Immigration and Customs Enforcement were all involved.

In other words, Fast and Furious was a giant operation being run out of the Justice Department.  And that means that all roads are starting to point to Attorney General Eric Holder.

As stated by House Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Darrell Issa:

How is it that the Number Two, Three, Four at Justice all knew about this Program but the Number One [Attorney General Eric Holder] didn’t?  Is it because he said “don’t tell me”?  Is it because they knew what they were doing was wrong and they were protecting their boss?  Or is it just that Eric Holder was so disconnected ….

Either Holder is lying about the fact he didn’t know early on about Fast and Furious or he is inept.  Either way, Eric Holder needs to step down.

We asked you earlier this month to urge your Senators to call for Holder’s forced retirement.  It’s now time to communicate this to the House.

ACTION:  Ask your Representative to call for Eric Holder’s resignation.  And don’t forget to circulate this alert to your pro-gun family and friends.

source < http://gunowners.org/a07282011.htm >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 29 2011,7:39 am
7-26-11 "Operation Fast and Furious: The Other Side of the Border"

< The entire hearing is available on video in three segments, accessible here  Continue reading on Examiner.com The Fast & Furious e-mail; White House denies connection - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com http >

Tuesday’s hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform will examine the effects of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) program dubbed “Operation Fast and Furious.”  Specifically, we will review the impact of this program on our neighbor to the south, on our agents working in, and on the people of Mexico.

The Committee’s task today is serious, and the Administration’s effort to impede this investigation slows our work to make public the truth of an acknowledged—and failed—operation.  The Acting Director of the ATF, in a transcribed interview with investigators, has said that the Justice Department is trying to push all of this away from its political appointees.  That is not the response this Committee, Congress and the public, should expect from the ‘most transparent Administration in history.’

In this hearing, lawmakers will hear firsthand from field agents who have worked in Mexico for years and who were systematically kept in the dark by officials in Phoenix and at headquarters about the real nature and scope of “Operation Fast and Furious.”  The Committee will also hear testimony from ATF supervisors who chose to allow weapons to flow from illegal sales in the United States directly into the hands of Mexican drug cartels—without interception or interdiction.

To date, President Obama has been keen to talk about who didn’t know about the program and who didn’t authorize it.  These answers will not suffice.  The American people have a right to know—once and for all—who did authorize it and who knew about it.

Working with our counterpart in this investigation, Senator Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa), the Committee will remain focused on these basic questions and pursue the trail of truth to the highest levels of government.  We owe the men and women in law enforcement nothing less because it is their lives on the line.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 30 2011,9:10 am
Gunwalker: One Step Closer to the Oval Office
This week's revelations placed knowledge of the operation within the White House for the first time.

The cover-up is always worse than the crime: considering the Gunwalker scandal, it’s hard to know if that is true — for the moment. America is now a bit closer to that answer, and is also closer to an answer for the question at the heart of all Washington scandals: what did the president know, and when did he know it?

July 20: The Examiner reported that the State Department, through a little-known program called “U.S. Direct Commercial Sales,” supplied considerable small arms to the Zeta cartel. In fact, a Zeta leader has said that all of their weapons were purchased in the U.S. Evidence indicates that weapons not obtained through the State Department were obtained through straw purchasers in the Gunwalker investigation.

The Zetas apparently purchased land in Columbus, New Mexico, which was used as a transshipment point for taking weapons directly across the border. Another method reportedly saw weapons flown out of Alliance Airport north of Ft. Worth, an air operations center of the Drug Enforcement Agency.

July 25: Fox News reported that two of the 20 people indicted in Operation Fast And Furious for making straw purchases of firearms which were primarily shipped to Mexican drug cartels were cleared by the FBI to make those purchases. Federal officials refuse to explain how this occurred.

Those who have been following the case will recall that when it began to blow up in public, 20 people — all bottom-level straw purchasers — were arrested, and claims were made that no guns were allowed to walk across the border (claims that have been exposed as false). The FBI runs the instant check system (NICS) that must be used to allow anyone to purchase a firearm, yet two convicted felons — apparently in the system as felons — were allowed to buy more than 360 weapons. The FBI has had no comment, however an ATF source told Fox that whenever the NICS flagged a felon trying to buy guns, the ATF in Phoenix was called. Obviously, the ATF and FBI allowed the purchases to go through.

July 26: The Examiner reported that in the fall of 2009, ATF agents in Mexico noticed an unusual number of American guns coming into Mexico, and were surprised to learn that many were traced back to the Phoenix ATF office. Over the year that followed, ATF agents in Mexico complained, and were told only that things were “under control” and that the investigation would end soon — but it did not end until the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in January 2011.

The agents sent their concerns to Phoenix, and up the chain of command to ATF headquarters and to the Department of Justice. This caused ATF agent Darren Gil to get into a screaming match with ATF International Affairs Chief Dan Kumor.

DOJ Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division Lanny Breuer, on a visit to Mexico, praised the operation, to the horror of the agents in Mexico. The ATF withheld information from their own agents because they did not want the Mexican government to know what was going on.

July 27: The Los Angeles Times reported that shortly after the death of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, ATF officials in Arizona and D.C. made several arrests of straw purchasers. Also, William Newell — ATF head in Arizona — sent several e-mails to his D.C. superiors, one of which admitted that guns were “walked” across the border. He defended the operation, saying: “I don’t like the perception that we allowed guns to walk.”

After Terry’s murder, top ATF officials claimed that none of the guns found at the scene of Terry’s killing were used to kill him. FBI forensics reports, which came to light last week, prove that the ATF claim was at best misleading.  Ballistics testing could not conclusively indicate which weapon was actually used to shoot Terry, but the weapons found were walked across the border during Operation Fast and Furious. The ATF continues to claim that their misleading statement is accurate because they saw a distinction between guns found at the scene and guns “used” in the murder.

July 27: Hot Air reported that before Rep. Darrell Issa’s committee on July 26, William Newell testified that in September 2010 he discussed the Gunwalker case with White House National Security Director for North America Kevin O’Reilly. In relation to that communication, Newell sent O’Reilly an e-mail in which he wrote: “You didn’t get this from me.” Newell explained that O’Reilly was a long-time friend, and he shouldn’t have informed him.

The revelations of this week not only support or confirm much of what was already known, but add new, more disturbing dimensions to the scandal. It has long been known that heads of the FBI and DEA were informed about the program, as well as officials in the Department of Justice, Homeland Security, and the State Department.  However, the State Department’s role in selling significant quantities of military surplus and military grade weapons and other equipment to the Zeta cartel, possibly through a thinly veiled front company, was not previously known.

The FBI certainly had to have known that the ATF was misrepresenting their forensic findings in the Terry murder, but did nothing to correct that misrepresentation to Congress or to the public, and had no comment regarding this revelation.

The most significant revelation of the week is that someone in the White House was made aware of the operation. Did the president or his chosen officials not only allow but encourage the illegal purchase and smuggling of arms into Mexico, a foolish and cynical attempt to further gun-control policies unobtainable through the legislative process? We now know that knowledge of the program was within a few steps of Obama.

Meanwhile, the MSM continues to avoid perhaps the most important, most deadly scandal in modern American history.

Source < http://pajamasmedia.com/blog...-office >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 30 2011,9:40 am
Gun trafficking as compared to William Newell's definition of 'gunwalking'

In discussing "Project Gunwalker," this column tries to observe the perhaps small (but nevertheless important) distinction between directly trafficking guns, and "walking" them.  That's why readers will find instance after instance of reference being made here to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' (BATFE's) "facilitating the trafficking" of guns.  Basically, the accusation being made here is not that the BATFE directly trafficked the guns.  Instead, they strongly pressured gun dealers into proceeding with sales those dealers would otherwise never have touched, because of the obviously nefarious intent on the part of the purchasers.

In Tuesday's House Oversight and Government Reform Committee hearing regarding the BATFE's "Operation Fast and Furious," former BATFE Phoenix field division Special Agent in Charge William Newell repeatedly made the startling statement that he believed no guns were "walked" during the operation.  The reason, of course, that this statement was startling is that we already know that more than 2,000 guns were "walked," with perhaps 1,700 or more still unaccounted for.

Even Representative Elijah Cummings (D-MD), although a frequent BATFE apologist and enthusiastic supporter of "gun control," seemed more than a little taken aback by Newell's denial, and eventually thought to ask for Newell's definition of "gun walking."  The Daily Caller has the quote for us:

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“My definition of walking, and I believe it’s a common law enforcement term, is when a law enforcement agency, whether it be DEA or a state or local agency, actually puts some sort of evidence into the hands of a suspect in an undercover operation or an investigation and, for instance, with the ATF it could be one of our prop guns, and then don’t follow up where that is going,” Newell said, adding that he believed his definition of “walking” guns did not happen in Operation Fast and Furious.


Newell's definition of "gunwalking," in other words, would have required the BATFE to have personally armed the cartels themselves, rather than "merely" pressuring gun dealers (and even paying them as informants?) to sell guns to known straw purchasers (and felons?), known to be working for the drug syndicates.  Newell seems to have turned the distinction on its head, and gotten the difference exactly backwards.

Now compare Newell's definition of "gunwalking" with Representative Carolyn Maloney's (D-NY) new anti-gun trafficking bill (co-sponsored by Rep. Cummings, and every other Democrat on the Oversight and Reform Committee), H.R. 2554, the "Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act of 2011," announced with great fanfare as these representatives' response to "Project Gunwalker."  And it was a response--a response < intended to distract from the growing scandal > (further, very not-for-the-children,< discussion here). >

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   ‘(a) In General- It shall be unlawful for any person, regardless of whether anything of value is exchanged, to receive, or to transfer or otherwise dispose of to 1 or more individuals, 2 or more firearms that have been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such conduct will result in the disposing of 1 or more such firearms to an individual--

   ‘(1) whose possession or receipt of the firearm would be unlawful; or

   ‘(2) who intends to or will use, carry, possess, or dispose of the firearm unlawfully.

   ‘(b) Organizer- It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly direct, promote, or facilitate conduct that violates subsection (a).

   ‘© Conspiracy- It shall be unlawful for any person to conspire to violate subsection (a).


H.R. 2554 is pure legislative theater, with no chance of accomplishing anything useful, although it would have been interesting to see how much of the Obama administration could have been swept up in the "Conspiracy" provision.  Thus, charging someone with, and convicting him for, gun trafficking requires clearing a vastly lower bar than would need to be cleared to meet Newell's definition of "gunwalking."

Remember when public servants were held to a higher standard of conduct than the public they ostensibly served?

Source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...walking >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 31 2011,7:24 pm
Open letter to Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne: prosecute the ATF people responsible for Fast and Furious under state law

by Hugh Holub on Jul. 30, 2011, under atf, politics

Tom Horne
Arizona Attorney General

Re: ATF Fast and Furious

Dear Mr. Horne

As you are aware, ATF ran a program called “Fast and Furious” out of their Phoenix office whereby the let assault rifles “walk” into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels and various border bandits.

Two of those ATF “walked” guns, which were sold by a Phoenix area gun shop with the knowledge of ATF, were found at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.

While various investigations are on-going at the federal level, there appear to be important state law issues involved in this situation.

I specifically call your attention to Arizona Revised Statutes Title 13 Section 1201 “Endangerment”

13-1201. Endangerment; classification

A. A person commits endangerment by recklessly endangering another person with a substantial risk of imminent death or physical injury.

B. Endangerment involving a substantial risk of imminent death is a class 6 felony. In all other cases, it is a class 1 misdemeanor.

Evidence is mounting that field agents within the Phoenix office of ATF warned their superiors that the “walking” of guns could lead to the deaths of, among others, federal agents.

The warnings of these dedicated and honorable law enforcement officers were ignored by their superiors. The end result was Border Patrol agent Brian Terry died as a result of these “walked” guns.

Arguably senior officials in ATF are chargeable for endangerment under state law.

I would urge you and your staff to look into the record that has been developed so far by the US House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and the sworn testimony by various ATF employees with an eye on what, if any, state criminal laws were violated in the course of the “Fast and Furious” project.

I am suggesting ARS 13-1201 as just one of what may be many examples of violation of state criminal laws by ATF officials.

There is a fundamental issue at stake here.

Sometimes the federal government operates as though it is not subject to any law, even at the federal level. At times it becomes obvious that in the pursuit of their mission, they disregard state law, placing their mission ahead of the public safety and well-being of the people within a state.

Just because they might be federal employees or even federal law enforcement officials, they do not have any kind of immunity for violations of the state criminal code.

I urge you to look closely at the conduct of ATF within Arizona, and investigate whether or not that conduct violated state criminal laws, And if you find the conduct of the ATF senior management did indeed violate state law, please hold those ATF officials accountable to the people of Arizona.

Thank you

Hugh Holub
Attorney at Law
P.O Box 4773
Tubac, Arizona 85646

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Jul. 31 2011,11:37 pm
Do you ever get the feeling you're yelling to no one in the middle of the forest?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 31 2011,11:43 pm

(Stone-Magnon @ Jul. 31 2011,11:37 pm)
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Do you ever get the feeling you're yelling to no one in the middle of the forest?

Nope, as long as I see people are reading it, Im fine with that, I also post the same info on other websites to get the word out, since your worthless town rag isn't informing the people, and are more interested in appeasing their masters of the city.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 05 2011,9:53 pm
Documents: Feds allegedly allowed Sinaloa cartel to move cocaine into U.S. for information

U.S. federal agents allegedly allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel to traffic several tons of cocaine into the United States in exchange for information about rival cartels, according to court documents filed in a U.S. federal court.

The allegations are part of the defense of Vicente Zambada-Niebla, who was extradited to the United States to face drug-trafficking charges in Chicago. He is also a top lieutenant of drug kingpin Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman and the son of Ismael "Mayo" Zambada-Garcia, believed to be the brains behind the Sinaloa cartel.

The case could prove to be a bombshell on par with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives' "Operation Fast and Furious," except that instead of U.S. guns being allowed to walk across the border, the Sinaloa cartel was allowed to bring drugs into the United States. Zambada-Niebla claims he was permitted to smuggle drugs from 2004 until his arrest in 2009.

Randall Samborn, assistant U.S. attorney and spokesman for the Justice Department in Chicago, declined comment.

The court in Chicago had a status hearing on Wednesday and ordered the government to respond to allegations in Zambada-Niebla's motion by Sept. 11.

According to the court documents, Mexican lawyer Humberto Loya-Castro, another high-level Sinaloa cartel leader, had his 1995 U.S. drug-trafficking case dismissed in 2008 after serving as an informant for 10 years for the U.S. government.

Guzman and the Zambadas allegedly provided agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement with information about other Mexican drug traffickers through Loya-Castro.

"Loya himself continued his drug trafficking activities with the knowledge of the United States government without being arrested or prosecuted," the court documents state.

Zambada-Niebla met voluntarily with U.S. federal agents on March 17, 2009, at the Sheraton Hotel in Mexico City, which is near the U.S. Embassy, "for the purpose of his continuing to provide information to the DEA and the U.S. government personally, rather than through Loya," court records allege.

"DEA agents (then) told Loya-Castro to tell Mr. Zambada-Niebla that they wanted to continue the same arrangements with him as they had with Mr. Loya-Castro."

Five hours after the meeting, Mexican authorities arrested Zambada-Niebla and extradited him later to the United States. His father and Guzman are fugitives.

The court documents also allege that the U.S. government is using a "divide and conquer" strategy, "using one drug organization to help against others."

Zambada-Niebla's motion seeks U.S. government records about the 2003 Juárez case involving an informant who participated in several homicides for the Carrillo-Fuentes drug cartel, while under ICE's supervision.

He also requested records about the ATF's "Operation Fast and Furious," which permitted weapons purchased illegally in the United States to be smuggled into Mexico, sometimes by paid U.S. informants and cartel leaders.

"It is estimated that approximately 3,000 people were killed in Mexico as a result of 'Operation Fast and Furious,' including law enforcement officers in the state of Sinaloa, Mexico, the headquarters of the Sinaloa cartel," the court documents allege. "The Department of Justice's leadership apparently saw this as an ingenious way of combating drug cartel activities."

source  http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410?source=most_viewed

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 05 2011,9:59 pm
DEA acknowledges supporting role in Operation Fast and Furious

The head of the Drug Enforcement Administration has acknowledged to congressional investigators that her agency provided a supporting role in the ill-fated Operation Fast and Furious run by the group's counterparts at the ATF.

Michele M. Leonhart, the DEA administrator, said DEA agents primarily helped gather evidence in cases in Phoenix and El Paso, and in the program's single indictment last January that netted just 20 defendants for illegal gun-trafficking.

The development marks the first time another law enforcement agency has said it also worked on Fast and Furious cases other than the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which is under two investigations into why it allowed at least 2,000 firearms to be illegally purchased and then lost track of the guns’ whereabouts.

Nearly 200 of the weapons showed up at crime scenes in Mexico, and two semi-automatics were recovered after a U.S. Border Patrol agent was slain south of Tucson.

Leonhart made the acknowledgement in a letter to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Vista), chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the senior GOP member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. A copy of the letter was obtained Friday by The Times.

Leonhart wrote that her agents in Phoenix and El Paso were "indirectly involved in the ATF operation through DEA-associated activity. "

She added, "the DEA El Paso Division responded to a duty call in March 2010 from ATF for assistance in conducting an ongoing surveillance operation in the El Paso area as part of Operation Fast and Furious."

But she said her agents in Phoenix "had the most notable associated investigative activity, though DEA personnel had no decision-making role in any ATF operations." That included helping obtain phone numbers and addresses, issuing subpoenas for information on the phone subscribers, and paying linguist costs of $128,000 to help translate intercepted calls.

Her agency further helped in the "round up phase of the case with the execution of search warrants, participated in debriefing some of the 20 gun-smuggling defendants who were arrested in the Phoenix area, and attending the Jan. 25 press conference announcing those arrests.

Dawn Dearden, a DEA spokeswoman in Washington, declined to comment further Friday on the DEA’s role in Fast and Furious. "The letter stands on its own," she said. "We’re still in a fact-finding mode, so there’s not much more we can say."

source < http://www.latimes.com/news...4.story >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 05 2011,10:13 pm
Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa
ATF Officials in Mexico Denied Access to Fast and Furious Details


Over the last several weeks, new details have emerged about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ reckless strategy, named Operation Fast and Furious, to allow guns to fall into the hands of known straw purchasers. The guns often were transported across the border to Mexican drug cartels.

I began asking questions in January and have been joined by Congressman Darrell Issa, the Chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. We’re working together to find answers about who signed off in the ATF and Department of Justice on the policy and why they thought it was an appropriate strategy.

In testimony to congressional investigators and in a hearing before the House committee, ATF officials based in the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City said they were increasingly worried about the alarming rate of guns found in violent crimes in Mexico that were traced to a single ATF operation based out of the ATF’s Phoenix Field Division.

When the ATF officials in Mexico City asked their counterparts in Phoenix and at ATF headquarters for additional information, they were denied access. This silo mentality is incomprehensible, especially after 9-11. There is no reason for officials at the Justice Department, the ATF and the U.S. attorney’s office to keep their counterparts at the U.S. embassy in Mexico City in the dark about Operation Fast and Furious. This secrecy jeopardized our relationship with our southern ally, and put lives at risk.

In a report released before the hearing, Congressman Issa and I outlined several of the findings from the interviews with congressional investigators. This is the second report we’ve released. The first report, which can be found here, outlined the accounts of ATF agents who provided firsthand accounts about Operation Fast and Furious.

The findings from the most recent report include:

· Little to no information was shared by the officials in the Phoenix Field Division, the ATF Headquarters and the Justice Department with their colleagues in Mexico City. Every time U.S. officials in Mexico City asked about the mysterious investigation, their U.S.-based ATF counterparts in Phoenix and Washington, D.C., continued to say they were “working on it” and “everything was under control.”

· Lanny Breuer, the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division at the Justice Department, was clearly aware of Operation Fast and Furious and touted the case during a visit to Mexico.

· ATF officials in Mexico City were incredulous that their agency would knowingly allow guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, and they were incensed when they finally began to learn the full scope of Operation Fast and Furious and the investigative techniques used.

It seems that with every stone we turn over, we uncover more information to track down. We’ll keep working until we get to the bottom of who knew what and when, and then we’ll work on making sure the right people are held accountable.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 06 2011,9:22 am
Gunwalker: It Must Have Been Eric Holder
... Or higher. An informed examination of the facts leaves no other answer.

Now that the debt ceiling debate is over and done, let’s turn our attention back to Operation Fast and Furious and its alleged sister operations. The multi-agency operation (or operations) of the U.S. government allowed thousands of guns to be supplied to Mexican drug cartels, while American federal law enforcement effectively provided the straw purchasers and smugglers with the cover to operate with impunity.

Despite the tens of thousands of words of outrage written about the Obama administration’s botched Operation Fast and Furious, most of the focus has been on the horrific impact of the program as measured by the number of firearms smuggled over the border and the number of lives lost. Some attention has been consequently paid to the potential political and criminal impact of the operation and cover-up within the Department of Justice.

Sadly, the media has focused very little attention on the probable origins of the plot, or why Gunwalker was created as an adjunct of the longer-running and more successful Gunrunner campaign.

Of course, that may not be entirely true. The crack investigative reporters of print, network, and cable news organizations may very well have done the research and followed the various clues about the origins of Gunwalker to their logical conclusion, and then simply decided that the most probable story was one they not dare tell.

The story is this: no competent federal law enforcement officer would ever have concocted an operation as obviously doomed to catastrophic failure as Operation Fast and Furious.

Let us count the reasons why:

  1. Federal law enforcement agents don’t let guns “walk.” A gun that is allowed to flow into criminal hands is a gun that could end up killing a fellow cop or citizen. As a result, all prior known operations under the long-running and successful Gunrunner program ended when a straw purchaser was allowed to make the purchase, and then arrested on the spot or shortly thereafter. Throughout the process of these stings, the suspects were under constant surveillance whenever they had firearms in their possession, and officers considered it catastrophic failure if surveillance was lost.

  2. Federal law enforcement agents knew that this operation would not lead to cartel kingpins. The profiling of criminal activity has become a blend of art and high science in recent decades, and when combined with the intelligence provided by informants and a history of thousands of arrests, the Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and IRS agents assigned to the task force knew from the beginning that cartel leaders could not be implicated in Fast and Furious, because they simply aren’t involved. Obtaining weapons for cartel gunmen is a problem for the lower to middle ranks of a cartel’s hierarchy, no different than acquiring vehicles or safehouses. The most commonly used cartel weapons are viewed by the organizations as consumable commodities to be bought, used, and discarded. Do CEOs, company presidents, and vice presidents, or even middle managers go out shopping for paper clips and pens?

  3. Federal law enforcement agents knew from the outset that they could never arrest their targets, who were outside of their jurisdiction. Jurisdictional battles between federal, state, and local agencies are legendary, and sensitivity to jurisdictional issues is something every law enforcement agent learns, often with frustration. Knowing for a fact that the individuals running cartel gun acquisition would be based in Mexico, and staying in Mexico, agents would have realized from the mission planning phase — well before operational implementation — that effecting arrests of the operation’s stated targets was nearly impossible.

  4. Middle managers in government would never dare to try such a dangerous, high-risk operation without express orders from above. All agencies — public or private — are saddled with bureaucracy, internal politics, and institutional inertia, which forms a powerful and pervasive cultural force that significantly inhibits change. Changes that threaten the equilibrium of agencies are viewed as a threat, and the more radical the proposed change, the more resistance there is to block it from occurring. Resistance to change occurs even when change is thought to be strongly beneficial.From the ground up and at the very beginning, Fast and Furious was a radical and dangerous proposal that would threaten the very existence of the ATF.

There is no way a politically experienced operative like Phoenix Special Agent in Charge (SAC) Bill Newell would have offered up such a plan merely out of the self interest of furthering his own career. Federal law enforcement officers never would have conceived of and did not support the implementation of Operation Fast and Furious. Agents fought tooth and nail with supervisors over the plot, as has been documented extensively in congressional testimony.

Operation Fast and Furious would not have come from agents in the field.

Operation Fast and Furious could not have come from regional SACs.

The one and only way that this multi-agency operation could have been organized and forced into action against the wishes and better judgment of seasoned professionals is through a top-down push from high-level executives within the Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, State, and Treasury, which all played a role in the plot. Four executive branch departments, led by cabinet-level political appointees loyal to the Obama administration, worked on an operation together that was explicitly doomed to failure from the outset.

Was the goal of the project ever law enforcement?

The most logical explanation for Fast and Furious and related operations was that it was not a law enforcement operation, but a political operation designed to advance an anti-gun political agenda that Attorney General Eric Holder and President Barack Obama have been pursuing since the beginning of this presidency.

This explosive scandal at the heart of Gunwalker isn’t a matter of “what did he know and when did he know it?” It now instead seems to be a matter of who will come forward, and how much evidence will they provide to implicate officials at the highest levels of a lawless government.

source < http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-it-must-have-been-eric-holder/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 08 2011,9:46 pm
Well, well, well... Now seems we have another issue, in Houston, TX.

Congressional Inquiries Turn To Houston Over Gun Trafficking Investigation

HOUSTON -- For weeks, congressional leaders have grilled officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives about an operation in Arizona called "Fast and Furious." Now, some of those pointed questions are focusing on a gun trafficking investigation conducted by the ATF's Houston office.

According to testimony before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, agents involved in Fast and Furious allowed Mexican drug cartel recruits to buy guns in the United States with the hopes of following the buyers and weapons back to key cartel and smuggling operations. The operation, called "reckless" by some congressional leaders, was aimed at curbing guns bought in the U.S. from reaching the hands of cartel members in Mexico.

"It got people killed," said U.S. Rep. Darrell Issa, a Republican congressman from California and chairman of the House's Oversight Committee who has been critical of the ATF's operation.

A congressional report showed hundreds of the guns slipped through the cracks during the investigation. A joint staff report prepared for the House Oversight Committee and Senate Committee on the Judiciary claimed some of the Fast and Furious guns wound up in Mexico, some guns were found at crime scenes in the United States and hundreds more are missing.

The report read that Fast and Furious ended when guns that were part of the operation were found at the murder of border patrol agent Brian Terry.

Now, congressional leaders want to know if similar problems happened in Houston during an investigation done under the auspices of an ATF initiative called "Gunrunner." The operation targeted "straw buyers" in border states recruited to legally purchase handguns and high-powered rifles only to hand the weapons over to members of the drug cartels.

"The ATF agents encouraged them to go through with the sales," said Houston attorney Dick DeGuerin, who represents Carter's Country, the largest independent gun retailer in our region.

DeGuerin said starting in 2006, Houston ATF agents asked Carter's Country for help by alerting agents when a suspicious gun buyer tried to purchase multiple weapons. DeGuerin referred to this effort as a "stall and call."

"Stall the purchaser, call the ATF, let an ATF agent come out and watch the sale so they could follow it," DeGuerin said.

"Did the ATF always show up?" asked Local 2 Investigator Robert Arnold.

"No, they didn't," DeGuerin said.

DeGuerin claimed there were at least six instances when agents did not show up when store employees alerted the ATF to a suspicious gun buyer. Yet, DeGuerin said the ATF still told employees to let the sales go through.

"So they went through with the sale, reported it and who knows what happened," said DeGuerin.

Officials with the ATF's Houston Office declined Local 2's request for an on-camera interview. However, during a face-to-face meeting with Arnold, an ATF spokesperson denied agreeing to such an arrangement, citing a lack of manpower to respond to every call about a suspicious gun buyer.

An ATF spokesperson also told Local 2 the Bureau has always asked for the cooperation of firearms dealers.

"They're one of our best sources of information on suspicious gun purchases," the spokesperson said. However, ATF officials conceded Carter's Country may have "misconstrued" the bureau's request for help in reporting suspicious sales as a request to allow suspicious sales to go through so the ATF could track the buyer later. ATF officials said they never asked anyone to perform a "stall and call."

"They did (the sales) because they were asked to do so by the ATF," DeGuerin argued.

The Houston operation led to the arrest and conviction of more than 20 so-called "straw buyers" purchasing weapons for the drug cartels.

In a criminal complaint filed in Houston federal court, ATF agents wrote the discovery of these "straw buyers" came during a routine audit of gun sales in January 2007, which revealed a suspicious pattern of certain individuals making multiple purchases of high-powered rifles and handguns.

In the criminal complaint, ATF agents noted some weapons purchased at Carter's Country stores in 2006 were eventually found at murder scenes and gun battles in Mexico. ATF officials pointed out these gun sales were made prior to the start of the Houston investigation. The criminal complaint credited Carter's Country with alerting the ATF to one of these suspicious gun buyers.

DeGuerin flatly denies the ATF's version of events, saying Carter's Country routinely supplied the ATF with tips about suspicious gun buys starting in 2006.

"The ATF agents told personnel at Carter's Country to complete, that is go through with, questionable sales that otherwise those folks would have said, 'No we're not going to do that,'" said DeGuerin.

ATF officials said they have no authority to order any firearms dealer to either accept or deny a legal sale.

Still, DeGuerin said Carter's Country continued calling ATF agents with reports of suspicious gun buyers until 2010.

"They got notified they were under investigation, and that's what pulled the plug," said DeGuerin, referring to a federal grand jury investigation launched by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston.

DeGuerin said despite years of supplying tips to the ATF, Carter's Country employees were accused of "being in league with, in other words, conspiring with the straw purchasers and it simply wasn't true."

DeGuerin prepared a chart that responded to investigators' questions about 16 specific gun sales that took place during the ATF's Houston operation.

"On each and every one of them, we had the date and time and the manner in which the ATF had been notified," said DeGuerin, who allowed Local 2 to view the chart. DeGuerin declined to allow Local 2 to copy the chart, citing personal information of Carter's Country employees.

DeGuerin said at his insistence, the U.S. Attorney's Office and an ATF agent involved in the investigation met with him and Carter's Country's owners. DeGuerin said during the meeting, he presented the chart of information regarding the 16 suspicious gun sales. DeGuerin said "pretty promptly" after that meeting he received a letter from the U.S. Attorney's Office stating the investigation into Carter's Country was being dropped.

"I don't believe the ATF agents involved or even their supervisors were being honest with the U.S. Attorney's Office," said DeGuerin. "They tried to cooperate with ATF. It got them nothing except attorney's fees and a tarnished reputation for these people that have been in business for 50 years."

When asked about that meeting, ATF officials said they had not seen the chart and had not been able to obtain a copy.

However, an ATF spokesperson told Local 2 they never denied Carter's Country had always been extremely cooperative with the ATF before and during the Houston investigation.

"They constantly provided us information, but sometimes the information would come in one hour after a sale and sometimes the information would come in seven days after a sale. There was one time during the investigation they called us in enough time to actually get an agent to a store in time to track the buyer," the spokesperson told Local 2.

ATF officials did admit the federal investigation soured its relationship with Carter's Country and "damaged the reputation" of the ATF's Houston office with other gun dealers in the area.

In addition to the meeting, ATF officials provided Local 2 with a written statement in response to direct questions as to whether the tactics being scrutinized in Arizona were used during the Houston investigation.

"It is the priority of the ATF Houston Field Division to stop all firearms trafficking to Mexico. We have never knowingly allowed firearms to be diverted to Mexico and we work closely with licensed dealers to prevent this from happening," wrote an ATF spokesperson.

DeGuerin said this was not the end of the questions. DeGuerin said he and Carter's Country owner, Bill Carter, traveled to Washington, D.C., at the request of congressional staffers and attorneys looking into the Fast and Furious operation.

DeGuerin said Carter recounted his relationship with the ATF during the Houston investigation. DeGuerin said he also gave attorneys for the "minority and majority" a copy of the same chart he shared with the U.S. Attorney's Office.

Local 2 requested to speak with congressional leaders regarding the allegations lodged by Carter's Country.

A spokesperson for the House Oversight Committee sent Local 2 the following written statement.

"Anytime guns are put into the hands of known criminals is clearly a catastrophe. What happened in Houston was an egregiously reckless act. Unfortunately, people pay with their lives when the basic foundation of the ATF rulebook -- don’t let guns walk -- is disregarded in favor of controversial methods. Going forward, we’re expecting the Justice Department to provide our Committee with the information we need to conduct our investigation."

Iowa Republican Sen. Charles Grassley, ranking member of the Senate committee on the Judiciary sent a separate statement to Local 2.

"Knowingly allowing guns to be purchased by straw buyers and then transferred to third parties is wrong no matter how you cut it. Whether it’s one or 1,800, the ATF’s actions in Houston and Phoenix were reckless and ill-advised. The Justice Department and the ATF need to come clean, accept responsibility, and provide honest, straightforward answers from here on out."

source < http://www.click2houston.com/news/28781637/detail.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 08 2011,9:51 pm
This posting is also entered under the topic of the Vince Cefalu firing. Why? Because John Torres has been left in charge of an important border nexus field divsion under Operation Gunrunner and it deals with the the double standard being applied at ATF regarding the perjury and lack of candor by Bill McMahon and Bill Newell. Enjoy.

Los Angeles SAC John Torres invents a story of his glorious work as an undercover operative. Be mindful this is total fiction but he tried to make it non-fiction by using his real name in the story. He manipulates the Los Angeles Times, embarasses that paper, but serves his personal goal by exposeing himself to a million readers and making himself attractive as a consultant to the entertainment and movie industry. Link to the story below.

In the story he talks about his use of a transmitter/wire concealed in an Ipod. HUGE MISTAKE JT. Or, "Omar" as you like to be called.

ATF questions Omar and he does what he does best, he tries to lie his way out of his lie. His answer for the compromise is that he was talking about a "Walkman", not an Ipod. It was the authors error, not his. As riduculous as that lie is Omar failed to do his research. In the days of Walkman's the wire technology was never small enough to conceal in a Walkman. There never was such a thing as a "Walkman-wire". The technology only recently has shrunk to the point where it can be concealed in such a small disguise as an Ipod.

This is the problem with habitual and pathological liars. One lie leads to the next and there is not basis for any of it.

So Omar/JT/SAC Torres compromises a vital piece of undercover equipment that is both vital to officer safety and very expensive. In Omar's quest to to be the "go to guy in Hollywood" (JT's words, not mine) as a law enforcment consultant, he risks the lives of cops everywhere and makes costly equipment obsolete with one newspaper interview.

Other law enforcment agencies that also use the Ipod wire are in a fit with ATF. Oma's interview has cost them thousands of dollars in what is now an unusable piece of equipment. ATF itself is probably out to the tune of $75K or more. Agent and Officer lives have been placed in extreme risk.

At the time of the interview JT was facing perjury allegations, a stack of EEOC complaints and a track record of mismanagment to the most extreme levels (see Bill Newell for comparison).

Melson, Hoover and McMahon have proteced Torres for years, just like they did Newell.

Now, Vince Cefalu is being terminated for a fabricated and incomplete and one-sided allegation of "Lack of Candor"? They also recently suspended Vince for 6 days in the midst of their attempt to fire him for a trumped up allegation that they dug out from 5 years ago.

Vince has no gun, no badge and now, no pay. John Torres sits pretty as the SAC in Los Angeles. Bill Newell gets a promotion to headquarters, all expenses paid and addtional Temporary Duty pay. Same for George Gillett. Same for Jeff Voth. Bill McMahon is promoted to run Internal Affiars. You know who the person was who voted to fire Vince Cefalu for Lack of Candor? You guessed it, Bill McMahon! He knows that the lack of candor he displayed during his congressional testimony would mean nothing to Melson and Hoover. He also knew that by signing off on Vince's termination he could help ATF eliminate a squeeky wheel.

If this double standard enrages you, write to Holder, write to Melson, write to Hoover, write to McMahon and write to Issa and Grassley. The unilateral assualt on whistleblowers side by side with the unilateral protection of corrupt managers will not end until we demand that it ends. Issa and Grassley are the ones who can put a stop to it.

< http://www.latimesmagazine.com/2011/07/traffic-stop.html >

The corrupt managers with blood on their hands are safe but the whistleblower who did nothing wrong but speak up and tell the truth is on the street alone and abandoned. ...And headquarters laughed.

Oh, almost forgot. ATF is suing Dobyns for his book. Claiming he damaged ATF and that he didn't have permission to write it so he violated the ATF media policy. Torres didn't have ATF permission to tell his lie/story either. He damaged the government and a private business by compromising an important piece of equipment, hundreds of thousands of dollars nationwide to anyone who purchases, has purchased or manufactures that equipment. Not to mention risking the lives of hundreds of undercover officers and potentially compromising hundreds of ongoing investigations.

Is ATF going to sue Torres as they have Dobyns? Best bet is that they will protect Torres (see McMahon, Newell, Gillett, Voth for examples) and try to wring out all the money, spirit and fight from Dobyns as they are doing to Cefalu.

Bad move ATF. You took on two of America's nastiest fighters and they will make you pay now or pay more later, either way your and your corrupt nature lose.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 08 2011,9:54 pm
ATF Death Watch 53: The Truth About Operation Fast and Furious

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is the agency charged with enforcing federal gun laws. In 2005, the Bureau launched Project Gunrunner. They established the program to stop gun smugglers from buying and exporting weapons from gun dealers to Mexican drug cartels. Project Gunrunner led to the arrest of hundreds of so-called straw purchasers: citizens with clean criminal records buying firearms illegally on the behalf of criminals. The ATF claimed they were stemming an “Iron River” of illegal guns headed south. Despite an Inspector General report condemning the ATF for failing to catch “the big fish,” Congress rewarded the ATF with additional funding. In 2009, Project Gunrunner mutated into something far more sinister: Operation Fast and Furious.

During Project Gunrunner, ATF agents arrested straw purchasers before weapons crossed the U.S. – Mexican border. In Operation Fast and Furious, ATF agents made no attempt to arrest either the original purchaser or the criminal who received the illegally purchased firearms. In some cases, ATF agents hand-delivered weapons to gun smugglers. In all cases, the federal law enforcement agency let the smuggled guns “walk” across the border.

Several American gun dealers (who had not been informed of the sting operation ahead of time) were immediately suspicious of the straw purchasers, many of whom bought multiple guns multiple times. The gun dealers contacted the ATF and requested guidance or intervention. The ATF told the dealers to complete the transactions and let the weapons go.

As expected, straw purchasers smuggled these semi-automatic rifles and handguns across the U.S. border into the hands of Mexican drug cartel members. Hundreds and then thousands of semi-automatic rifles and handguns disappeared into the hands of vicious criminals.

Concerned ATF agents monitoring the sales understood the danger to Mexicans and Americans alike. They begged their superiors for permission to interdict the guns at the U.S. border. All such requests were summarily refused.

Within months, Fast and Furious-enabled firearms began to show up at Mexican crime scenes via the ATF’s eTrace tracking system. It’s not possible to determine how many Mexicans were murdered by cartel members using Fast and Furious firearms. All parties involved admit that the numbers reached into the hundreds.

ATF agents at the sharp end became increasingly disturbed by the notion of drug thugs using Bureau-enabled guns to murder rivals and innocent civilians. They worried that cartel members would use the guns against U.S. law enforcement officials. The agents published their discontent on a website called cleanupatf.org. Gun bloggers David Cordrea and Mike Vanderboegh pursued the story.

Inevitably, the agents’ worst fears were realized. Some of the ATF-enabled weapons found their way back into the United States. When one or more members of a “rip crew” (ripping off drug smugglers) used one of the Fast and Furious guns to murder U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, the ATF’s wall of silence was breached.

With inside info and prodding from pro-gun bloggers, Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Chuck Grassley began investigating. The ATF stonewalled their requests for information, refusing to provide key documents. The Bureau threatened retaliation against ATF line agents who raised objections to Fast and Furious—both during and after the Operation.

After zealous digging by the Gun Rights Examiner and The Sipsey Street Irregulars, after three House Oversight Committee hearings and some better-late-than-never coverage by CBS, Fox and others, the details of Project Fast and Furious began to emerge. We now have information about Operation Fast and Furious that Bureau managers withheld from ATF line agents tasked with overseeing its implementation.

We now know that cartel criminals used a Fast and Furious .50 caliber rifle to shoot at a Mexican military helicopter that was subsequently forced to land. Two other Fast and Furious weapons were used by members of the Sinaloa cartel in the kidnapping, torture and murder of high-profile Mexican attorney Mario González Rodríguez, the brother of a state prosecutor in Mexico.

We now know that many of the so-called straw purchasers were paid FBI informants. William Newell, Former ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, testified before Congress that the Internal Revenue Service (IRS), Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA), and Immigrations and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) were “full partners” in Operation Fast and Furious.

We now know that senior ATF officials in Washington were regularly briefed on Operation Fast and Furious. Agent Newell testified that he discussed the gun smuggling operation with Kevin O’Reilly, a staffer on President Obama’s National Security Council. The White House knew the program’s risks and nevertheless approved of the Operation and its tactics.

We now know that Operation Fast and Furious was not the only ATF gun smuggling program. The ATF ran “Operation Castaway” out of their Tampa office. Hundreds of guns moved from Florida straw purchasers into Honduras, ultimately bound for Mexican cartels. Castaway firearms have been connected to several crimes in Puerto Rico and a murder in Colombia.

Operation Fast and Furious resulted in twenty indictments against low-level gunrunners—most of which were made immediately after Agent Terry’s murder, once the program came to light. Weighed against the deaths of Border Patrol Agent Terry, Mario González Rodríguez and countless others, the operation’s costs seem to heavily outweigh the return.

All of which begs the question: why did the ATF allow the guns to walk? How could such an obviously dangerous program—a “sting” that violated Mexican sovereignty—ever have been implemented?

When Operation Fast and Furious broke cover, gun-bloggers “revealed” the ATF’s motives. The Bureau wanted to create an Iron River. Guns eTraced from the U.S. to Mexico would enhance their power, prestige and budgetary allocation. At the same time, the ATF could use the stats generated by their anti-gun running gun running “sting” to attack the Second Amendment and, thus, usher in legislation to restrict Americans who wish to buy, sell or keep firearms.

From Project Gunrunner to Operation Fast and Furious, “never waste a good crisis” morphed into “never miss a chance to create a good crisis.” Allegedly.

To understand the truth about Operation Fast and Furious, you have to see the bigger picture . . .

Mexico is at war. Rival drug cartels and the Mexican military are fighting a bloody battle for control of the country and tens of billions of dollars worth of illegal income. In the last five years, more than 40,000 Mexicans have died in this internecine conflict. Twice as many people have been tortured. Tens of millions of Mexicans live in fear for their lives, without any civil liberties (including gun rights).

The situation in neighboring Guatemala is even worse. Although not well-publicized, Guatemala’s murder rate is three times higher than Mexico’s. The drug cartels are completely entrenched; less than one percent of crimes are punished.

The horrific, remorseless violence raging in Mexico and Guatemala can be laid squarely at the feet of the drug cartels and their puppets in both governments. Every gang is knee-deep in blood. Every gang bears equal responsibility. Both governments have been infiltrated and corrupted by drug cartels dispensing billions of dollars worth of blood money.

While members of the Mexican and Guatemalan federal governments are doing well from the conflict, the governments themselves are losing control. In Mexico, drug cartels are now in charge of huge swathes of territory, including large cities like Ciudad Juarez. Within their strongholds, cartels own the police, judiciary and prison system. They’ve murdered and tortured the press into silence. They are, literally, a law unto themselves.

One Mexican drug cartel has risen above all the rest: Los Zetas.

Los Zetas was founded by a group of former Grupo Aeromóvil de Fuerzas Especiales (Special Forces Airmobile Group), deemed to be among Mexico’s military elite. Los Zetas drafted-in former federal, state, and local police officers as well as “ordinary” soldiers. They’ve formed an alliance with Guatemala’s jungle warfare specialists Los Kaibiles.

Los Zetas and their Kaibiles allies have the organization, training and discipline to destabilize an entire hemisphere. They have unlimited funds, unlimited access to weaponry (including fully automatic rifles, grenade launchers and grenades) and an army of more than ten thousand loyal members.

Both Robert Plumlee, a former CIA pilot and Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and DEA director, claim Los Zetas have stockpiled thousands of weapons to disrupt and influence Mexico’s national elections in 2012. Los Zetas end game: a seat at the government table. Guatemala also elects its national leaders in 2012. In both countries, there’s a very real chance that Los Zetas could subvert the political process completely and stage a successful coup d’etat.

All that stands between Los  Zetas’ leaders and complete hegemony: the governments of Mexico and Guatemala and their “friendly” drug cartels. Just last week, Mexico completed operation Lince Norte (“Northern Lynx”), a 20-day attack on Los Zetas by 4,000 Mexican troops. The Mexican military boasted they’d killed Nuevo Laredo’s Zeta boss and the arrested a cartel financial manager.

The Mexican and Guatemalan governments remain under siege. Neither has enough trustworthy forces to be assured of victory against Los Zetas.

The United States is assisting Mexico’s fight against Los Zetas every way it can. Last year, the U.S. State Department’s Direct Commercial Sales Program doled-out some $416.5 million worth of weapons and equipment to the Mexican military. U.S. taxpayers have stumped up more than a billion dollars to fund the so-called Merida Initiative, providing equipment and training to Mexico’s security agencies.

Despite all that time, effort, material and money, the situation in Mexico continues to disintegrate. Whatever help the U.S. has given to Mexico, it hasn’t been enough. And that includes Operation Fast and Furious.

The ATF’s claim that they created Operation Fast and Furious to to bust the Mexican cartels’ “big fish” strains credulity. The guns weren’t tracked. In fact, they were un-trackable. The ATF has no jurisdiction in Mexico. Mexico’s law enforcement and military are suffused with cartel spies and allies. The Mexican government was never informed about the program in the first place. There was no way of closing the supposed trap.

If the ATF intended to create a program that was designed to fail, it could not have done a better job than Operation Fast and Furious. But it wasn’t and they didn’t. Operation Fast and Furious was created to funnel weapons from American gun stores to anti-Zeta cartel members on the border. In this it was successful.

From its inception in the fall of 2009 to its termination roughly a year later, ATF-enabled smugglers walked at least 2000 weapons across the border. Because of the murders of Agent Terry and Agent Zapata, the Operation Fast and Furious never hit its stride. Had not sunk of its own weight, Operation Fast and Furious would still be funneling thousand of weapons into Mexico.

In retrospect, it seems clear that the federally licensed firearms dealers who filled the straw purchasers’ trucks with weapons were supposed to be the fall guys, should Operation Fast and Furious come to light. That ploy has failed. The ATF has been left holding the bag, with a Congressional committee hard at their heels.

Operation Fast and Furious’ disintegration and the ATF’s attempt to sweep it under the rug in no way implies that the ATF set the wheels in motion. On the contrary, the Bureau never had a “Plan B” if Fast and Furious went off the rails. Can they really be that stupid? Unlikely.

Since 2009 or before, the American intelligence community has feared that Mexico was becoming politically and thus militarily unstable. The U.S. military quietly but not secretly stepped up its training of Mexican security forces. Meanwhile, the CIA added Mexico to their watch list, right up here with al-Qaida.

The CIA should know. The relationship between the CIA and the anti-Zetas cartels goes back some twenty years. The former Guadalajara Cartel, Mexico’s top narco traffickers in the 1980s, was protected by Miguel Nassar Haro, Chief of Mexico’s Dirección Federal de Seguridad. Haro was a CIA asset. Most of the territory formerly dominated by the Guadalajara Cartel was taken over by the Sinaloa and Gulf Cartels, both blood enemies of Los Zetas.

Yesterday’s New York Times reported that the U.S. is now sending “new” CIA operatives and retired military personnel to Mexico to help the federal government fight Los Zetas. Uncle Sam’s also looking at deploying private security contractors. Clearly, in the run-up to that Mexico’s national elections, the U.S. federal government’s concerns about the Mexican government’s survival are increasing.

Between these two events: Operation Fast and Furious. TTAG’s contacts tell us that the CIA is behind the ATF’s decision to let guns walk from American gun stores. The Agency saw Fast and Furious as a way to arm anti-Zeta cartels. Specifically, the Sinaloa cartel. They worked with the ATF, killing two birds with one stone: increasing the ATF’s credibility in Washington and countering Los Zetas’ power.

As for the involvement of the FBI, DEA, ICE, DHS (Department of Homeland Security), CPB (U.S. Customs and Border Protection) and the U.S. State Department, think Murder on the Orient Express. A CIA-originated and orchestrated anti-Zetas gun smuggling program gave everyone a piece of the action.

It explains the fact that the federal agencies in charge of patrolling the Mexican border failed to intercept a single “Gunwalker” gun. It explains Mexico’s silence about the ATF’s violation of their sovereignty. (President Felipe Calderon keeping a lid on the CIA’s role in Mexican politics lest The Company reveal his cronies’ connection with the Sinaloa cartel.)

It explains the ATF big-wigs’ high-fiving when Operation Fast and Furious guns were recovered at a crime scene; they were celebrating when Sinaloa cartel members used a Fast and Furious gun to kill Zetas. A practice suggests that the ATF’s top bureaucrats knew Operation Fast and Furious’ real goal, even if their front line agents did not.

The so-called Gunwalker scandal proves that America’s multi-billion dollar “War on Drugs” is an utter sham. Our government was (is?) involved in a drugs for guns conspiracy. The scandal also highlights the fact that America’s Mexican border is all but completely porous. If the Sinaloas can fly a 747 filled with cocaine into the U.S. with official approval, what’s to stop them bringing in something worse?

All this and more to stop Los Zetas from taking control of Mexico (and Guatemala).

Strange to say, a Mexican military-style dictatorship might force America to seal our southern border. No drugs and illegal immigrants in. No guns out. (Unless we sold weapons to the junta.) Meanwhile and in any case, one wonders if Congress will explore the CIA connection to Operation Fast and Furious or let sleeping dogs lie in the interest of “national security.” Watch this space.

source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...furious >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 10 2011,10:07 pm
ATF Death Watch 54: Lies

God knows the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (and Really Big Fires) has had enough time to come up with a suitable explanation for why they let scumbags smuggle guns to Mexican cartels. And here it is: it was a mistake. “In March 2010, the No. 2 man at the ATF was deeply worried,” latimes.com “reports.” “His agents had lost track of hundreds of firearms. Some of the guns, supposed to have been tracked to Mexican drug cartels, were lost right after they cleared the gun stores.” To quote Fergie, h-h-h-h-hold it. They lost the guns? That’s not even remotely credible . . .

We have direct, sworn evidence from ATF agent John Dodson—in front of a Congressional committee—that he phoned his superiors and asked to interdict a smuggler heading Mexico way. Dodson was told, in no uncertain terms, to let the guns walk.

The Gunwalker guns were no more “lost” than the dog I took for a walk this evening. The one that’s sacked out next to me. But don’t take my word for it (on Gunwalker not the schnoozing Schnauzer). Here’s the relevant excerpt from Dodson’s statement:

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   Over the course of the next 10 months that I was involved in this operation, we monitored as they purchased hand guns, AK-47 variants, and .50 caliber rifles almost daily. Rather than conduct any enforcement actions, we took notes, we recorded observations, we tracked movements of these individuals for a short time after their purchases, but nothing more. Knowing all the while, just days after these purchases, the guns that we saw these individuals buy would begin turning up at crime scenes in the United States and Mexico, we still did nothing.

   I can recall, for example, watching one suspect receive a bag filled with cash from a third party then proceed to a gun dealer and purchase weapons with that cash and deliver them to this same unknown third party.

   Although my instincts made me want to intervene and interdict these weapons, my supervisors directed me and my colleagues not to make any stop or arrest, but rather, to keep the straw purchaser under surveillance while allowing the guns to walk. Surveillance operations like this were the rule, not the exception.

   This was not a matter of some weapons getting away from us, or allowing a few to walk so as to follow them to a much larger or more significant target. Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals—this was the plan. It was so mandated.


Clearly, the ATF has switched from stonewalling the Congressional investigation to outright lying. The Bureau is hoping that Congressman Issa and Senator Grassley are as stupid/corruptible as the Los Angeles Times. I don’t think so. And yet the ATF’s lies are coming fast and furious, and going retroactive.

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   Acting Deputy Director William Hoover called an emergency meeting and said he wanted an “exit strategy” to shut down the program. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for decades had dedicated itself to stopping illegal gun-trafficking of any kind. Now it was allowing illegal gun purchases on the Southwest border and letting weapons “walk” unchecked into Mexico.

   But those at the meeting, which included a Justice Department official, did not want to stop the illegal gun sales until they had something to show for their efforts. Hoover suggested a “30-day, 60-day or 90-day” exit plan that would shut Fast and Furious down for good — just as soon as there were some indictments.

   But indictments did not come for another 10 months. By then, two semiautomatics had been recovered after a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed south of Tucson, and nearly 200 had been found at crime scenes in Mexico.

   “I probably should have been a lot more strident with that, there’s no question,” Hoover has since acknowledged. “I probably should have jumped on a plane and flown to Phoenix and gotten the field division team and the U.S. attorney’s team together and had a discussion.”


So they were going to shut down Operation Fast and Furious (it was on Hoover’s to-do list) when drug thugs used an ATF-enabled rifle to murder U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. I bet Terry’s family feels so much better about Operation Fast and Furious now.

For my part, I’d like to know what results the ATF and DOJ expected Operation Fast and Furious to deliver. As the program didn’t deliver a single indictment against a gun smuggler after ten months and some 2000 guns, and the ATF had no way of tracking the guns once they crossed the border (save a heads-up when the weapons were recovered at “crime scenes”), maybe just maybe catching gun smugglers wasn’t the ATF’s goal.

Maybe the CIA’s desire to arm the Sinaloa cartel in the heart of Los Zetas territory with ATF-enabled guns, working to prevent a coup d’etat by the former Mexican military men, was the real reason for the black ops job. In any case, the Hoover’s explanation has no credibility. None. Zero. Zilch. Nada. Which indicates the utter desperation that ATF jefe must feel as the noose draws tighter.

Now that the ATF’s Phoenix junta chief has admitted that ICE, FBI, DEA and IRS were up to their eyeballs in Gunwalker, it’s only a matter of time before our Brad Kozak’s prediction comes true. Men like Hoover—and what federal employee isn’t like Hoover—will eventually cut deals and finger someone else to avoid jail time.

More globally, all the federal agencies involved will turn on each other to avoid blame. The FBI, which guards its rep like Fort Knox gold yet happily subverted its criminal background check system for the ATF, is sure to rat out everyone else. As will the DEA, CPB, ICE, DOJ and the State Department. The CIA and White House? Not so much.

Of course, this will only happen if Issa and Grassley and the media outlets who aren’t in the ATF’s thrall keep up the pressure on weasels like Hoover. My suggestion: threaten to extradite all the people who participated in Operation Fast and Furious to Mexico to face gun smuggling charges.

As the Calderon government was aware of the Gunwalker conspiracy, as evidenced by their complete lack of outrage at the admitted violation of their sovereignty and the subsequent murder of their citizens with Gunwalker guns, I don’t think that will happen. Then again, Calderon’s cronies are corrupt to the core. With enough incentive they’ll play Let’s Make a Deal with anyone.

Rat bastards. All of them. We should pull the plug on the ATF ASAP. At least it would be one less breeding ground.

source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...e-59562 >

Posted by Liberal on Aug. 11 2011,7:03 pm
I wonder why the media is ignoring this important story? Almost reminds me of how they ignored Able Danger, and we all know how big of a deal that ended up being. :blush:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 11 2011,8:19 pm

(Liberal @ Aug. 11 2011,7:03 pm)
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I wonder why the media is ignoring this important story? Almost reminds me of how they ignored Able Danger, and we all know how big of a deal that ended up being. :blush:

The media around here have been running the story.  And a few others have ran stories on it.  

I guess you don't think this a big deal then, knowing that a govt agency willingly and knowingly broke the law to implement this stupid operation that yielded nothing, and no indictments were made and in the process got a boarder patrol officer killed, his blood is on the ATF hands.  How much money on this has been wasted?  All of this for what?  NOTHING, these type of operations are NOT needed and are a waste of human energies and money.

This operation HAD nothing to do with tracing weapons, it had everything to do with a scheme to implement BS gun control.   They got caught with their pants down, and are scrambling to escape the light so no one sees the skid stains in their undies.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 16 2011,10:18 pm
The Los Angeles Times reported Tuesday that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives promoted three key supervisors of Operation Fast and Furious who came under fire for pushing the program even after it clearly spiraled out of control.

The three supervisors -- William Newell and David Voth, both field supervisors who managed the program out of the agency’s Phoenix office, and William McMahon, who was the ATF’s deputy director of operations in the West -- are being transferred to Washington for new management positions at the agency’s headquarters, the newspaper reported.

“Until Attorney General (Eric) Holder and Justice Department officials come clean on all alleged gun-walking operations, including a detailed response to allegations of a Texas-based scheme, it is inconceivable to reward those who spearheaded this disastrous operation with cushy desks in Washington,” said Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Cornyn sent a letter to Holder last week demanding answers following reports of alleged Texas-based “gun-walking” programs similar to “Fast and Furious.”

Holder insists that he didn’t know about the operation as it was being carried out. But Republican leaders say he should have known.

Spokesmen for the ATF did not return phone calls to the newspaper seeking comment.

At a congressional hearing in June, three ATF agents said they were repeatedly ordered to step aside while gun buyers in Arizona walked away with AK-47s and other high-powered weaponry headed for Mexican drug cartels. So far, 20 small-time gun-buyers have been indicted, but the investigation is still under way.

ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson admitted last month to congressional investigators that his agency, in at least one instance, allowed sales of high-powered weapons without intercepting them -- and he accuses his superiors at the Justice Department of stonewalling Congress to protect political appointees in the scandal over those decisions.

The operation was designed to track small-time gun buyers up to major weapons traffickers along the U.S. border with Mexico. Critics estimate that 1,800 guns targeted in the operation are unaccounted for, and about two-thirds of those probably are in Mexico.

Amazing.  Cook up an illegal operation, and when SHTF and goes bust, promote those who should be in prison or my preferred option, hanged by the neck until dead, I would also settle for the guillotine.

Posted by Liberal on Aug. 16 2011,11:09 pm
Looks like you folks have the ATF running scared now. :sarcasm: :rofl:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 18 2011,4:51 pm
ATF guns traced to 12 US crime sites
Fast, Furious arms found at 11 locations plus scene of agent Brian Terry's death

WASHINGTON - Firearms illegally trafficked under the federal government's Fast and Furious program turned up at the scenes of at least 11 "violent crimes" in this country, in addition to being involved in the death of a U.S. Border Patrol agent in Southern Arizona last year, the Justice Department has acknowledged to Congress.

Although Justice did not provide any details about those crime scenes, it has been learned that the additional violent crimes occurred in cities such as Phoenix, where Operation Fast and Furious was managed, and as far away as El Paso, where a total of 42 Fast and Furious weapons were seized in two separate crimes.

The new numbers, which vastly broaden the scope of the danger the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program posed to U.S. citizens over a 14-month period, are contained in a letter Justice Department officials turned over last month to Senate Judiciary Committee members.

In the letter, obtained Tuesday by the Los Angeles Times, Justice officials also reported that ATF acting Director Kenneth Melson "likely became aware" of Fast and Furious as early as December 2009, a month after the program began, and not after January of this year as he had said.

The July 22 letter was signed by Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich and sent to Sens. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, the top members of the Senate Judiciary Committee. It was in response to questions posed to the Justice Department about Attorney General Eric Holder and Fast and Furious.

Justice officials were asked how many "violent crime" scenes turned up more Fast and Furious weapons besides the two semiautomatics found after Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's slaying last December near Rio Rico.

They responded that while the "ATF does not have complete information" on the whereabouts of all the lost guns, "it is our understanding that ATF is aware of 11 instances" where a Fast and Furious firearm "was recovered in connection with a crime of violence in the United States."

Justice officials did not respond.
source < http://azstarnet.com/news...e=story >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 24 2011,6:54 am
ATF Death Watch 62: Chaos vs. Control



An ATF operation that supplied Sinaloa drug cartel members with weapons from American gun stores was designed to supply Sinaloa drug cartel members with weapons from American gun stores. I guess that’s too obvious for the mainstream media. The alphabet soup of Obama administration agencies that helped run Operation Fast and Furious have somehow convinced the press to accept the idea that Uncle Sam’s gun smuggling program was a “botched sting.” This characterization ignores the fact that A) the traffic was exclusive to Mexico’s Sinaloa drug cartel, B) not a single “big fish” was arrested during the 10-month, two-thousand-plus guns course of the program (when U.S Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder ran it off the rails) and C) the pre-Fast and Furious anti-gun running program wasn’t botched . . .

As the Fox report above points out, Project Gunrunner successfully interdicted illegally purchased American guns before they crossed into Mexico. The Bureau’s anti-gun running op yielded hundreds of indictments against so-called “straw purchasers.” Score! So why the word from on-high to “let my ARs go”?

The gunblogosphere’s explanation: the Department of Justice (the ATF’s boss) created Fast and Furious to increase the American electorate’s support for the ATF’s work in general, ATF-sponsored anti-Second Amendment regulations and enforcement in specific.

Mexican law enforcement officials (such as they are) would eTrace captured American gun store guns at Mexican “crime scenes” (a.k.a., intra-cartel carnage and anti-civilian rape, torture and murder). The ATF would present the stats on this “Iron River” and slam dunk increased Congressional funding and new regs. ”Why waste a good crisis” became “why not make a good crisis and exploit it?”

Operation Fast and Furious’ genesis was a lot less complicated. The CIA convinced the ATF to change Project Gunrunner’s rules of engagement to supply our allies south of the border with firearms. Any benefit to the ATF was a bonus. For the ATF.

To understand Fast and Furious you need to remember that there are Mexican drug cartels and there are Mexican drug cartels.

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Aurelio Cano-Flores, aka “Yankee” and “Yeyo,” a high-ranking member of the Mexican Gulf Cartel, has been extradited to the United States from Mexico to face drug conspiracy charges, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division and Administrator Michele M. Leonhart of the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA).


That would be the same Lanny Breuer who green-lighted Operation Fast and Furious and kept tabs on the “botched” op as it placed thousands of guns into the hands of Sinaloa drug thugs. Funny how Lanny’s adding a cartel scalp to his belt just as the Congressional investigation into Fast and Furious circles down on him. Strange that the Mexican government nabbed this cartel big wig two years ago. < laht.com > again:

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“Today we have brought to a court of law Aurelio Cano-Flores, a major drug trafficker connected to the extreme violence of the Los Zetas and Gulf Cartels and who allegedly is responsible for transporting multi-ton quantities of drugs into the United States,” said DEA Administrator Leonhart. “This is part of a concerted, combined, and coordinated effort by Mexico and the United States to target the command and control of the drug trafficking cartels. This extradition is another example of our enduring commitment to bring to justice violent criminals who deny justice to others, and whose drugs are a threat to both our nations.”


Vedetta much? Here’s a < statesman.com > story about a Los Zetas-friendly gun smuggler getting the book thrown at her for doing exactly what ATF Agent Newell did for the Sinaloas.

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   Calling it reprehensible that American citizens would sell firearms to the drug cartels that continue to kill innocent people in Mexico, U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel on Monday sentenced the woman authorities said led an Austin-to-Mexico gun-smuggling ring to 30 years in prison.

   “It’s disturbing that we would provide both ends of the drug pipeline,” Yeakel said in sentencing Aurelia Ochoa Hernandez, 55. “We provide the market for the drugs here, and … we send the weapons back to allow the cartels to control their territories and kill innocent people and keep the supply of drugs coming to this country.” . . .

   “Unless you did not have a pulse, you would know these guns would be used to kill people,” Yeakel told another defendant, Pedro Tovar , in sentencing him to about eight years in prison. Tovar is another of Hernandez’s sons. Two of her grandchildren also were convicted in the case.


Considering the fact that the ATF ran guns to the Sinaloas without heeding their own agents’ warnings about the bloody consequences, is that funny or what? I’m going with “or what.”

Let’s be clear about this. Lenny and his Boyz at the ATF, CIA, DEA, FBI, ICE, DHS, CPB, IRS, State and White House were not—are not targeting the command and control (or drugs or cash) of ALL the Mexican drug cartels. Just the ones that they don’t like. The ones that the Mexican government doesn’t like. The ones that aren’t paying off the Mexican government. Much. Enough.

Specifically, Los Zetas and their allies. That’s a hit list that includes the Gulf Cartel, out of which Los Zetas were born. One of the cartels that the CIA is fighting from a [not so] secret base at our southern border, according to < The New York Times >.

TTAG has two high level government sources who’ve confirmed this analysis. But we can’t ID them and the “theory” raises at least one important question: why would the CIA use the ATF to arm the Sinaloas? Why not smuggle-in a crate or two of guns from somewhere, dump them off with America’s most favored drug cartel and call it good?

Mexican drug cartels are not highly organized criminal gangs along the lines of, say, the ATF. Even the paramilitary Los Zetas’ organizational structure has its limits. (We are talking about Mexico here.) Generally speaking, the drug cartels are wholesalers. They move huge quantities of illegal drugs from their original supply to thousands of distributors on the sharp end.

The distributors pay the cartels for the drugs. Sometimes they break up the loads on the Mexican side of the border, sometimes on the American. Overall, it’s a violet, highly chaotic enterprise “staffed” by countless vicious criminals with shifting allegiances (constantly spurred by the Mexican government’s success at < a jefe or two > ).
More to the point. the cartels are not in the weapons or ammunition supply business. They buy guns and grenades and 50 cals and God-knows-what for their own protection and domination. But they don’t provide training or armament for the legions of loosely-affiliated soldiers at the sharp end. Not in any organized way.

Firearms float from group to group, person to person. Witness the fact that U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed by a “rip crew” using an ATF-enabled rifle originally supplied to the Sinaloas. The killers weren’t sent by the Sinaloa bosses to take out Terry. In fact, they may have been trying to rip-off drug smugglers carrying Sinaloa-originated product.

Also witness the fact that Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was murdered by a team of killers affiliated with Los Zetas using an ATF-enabled gun or guns that started in the hands of their rivals. How’d that happen? Chaos. Or, if you prefer, a lack of control by the cartels.

Bottom line: there are three main reasons the CIA couldn’t simply hand out guns to their BFFs the Sinaloa soldiers. First, they could get caught. With the ATF scheme, the Agency maintained plausible deniability. Who doesn’t love a patsy?

Second, all new guns come with a paper trail. (See reason one.) The feds must be having a hard enough time keeping the fact that the majority of the guns (and grenades and ammo) sitting in the Mexican government’s crime scene vaults are U.S. military-spec weapons.

And third, why not use the ATF? The Bureau wanted some gun recovery stats to make themselves look important. The CIA wanted to arm the Sinaloas against Los Zetas. Call it mutual self-interest.

Again, none of this excuses anyone from anything. Operation Fast and Furious was an illegal government program. It violated Mexican sovereignty. It aided and abetted the illegal purchase of firearms (a federal crime) and provided weapons to known criminals, who used them to commit felony murder on a federal law enforcement official.

Congressional investigators and the media need to stop acting like Operation Fast and Furious was a good op gone bad. It was a bad op gone worse. To stop this from happening again, we need to uncover and report the truth (and yes, we can handle it.) Remember that bogus “90 percent of drug cartel guns come from the U.S.” stat? In the aftermath of this debacle, it’s time we heard the full truth about Mexican cartels’ guns. I think Agent Terry’s family would agree: we owe it to the memory of his service.

source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...control >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 24 2011,7:05 am
:rofl:  :rofl:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 25 2011,5:20 pm
Amazing, ATF supervisors break the law and get promoted, and this person gets jail time.  I say she just didn't know the operation was over.

Government brooks no ‘Gunwalker’ competition

“Austin woman who smuggled guns to Mexico gets 30 years,”
< American-Statesman reports. >

Aurelia Ochoa Hernandez will be going away for a long time:
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“Calling it reprehensible that American citizens would sell firearms to the drug cartels that continue to kill innocent people in Mexico, U.S. District Judge Lee Yeakel on Monday sentenced the woman authorities said led an Austin-to-Mexico gun-smuggling ring to 30 years in prison.


It looks like she had a nice little family business going. Her son was paying straw buyers. She was walking…scratch that…driving the guns to Mexico to a Los Zetas buyer. Another of her sons and two grandsons were also convicted.
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Question: What is it she did that our government was not sanctioning and facilitating in “Project Gunwalker”? 30 years is some serious sentencing. Multiple convictions show intent to punish all those responsible.

Is it any wonder we see the Justice Department digging in its heels to obstruct Congressional investigations? Is it any wonder we see supporters of the administration in the legislature do everything in their power to redirect the focus to one of more “gun control”? Is it any wonder that other agencies and departments want to keep scrutiny of their involvement at bay? Is it any wonder the Fourth Estate Fifth Columnists are marshalling their resources to attack the investigators?

We’re dealing with desperate people who are capable of…well, “Project Gunwalker.” We’re dealing with people who equate collateral human deaths with broken eggs.

Two more Congressional hearings are planned before year-end.  Fine and good—and the witness lists should tell us much.  But it’s also past time for a truly independent prosecutor, and not to rely on an Office of Inspector General that showed deliberate indifference to the whistleblowers—that alone should make those OIG decision-makers investigation subjects.

We’re supposed to be a nation of equal justice for all.  If a private gunwalker merits severe punishment, how much more do obstructionists sworn to uphold the law, who betrayed their official positions of power, engaged in conspiracy, and callously allowed people to die in order to advance an agenda?

If that does not merit a complete and independent investigation to uncover the whole truth, then there is no justice in this country and the rule of law is dead. What explanation can there be for those opposing this except that they want that outcome?

source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...etition >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 25 2011,6:11 pm
Sipsey Street Exclusive: "Meetings, Part 1." Why the ATF scheduled a National Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit on 30 June 2009 in NM.
"It is essential that our efforts support the strategies and policies of the President and the Attorney General and where possible, complement the strategies of other agencies." -- "Project Gunrunner: A Cartel Focused Strategy," internal ATF report, September 2010, Page 2.



An Obama meeting.


"Things like this happen because of meetings. People sit in meetings and they decide what they want to happen. And then they take decisions, make policy and implement that policy to achieve those ends." He added, "That's why State is so nervous. They signed off on this. In a meeting."

Gunrunner, I pointed out to him, predated the Obama administration. "Yes, but 'walking guns' didn't." I told him it seemed to me that given the dates on the documents that the meetings crafting this policy must have taken place sometime in mid-2009. "And who took power in January, 2009?" he replied.

He continued, summing up this way. The gun issue was known to be radioactive. Every time the Democrats embraced it they got killed at the polls the next election cycle. What was needed, in Rahm Emanuel's parlance, was a good crisis to exploit, something to change the paradigm. The gun confiscationists had always danced in the blood (my term, not his) of every mass shooting and gotten nowhere, to their chagrin and frustration. What was needed was a game changer. Something that fit the meme of "we've got to tighten up on American gunowners, gun stores and gun shows because they are feeding the slaughter." Mexico was perfect. The ATF controlled the reporting of the statistics, the headlines were lurid and if the rest of us gunnies knew that you don't get automatic weapons, hand grenades and RPGs from gun shows and gun stores, most of the American people were too ignorant of the issue to care about the distinction. But the fact was, as the IG report and other sources concluded, the amount of weapons from those legitimate American sources did not meet the allegation. More importantly the statistics didn't meet the policy need. So, how to "fix" that? Project Gunwalker. If there weren't enough semi-auto "assault rifles" in Mexico, the ATF could fix that. And the murders would follow, justifying the policy change of cracking down on "assault rifles," gun shows and the like.

"So," I said, "you're saying that this was a deliberate attempt by policymakers at the highest levels of the Obama administration to subvert the Second Amendment and further diminish the free exercise of firearm rights of honest citizens?"

"You got it. Sucks, huh?" He laughed bitterly.

I thought of Zed in "Men in Black."

He added, "Of course the meeting transcripts won't reflect the truth so plainly, but then neither did the Wannsee Conference. These bastards always talk in riddles about what they're really after. Watch what they do, not what they say." -- "The blame shifting & leaping to illogical exculpatory conclusions begins, but Obama's Gunwalker was a deliberate conspiracy vs. the 2nd Amendment," Sipsey Street, 8 March 2011.


One thing is certain, now after three hearings and hundreds of leaked documents and press revelations. The Gunwalker Scandal did not begin in Phoenix, Arizona. William "Gunwalker Bill" Newell did not arise from his bed one fine morning in late 2009 and decide, after brushing his teeth, "Today I'm going to start my own foreign policy, facilitate the smuggling of weapons to Mexico and commit numerous acts of war on a sovereign nation."

In a bureaucracy -- especially the current federal law enforcement bureaucracy -- policies, and demand for actions to carry out those policies, come from above. Where, then, did Gunwalker come from? Or, specifically, from what meetings?

Regular readers will recall my story from 14 May drawing attention to The Official ATF Field Manual of the Gunwalker Scandal, which included the comment from a long-time DC insider "This report might as well be the outline for Gunwalker hearing questions."

The "field manual" referred to, which had been hiding in plain sight thanks to an ATF leak to Michael Isikoff, was intended to exculpate the ATF from the criticisms in the OIG's 2009 Interim Report on Project Gunrunner failings, and especially to try to influence the language in the final report.

Isikoff's September 2010 article was entitled "ATF targets gun dealers to stem sales to Mexican cartels. New strategy comes in wake of stinging criticism of current interdiction effort." He wrote:


The new strategy was prepared in recent weeks by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF)’s Office of Field Operations, in the wake of stinging criticism of current ATF efforts to stem the flow of weapons to the cartels by the Justice Department’s inspector general.

The strategy appears to accept many of the criticisms in the Justice Department inspector general’s report, especially the ATF’s past emphasis on targeting low-level “straw buyers” hired by cartel operatives to buy weapons at U.S. gun stores. It notes that straw purchasers are easily replaced and often are selected by higher level traffickers because they have no serious criminal records, making them undesirable candidates for prosecution.

“Straw purchasers must be held accountable for their conduct and made ineligible to purchase or possess firearms in the future,” the report states. “However, straw purchasers should more frequently be viewed as persons whose conduct should be investigated as part of a larger conspiracy and as persons whose information, cooperation and assistance should be exposed to the extent possible in further of the ultimate goal of identifying key members of the trafficking enterprise.”

It also calls for ATF agents to work more closely with other federal agencies, particularly the Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) run by local U.S. Attorney’s offices and involving all federal law enforcement agencies. The draft inspector general report had sharply criticized ATF agents for not sharing intelligence and working more cooperatively with other federal agencies, especially the Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE.)


The OIG's report of its investigation of Gunrunner was issued in September of 2009. The final report wasn't issued until November, 2010, the following year. But the investigation had begun in May 2009:


In the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (Recovery Act) and in fiscal year (FY) 2009 appropriations, ATF received $21.9 million in funding to support and expand Project Gunrunner. In May 2009, the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) opened an evaluation of Project Gunrunner, which is ongoing. We are issuing this interim report on Project Gunrunner plans as ATF is expanding the project. -- OIG Interim Report.


Obviously, ATF management was aware the OIG investigation from the beginning. ATF management jumped on this threat to their bureaucratic careers at once. Says the "field manual":


On April 27, 2009, the Department of Justice released guidelines for the consideration of OCDETF designation in firearms related cases involving Mexican cartels. The memorandum identified firearms trafficking from the United States to Mexico as contributing to the escalating levels of cartel-related violence and as a particular concern for law enforcement on both sides of the border. The memorandum emphasized the important role that the OCDETF program plays in connection with the United States' government-wide efforts to stem the southbound smuggling of arms to Mexican drug trafficking organizations and stated that investigations principally targeting firearms trafficking are eligible for OCDETF designation if there is a sufficient nexus between the firearms and a major Mexican drug trafficking organization. It is not necessary that every OCDETF prosecution include specific drug charges, but every OCDETF prosecution must be drug-related. The specific charges may be firearms, explosives, or other non-drug violations as long as the targets have been identified as major drug violators and otherwise meet OCDETF standards.

In June 2009, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) released its National Southwest Border Counternarcotics Strategy. The strategy represents another key contribution to the U.S. response to the threat along the Southwest border. The strategy acknowledges the close link between drug trafficking and firearms trafficking and the increasing powerful nature and sophistication of the firearms acquired and used by Mexican drug trafficking organizations. In fact, Chapter 7 of the strategy is devoted to weapons and contains significant language pertaining to ATF investigative responsibilities and enforcement programs. The strategy includes the goals of improving intelligence and information sharing relating to weapons trafficking among Federal, State, local, and tribal law enforcement partners; increasing interdiction of illegal weapons shipments destined for Mexico; enhancing cooperation with international partners in weapons investigations; strengthening domestic coordination on weapons investigations and increasing the likelihood of successful Federal prosecution of weapons cases.

On June 25, 2009, ATF released a memorandum detailing a revised national firearms trafficking enforcement strategy focusing on among other things the identification and investigation of specific domestic trafficking corridors. While not a Southwest border focused document, the national firearms trafficking enforcement plan makes reference to Project Gunrunner and firearms trafficking cases with an international nexus. The document is referenced here since it provides guidance for conducting firearms trafficking investigations generally and may include information pertaining to investigative, technical, and preventive tactics that may be applicable when investigating matters related to the Southwest border.


The memorandum "detailing a revised national firearms trafficking enforcement strategy" was only part of a concerted ATF effort to do what their executive branch masters wanted them to do, consistent with the National Southwest Border Counternarcotics Strategy.

The "field manual" continues:


On January 7, 2010, the Department of Justice reemphasized its commitment to combating firearms trafficking to Mexican cartels and the use of the OCDETF program as a means of disrupting the cartels by releasing its own strategy. The strategy is premised on the notion that a significant share of the violence, drug trafficking and corruption along the Southwest border is perpetrated by a relatively small number of hierarchical criminal organizations. The DOJ strategy concludes that “the most effective mechanism to attack those organizations is the use of intelligence-based, prosecutor-led multi-agency task forces that attack all levels of, and all criminal activities of, the operations of the organizations.” A significant component of the DOJ strategy pertains to attacking the southbound flow of firearms. The strategy states that “given the national scope of this issue, merely seizing firearms through interdiction will not stop firearms trafficking to Mexico. We must identify, investigate, and eliminate the sources of illegally trafficked firearms and the networks that transport them.” The DOJ strategy calls for closer collaboration between ATF and the efforts of multi-agency drug task forces along the border, including OCDETF strike forces. All ATF field divisions with an OCDETF strike force must consider assigning a complement of special agents to the multi-agency strike force and/or establishing a collocated ATF-led OCDETF group within the strike force.

Lastly, ATF’s 2010-2016 Strategic Plan provides broad direction intended to guide ATF operations over the next few years and includes information regarding ATF’s efforts to combat firearms trafficking, to include trafficking along and across the Southwest border. The document reiterates that one of ATF’s fundamental responsibilities is addressing the threat posed by firearms violence associated with drug trafficking and specifically the threat posed by Mexican based drug trafficking organizations that acquire firearms from the United States. The document summarizes a wide variety of ATF capabilities useful in suppressing firearms trafficking across the U.S.-Mexico border.

Additionally, in June 2009, ATF and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) initiated a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) intended to address areas of mutual concern and responsibility. To the extent possible, this revised cartel focused strategy will conform to agreements between ATF and ICE and other law enforcement partners that may exist.


Ah, yes, the MOU with ICE. When I wrote the May story on the "field manual," I did not pay enough attention to when and where that was signed. It was the occasion of much hoopla and was just a part of something the ATF dubbed: the "National Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit."


The press release:

DOJ Officials to Speak at National Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit
Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:00pm EDT

WASHINGTON, June 29 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Officials from the U.S.Department of Justice (DOJ) will join Department of Homeland Security (DHS) officials, U.S. Attorneys, states attorneys, local prosecutors and law enforcement executives to discuss national policy development and strategies at the Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit in Albuquerque, N.M. Also at the Summit, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) will sign a memorandum of understanding (MOU) formalizing a partnership to combat firearms trafficking.

Media are invited to attend the opening session Tuesday, June 30, 2009 at 8:00 a.m. MDT and the separate signing event at 9:30 a.m. MDT. For media not able to attend the signing event, a national news teleconference will be hosted at 10:15 a.m. MDT.

WHO:
David W. Ogden, Deputy Attorney General, DOJ
Lanny A. Breuer, Assistant Attorney General, DOJ Criminal Division
H. Marshall Jarrett, Director, Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys
Kenneth E. Melson, Acting Director, ATF
John Morton, Asst. Secretary, ICE, DHS

WHAT:
Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit (Opening Session)
ATF, ICE MOU Signing Ceremony, Question and Answer Session

WHEN:
Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 9:00 a.m. MDT - Opening Session
9:30 a.m. MDT - Signing Ceremony
10:15 a.m. MDT - National News Teleconference Begins

Conference Call-in #: 1-888-469-3045 (call will be moderated; media encouraged to dial-in up to 15 minutes in advance)

WHERE:
Sheraton Albuquerque Uptown Hotel 2600 Louisiana Blvd, NE Albuquerque, N.M. 87110

Note: Media attending the opening session of the summit and/or the MOU signing ceremony will need to present valid media credentials. Media should be set by 7:45 a.m. in the Grand Ballroom for the opening session and pre-set by 9:15 a.m. in Baldwin Room for the signing event. Any inquiries concerning DOJ officials should be directed to the Office of Public Affairs at (202)514-2007. Any inquiries concerning the Summit should be directed to John Hageman at (609) 743-2987.
SOURCE U.S. Department of Justice

U.S. Department of Justice Office of Public Affairs, +1-202-514-2007, TDD+1-202-514-1888


This was a big deal. In addition to speeches by Deputy Attorney General Ogden, and Assitant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, ATF Acting Director spoke, as did NM U.S. Senator Jeff Bingaman and H. Marshall Jarrett, Director of the Executive Office for U.S. Attorneys. Even Andrew Traver was there, as was, according to my sources, Phoenix ATF Field Division SAC William Newell, aka now as "Gunwalker Bill."

John Morton's speech does not seem to have been posted on the net, the careful man.

Lanny Breuer makes it clear where the new effort and energy on firearms trafficking came from:


You just heard from my partner at ICE John Morton; we are all in great hands over there. John and I worked briefly together in the Criminal Division, where John was a Deputy Assistant Attorney General before becoming Assistant Secretary at ICE. He's a spectacular public servant. It's my privilege to share a podium with John and all my distinguished colleagues from DHS and DOJ, including the Deputy Attorney General from whom you will soon hear.

As many of you know, a little over two months ago, the Attorney General stood on Mexican soil with his law enforcement counterparts from the Mexican government. At that time, the Attorney General announced a firm commitment by the U.S. government to work with Mexico to attack the plague of gun trafficking and related violence that has infected the U.S./Mexico border and regions deep in Mexico itself.

Since the Attorney General's visit to Cuernavaca, the Justice Department, under the leadership of the Attorney General and Deputy Attorney General, has taken a number of positive steps to address the southwest border issues, including increasing the resources that are focused on the southwest border and, specifically, firearms trafficking.


(Coming later: "Meetings, Part 2." David Ogden's speech and "Who is H. Marshall Jarrett?")

sourece < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 25 2011,6:16 pm
From cleanupatf.org

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This call came in today from and EXTREMELY reliable source. If true, its now or never, If Congress cant stop DOJ, this would ne nothing more than sweeping the dirt under the rug. We are the folk who invite heavily armed criminals to our Partys. Who else is going to do that? More importantly, where does the 40 yrs of experience go? If Congress cant force these broken leaders to resign, fire them or indict them. Nobody can or will do what we do. Stay focused and work with DOJ OIG to expose the apthy permiating ATF and DOJ. The American people will lose a dedicated focused and specific aggresive Fedral enforcement and the people responsible for the failure will be hidin in obscurity.

A long time ATF (retired) source called me this afternoon. He has always had good info in the past and said that this has been verified by 3 other sources. There is a white paper in DOJ effectively abolishing ATFE. The explosive laws would be given to FBI and the gun laws to DEA. In addition, ATFE has to cut 450+ positions next year. It does not appear that retirements and early outs could reach that number so RIFS may be used. All contract positions by ATF will be terminated. Further, there will be no ATF training of any kind at Glynco for at least 3 years.
Sounds a little like the early 80's all over again but it is doubtful that the NRA can rescue us this time. He did not at this time have anything about where the agents and staff left standing would end up.


Hmmm....

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 26 2011,6:42 am
Texas Gun Dealer Sues Feds Over Reporting Requirement

A new federal reporting requirement for firearms dealers in four border states, including Texas, intended to curb the flow of weapons into Mexico has prompted a veteran San Antonio gun dealer to file suit against the federal government.

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives issued a rule last week requiring licensed firearms dealers to report to the agency any time two or more long rifles are sold to the same buyer within a five-day period. The move comes as the ATF continues to deal with the fallout from its controversial "Operation Fast and Furious," an investigation into gun trafficking in which federal agents let hundreds of weapons fall into the hands of Mexican drug-cartel operatives.

The new requirement specifically pertains to rifles with calibers greater than .22 and capable of holding a detachable clip and that are sold in the four states that border Mexico, including Arizona, California and New Mexico. The ATF will use its National Tracing Center to analyze the information reported by dealers.

“The whole thing is a waste of time,” said Alex Hamilton, president of 10-Ring Precision Inc., a San Antonio-based firearms seller, who brought the suit against ATF Acting Director Kenneth Melson. “They don’t need to cause me to do more useless paper work when they have all the tools at their disposal.”

Hamilton’s suit was filed in U.S. District Court in the Western District of Texas in San Antonio. It alleges that under the requirement, “10-Ring has been, and will continue to be, threatened with, and subjected to, irreparable harm” which includes “economic loss as a result of having to devote employee time to preparing the reports and the loss of business from both in-state and out of state potential purchasers … who would have been dissuaded from doing so because they wish to protect their privacy rights.”

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Earlier this month, the National Rifle Association filed a similar suit against the government on behalf of two firearms dealers in Arizona.

Hamilton and his attorneys, Allen Halbrook and Richard Gardiner, also allege the rule exceeds the agency’s authority because the new rule is not required by current law and not necessary for a “bona fide criminal investigation.”

Hamilton says the ATF’s screening practices before the new requirement was issued already made it difficult for gun dealers to engage in or aid smuggling.

“Let’s just say I got a bunch of AR-15s, I got 20 of them, and I sell 20 guns to one man,” he said. “When the ATF comes in here for my annual inspection, I am going to tell you, that [sale] is a red flag as big as a garrison flag out at Fort Sam Houston.”

In El Paso this month, Robert Champion, the ATF’s special agent in charge of the Dallas Field Division, which includes a large swath of the Texas-Mexico border, defended the new rule and said it does not infringe on a person’s Second Amendment gun rights. Champion said it expands on a similar reporting requirement for handgun sales that has been in place for decades.

“It just asks the gun dealer to let us know if someone has purchased two or more long gun. That way we can ascertain if he’s doing it on a constant basis,” Champion told the Tribune. “We’ve had cases where if that requirement would have been implemented years ago, it would have helped us identify these traffickers a lot sooner. We are not here to infringe on anyone’s rights. [But] if we are going to ID the traffickers, we have to be able to at least ask where these guns are going.”

Champion said the move is one way to tackle illegal gun-running enterprises near the border, though he acknowledged the breadth of the problem extends far beyond the region.

“This is not just a border issue. It's an internal issue — we’re having trafficking coming all the way from Minnesota, from Indianapolis, from the Seattle area,” he said. “And it’s coming south.”

Opponents of the ATF’s rule question why it only applies to a handful of border states if gun trafficking extends far beyond them.

“So if you’re in Texas you know you’ve got to do it, but if you go some cases 20 miles north, you don’t,” said Alice Tripp, the legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association, the state’s lobbying arm of the NRA. “Like a bad guy wouldn’t go to Oklahoma?”

“Trust is earned”

Even months before the “Fast and Furious” scandal broke, opposition to the new reporting requirement was fierce. The requirement was first proposed in December, leading to complaints directed at both countries’ governments: the United States' for threatening to infringe on constitutional rights and Mexico’s for placing too much blame on the U.S. The Mexican government, opponents said, was submitting for tracing only the weapons it knew would have originated in the U.S. But the "Fast and Furious" scandal has created even more resistance to the agency, which Tripp and Hamilton said should not be trusted.

“When our own government buys guns or allows these guns to be purchased and allows them to become lost across the border and agents are injured, then pretty much any credibility is just lost,” Tripp said. “You don’t want to be a rock in the stream when it comes to a plan that makes sense, but trust is earned and there’s just not any there.”

Champion acknowledged the scandal has tarnished the agency’s reputation but said the ATF has long been underfunded and understaffed, which hinders its ability to move forward. It has also lacked a permanent director for six years. He blames the political winds and the power of the pro-gun lobby.

“We’re at 2,500 agents. We began as an agency, as a bureau in 1972, and we were at the same levels we are now,” he said. “I hear these other agencies like the Border Patrol that have 21,000 agents [while] we have not had that luxury of having that increase for some time. It really is difficult to work some of these investigations.”

The ATF’s budget has remained at about $1.12 billion since 2010, and an ATF spokesman said the number of ATF field agents has remained at about 2,500, with an additional 2,500 in support personnel.

The “Fast and Furious” scandal and the reporting requirement has also caused two Texas lawmakers whose congressional districts combine to include a large part of the Texas-Mexico border to split on their assessments of the agency. U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-El Paso, a former border patrol sector chief, said the public should wait until the government concludes its investigation into the flaw operation to pass judgment.

“Remember this was under the direction of an OCDETF [Organized Crime Drug Enforcement] task force, which means there was an assistant U.S. attorney in charge,” he said. “Normally the OCDETF task forces get and give the information through their chains of command, so that’s something we need to wait on and see what those investigations reveal.”

Asked about the power of the pro-gun lobby, specifically the NRA, and whether he thinks it wields as much of an influence as Champion says, Reyes said: “I wouldn’t dispute their power. When they can shift attention to an agency versus the issue itself of drugs and other contraband coming north and guns and money going south, that’s quite a bit of stroke they have.”

Fellow Democrat and Laredo-area U.S. Rep Henry Cuellar doesn’t necessarily agree.

“I’ve always supported ATF but in this [Fast and Furious] case I think they need to come clean, especially when Congress is asking them questions,” he said, adding that he stands with the NRA in opposition to the new requirement. “At least in my perspective they could have done what they had [to] under the current law. But they still messed up. They seem — and I’ll say ‘seem’ —  to have violated the protocols. So what we are saying is ‘Hey, you got to start following your own current rules before you start talking about something else.’”

With respect to the funding, Cuellar said, at least in his area, the ATF has actually expanded its operations. The agency now has an office there with a modest staff when just a few years back there was no agency presence.

Champion said, however, that adding more agents in one area means pulling some out of another. And if the agency has beefed up its presence on the border, it’s been a reaction to increased activity.

“I was assigned in Houston as assistant special agent in charge there, and I covered Laredo, McAllen — all that area — and we saw in 2005-2006 a substantial increase [in weapons smuggling],” he said.

He and Reyes also refuted recent allegations that a situation similar to “Fast and Furious” occurred in Texas. On Aug. 11, U.S. Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, wrote to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder requesting information about the allegations.

“I write to express my deep concerns regarding press reports of an ATF “gun-walking” program that allegedly operated in the state of Texas,” Cornyn wrote. “I request that the Department of Justice immediately brief my office regarding the scope and details of any past or present ATF “gun-walking programs operated in the state of Texas.”

Champion says the reports are without merit.

“I understand that’s not correct at all. That information is not valid,” he said.

Hamilton’s case is pending.

Meanwhile, the ATF is keeping the spotlight on smuggling in Texas. On Wednesday the agency issued a press release announcing lengthy sentences for two Texans convicted of weapons smuggling. Aurelia Ochoa Hernandez and Pedro Daniel Tovar were sentenced to 30 and eight years, respectively, in federal prison. Both were convicted of conspiracy to smuggle firearms and making false statements in firearms records.

Federal prosecutors said the two were members of a gang directed by Juan Carlos Ramirez Zuniga, a member of the Los Zetas drug cartel, according to testimony presented at trial. Prosecutors said the two were involved in making straw purchases of firearms and smuggling them into Mexico.


What authority does the BATFe (and really big fires) have to impose such a regulation?  They don't, that job belongs to Congress,BATFe (and really big fires) has overstepped their authority on this one, and as such this regulation can be ignored as it is unlawful.  What is interesting is BATFe (and really big fires) loses hundreds of weapons, but now they want FFLs to report multiple weapon purchases because they might be going across the border, DUMB just DUMB.  BATFe (and really big fires) own agents have said this will amount to nothing and is a waste of time not only for the BATFe (and really big fires), but for the FFLs.

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Aug. 26 2011,12:12 pm
Well, one thing is certain, if Grinning Dragon disagrees with you he'll throw the book at you, literally.
Posted by MADDOG on Aug. 26 2011,7:46 pm
GD, I imagine you've seen this email circulated on the internet, but I don't remember you posting it.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2011,9:29 pm
Sipsey Street Exclusive: "Meetings, Part 2." NM Summit: "A unified effort, cutting across the entire DOJ, to address illegal firearms trafficking."

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"Things like this happen because of meetings. People sit in meetings and they decide what they want to happen. And then they take decisions, make policy and implement that policy to achieve those ends." He added, "That's why State is so nervous. They signed off on this. In a meeting." . . . He added, "Of course the meeting transcripts won't reflect the truth so plainly, but then neither did the Wannsee Conference. These bastards always talk in riddles about what they're really after. Watch what they do, not what they say." -- Old DC intelligence community member, quoted in Meetings: Part One.


At approximately 5:40 PM on Monday, 29 June 2009, Deputy Attorney General of the United States David Ogden landed in "Duke City" -- Albuquerque, New Mexico -- via Southwest Flight #663. Albuquerque was named for the Spanish Viceroy Francisco Fernandez de la Cueva, the Duke of Alburquerque, but somewhere along the line the first "r" in the spelling was dropped. However that may be, it's named after a duke, thus it is known as "Duke City."

Shortly after landing DAG Ogden had dinner at Garduno's Restaurant at the Winrock Mall on Louisiana Boulevard, where, it is said, they have "chile so hot it makes your ice water." After dinner, he went to his lodgings at the Sheraton Albuquerque Downtown, just five blocks down Louisiana.

He came into Duke City to give the keynote address at the Violent Crimes and Firearms Trafficking Summit and to witness the ATF-ICE Memorandum of Understanding signing ceremony in a room just off the Grand Ballroom at the Sheraton.

Ogden spoke immediately after H. Marshall Jarrett, Director of the Justice Department's Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys (more about him in a minute). First, here is Ogden's speech. Pay close attention to the clues and nuances, as well as the words:

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   Thank you, Marshall, for that kind introduction and to Ken Melson and ATF for inviting me to speak with you this morning. I want to commend Ken and his staff at ATF for organizing this excellent program on one of the most important sets of issues facing the Department and this country today -- it is an honor to help kick it off.

   Let me begin by welcoming all the law enforcement officers, agents and prosecutors. Thank you for taking the time to come from across the country to participate in this conference. You are on the frontlines of our fight against violent crime and firearms trafficking. By coming together in forums like this, you help bring the coordinate and combined force of your agencies to bear on this vital task of making our streets and neighborhoods safe. Thank you for your personal contributions and commitment.

   I am very pleased to be joined here on stage by four fine colleagues and leaders. Ken, Marshall, and Lanny represent and lead essential components of what is a unified effort, cutting across the entire Department of Justice, to address illegal firearms trafficking. (Emphasis supplied, MBV) It is only through the combined efforts of ATF, the U.S. Attorney's Offices and the Criminal Division -- working together in a coordinated strategy -- that we can be truly effective in intercepting, prosecuting and shutting down gun trafficking networks.

   John Morton -- a fine former colleague at DOJ -- also represents and leads a key component of our united effort. When we learned that John was leaving us for DHS, we were, of course, sorry to lose such a valued colleague and a gifted lawyer, but we were also thrilled to know that we would have a great partner at ICE. In the short time that John has been at DHS, it is clear that he is an asset to our common cause. With these fine leaders working together and with each of you, we will prevent the flow of guns that is fueling the escalating violence and drug trafficking that threatens our safety and the safety of the Mexican people.

   I wish I could participate in the entire program.

   The Southwest Border is the Front Line of the Fight Against Illegal Gun Trafficking.

   I'd like to take a moment to say a few words about our efforts to prevent firearms from traveling across the border to Mexico and contributing to the alarming rise of drug cartel violence there. Keeping guns out of the hands of the Mexican drug warlords is a top priority for the Department, and a key element of our campaign against them. It is one that the President and the Attorney General have promised to address quickly and aggressively.

   For the past three months, I've been leading the Department's efforts against the Mexican cartels. All of the Department's law enforcement agencies -- ATF, DEA, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service, together with our partners at DHS and Treasury -- are central players in our strategy which utilizes multi-agency, intelligence-based, prosecutor-led task forces. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.) The federal law enforcement components are joined by attorneys from the 94 United States Attorney's Offices and the Department's Criminal Division as well as our hundreds of partners in state, local, tribal and international law enforcement agencies. Interdiction and border security are central to our task. But our partnership also uses shared intelligence and law enforcement tools including prosecution to directly attack the powerful criminal drug trafficking organizations. Our efforts have resulted in extraordinary recent enforcement successes like Project Reckoning and Operation Xcelerator.

   Stepping up the fight requires new resources and we've already jumpstarted the process. For example, ATF has reassigned 100 agents to the Southwest Border to focus on these very issues. I want to thank Ken and all the ATF field offices represented here for answering the call and picking up the slack that must follow from pulling that many agents from your offices. To assist this effort, we have obtained additional funding for Project Gunrunner. These funds will allow ATF to open five new field offices and support their efforts to better detect, deter and combat firearms trafficking offenses. DEA and the Marshal's Service, the U.S. Attorney's offices and the FBI have also added resources and sharpened their focus.

   Increased Cooperation between the Department and DHS

   But folks, we will be successful only if we take a cooperative, coordinated approach -- across all level of government, both domestically and internationally -- to communicate to illegal firearms traffickers that their activities will no longer be tolerated. When we work together, we have a substantial impact.

   The Departments of Justice and Homeland Security know that our success depends upon working closely together and together we are laying the groundwork for greater success. Last week, DOJ and DHS signed a new Memorandum of Understanding to make sure that our law enforcement components are fully coordinated on investigations involving firearms trafficking, drug trafficking and other serious crimes. The two agencies announced that ICE would fully participate in the key Fusion Centers that coordinate cases on a national and international scale. This marks a significant milestone. From now on, an ATF agent in Las Cruces, an ICE agent in El Paso, and FBI agent in Laredo or a DEA agent in Tucson can "connect the dots" when working on seemingly disparate investigations that are actually part of a larger firearms trafficking enterprise. (Emphasis supplied, MBV)

   (MBV NOTE: So, what then are the chances that these other agencies were uninformed about Fast and Furious and other gunwalking operations?)

   In addition, today ATF and ICE are signing another agreement to ensure coordination between the Departments on firearms investigations. This new agreement will help ensure seamless cooperation by maximizing the agencies' ability to work closely together to stem the illegal flow of arms in and out of the United States. This means more integrated and efficient investigations into breaking up illegal firearms trafficking networks. Now ATF agents and ICE agents who are tracking separate leads concerning the same illegal firearms trafficking organization will more effectively share their intelligence, avoid conflicts and potentially pool their efforts.

   These are just two recent examples of a new era of partnership between the Departments which the AAttorney General and I are deeply committed to -- like Secretary Napolitano and Deputy Secretary Lute. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)

   (MBV NOTE: I can't wait for Janet Napolitano to be asked about the Gunwalker Plot under oath. I just can't wait.)

   Increased Cooperation with Mexico

   We also know our partnership can't stop at the border. Victory in this fight requires that we forge a closer working relationship with out Mexican partners across the border. The Calderon Administration has shown extraordinary courage and resolve in attacking the cartels head-on and we are working with them in this initiative.

   To that end, the Attorney General was in Mexico earlier this year to express his personal commitment to using all available resources to stem the southbound tide of firearms and bulk cash. The Department is undertaking a broad review of our firearms trafficking strategy to ensure that we have sufficient resources and coordination to be as effective as we can.

   The Department also is fully committed to ATF's eTrace initiative with our Mexican counterparts. eTrace allows law enforcement agencies to identify trafficking trends of drug trafficking organizations and other criminal organizations funneling guns into Mexio and from the United States. eTrace also assists in developing investigative leads in order to stop firearms traffickers and straw purchasers before they cross the border. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)

   (MBV NOTE: Indeed? Before they cross the border? How? Certainly eTrace use by the Mexican government can track the weapons once found beside the bodies of dead Mexican citizens, but how so BEFORE they cross the border? Is this the intellectual predicate for gunwalking? That we should let some weapons across in order to later interdict others? How many murders then would be enough? In any case, Ogden recognizes eTrace as a valuable tool for tying American civilian market firearms to deaths in Mexico. But to what end?)

   Firearms Trafficking Is a Nationwide Problem that Requires a Nationwide Strategy.

   As Ken and others have mentioned this morning, the problem of firearms trafficking is more than a Southwest Border issue, it's a nationwide problem that requires a nationwide commitment. Firearms trafficking going on away from the border supports equally damaging gang violence and drug trafficking.

   As you know, firearms trafficking cases take time to develop and are not always glamorous. Prosecuting individual straw purchasers may not seem in isolation to have a lot of jury appeal or to be making a dent in the trafficking problem. But that straw purchaser was not a victimless "paperwork" violation -- it was the action that provided the guns to the drig trafficker, who used them in horrific acts of violence. Pursuing that seemingly unglamorous case each of you -- as prosecutors and agents -- help reduce the violence outside your jurisdictions. . .

   Conclusion

   Let me close by saying how grateful the Department is to the law enforcement officers, agents and prosecutors here today. We share your mission and will do everything in our power to support the important work you do every day for the cause of justice.

   To that end the Department is convening this summer at the National Advocacy Center the first-ever training conference on firearms trafficking across the Southwest Border. This conference will mark the first time we have brought together ATF, ICE, DEA, FBI and U.S. Attorneys to train agents and prosecutors on firearms trafficking investigations and prosecutions. I hope many of you can be there.

   As vanguards in this work, you carry a heavy burden. The task is difficult, dangerous and vitally important. The Attorney General and I appreciate your efforts, and assure you that you have the full support of the Department of Justice.


Following his speech, Ogden participated in the ATF-ICE MOU ceremony and then at 10:30 left for the New Mexico District U.S. Attorney's Office for a half hour one-on-one with U.S. Attorney Gregory J. Fouratt. At 11:30 he participated in a working lunch with the Senior Staff of Fouratt's office, which included Fouratt, FAUSA Steve Yarbrough, Criminal Division Chief Fred Frederici, Civil Division Chief Jan Mitchell and Administrative Officer Ruth Cox. After lunch Ogden met with Albuquerque USAO personnel and with the folks in the Las Cruces branch office by video teleconference for another half-hour.

At 1 PM Ogden met with FBI SAC Carol Lee, DEA SAC Joseph Arabit, U.S. Marshal Gorden Eden and ATF Bill Newell. The meeting lasted about 25 minutes and then he was driven to the U.S. Distict Courthouse on Lomas Boulevard in Albuquerque, where he met with Chief U.S. District Judge Martha Vasquez.

By 2:45 he was enroute back to the airport where he took Southwest Flight #328 back to Baltimore-Washington International Airport. He was in the air by 4:00 PM and landed at 9:50 PM EDT.

He slept in his own bed that night.

No doubt he was happy that he had communicated the new administration's firearms trafficking plan to the DOJ and DHS masses. A few months later, Gunwalker was going full tilt boogie.

(In "Meetings: Part 3" we will deal with H. Marshall Jarrett, Director of the Justice Department's Executive Office of U.S. Attorneys, who he is, who he replaced and his own performance at the Summit.)

source < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/search?...ults=20 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2011,9:46 pm
Sipsey Street Exclusive: "Meetings, Part 3." H. Marshall Jarrett, the reliable political hatchet man. "Melson is unethical."

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The Office of Professional Responsibility, reporting directly to the Attorney General, is responsible for investigating allegations of misconduct involving Department attorneys that relate to the exercise of their authority to investigate, litigate or provide legal advice, as well as allegations of misconduct by law enforcement personnel when related to allegations of attorney misconduct within the jurisdiction of OPR. . . The objective of OPR is to ensure that Department of Justice attorneys continue to perform their duties in accordance with the high professional standards expected of the Nation's principal law enforcement agency. . . Some allegations of misconduct by Department attorneys do not fall within the jurisdiction of OPR and are investigated by the Office of the Inspector General (OIG). OPR's jurisdiction is limited to reviewing allegations of misconduct made against Department of Justice attorneys and law enforcement personnel that relate to the attorneys' exercise of authority to investigate, litigate, or provide legal advice. The OIG is required to notify OPR of the existence and results of any OIG investigation that reflects upon the professional ethics, competence or integrity of a Department attorney. In such cases, OPR will take appropriate action. From the Department of Justice Website.


Or not.
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"Things like this happen because of meetings. People sit in meetings and they decide what they want to happen. And then they take decisions, make policy and implement that policy to achieve those ends." He added, "That's why State is so nervous. They signed off on this. In a meeting." . . . He added, "Of course the meeting transcripts won't reflect the truth so plainly, but then neither did the Wannsee Conference. These bastards always talk in riddles about what they're really after. Watch what they do, not what they say." -- Old DC intelligence community member, quoted in Meetings: Part One.


Meet H. Marshall Jarrett, political "non-political" head of the DOJ's Office of Professional Responsibility for a decade and current head of the Executive Office of US Attorneys.

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One thing is certain, now after three hearings and hundreds of leaked documents and press revelations. The Gunwalker Scandal did not begin in Phoenix, Arizona. William "Gunwalker Bill" Newell did not arise from his bed one fine morning in late 2009 and decide, after brushing his teeth, "Today I'm going to start my own foreign policy, facilitate the smuggling of weapons to Mexico and commit numerous acts of war on a sovereign nation."

In a bureaucracy -- especially the current federal law enforcement bureaucracy -- policies, and demand for actions to carry out those policies, come from above. Where, then, did Gunwalker come from? Or, specifically, from what meetings? -- Mike Vanderboegh, "Meetings, Part 1."


I've been doing a lot of thinking lately about meetings, bureaucracy and political legitimacy and the lessons that the Gunwalker Scandal teaches us. I happened across this report from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD).

The report, with the jaw-breaking titled of "Study on the Political Involvement in Senior Staffing and on the Delineation of Responsibilities Between Ministers and Senior Civil Servants" examines the interface between the permanent civil service bureaucrats and the temporary politicians who must direct them and how that effects the long-term legitimacy of the government that they serve.

Stating that "The public service is inherently political," the report continues:

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Discussions about the relationship between bureaucrats and politicians frequently take Max Weber’s model of bureaucracy as a starting point. . . Weber argued that the division of labour between politicians and bureaucrats would work best when there is a clear distinction between the two sets of actors. He saw administrators as instrumental and subordinate to politicians – as technical experts who should advise and efficiently execute the decisions of politicians as the sovereign representative. He saw “neutral competence” as a determining characteristic of the administrator. However while politicians are in charge of defining the policies to be implemented by bureaucrats, Weber pointed out the danger that career civil servants might dominate politicians through their superior knowledge, technical expertise and longer experience, in contrast to the frequently changing ministers.

This observation corresponds to what new institutional economics refers to as “information asymmetry” – the possibility that the “principal” may be thwarted in their efforts to control and direct the “agent”, because the agent is in a position to hide, or fail to reveal important information. The modern movement to formalise agreements on goals and reporting requirements between the political and administrative domains (and between the legislative and executive domains) can be seen as attempting to reduce this informational disadvantage.

Weber’s theoretical model, often considered as an ideal type of bureaucracy, was, however, rarely found in practice. Peters (and others) argue that the public service is inherently a political creation, and, thus can never be made fully apolitical. Bureaucrats, in delivering a public service to the citizens, inevitably participate in the political role of deciding who gets what from the public sector. . . However, many authors claim politicisation has increased over the years, citing a "thickening” with added layers of political appointees even in countries that already possessed several politically appointed echelons such as the United States. . . (Others) similarly report a growing involvement of political actors in roles which are traditionally played by public servants. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)


This "thickening" is perhaps best illustrated by examining the career of our next actor in the story of the run-up to the Gunwalker Scandal, H. Marshall Jarrett. Indeed, Jarrett's biography indicates just how a bureaucrat may become a political actor and then, with the change of administrations, drop back down to lurk among the "non-political" bureaucracy, only to pop up again when his political friends come back into power, or, failing that, to wreak political havoc on an unfriendly administration by sabotaging its programs and policies from within while using the "civil service" shield to deflect retribution.

From July, 2009, AllGov.com gives us this biographical sketch: < Director of United States Attorneys: Who is H. Marshall Jarrett? >

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   On April 8, 2009, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that he was appointing H. Marshall Jarrett, since 1998 the Chief Counsel and Director of the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR), the new Director of the Office of United States Attorneys, which has direct supervisory responsibility over the 94 United States Attorneys offices in the US and its territories.

   Born in 1945 in Bluefield, West Virginia, H. Marshall Jarrett earned his BA in 1966 from West Virginia University and his law degree in 1969 from the WVU College of Law. Jarrett has worked as a government attorney for most of his career, starting as a Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania from 1973 to 1975. He commenced his federal career in 1975, when he was hired to be an Assistant U.S. Attorney (trial lawyer) in the Southern District of West Virginia. In 1979 and 1980, he served as Deputy Director of the Enforcement Division of the Commodities Futures Trading Commission.

   In 1980, Jarrett joined the Justice Department’s Public Integrity Section, prosecuting public officials for corruption, eventually rising to Deputy Chief. During his tenure there, Jarrett prosecuted a variety of defendants, including CIA agents for stealing government funds, the chairman of Kentucky’s Democratic Party for an insurance mail fraud and tax scheme, and a Mississippi sheriff for drug trafficking. In 1988, he became Chief of the Criminal Division for Washington DC, managing high-profile prosecutions, including those of Mayor Marion Barry and Congressman Dan Rostenkowski. In 1997, Jarrett became an Associate Deputy Attorney General, before being named as Chief Counsel of OPR in 1998. As a sidelight, in 2008, Jarrett was a finalist for the job of Dean of the West Virginia University College of Law.

   AT OPR, Jarrett investigated several scandals and controversies involving DOJ attorneys, including allegations that Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez lied in sworn testimony to Congress; that Gonzalez or others fired nine US attorneys based on political considerations; that Gonzalez or other highly-placed DOJ officials unlawfully hired attorneys based on partisan political considerations; that DOJ attorneys acted improperly in creating and overseeing the National Security Agency’s warrantless eavesdropping program; and whether DOJ attorneys acted professionally in approving the legality of the use of torture, including waterboarding, in interrogating suspected terrorists. The first two investigations have yet to be completed. The look into hiring practices found that high officials had broken civil service laws, violated department policy and engaged in “misconduct” by hiring based on politics and whether an applicant was a Christian. The NSA investigation was torpedoed by President Bush’s refusal to grant Jarrett and his attorneys the security clearances they needed to perform the investigation. The final probe determined that DOJ attorneys acted unprofessionally in approving the use of torture by ignoring key precedents.


Some of you may not recall the case of Dan Rostenkowski, a powerful Democrat from Chicago and Chairman of the United States House Committee on Ways and Means.

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Rostenkowski's political career ended in 1994 after a two year investigation by the Justice Department. In a case led by future U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, (Emphasis supplied, MBV.) Rostenkowski was indicted on corruption charges for his role in the House post office scandal. He was forced to step down from all Congressional leadership positions. In elections later that year, Rostenkowski lost his seat and retired from political life. Charges against Rostenkowski included keeping "ghost" employees on his payroll, using Congressional funds to buy gifts such as chairs and ashtrays for friends, and trading in officially purchased stamps for cash at the House post office. While the stamps-for-cash allegation received the most media coverage, those charges were dismissed on the recommendation of the prosecutor. In 1996, he pleaded guilty to reduced charges of mail fraud. He was fined and was sentenced to 17 months in prison, of which he served 15 at the federal prison in Oxford, Wisconsin, and the remaining 2 months at a half way house in Chicago. Rostenkowski was pardoned in December 2000 by President Clinton, who said "Rostenkowski had done a lot for his country and had more than paid for his mistakes." -- Wikipedia.


The Rostenkowski scandal was one of the many examples of public corruption that led to the GOP takeover of Congress in 1994. The Democrats were furious at "Rosty" for the electoral damage that they took on his behalf. If the damage was to be contained, the Clinton Administration had to make an example of him, and they did. You will note that they entrusted this delicate task to two politically reliable DOJ "professionals" -- Eric Holder and H. Marshall Jarrett. Some may argue that the prosecution of Rosty and other Democrats publicly outed in the press as being corrupt is an example of their political impartiality. Nothing could be further from the truth. Again, Wikipedia:

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Former President Gerald Ford, whose lone pardon letter in all his ex-White House years was on behalf of Rostenkowski, told a biographer, "Danny's problem was he played precisely under the rules of the city of Chicago. Now, those aren't the same rules that any other place in the country lives by, but in Chicago they were totally legal, and Danny got a screwing". . . Pulitzer Prize winning columnist Mike Royko, a frequent Rostenkowski critic, wrote “Nobody should be taking pleasure from Rostenkowski’s misfortune.. . . Rostenkowski was a big political fish - the kind of trophy that an ambitious federal prosecutor loves to stuff and hang on his wall…That’s what did Rostenkowski in – a federal prosecutor’s personal ambitions."


That prosecutor was Eric Holder and his deputy was H. Marshall Jarrett. And while it is certain that Holder had big personal ambitions, he and Jarrett were merely carrying out a distasteful political necessity for their political party and its boss, Bill Clinton. Such people are appreciated by their masters and thus move up in the hierarchy of power. And so Holder and Jarrett did. "In 1997, Jarrett became an Associate Deputy Attorney General, before being named as Chief Counsel of OPR in 1998."

This was a post he held for ten years, throughout the Bush Administration, because, of course, it was "non-political." From there he did his best to surreptitiously cause the Bushies trouble and, as you can read above, he did just that.

The Rostenkowski prosecution was only one aspect of their utility to the Clintonistas however. From their positions within the Justice Department, Holder and Jarrett also deflected scrutiny or foiled honest investigations in a whole series of Clinton Administration scandals, including Waco.

And yet Jarrett's "non-political" job at OPR protected his highly-political bureaucratic ass from removal by the Bushies, who didn't want the hassle of trying to remove a "career civil servant."

Then came Obama.

In April 2009, it was decided to do a little < cosmetic reshuffling. >  As Daphne Eviatar of the Washington Independent reported, "Holder Names New Justice Department Ethics Chief."

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Attorney General Eric Holder this afternoon named Mary Patrice Brown as the new head of the Office of Professional Responsibility, the Justice Department’s internal ethics unit.

The changing of the guard at the sensitive ethics office comes just after embarrassing revelations of federal attorney misconduct in the prosecution of former Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska). U.S. District Court Judge Emmett Sullivan earlier this week went so far as to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the matter, and Holder announced last week that he would dismiss the indictment. Stevens was convicted last fall of ethics violations for accepting about $250,000 worth of gift he never declared from an oil services company executive.

The Office of Professional Responsibility is also in the hot seat now as observers — and some senators — eagerly await a review it has reportedly prepared, analyzing and harshly criticizing the conduct of former lawyers in the Office of Legal Counsel at the Justice Department, including John Yoo and Jay Bybee, who is now a federal judge. Those lawyers are accused of manipulating the law to draft memos justifying harsh interrogation techniques that include waterboarding, a form of torture. That report is still under review by Holder and others. According to Newsweek, former Attorney General Michael Mukasey objected to the report and blocked its disclosure during his tenure.

Mary Patrice Brown, Holder’s pick, now leads the criminal division of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the District of Columbia. She will become only the third chief of that unit since it was established in 1975, after the Watergate scandal.

H. Marshall Jarrett, the current head of the ethics office, has been tapped to lead the executive office of U.S. attorneys, which sets policy and handles disputes among the Justice Department in Washington and the 94 U.S. Attorneys around the country.

Jarrett will replace Kenneth Melson, who has been named acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.


Yes, you got that right. Jarrett, the useful fellow who had been bobbing up and down from "civil service" bureaucrat to political hatchet man and back again was transferred to EOUSA because the previous holder of that office, another useful tool named Ken "Gunwalker Man" Melson, had been transferred to become Acting Director of the ATF. You see, if you have enough jobs available, you can transfer your failures and make it look like a positive social good -- at least to the unwary who are not paying attention.

At the time, there were some who saw this as less than optimal.

On 8 April 2009, Joe Palazzolo also reported at Legal Times, "Holder Names New OPR Chief."

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H. Marshall Jarrett, the longtime chief lawyer in the Justice Department’s Office of Professional Responsibility, is being reassigned to head the Executive Office for United States Attorneys, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr. announced today.

The move comes one day after a federal judge questioned the “deafening" silence at OPR regarding the status of an investigation of allegations of misconduct in the case of former Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens. Holder has appointed Mary Patrice Brown, criminal chief of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia, as acting head of the office.

Brown, a well-regarded career prosecutor, is the office’s third chief since its creation in 1975. She held numerous high-level positions in the D.C. U.S. Attorney’s Office, including executive assistant U.S. attorney for operations, deputy chief of the Fraud and Public Corruption Section, and deputy chief of the Appellate Division. She and Holder worked closely together when he was the District's U.S. attorney. (For a little more on Brown, click here for our Q&A with her a couple years ago.)

“Mary Pat has a stellar reputation and the highest integrity,” said Holder in a statement. “I trust her sense of fairness and judgment implicitly.”
The shuffle follows criticisms from U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan that OPR was dragging its feet in the Stevens investigation, which began in October. Sullivan dismissed the case yesterday, on a motion by the government, and appointed an outside lawyer to investigate the prosecutors' conduct.

Jarrett, who led OPR for decade, will oversee the 94 U.S. attorneys offices in his new position. Before his job at OPR, Jarrett was an associate deputy attorney general, and like Brown, he served as the criminal chief in U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Columbia. He and Holder first worked together in the department's Public Integrity Section in the 1980s.

“I have had the privilege of working with Marshall over the years and I have the highest regard for his experience, talents and capabilities,” said Holder. The attorney general said Jarrett had been "a tremendous leader in OPR."

Justice Department officials were quick to dismiss a link between Jarrett’s reassignment and Sullivan’s remarks.

“It had nothing at all to do with it,” said spokesman Matt Miller. “This was planned before yesterday and is a reflection of the confidence the attorney general has in all three of the individuals.

Holder also announced today the appointment of Kenneth Melson to serve as acting head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. Melson had been the director of the EOUSA since 2007. He has also served as acting and interim U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia, where he began his career as a federal prosecutor.


This story brought some very cynical and disapproving comments. "SR" wrote:

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Mary Patrice Brown, an EXTREMELY poor choice to head OPR. That woman, who is rather notorious around the US Atty's Office for being rather, odd-a mercurial personality at best. She is likely very good at cultivating relationships with those at the top, like Holder, who is a good man, and who does NOT have personality quirks or defects-very well-adjusted (a rarity in Washington political circles, btw) in an effort to increase her status-she's probably a hard worker, but all the evidence would indicate that she is still-nuts-somebody who holds grudges over nothing. And simply because this Post reporter has gone out and found Kenneth Wainstein - another not very bright light who has managed, like a few others out of the U.S. Atty's Office, to ingratiate himself with the right crowd - which is not the same as saying he's intelligent or insightful, by any means, but simply adept at playing the Washington game.

I fear the Obama administration in some ways, might be even worse than the Bush Administration, particularly in the Justice Department, and it is impossible to think how much worse it could get at Justice after the last several years.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.


"JA" replied:

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Kenneth Melson is unethical. He has an outstanding OPR complaint against him. He has done some truly astonishing things particularly in 2007, right before he got promoted to the EOUSA, in order to cover up the prosecutorial misconduct of a certain prosecutor that Rosenberg and McNulty wanted to protect. When that story comes out, and it will, it will be VERY VERY UGLY.


"Steve" added:

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He didn't begin his career as a prosecutor at EDVa., Joe; I suppose it would be accurate to say he began his career as a federal prosecutor there. I believe Ken Melson served in the Arlington County state's attorney's office in Virginia for several years prior to joining the USAO.


Hmmm. Sounds like some interesting background info on Mr. Melson has yet to surface. (Written with a wink and a nod to FOX and CBS.)

A long-time ATF veteran told me of the agency scuttlebutt at the time:

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My understanding is that Melson did not want the ATF job but he had no choice, since Holder was taking care of Jarrett and did not owe Melson any loyalty. Melson was worried about his career status retirement, as head of ATF he would fall under "exempt" status that would somehow affect his retirement.

I heard Melson pitched quite a bitch to keep his job, but was told it was ATF or nothing, and that they would take care of him later.


Lucky Melson. I wonder if the promise from Holder still stands. ;-)

QUOTE
The so-called "iron river of guns" from the United States arms Mexican drug cartels to the teeth. The cartels purchase weapons at gun shows from unlicensed sellers who are not required to conduct background checks. Or the cartels use "straw buyers" with clean criminal records to buy guns for them. According to ATF, more than 90% of guns seized after raids or shootings in Mexico have been traced to the United States. -- Opening Statement of Senator Richard J. Durbin, Hearing on "Law Enforcement Responses to Mexican Drug Cartels." March 17, 2009


Three months after his transfer to EOUSA, Jarrett was giving the intro speech for Deputy Attorney General Ogden at the Violent Crime and Firearms Trafficking Summit in Albuquerque. Taking his cue from a favorite Senator of his, Jarrett wanted everybody to know, "We are committed to stopping the river of illegal weapons -- both to Mexico and throughout this country."


Ah, yes. The "Iron River." It became an early meme of the Obamanoids. Durbin made it popular. And every bleating sheep in the administration and the lapdog media echoed it. Here's an early example from USA Today: < ATF takes aim at deep 'Iron river of guns.' > Of course two years later this 90% myth would be thoruoughly debunked by folks as dissimilar as Stratfor, < "Mexico's Gun Supply and the 90 Percent Myth" > and < "Senator Chuck Grassley demolishes the ‘river of guns’ myth." >

But in June 2009, the iron river was the marketing concept for more gun control and Jarrett was right on the mark in towing the line on the meme:

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   Good morning. It is my pleasure to be here this morning as part of the United States Attorney community to express our commitment in the battle against violent crime and illegal firearms trafficking. The primary example of our commitment to this battle is the exemplary work of the 540 Assistant U.S. Attorneys in the five Southwest Border districts, handling national and district-level priorities which include drug trafficking, firearms trafficking, violent crimes, and immigration offenses. Although the Assistant U.S. Attorneys in these five border district offices comprise only eleven percent of the nation's AUSAs, they have been responsible for initiating 35 percent of all felony cases filed in U.S. District Courts nation-wide.

   The problem of illegal firearm trafficking is not simply a Southwest Border problem. Yes, we are concerned about the violence caused by the flow of illegal firearms across the border. And we are also concerned about the violence caused by the flow of illegal firearms from source states to our cities within the United States.

   As the flow of illegal firearms from the U.S. into the hands of the Mexican cartels contributes to the violence along the Southwest Border, so does the flow of illegal firearms from source states into the hands of gangs and drug dealers in our major cities, also cause violence.

   We are committed to stopping the river of illegal weapons -- both to Mexico and throughout this country. And to do that we need to employ a comprehensive strategy that focuses on the cases in the source states. That strategy would include aggressively pursuing: the straw purchase case; the corrupt FFL cases; and the highway interdiction cases where weapons are found.

   Also, we need to pursue the cases along the border: the illegal export cases; the border stop cases; the public corruption cases that arise out of illegal firearm trafficking business.

   And we need to pursue the organizations that traffic across the border: the criminal enterprises that are buying the guns that come south and sending the drugs north.

   The only solution is a comprehensive solution. And for a comprehensive solution to succeed we need to work together, cooperatively. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)

   The prosecutors must work with each other across districts.

   The agents must work with each other across agencies and the prosecutors and agents must work together cooperatively.

   And we all must work with the state, local and the Mexican authorities.

   There are several examples of how the Executive Office for United States Attorneys will support these cooperative efforts:

   ** In August, we will be hosting a four day training at the National Advocacy Center on investigating and prosecuting Southwest Border Firearms Trafficking Cases. At that training we will bring together a number of agencies including ATF, DEA, FBI, CBP, and ICE, to train about 60 AUSAs and 80 agents. Because of the importance of this initiative, Federal state, local and Mexican law enforcement personnel will participate in the training.

   ** In October, we are sponsoring a Violent Crime Coordinators Training, again at the NAC, where we will include as an integral part of the training, important sessions on investigating and prosecuting illegal firearms trafficking.

   ** Also, AUSAs working in EOUSA in Washington are participating in policy working groups which are examining aspects of the violence and firearms trafficking issues. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)

   ** AUSA Tate Chambers, our National Project Safe Neighborhood Coordinator, and former USA Gretchen Shappert work on gang violence for EOUSA and bring a wealth of experience to our effort.

   ** In the upcoming weeks, the Department will be allocating 28 new attorney positions to the United States Attorney's offices to support violent crime, firearms trafficking, and immigration enforcement. In addition, the President has requested an additional $8.1 million for fiscal year 2010, which translates to approximately 50 attorney and support positions to support these same initiatives. The Department will continue to seek resources in future years to ensure our success in this effort.

   Later today you will hear about two very successful investigations and prosecutions: Operation Delta Blues out of Northern Mississippi and Northern Illinois; and Operation Angels Cottage out of New Mexico. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.) Both successful operations were investigated by ATF and prosecuted by U.S. Attorney's offices. The ATF in Chicago noticed that a number of firearms recovered there could be traced back to the four FFLs in Oxford, MS. The number of firearms recovered was significant enough that an investigation was initiated. Ultimately, the investigation established that straw purchases of firearms in Mississippi were ending up in the hands of gang members in Chicago. The combined efforts of these offices resulted in numerous prosecutions and seizures primarily by the Northern District of Illinois U.S. Attorney and ATF in Chicago. However, a critical role was played by the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Mississippi and by the ATF office in New Orleans, where those offices investigated and prosecuted four defendants.

   Finally, I want to restate the importance of teamwork. Working with their law enforcement partners, the United States Attorneys' offices along the Southwest Border will identify the most pressing law enforcement threats and jointly craft investigative and prosecutorial strategies that leverage our resources in the in the most effective way possible. As Chief Law Enforcement Officers in their districts, the U.S. Attorneys are in a unique position to appreciate the impact that local issues, juries, judiciary, and others have on design and implementation of effective enforcement strategies. I know that each U.S. Attorney realizes fully the importance of ensuring that everyone works together. They understand that we can address the entire problem from the straw purchases in Oxford, Mississippi to the cartels in Juarez, Mexico.

   The message I bring you today is that the United States Attorney community is dedicated to doing its part to stop the river of illegal weapons. (Emphasis supplied, MBV.)


I have as yet found no mention on the Internet of "Operation Angels Cottage out of New Mexico." As that would have been in the Area of Operations of the Phoenix Field Division and "Gunwalker Bill" Newell, I am more than a little interested in finding out more about it. FOIAs are being prepared to seek out more details of the 30 June 2009 Summit as well.

In the end, the administration did in fact find a way to "address the entire problem from the straw purchases in Oxford, Mississippi to the cartels in Juarez, Mexico."

Today we call it "the Gunwalker Scandal."

(Next, in "Meetings, Part 4" we return to DAG David Ogden and follow his trail to the next meetings later in the year in Phoenix and Houston.)

source < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2011,9:52 pm
First they protect the Gunwalker Conspirators and now ATF Headquarters "Celebrates" the Multiple Rifle Sale Reporting Diktat!

Just received this over the electronic transom here at Sipsey Street. This email is said to have been generated by Teresa Ficaretta and it references Arthur Herbert. Redactions have been made to protect sources.

From: (REDACTED)
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:36 AM
Subject: Rifle Multiple Sale Reporting Program Celebration

Please join us on Wednesday, August 31, at 9:30 a.m., in Conference Room B to celebrate the successful completion of the rifle multiple sale reporting program. Collaboration among many directorates made this program possible, and REDACTED and I want to recognize and thank all the employees who contributed to our success.

This celebration will be held in connection with our EPS supervisors meeting to be held in the same room beginning at 10am. Please forward this invitation to all the remaining EPS supervisors in Martinsburg. I initially tried to list all their names, but I know I will leave some of the section supervisors out, and our celebration would not be complete without them. (REDACTED) and I look forward to seeing you all in Martinsburg.


The staffs of both Senator Grassley and Congressman Issa have been advised of this outrage. As a long-time ATF street agent told me:

"(This is a) planned celebration on gov't time and in gov't building. I have NEVER seen such a blatant partisan action as this in my entire time in the government."

He goes on to say, "Celebrating blatantly circumventing congressional intent and law and then rather than just enforcing it, we are actually celebrating pro or anti guns policies? I AM PISSED."

This agent has every right to be. So too does the House of Representatives. These guys just figuratively jumped up on the desks of the GOP Representatives and Senators and took a huge dump. No wonder they're happy about it.

If they get away it, that is.

source < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011...ey.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2011,9:55 pm
As per the following, Melson leaves at COB today. Too bad he isn't taking a host of others with him!!!!

Acting head of alcohol, tobacco and firearms taskforce is reassigned
By Chris Strohm National Journal August 30, 2011
The embattled head of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives is being replaced in the aftermath of a botched sting operation that allowed guns to knowingly fall into the hands of violent criminals in Mexico.

Kenneth Melson will be replaced as acting ATF director by U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota B. Todd Jones, the Justice Department announced Tuesday. Jones is expected to assume the new position on Aug. 31. Melson is being reassigned as a senior advisor on forensic science in the Office of Legal Policy, the department said.

Melson came under fire for a program called Operation Fast and Furious, which was ran out of the ATF Phoenix field office. The operation has been halted and is under investigation by lawmakers and the Justice Department?s inspector general for failing to stop guns from flowing into Mexico.

source National Journal

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 30 2011,9:59 pm
NM gun smuggling case gets bigger

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ALBUQUERQUE (KRQE) - The Columbus gun smuggling case might be linked to a national case.

The mayor, police chief and a trustee have all pled guilty to running guns to the Juarez drug cartel "La Linea".

At a hearing for police Chief Angelo Vega on Thursday, it was revealed that six of those weapons may be connected to "Operation Fast and Furious".

‘Operation Fast and Furious’ is an ATF program that allowed thousands of guns to cross into Mexico so that federal agents could track them.

Now "Fast and Furious" is under investigation, because officials lost track of more than a third of the guns, many of which were linked to shootings.

Well now isn't this interesting, seems these lawbreakers just couldn't help themselves.


Source
http://www.kasa.com/dpps...twitter >
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Aug. 31 2011,9:45 pm
Vince Cefalu "Democracy Now" interview re: "Fast & Furious

Part 1


Part 2

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2011,8:47 pm
Holder is directly running ATF at this point. He appoints Jones who is his guy. Jones remains surrounded by the same executive inner circle that led to Fast and Furious and the downfall of Sullivan and Melson. Newell and McMahon still have jobs. Holder is ordering his civil division to cover up criminal conduct in the Dobyns case further implicating Newell and Gillett as criminal managers. Emory Hurley, a subordinate of Holder is being insulated from accountability on his malfeasance. Whistleblower reprisals are rampant at DOJ toward anyone who takes a stand against ATF, Fast and Furious or DOJ executives. Holder is using his power to circumvent justice.

The executive levels of DOJ and ATF are dirty and they are protecting their own rather than letting the truth out. The fact that Jones took office and did not immediately remove Hoover and Chait from positions next to him sent a message to ATF employees. Holders problem is that he has too many leaks and way too many weak links to ever contain this. He may be able to slow the process but it will be revealed and it will show that by his stonewalling he knew, did his best to cover it up but got caught anyway.

More evidence of Holder serving as the Puppeteer.

Newell was first re-assigned to assist the US Attorneys Office on gathering F&F information. So was Voth. McMahon is assigned as the #2 in OPSRO with OPSRO being the point of contact at ATF for the OIG investigation. OIG as under the thumb of Justice and Holder.

Everyone saw through this but it has not been forgotten. Holder is masterminding the cover-up. Melson was not bold enough to try and pull that off on his own.

Newell and Voth assigned to the USAO to help cover-up what they had already covered up and the then McMahon sitting like his normal bump on a log ready to hit the "forward" button on his computer to the OIG once the cover-up team produced information.

WE ALL SEE THIS ERIC! WE ARE NOT STUPID, YOU JUST THINK WE ARE.

Also, its coming out that Holder ordered DOJ to withhold documents and evidence in the Dobyns case that proves Dobyns's claims and defeats the governments defense. Dobyns has been arguing in court that ATF investigated him as the arsonist of his home, wrongfully I might add while allowing the real criminal to go unaccounted for. Holder withheld evidence that in fact ATF had made phone calls to Dobyns recording him without his knowledge and had kept a secret investigation file on him that was never made public all while dozens of ATF executives denied that this ever happened. Just wait until this breaks into the open! Again, DOJ is covering up the cover up.

Holder does not serve the interest of justice or this country. Holder only serves his own interest and interest of the President.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2011,9:01 pm
Issa, Grassley make good on promise to expand “Fast & Furious” investigation

Almost immediately after the Justice Department announced a shake-up of the officials who oversaw ATF’s ill-begotten “Operation Fast and Furious,” Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa) signaled they wouldn’t let the reassignment of acting ATF director Kenneth Melson slow down their investigation of the questionable program.

Two days later, < they’ve already made good on that promise. >  Today, they sent a < letter > to Ann Scheel, the acting attorney general in Phoenix, basically putting the Arizona district office on notice and demanding e-mails, memos, notes and other documents from six top officials, including Scheel and ousted former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke.

“The level of involvement of the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Arizona in the genesis and implementation of this case is striking,” the letter states. It continues:

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   Operation Fast and Furious was a prosecutor-led Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Strike Force case. The congressional investigation has revealed that your office, and specifically Assistant United States Attorney (AUSA) Emory Hurley, played an integral role in the day-to-day, tactical management of the case. In fact, Mr. Hurley served as a prosecutor on this case until very recently.

   Witnesses have reported that AUSA Hurley may have stifled ATF agents’ attempts to interdict weapons on numerous occasions. Many ATF agents working on Operation Fast and Furious were under the impression that even some of the most basic law enforcement techniques typically used to interdict weapons required the explicit approval of your office, specifically from AUSA Hurley. It is our understanding that this approval was withheld on numerous occasions. It is unclear why all available tools, such as civil forfeitures and seizure warrants, were not used in this case to prevent illegally purchased guns from being trafficked to Mexican drug cartels and other criminals. We have further been informed that AUSA Hurley improperly instructed ATF agents that they needed to meet unnecessarily strict evidentiary standards merely in order to temporarily detain or speak with suspects.

   It is essential for Congress to fully understand your office’s role in Operation Fast and Furious. … In addition, it is imperative that the Committee have an opportunity to discuss the facts above with individuals in your office who are familiar with the details of this operation. It is not our intention to second guess day-to-day decisions of your staff, but rather to make sense of them. The Attorney General has said that “letting guns walk is not something that is acceptable.  … We cannot have a situation where guns are allowed to walk, and I’ve made that clear to the United States Attorneys as well as the agents in charge of various ATF offices.” Operation Fast and Furious is unique in that guns were allowed to walk with the apparent knowledge of, and authorization by, officials in your office.


Whew! That letter should make it perfectly clear. If AG Eric Holder seriously thought shuffling the players would shush the investigation, he should think again. Issa and Grassley won’t let up until they understand why anyone ever thought it was a good idea to allow straw purchasers to buy illegal weapons, knowing full well that the weapons would end up in the hands of Mexican drug lords and that ATF’s ability to track the weapons would be minimal-to-nonexistent. That AUSA Hurley apparently made it unnecessarily difficult for ATF officials who tried to interdict the weapons to do that job is even more mystifying and rightly investigated at greater length. Go Team Issa-Grassley, go!

source < http://hotair.com/archive...igation >

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 02 2011,9:34 pm
So the Fox hunters will come out.  It sounds like other things are getting close to coming out too.

QUOTE

Also late Thursday, Sen. Charles Grassley's office revealed that 31 more Fast and Furious guns have been found at 12 violent crime scenes in Mexico.

In an internal email the day after Terry's murder, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Emory Hurley and then-U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke decided not to disclose the connection, saying "this way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."

Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Thursday they are expanding their investigation into the scandal. In a strongly worded letter to Anne Scheel, the new U.S. attorney for Arizona, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee requested interviews, emails, memos and even hand-written notes from members of the U.S. attorney's office that played key roles in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) program.

“The level of involvement of the United States Attorney’s Office ... in the genesis and implementation of this case is striking,” wrote Issa and Grassley.

The two claim witnesses have told them that recently reassigned Hurley may have also prevented ATF agents from doing their jobs.

“Many ATF agents working on Operation Fast and Furious were under the impression that even some of the most basic law enforcement techniques typically used to interdict weapons required the explicit approval of your office, specifically that from Hurley,” the letter states.

Issa and Grassley said they want to speak with Hurley and Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Morrissey, along with Patrick Cunningham, chief of the office’s Criminal Division.

Not only do congressional investigators want to "make sense" of details of the operation that allowed more than 2,000 guns to "walk" and later turn up at crime scenes on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border, but they want to known why Hurley -- who knew almost immediately the guns found at Terry's crime scene belonged to Fast and Furious -- tried to "prevent the connection from being disclosed."

Grassley also raised concerns about the latest data on Fast and Furious guns found at crime scenes in Mexico.

“The Justice Department has been less than forthcoming since day one, so the revisions here are hardly surprising, and the numbers will likely rise until the more than 1,000 guns that were allowed to fall into the hands of bad guys are recovered -- most likely years down the road," Grassley said in a statement released Thursday.

"What we’re still waiting for are the answers to the other questions the Attorney General failed to answer per our agreement. The cooperation of the Attorney General and his staff is needed if we’re ever going to get to the bottom of this disastrous policy and help the ATF and the department move forward.”

< see video >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 02 2011,9:46 pm

(MADDOG @ Sep. 02 2011,9:34 pm)
QUOTE
So the Fox hunters will come out.  It sounds like other things are getting close to coming out too.

QUOTE

Also late Thursday, Sen. Charles Grassley's office revealed that 31 more Fast and Furious guns have been found at 12 violent crime scenes in Mexico.

In an internal email the day after Terry's murder, Assistant U.S. Attorneys Emory Hurley and then-U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke decided not to disclose the connection, saying "this way we do not divulge our current case (Fast and Furious) or the Border Patrol shooting case."

Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said Thursday they are expanding their investigation into the scandal. In a strongly worded letter to Anne Scheel, the new U.S. attorney for Arizona, the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee requested interviews, emails, memos and even hand-written notes from members of the U.S. attorney's office that played key roles in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) program.

“The level of involvement of the United States Attorney’s Office ... in the genesis and implementation of this case is striking,” wrote Issa and Grassley.

The two claim witnesses have told them that recently reassigned Hurley may have also prevented ATF agents from doing their jobs.

“Many ATF agents working on Operation Fast and Furious were under the impression that even some of the most basic law enforcement techniques typically used to interdict weapons required the explicit approval of your office, specifically that from Hurley,” the letter states.

Issa and Grassley said they want to speak with Hurley and Assistant U.S. Attorney Michael Morrissey, along with Patrick Cunningham, chief of the office’s Criminal Division.

Not only do congressional investigators want to "make sense" of details of the operation that allowed more than 2,000 guns to "walk" and later turn up at crime scenes on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border, but they want to known why Hurley -- who knew almost immediately the guns found at Terry's crime scene belonged to Fast and Furious -- tried to "prevent the connection from being disclosed."

Grassley also raised concerns about the latest data on Fast and Furious guns found at crime scenes in Mexico.

“The Justice Department has been less than forthcoming since day one, so the revisions here are hardly surprising, and the numbers will likely rise until the more than 1,000 guns that were allowed to fall into the hands of bad guys are recovered -- most likely years down the road," Grassley said in a statement released Thursday.

"What we’re still waiting for are the answers to the other questions the Attorney General failed to answer per our agreement. The cooperation of the Attorney General and his staff is needed if we’re ever going to get to the bottom of this disastrous policy and help the ATF and the department move forward.”

< see video >

You beat me to that one.  I was just reading an excerpt on another blog.

Here is the internal ATF email, the scan on some of them is really crappy.  < ATF emails >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 04 2011,2:45 pm
ATF Death Watch 70: Arm the Mexicans

Two facts have pushed the ATF Gunwalker scandal into the media mainstream. First, email evidence revealing the not-so-surprising fact that the ATF attempted to coverup their role in the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Second, email evidence proving that White House officials knew about Operation Fast and Furious before, during and after Terry’s sudden, bloody end. Not even The New York Times—the “newspaper of record” that’s shunned and buried the Gunwalker scandal—can ignore the fact that the Obama administration is guilty of criminal conspiracy in the murder of a federal law enforcement officer. Or can they?

QUOTE
But the e-mails do not contain any discussion of the tactics of the investigation — called Operation Fast and Furious — that have made it the subject of a heated Congressional inquiry. The authorities monitored suspected “straw buyers” in an effort to identify who they were working with, rather than moving quickly to arrest them and take their guns off the street.


The Times knows well enough that the facts don’t support the ATF’s contention that Operation Fast and Furious was a “botched sting” (i.e. a well-meaning if poorly run and incomplete effort). There’s just no getting around the fact that the ATF let straw purchasers buy guns at American gun stores, walk out and disappear.

In one of the rare cases where the ATF followed the illegal buyers out of the store, agents called their boss and asked permission to arrest the smuggler and/or his hand-off. They were told to hang fire. Stand down. Leave. Fuhgeddaboutit.

Let’s be clear: no one involved in Operation Fast and Furious arrested anyone during the ten months that Uncle Sam turned a blind eye to gun smugglers smuggling some two thousand guns across the border. Not at the ATF nor any of the other federal agencies whose involvement has already been documented (DEA, ICE, DOJ, DHS, IRS).

How could they? Despite recent revelations (by the New York Times no less) that the Obama administration’s sending “more” CIA operatives into Mexico and lets federales stage anti-cartel (Los Zetas) helicopter raids from U.S. territory, Uncle Sam has no jurisdiction in Mexico. Even if the ATF could have traced an American AR-15 straight to Heriberto Lazcano Lazcano, there’s not a damn thing they could have done about it.

And? Again, that wasn’t the point.

Whether you accept TTAG’s intel that the CIA orchestrated this black bag job to arm the Sinaloa cartel against Los Zetas (who are fighting the Mexican government for control of the country), or believe gun rights advocates’ assertion that Fast and Furious was designed to gin-up public support for draconian gun control enforcement and new legislation (by inflating the American contribution to the drug cartel arsenals), it’s clear that Operation Fast and Furious did exactly what it was supposed to do.

F&F was a success. ATF bureaucrats were literally high-fiving each other when “crime scene” reports on the intra-cartel carnage IDed Fast and Furious firearms south of the broder. As they were re: Operation Castaway, the media-neglected ATF op that enabled American guns to Honduras. In both cases, “our” bad guys were using American guns to kill the “real” bad guys.

It was all going swimmingly until Agent Terry took one for the team. Or not. Truth be told, America’s multi-pronged effort to support the Mexican government and its allies (e.g. the Sinaloa cartel) against Los Zetas is an unmitigated disaster. The more “we” win the more we’re losing.

The struggle between these two vicious groups is fueled by billions of dollars (per month) moving from U.S. drug users to Mexican cartels, and from Yankee taxpayers to the Mexican military and police. As long as this money river keeps flowing, any strike against any cartel jefe only leads to more chaos and bloodshed, as the survivors fight for power.< borderlandbeat.com: >
QUOTE
As more major Mexican Drug Trafficking Organizations (DTO’s) get hit by the federal government in places like Michoacan, Tamaulipas and Nuevo Leon, we also start to see many of these cartels take each other out, in many cases it creates a power vacuum, where these cartels splinter and spread out becoming very unstable and unpredictable.  When some of the top bosses get killed or are forced to hide relying on some of the plaza bosses to run the organization, some of the cells go unchecked and produce some the brutality that shocks the conscious.

Durango is a state where authorities have found hundreds of clandestine graves in recent months, but the news do not resonate as they do in other places.

The undisputed territories become battle grounds for cartels trying to gain control of trafficking routes to the US. This has been the case in the Golden Triangle, specifically Durango and Torreon and in some aspects Chihuahua that is so hard to predict and identify who is who.  One example is the recent challenge by Los Zetas who have dared to attempt to take control of the region from El Cartel de Sinaloa/Pacifico.


Operation Fast and Furious should be seen in the context. Not because the intra- and anti-cartel violence excuses ANY of the agencies involved. Because the human toll of our deeply misguided intervention in Mexico is measured by more than one dead Border Patrol Agent. It’s also aided and abetted the torture, murder and oppression of tens of millions of Mexicans.

The Obama Administration believes it can use its military muscle and covert ops like F&F to help the Mexican government defeat Los Zetas, and thus transform the illegal drug trade into a relatively peaceful endeavor. Wrong. There’s too much money, too much corruption and too few armed civilians to stop the endless, fratricidal bloodshed.

What could we have done—other than arm the Sinaloas? What can we do to prevent a Zetas-backed military dictatorship that will send millions of Mexican refugees across our border?

First, come clean. Expose Fast and Furious. Pursue the paper trail to the White House; make the officials responsible for their actions in the ATF’s illegal operations. Expose the agencies that enabled the enablers. At the same time, follow the blood trail. Congressman Issa should call the gun smugglers and their victims to testify, to make the ATF’s perfidy “real” to the taxpayers who funded it.

Second,  bring our Mexican policy out of the shadows. We the People deserve to know what’s being done in our name, so that We can decide how we should deal with our southern neighbors, and reexamine own failed “War on Drugs.”

We should also disband the ATF. The Bureau has proven, once again, that they are a law unto themselves, suplus to requirements and a danger to freedom-loving people everywhere.

And lastly, we should arm the Mexican people against both the cartels AND their own government. That’s what we should have done in the first place; it’s our only hope for a stable Mexico.

The day that the New York Times supports Mexicans’ constitutional right to keep and bear arms is the day that America once against stands for freedom and democracy in the fact of evil and tyranny.

source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...e-62533 >

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 04 2011,9:01 pm
:clap:  < CBS acts like this is new. >  Read some of the comments, its amazing how mainstream can keep so many people in the dark.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 04 2011,9:27 pm

(MADDOG @ Sep. 04 2011,9:01 pm)
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:clap:  < CBS acts like this is new. >  Read some of the comments, its amazing how mainstream can keep so many people in the dark.

I wouldn't say as to keep them in the dark, more or less of them refusing to run a scandal as big as this one, until a scandal gets to big to ignore and seeing other news outlets running the scandal.

But you are right in what you have read in the comments of the news article, some quite humorous reactions to it.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 05 2011,5:30 pm
Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.  Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.

From the confidential source providing the documents:

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   The dealer…was sent a "demand letter," based on the number of traces to him, which was retracted after his attorney pointed out they resulted from his cooperation with ATF. (Strangely, he got two voicemails from two different ATF people, both saying they were the head of the tracing operation).

   Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).


If the guns did not make it to criminal end users, why the demand for the reporting requirement was made remains unexplained: A demand letter, dated February 14, 2011 and signed by Charles J. Houser, Chief, National Tracing Center Division, informed the dealer he was required to provide acquisition and disposition information on firearms obtained from non-licensees, as well as to provide quarterly reports, based on ATF’s assessment that the dealer “had an unusually high number of traces of new crime guns with a relatively short ‘time-to-crime’…”

In a response dated March 10, 2011, attorney Brent R. Weil of Kightlinger and Gray, LLP, informed Houser:

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Specifically, my client participated with and cooperated in certain law enforcement operations  during 2009/2010 at the behest of ATFE enforcement officers from the Evansville, Indiana office (Agent Kevin Whittaker) and in the course of doing so, followed their instructions regarding the completion of certain transactions and the delivery of firearms to purchasers who did not clear the standard NICS [National Instant Check System] background check and were suspected of being involved in the purchase and transportation of handguns out of state despite passing NICS’s background checks.


In order to verify ATF claims, Weil requested they “be given a list of the ‘ten or more crime guns with a “time-to-crime: of three years or less’ so that we can  satisfy ourselves that we are not being improperly included in this program because of our cooperation with and/or involvement with ATFE enforcement activities.”

The response letter resulted in a voice mail from Houser to Weil on March 15, 2011, ignoring his request for the list of guns, but promising:

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If…that count is composed of firearms that were, where your client was working in conjunction with ATF, we will get your client removed entirely from the program.”


That same day, another voice mail was received, this time from Brenda Bennett, also identifying herself as “Chief of the National Tracing Center,” who informed Weil:

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I have verified the information in the letter. I talked to law enforcement and they confirmed what he had to say. Therefore, he is being removed from the demand list.

See the sidebar slideshow accompanying this article for screen captures of all documents referred to in this column.  At the very least, as with “Project Gunwalker,” they indicate straw purchased guns ended up in crime traces, something those directing surveillance were well aware of.  It also indicates the FBI and ATF were once again involved with allowing transactions rejected by NICS to proceed, indicating this practice could be more widespread than has been previously documented, and not confined to Southwest border operations.

It’s fair to ask at this point what Robert J. Browning knows about this. He’s the Special Agent In Charge (SAC) of the Columbus Field Division, which directs Indiana and Ohio field offices.  Also worth questioning: Joseph H. Hogsett, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana, specifically about what he has directed and approved that has any bearing on “crime guns” making their way to the street following law enforcement firearm transfer approvals to straw purchasers within his jurisdicition.

It’s also fair to ask if it seems credible that such similar operations would develop independently in the Southwest (“Project Gunwalker”) and the Midwest (“Project Gangwalker’?), without authorization from and oversight coordination by Main Justice.

Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars has advocated opening “a second front” to complement House Oversight Committee investigations, and this column has been a consistent advocate for appointment of a truly independent special investigator, as well as for individual state attorneys general determining if multiple felony violations of their state laws, committed jointly by two or more persons, have been perpetrated.  What seems clear is none of this will happen unless gun owners create such an uproar that their demands cannot be ignored—by timid political wind riders who don’t wish to get involved, by an arrogant, stonewalling administration, and by their protectors/abettors in the mainstream press.

source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...n-sales >
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Well now, seems the DOJ directing the ATF to break laws in Indiana, just seems they cannot help themselves, like crack addicts needing a fix.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 05 2011,6:15 pm
UPDATE: Vanderboegh adds some important considerations, to the story above.

Codrea Exclusive: "Project Gangwalker?" More gunwalking -- in INDIANA! FBI manipulated NICS system in favor of felons, AGAIN! What did Traver know?

Fact is, if the the ATF was worried about "crime gun traces," they WERE in fact actually delivered to the gangs.

Fact is, the principal market for straw-purchased weapons in Indiana is Chicago.
Fact is, Andrew Traver, Obama buddy and still declared heir-apparent to the ATF mini-throne would have known about any such gunwalking operation involving his area of operations. He would have had to have been briefed.

Fact is, David just broke an incredibly important story.

Fact is, once again, the new media beats the old media.

But this also highlights an email I received this morning from a retired military officer in the Northern Virginia reacting to my < "Meetings, Part 5." >

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Mike -- another good "roadmap" for the congressional guys...

Let's hope they're already on the trails you're pointed out...

BTW -- The info my friend (REDACTED) sent on how convicted felons being allowed to buy guns (thx to FBI giving an "okay" on the data base search) is itself a felony -- this is a point, IMHO, worth hammering away at in damn near every piece. As (Redacted) pointed out, only two ways for a convicted felon to buy a gun: (1) Presidential pardon (Mark Rich can buy); and (2) get conviction overturned.

Everyone involved in approving sale to convicted felons has in fact committed a felony... we need an Independent Prosecutor...

Your call for < call for expanding congressional actions > to include Judiciary and Foreign Affairs is POINT ON!!!

Amazing work, my friend... "keep up the fire."


We intend to. But we need your help. As David concludes:

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It’s also fair to ask if it seems credible that such similar operations would develop independently in the Southwest (“Project Gunwalker”) and the Midwest (“Project Gangwalker’?), without authorization from and oversight coordination by Main Justice.

Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars has advocated opening “a second front” to complement House Oversight Committee investigations, and this column has been a consistent advocate for appointment of a truly independent special investigator, as well as for individual state attorneys general determining if multiple felony violations of their state laws, committed jointly by two or more persons, have been perpetrated. What seems clear is none of this will happen unless gun owners create such an uproar that their demands cannot be ignored—by timid political wind riders who don’t wish to get involved, by an arrogant, stonewalling administration, and by their protectors/abettors in the mainstream press.


So, my friends, you must create that uproar.

People who sit back and cluck their tongues about "isn't it terrible that the ATF let those guns kill poor Mexicans" will come out of their chairs when they find out that they -- they personally -- have skin in this game: that the ATF and FBI are facilitating the purchase by felons of weapons to arm the street gangs in their town.

So get that message out, folks. Send a link to David's article and the emails which accompany it far and wide -- To your Congresscritters, to the press in your town, to friends and relatives, and plaster it all over the Internet.

We don't have the government we deserve, but rather the government we tolerate. And if enough folks decide this is intolerable, we'll get to the whole truth of the Gunwalker Plot.

source < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2011...er.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 05 2011,6:42 pm
At Least Three White House Officials Knew About Operation Fast and Furious

In July, we learned that despite denying any involvement in Operation Fast and Furious, a least one member of the White House national security team was in contact with ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell and knew about the operation.

Former ATF Special Agent in Charge William Newell would not condemn Operation Fast and Furious and allowing guns to walk into Mexico during testimony and questioning. In fact, Newell went so far as to say he was unaware of guns walking into Mexico, despite internal emails showing he did know. Newell admitted the agency made mistakes but would not admit the program was a bad idea and exposed that he was in communication with a member of the White House national security team.

Now, emails show not just one, but three White House advisers knew about Operation Fast and Furious:

Newly obtained emails show that the White House was better informed about a failed gun-tracking operation on the border with Mexico than was previously known.

Three White House national security officials were given some details about the operation, dubbed Fast and Furious. The operation allowed firearms to be illegally purchased, with the goal of tracking them to Mexican drug cartels. But the effort went out of control after agents lost track of many of the weapons.

The supervisor of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation in Phoenix specifically mentioned Fast and Furious in at least one email to a White House national security official, and two other White House colleagues were briefed on reports from the supervisor, according to White House emails and a senior administration official.


He identified the three White House officials who were briefed as Kevin M. O'Reilly, director of North American Affairs for the White House national security staff; Dan Restrepo, the president's senior Latin American adviser; and Greg Gatjanis, a White House national security official.

And the White House, right on cue, is still denying knowing "detailed" information:
But the senior administration official said the emails, obtained Thursday by The Times, did not prove that anyone in the White House was aware of the covert "investigative tactics" of the operation.

"The emails validate what has been said previously, which is no one at the White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk," said the official, who was not authorized to speak about it publicly. "To the extent that some [national security staff members] were briefed on the top lines of ongoing federal efforts, so were members of Congress."


source < http://townhall.com/tipshee...furious >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 06 2011,9:18 pm
Botched U.S. Gun Smuggling Operation Let Grenades, IEDs 'Walk' Into Mexico

Amid brewing controversy over the ATF's botched Fast and Furious gunrunning operation comes new allegations that the Department of Justice also let off an Arizona man suspected of supplying grenades to Mexico's drug cartels.

The WSJ reports today that federal authorities are now investigating why the U.S. Attorney's office in Phoenix — the same office that oversaw Fast and Furious — released Jean Baptiste Kingery after he confessed to providing military-style weapons to the now-defunct La Familia Michoacana drug cartel.

Kingery, who was arrested and released in June 2010, confessed to manufacturing improvised explosive devices (IEDs) using grenade components from the U.S. He also admitted to helping the cartel convert semi-automatic rifles into machine guns. Mexican criminal organizations are increasingly using these military-style weapons as the cartels' escalate their wars against the government and one another.

Despite Kingery's confession, and over loud protestations from the arresting ATF officers, the U.S. Attorney's office let Kingery go within hours of his arrest.

Kingery's release is now the subject of an internal probe by the DOJ inspector general. The findings in the DOJ probe were a major catalyst in the recent staff shakeup that ousted Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennie Burke and Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson from their posts.

The Phoenix U.S. Attorney's office denies that it declined to prosecute the case, saying that it wanted to continue surveillance. The office alternatively told investigators that ATF agents wanted to make Kingery an informant, but lost contact with him within weeks of his release.

Prosecutors involved in the case also accuse ATF agents of devising a failed sting that allowed Kingery to take hundreds of grenade parts across the border in the months about six months prior to his arrest.

The Congressional Oversight Committee has also expanded its Fast and Furious investigation to include the Kingery case. The Committee is investigating who in the Obama administration knew about the gunrunning program, under which ATF agents allowed more than 2,000 guns to "walk" across the border.

The Fast and the Furious case has escalated over the past weeks, with news that at least three White House national security officials knew about the gunrunning program.

Emails obtained by the Committee last week show contact between the head of the Phoenix ATF and Kevin O'Reilly, then-director of North American affairs, about the operation. The White House confirmed that O'Reilly briefed Dan Restrepo, senior director for the Western Hemisphere, and Greg Gatjanis, director of counterterrorism and narcotics.

source < http://www.businessinsider.com/disastr...-2011-9 >

Well now, did project gunwalker have an ugly sister project grenadewalker?  How inept and criminal is the DOJ?  Seems some heads need to roll on this.  I suggest the death penalty.  Holder can go first.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 06 2011,9:27 pm
ATF Death Watch 73: Phoenix U.S. Attorney’s Office Implodes Over Gunwalker

“Federal prosecutors from Los Angeles and San Diego will take over cases arising from a flawed law enforcement operation in Arizona that is being investigated by Congress and the inspector general’s office at the Justice Department,” the Associated Press reports. “The change comes at the request of the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Phoenix, which was deeply involved with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in carrying out Operation Fast and Furious, the program aimed at taking down major arms traffickers.” Or not. “Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., said the decision to switch prosecutors is clearly in the best interest of achieving just results and removes the apparent conflict of interest that Arizona prosecutors had in bringing cases from a mishandled operation.”

This action signals a complete (or near as makes no difference) loss of confidence by the White House in the credibility of the Arizona U.S. Attorney’s office.  Remember way back in June, when former BATFE supervisor Peter Forcelli testified before Congress that he couldn’t beg, bribe or blackmail Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke into arresting the actual straw purchasers that were hauling hundreds of guns to Mexico?

Burke’s complacency–or complicity–in the straw purchases would have been (and probably still is) a major issue for the defense attorneys in these criminal cases to parade before the jury. When playing ‘follow the guns’ (the drug cartel version of Watergate’s ‘follow the money’) for the benefit of the Twelve Angry Men And Women of the jury, the defense attorneys would have made hay while the sun shined and done their best to summon members of the prosecution team as fact witnesses on the question of how these guns ended up where they did.

The defense attorneys may still try and subpoena the former members of the Phoenix U.S. Attorney’s Office, but at least (from the prosecution’s side of the field) they’ll be former, and not current, members of the prosecution team.   If and when former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke and his minion Emory Hurley take the Fifth and refuse to testify,  the new prosecutors might be inclined to throw them under the bus.  This, at least, removes the ‘apparent conflict of interest’ that Rep. Issa is referring to: the inability of Burke, Hurley et al to diligently investigate the Gunwalker scandal because they were up to their eyeballs in it.

Many of the defendants still will argue that they were entrapped into breaking the law by scheming Federal agents with Ulterior Motives and Hidden Agendas.  If those agents’ testimony, and those of the disgraced former U.S. Attorneys, lead the jurors to suspect that Uncle Sam was intentionally using the defendants as pawns to arm a ruthless Mexican drug gang, acquittals may result.

By outsourcing the prosecution of these cases, the White House is trying to bring some fresh and untainted talent into the game.  Will the newly assigned prosecutors really take up the challenge and investigate all the violations of U.S. law that occurred around Project Fast & Furious?  Will they follow through with their investigation, wherever the leads and evidence take them?

We can only hope so, dim though that hope may be.  

Fiat justitia ruat caelum.  Let the heavens fall: agent Terry’s memory demands it.

Source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...nwalker >

As a side note: When Arizona U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke was called to testify before Issa and company, he physically got sick and lost his cookies like a scared lil sissy nurse maid during questioning, then promptly resigns, because he couldn't hack it and keep the lies straight any more.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 08 2011,10:49 pm
A White House 'Gunrunner'?

The Law: Operation Gunwalker, the rogue ATF operation to arm Mexico's cartels, extends now to three White House officials. A bell goes off with the one named Dan Restrepo.

Late last Friday, CBS News and the Los Angeles Times almost buried the news that Restrepo, the National Security Council's top man for Latin America, and two other officials, were in on ATF memos from the Gunwalker operation called "Fast and Furious."

That blows apart White House claims that it had no idea the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives was encouraging frontmen for Mexico's cartels to buy weapons from U.S. gun dealers — to "trace" them afterward.

Some 2,000 U.S. guns were sold in Gunwalker but simply disappeared — until they turned up at massacres in Mexico and at the murder scenes of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry and Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agent Jaime Zapata.

But outgoing ATF acting director Ken Melson and others who've been the fall guys in this scandal darkly hint that their orders came from the White House, and domestic critics think Gunwalker can only be explained as a White House bid to boost support for gun control. Restrepo's involvement distinctly raises both possibilities.

Restrepo is a political operative whose interests are more domestic than Latin American. As a result, he's botched every Latin American operation he's had his hand in, appeasing enemies and blaming the U.S.:

• Honduras: In 2009, Restrepo was behind a U.S. bid to swiftly declare Honduras' constitutional ouster of its president "a coup" and sanctioned the country, playing into the hands of Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, who had attempted to make Honduras a colony.

• Cuba: Restrepo was behind loosening sanctions on Castro's Cuba, which has emboldened the regime to act against Americans. While Castro imprisoned Alan Gross, a U.S. contractor who was distributing satellite phones to dissidents, the Obama administration said nothing.

• Colombia: Its troops captured drug "kingpin of kingpins" Walid Makled, who had extensive knowledge of Venezuelan official involvement in trafficking. U.S. attorneys wanted him extradited, but Colombia's President Juan Manuel Santos said President Obama never asked. When IBD asked Restrepo whether he advised Obama to ask, Restrepo defensively said he did. But that's at odds with what Santos said.

• Venezuela: Treasury Department officials complained Restrepo kept names of high-ranking Venezuelan officials with ties to drug dealers off its "Kingpin List," in a naive effort to keep pressure off Chavez.

• Now Restrepo tries to pin Mexico's drug war not on Hugo Chavez's trafficker allies, but on gun dealers from the U.S.

There's little doubt that's his line, because blaming U.S. gun dealers and calling for a U.S. assault weapon ban were his ideas from his days spent at the Center for American Progress, an Obama-linked think tank.

The U.S. "will work to inhibit the flow of weapons ... across our border," Restrepo told Mexican media.

Meanwhile, when Obama met with Mexico's President Felipe Calderon, both erroneously declared that U.S. weapons fueled Mexico's drug war — on Restrepo's advice.

Blogger Mike Vanderbroegh thinks that if Restrepo wasn't the author of Gunwalker he'd know who is and should be called to tell Congress. Either he's kept Obama in the dark about Gunwalker, or Obama should be impeached.

source < http://www.investors.com/NewsAnd...er-.htm >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 08 2011,10:59 pm
Holder Denies Prior Knowledge of 'Fast and Furious'

The head of the U.S. Justice Department launched his strongest personal defense yet in the growing furor over Operation Fast and Furious, the controversial sting targeting Mexican drug cartels and American gunrunners.

On Wednesday, Attorney General Eric Holder said for the first time that not only he but also other higher-ups at the Justice Department were not aware of the operation as it was being carried out. Holder also suggested politics could be a driving force behind Republican lawmakers' forceful inquiries into the matter.
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"The notion that somehow or other this thing reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that. ... I don't think is supported by the facts," Holder told reporters at an unrelated press conference in Washington. "It's kind of something I think certain members of Congress would like to see, the notion that somehow or other high-level people in the department were involved. As I said, I don't think that is going to be shown to be the case -- which doesn't mean that the mistakes were not serious."


A spokeswoman for the Republican leading a congressional investigation described Holder's comments as baseless "whining," and earlier Wednesday the House Republican himself said the issue is about more than who knew what, when.

"Whenever you talk about human mistakes, you have to say, 'What was in the system that allowed that human mistake to go on and perpetuate itself?'" Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said on Fox News Channel.

At issue is an Arizona operation launched in late 2009 by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which planned to follow gun purchasers in hopes that suspects would lead investigators to the heads of Mexican cartels. But hundreds of high-powered rifles and other guns ended up in Mexico, and many now accuse ATF and the Justice Department of letting the guns "walk" even after safety concerns were raised.

Weapons linked to the program were used in a December attack along the Southwest Border that killed U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Months later, Issa launched his committee's investigation, as the Justice Department's inspector general also opened an inquiry, at Holder's direction.

"Our committee is the Government [Oversight and] Reform Committee," Issa said Wednesday. "We are about making sure that there is a system to prevent this in the future. When we have assurances that system is in place then our job is done."

But Holder seemed to question whether that is all Issa and other Republican critics are after.

"My hope would be that Congress will conduct an investigation that is factually based and not marred with politics," Holder said.

Holder has said repeatedly he was not aware of the operation as it was unfolding, and others have said no one at the Justice Department in Washington was informed of it, but Issa insists Holder at least "should have known."

"I believe it was his obligation to know, " Issa told Fox News in June. "The fact that there was a 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy in Eric Holder's office is to say really he wasn't doing his job."

Holder, however, noted he leads a massive department with all sorts of functions and obligations

"There are an awful lot of things that go on in the Justice Department," he said. "There's Operation Fast and Furious, [and] I'm sure there's Operation 'Fill In The Blank' going on right now that the people here in the department are not aware of."

Holder said he, as head of the department, has tried to "place in the field the responsibility and the discretion for enforcement activities," while setting "broad parameters here in the department" that he expects to be followed outside of Washington.

Holder has repeatedly denounced the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious, calling the operation Wednesday a "flawed enforcement effort."

Recently, the man who headed ATF in the midst of it, Ken Melson, was reassigned, and U.S. attorney Dennis Burke, who oversaw the prosecution of cases coming out of the operation, abruptly resigned.

Nevertheless, at least three men have been charged in connection with the murder of agent Terry, though only one is in U.S. custody. And the Justice Department recently informed lawmakers that cases coming out of Operation Fast and Furious will now be led by prosecutors from outside Arizona.

source < http://www.foxnews.com/politic...NEpYRJL >

Oh but wait there is this stellar comment from idiota holder during a meeting in Mexico on April 29, 2009

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"Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner, DEA is adding 16 new positions on the border, as well as mobile enforcement teams, and the FBI is creating a new intelligence group focusing on kidnapping and extortion. DHS is making similar commitments, as Secretary Napolitano will detail."

It seems to be a clever amount of wordsmithing by Holder. He was unaware of the program "as it was being carried out". It is the only way he can save his job is by denial of what was going on. He certainly can not say he did not know about the program after his speech

holder is hereby awarded the BS card

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 09 2011,8:27 pm
Third Gun Linked to 'Fast and Furious' Identified at Border Agent's Murder Scene

A third gun linked to "Operation Fast and Furious" was found at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, new documents obtained exclusively by Fox News suggest, contradicting earlier assertions by federal agencies that police found only two weapons tied to the federal government's now infamous gun interdiction scandal.

Sources say emails support their contention that the FBI concealed evidence to protect a confidential informant. Sources close to the Terry case say the FBI informant works inside a major Mexican cartel and provided the money to obtain the weapons used to kill Terry.

Unlike the two AK-style assault weapons found at the scene, the third weapon could more easily be linked to the informant. To prevent that from happening, sources say, the third gun "disappeared."

In addition to the emails obtained by Fox News, an audio recording from a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent investigating the Terry case seems to confirm the existence of a third weapon. In that conversation, the agent refers to an "SKS assault rifle out of Texas" found at the Terry murder scene south of Tucson.

The FBI refused to answer a detailed set of questions submitted to officials by Fox News. Instead, agency spokesman Paul Bresson said, "The Brian Terry investigation is still ongoing so I cannot comment." Bresson referred Fox News to court records that only identify the two possible murder weapons.

However, in the hours after Terry was killed on Dec. 14, 2010, several emails written to top ATF officials suggest otherwise.

In one, an intelligence analyst writes that by 7:45 p.m. -- about 21 hours after the shooting -- she had successfully traced two weapons at the scene, and is now "researching the trace status of firearms recovered earlier today by the FBI."

In another email, deputy ATF-Phoenix director George Gillett asks: "Are those two (AK-47s) in addition to the gun already recovered this morning?"

The two AK-type assault rifles were purchased by Jaime Avila from the Lone Wolf Trading Co. outside of Phoenix on Jan. 16, 2010. Avila was recruited by his roommate Uriel Patino. Patino, according to sources, received $70,000 in "seed money" from the FBI informant late in 2009 to buy guns for the cartel.

According to a memo from Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley, who oversaw the operation, Avila began purchasing firearms in November 2009, shortly after Patino, who ultimately purchased more than 600 guns and became the largest buyer of guns in Operation Fast and Furious.

Months ago, congressional investigators developed information that both the FBI and DEA not only knew about the failed gun operation, but that they may be complicit in it. House Government Reform and Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, fired off letters in July requesting specific details from FBI director Robert Mueller and Drug Enforcement Administration chief Michele Leonhart.

"In recent weeks, we have learned of the possible involvement of paid FBI informants in Operation Fast and Furious," Issa and Grassley wrote to Mueller. "Specifically, at least one individual who is allegedly an FBI informant might have been in communication with, and was perhaps even conspiring with, at least one suspect whom ATF was monitoring."

Sources say the FBI is using the informants in a national security investigation. The men were allegedly debriefed by the FBI at a safe house in New Mexico last year.

Sources say the informants previously worked for the DEA and U.S. Marshall's Office but their contracts were terminated because the men were "stone-cold killers." The FBI however stopped their scheduled deportation because their high ranks within the cartel were useful.

In their July letter, Issa and Grassley asked Mueller if any of those informants were ever deported by the DEA or any other law enforcement entity and how they were repatriated.

Asked about the content of the emails, a former federal prosecutor who viewed them expressed shock.

"I have never seen anything like this. I can see the FBI may have an informant involved but I can't see them tampering with evidence. If this is all accurate, I'm stunned," the former prosecutor said.

“This information confirms what our sources were saying all along -- that the FBI was covering up the true circumstances of the murder of Brian Terry," added Mike Vanderboegh, an authority on the Fast and Furious investigation who runs a whistleblower website called Sipsey Street.

"It also confirms that the FBI was at least as culpable, and perhaps more culpable, than the ATF in the (Fast and Furious) scandal, and that there was some guiding hand above both these agencies (and the other agencies involved) coordinating the larger operation," Vanderboegh said.

Asked about the new evidence, Terry family attorney Pat McGroder said, "The family wants answers. They'd like to put this to rest and put closure to exactly what happened to Brian."

Source  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/09/exclusive-third-gun-linked-to-fast-and-furious-identified-at-border-agents/

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 09 2011,8:31 pm
ATF investigation expands to White House staffers

Today, the Congressional investigation into ATF's Fast and Furious scandal officially expanded to include White House staffers. In a < letter > to President Obama's National Security Advisor Thomas Donilon, Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) asked for records involving three current and former White House staffers.

The staffers are: Kevin O'Reilly, former Director of North American Affairs, National Security Council; Dan Restrepo, Special Assistant to the President, National Security Council; and Greg Gatjanis, Director for Terrorist Finance and Counternarcotics, Counterterrorism Policy, National Security Council.

The information requests were made after revelations that ATF's Special Agent in Charge of Phoenix during Fast and Furious, William Newell, "provided regular updates to Kevin O'Reilly" at the White House..."as early as the summer of 2010." The emails indicate O'Reilly asked to share information about Fast and Furious with Restrepo and Gatjanis.

In addition to the new documents request, the Congressional Republicans also requested to interview O'Reilly by the end of this month.

President Obama has said that neither he nor Justice Department head Eric Holder knew about or approved of the operation. In a statement this afternoon, an administration official told CBS News: "As has already been reported, the emails referenced in this letter affirm that no one at the White House knew about the investigative tactics being used in the operation, let alone any decision to let guns walk. To the extent that some NSS staffers were briefed on the toplines of ongoing federal efforts, so were members of Congress. The Washington Post reported that House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa received a Fast and Furious briefing in April of 2010. These types of top-line briefings would not include a discussion of the investigative tactics like gun-walking. These e-mail exchanges show nothing more than an effort to give local color to a policy initiative that was designed to give more resources to help with the border problem. They don't even contain the name "Fast and Furious" until February 2011, after the indictment was unsealed."

source < http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20104044-10391695.html >

I still call BS on those two idiots saying they knew nothing about this.  They are either covering their asses or they are the most incompetent morons and lost control of their agencies.

Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 10 2011,6:51 am
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They are either covering their asses or they are the most incompetent morons and lost control of their agencies.


More than likely its both GD.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 12 2011,9:57 am
Gunwalker Explodes: FBI Hid Weapon, Tax Dollars Subsidized Murder

Fox News investigative reporter William Lajeunesse dropped a pair of bombshells in one article Friday afternoon, revealing: the presence of a third “walked” gun at the scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder, an FBI cover-up of the gun, and the news that your tax dollars funded cartel weapons purchases:
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   Unlike the two AK-style assault weapons found at the scene, the third weapon could more easily be linked to the informant. To prevent that from happening, sources say, the third gun “disappeared.”

   In addition to the emails obtained by Fox News, an audio recording from a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent investigating the Terry case seems to confirm the existence of a third weapon. In that conversation, the agent refers to an “SKS assault rifle out of Texas” found at the Terry murder scene south of Tucson. …

   The two AK-type assault rifles were purchased by Jaime Avila from the Lone Wolf Trading Co. outside of Phoenix on Jan. 16, 2010. Avila was recruited by his roommate Uriel Patino. Patino, according to sources, received $70,000 in “seed money” from the FBI informant late in 2009 to buy guns for the cartel.


Every American, regardless of political ideology, should be livid that the FBI gave at least $70,000 of “seed money” to murderous felons so that they could buy firearms. The FBI knew these weapons were destined for narco-terrorists, and that they would be used to target not just other murderous cartels but to terrorize innocents.

The third weapon recovered at the scene of Agent Terry’s murder that the FBI made “disappear” is an SKS carbine. Not an assault weapon by any practical definition, authorities claim that the official existence of the Texas-purchased rifle at the crime scene could have exposed an FBI informant.

Another plausible motive for hiding the weapon is that it would be traced to a different ATF operational sector, as an early indication that gunwalking was not limited to Operation Fast and Furious in the Phoenix Field Operations area. We now know as a matter of fact that all three federal agents shot with walked firearms had weapons walked from Texas recovered at their crime scenes. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Agents Jaime Zapata and Victor Avila were ambushed in Mexico by members of the Zetas cartel, including at least one armed with a weapon from Lancaster, Texas, the Dallas Field Operations area.

The SKS “disappeared” by the FBI from the scene of Agent Terry’s murder most likely came from Dallas, but could have come from what appears to be a second Texas-based gunwalking operation, suggested by considerable circumstantial evidence to be centered in the Houston Field Operations area.

The fact that every U.S. agent gunned down in the line of duty was fired upon with weapons recovered from apparent gunwalking operations in the Dallas and/or Houston Field Operations areas — not to mention the revelation of an  domestic gunwalking operation in Indiana dubbed  “Gangwalker,” and now “Grenadewalker” — suggests a widespread program to arm violent felons.

If this supposition is correct — and new evidence emerging every few days suggests that is the case — then we are plagued by an executive branch gone mad, and there is every reason to believe that such madness either originated from the White House or was done with the full knowledge of the White House, as Mike Vanderboegh suggests:
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   “This information confirms what our sources were saying all along — that the FBI was covering up the true circumstances of the murder of Brian Terry,” added Mike Vanderboegh, an authority on the Fast and Furious investigation who runs a whistleblower website called Sipsey Street.

   “It also confirms that the FBI was at least as culpable, and perhaps more culpable, than the ATF in the (Fast and Furious) scandal, and that there was some guiding hand above both these agencies (and the other agencies involved) coordinating the larger operation,” Vanderboegh said.


Robert Mueller of the FBI and Ken Melson of the ATF obviously knew of these gunwalking operations. Michele Leonhart of the DEA likely knew. Eric Holder had to know.

Janet Napolitano, whose former Chief of Staff Dennis Burke ran Operation Fast and Furious and who was the governor of Arizona and its attorney general before then, had to know.

Rep. Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley smell corruption, and have expanded the Gunwalker investigation to request the records of Greg Gatjanis, Kevin O’Reilly, and Dan Restrepo, all from the president’s National Security Council.

Three White House officials know something about the operation, and yet we are expected to believe Eric Holder and Barack Obama when they deny knowledge of it?

source < http://pajamasmedia.com/blog...ge=true >

Posted by hymiebravo on Sep. 12 2011,6:26 pm
It's nice to be able to get all your Project Gunwalker news in one spot.
Posted by MADDOG on Sep. 12 2011,9:39 pm
More stonewalling by the DOJ.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 13 2011,6:47 am
‘Fast and Furious’ scandal has Obama administration in full cover-up mode

The more we learn about the “Fast and Furious” scandal — in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATFE) illegally facilitated the transfer of thousands of guns to violent drug cartels in Mexico — the more apparent it is that we are witnessing a large-scale cover-up of epic proportions.

In fact, it’s getting difficult to keep up with all of the shuffling of key agency personnel who were involved in the deadly scandal. Here is a brief run-down of what transpired over the past two weeks:

* BATFE director Kenneth Melson was reassigned by Attorney General Eric Holder’s Justice Department to a new senior advisor role at the agency’s headquarters in Washington.

* Dennis Burke, the U.S. attorney for the District of Arizona, resigned from his post.

* Thanks to the tenacious investigations being led by House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Senate Judiciary Committee ranking member Chuck Grassley (R-IA), it is now apparent that the lead prosecutor in the U.S. attorney’s office in Arizona, Emory Hurley, initially sought to cover up the fact that at least two illegal “Fast and Furious” guns were found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. The Justice Department recently transferred Hurley out of its criminal division to its civil division.

* We now know that White House officials knew more about the deadly “Fast and Furious” operation than they previously disclosed. Three White House officials — Kevin O’Reilly, Dan Restrepo and Greg Gatjanis — all received back-channel communications about “Fast and Furious” from BATFE’s then-special agent in charge of Phoenix, Bill Newell. Newell, as you might recall, was recently reassigned to a new job at Justice Department headquarters.

The Obama administration’s continued stonewalling and seemingly orchestrated cover-up of the “Fast and Furious” scandal is only adding to the overall tragedy of this situation.


It’s tragic that this harebrained scheme cost people their lives, including a brave American Border Patrol agent. It’s also tragic that at the same time the Obama administration was purposefully arming Mexican drug lords, Obama, Holder and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton were blaming American gun owners and our Second Amendment rights for violent crime in Mexico.

But as White House officials continue to hide details related to this scandal, they are now doing serious damage to the rule of law upon which our republic was built.

The longer this drags on, the more lasting the damage will be — not only to our overall institution of government but also to the ability of future leaders to hold federal agencies accountable and protect the sanctity of our freedoms.

For this reason, it’s time for an independent prosecutor to be assigned to this case. Only then will we have any chance of learning the truth so we can fix the problem.

Side note: McStain has also gotten involved in this.

source < http://dailycaller.com/2011...pelHFlr >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 15 2011,6:45 am
‘Castaway’ inmate asks reps to investigate Florida ‘gunwalking’ allegations

Hugh Crumpler III, the federal inmate incarcerated at a facility in Lexington, KY, for illegal firearms sales, has written letters to Rep. Gus Bilirakis and Sen. Marco Rubio requesting they look into “Operation Castaway,” an investigation the Justice Department has characterized as an anti-gun trafficking operation conducted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives’ Tampa Field Division.

Allegations from a credible source of walked guns making their way to Honduras were relayed in an exclusive joint report by Gun Rights Examiner and Sipsey Street Irregulars in July, with the caveat:

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Whether the allegations of our source refer to the ongoing Operation Castaway remains at this hour unclear, but our source is certain that O'Brien has allowed the "walking" of straw-purchased firearms to Honduras using the same failed strategy as the Phoenix Field Division's Operation Fast and Furious


A comment poster on Clean Up ATF defending Tampa operations adamantly denies any gunwalking was a part of Operation Castaway, however, the original source for the allegations reported in July still maintains walking occurred, whether part of Castaway or not.

Crumpler remains just as adamant. “Operation Castaway was a similar operation in Florida, at the same time, that desired, wanted and allowed firearms to be cast away to Honduras,” he writes.

< slideshow accompanying this article for Crumpler’s letters to this reporter, Rep. Bilirakis and Sen. Rubio. > As per established practice, no representations as to accuracy and credibility are being made other than they are the words of Mr. Crumpler.  

UPDATE: The press secretary for Rep. Bilirakis sent out this press release today:

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   Washington, DC (September 14, 2011) – For months, the Department of Justice has dodged questions related to its involvement in gun walking programs such as “Fast and Furious” in Arizona.

   After reports that gun walking programs may have existed throughout the country, and possibly in the Tampa area, Rep. Gus Bilirakis (FL-09) began questioning the involvement and intent of this flawed and dangerous program.

   Bilirakis, a member of the House Homeland Security Committee, has again written a letter to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding answers to pressing questions about the involvement in and knowledge of these programs by the DOJ and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

   “It appears that the DOJ and ATF acted in an extremely misguided manner and that this reprehensible program has resulted in the loss of human life and property,” Bilirakis said. “To date, the administration has not cooperated with this investigation, but we must get to the bottom of this problem and that is why I will continue to investigate who knew what about these gun walking schemes.”

   Numerous reports have shown that the administration knowingly allowed weapons to get into the hands of dangerous criminals, resulting in the death of at least two federal agents. The U.S. is also unable to account for thousands of weapons it allowed to pass into the hands of criminals.


source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...gations >


I have a feeling the Florida op is going to break open just like the Phoenix op did.  What a waste of taxpayers money these ops were, not to mention illegal.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 16 2011,8:31 am
ATF Death Watch 83: Felony Murder?

Might the “felony murder” doctrine be applied to any persons in the Executive Branch who conceived, ordered and implemented Operation F&F/Gunwalker? As you may have expected, the only answer that can be given is, “it depends”, because the felony murder rule is kind of mushy and very fact-dependent. Best guess is no, for several legal reasons, the initial one being statutory immunity for acts done in the execution and regular course of one’s duties of office . . .

In general the felony murder rule makes any participant in a violent felony criminally liable for any deaths (this can include an accidental or unintentional death) which occur during or as a result of the commission of the crime.

Example: 2 guys rob a bank; one stays outside with the car; the other goes inside where, just to frighten folks, he shoots a pistol into the ceiling where it ricochets off a light fixture, out a window and hits a passing motorist in the head, killing her. The guy inside might have been guilty of nothing more than a misdemeanor charge of criminally negligent homicide but for the fact that he was engaged in the commission of the violent felony of bank robbery at the time.

The felony murder rule makes the shooter, as well as the accomplice waiting in the car, guilty of non-capital murder. And yes, technically the rule would allow a murder charge against the person who supplied the gun to the robber if he had a pretty good idea it would be used in criminal activity.

But the rule requires there be a a fairly close connection between the person charged and the crime itself. While in my example it’s possible the gun supplier could be charged, in F&F, even assuming there is no immunity for official acts, there is such a distance in time, place, people and acts that I cannot see how the felony murder rule could be applied.

This doesn’t address the practical problem of how evidence of who was responsible, such as who said what, would be obtained.Then there’s the practical problem of who will start a criminal investigation. No US law enforcement agency will. And I don’t see Congress appointing a Special Prosecutor.

Now, if we change the question to whether those who came up with and pushed this plan should be morally responsible for any deaths which ultimately occurred because of their decisions and acts, the answer is, “You damn betcha”.

A moral person just could not be associated with F&F without ultimately taking some action to indicate his or her disapproval and disassociation. Any moral person who was a proponent of permitting hundreds of pistols and “assault weapons” (as the left has attempted to mis-define semi-auto versions of combat long arms) to go directly into the hands of the Mexican drug cartels, which were then engaged in an extremely violent war not only among themselves but with US Border Patrol and Immigration officers and DEA agents on US territory, would be weighed down with the crushing guilt of his/her responsibility in the deaths of scores of not only cartel thugs but also Mexican as well as US law enforcement agents and even innocent bystanders.

No moral person, no person with honor and integrity, no person of conscience, could possibly have endured the guilt of participating in bringing this evil program into existence. An honorable man or woman would, at a minimum, have argued against the program on moral, not political grounds. Conscience would have forced them to blow the whistle on this politically motivated program, which at heart was an unconstitutional attack on the 2d Amendment and which obviously was going to directly result in multiple deaths.

Indeed, a person of integrity would be hard-pressed not to resign once he or she saw what the deadly harvest of this operation was. And I haven’t noticed any resignation of any hgh White House or DOJ figures in protest of F&F.

So how could a moral person have come up with F&F in the first place? How could anyone with any integrity push for it to be implemented, or have acted as overseer of the ATF agents involved to make sure they were going along with the plan? Well, those questions suggest their own answers: there was no moral person who wanted this program put in place. Not a single person in the Obama White House or the Holder Department of Justice who was involved in the birth and life of F&F, even at the very highest levels, could have had a shred of integrity.

As outrageous as are all the deaths by these guns, it is even more distressing that there was apparently not one decent, honorable person, not one man or woman of integrity and conscience, in any position of significant power or influence in the Obama White House, the Holder DOJ or ATF. I believe history will ultimately record this Administration as one of the most morally and intellectually corrupt in US history. God help us; and please let us make it to January 20, 2013 without losing what little remains of the America that George Bush handed over to Barack Obama.

Source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...-murder >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 16 2011,8:33 am
Alcohol, Tobacco And Murder

Weapons linked to ATF's "Fast and Furious" operation have been tied to at least eight violent crimes in Mexico, including three murders and four kidnappings. At least Solyndra doesn't have a body count.

Administration scandals are piling up fast and furious, no pun intended, but none is worse than the gun-running operation that operated under the umbrella title of Project Gunrunner. Fast and Furious, a deadly subset, gets deadlier by the day.

A letter dated Sept. 9 from Assistant Attorney General Ronald Welch sent to Rep. Darrell Issa, chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, and Sen. Charles Grassley, who's been looking into the scandal on the Senate side, provides what it acknowledges is an incomplete list of crimes made possible by guns allowed to "walk" into Mexico as part of the operation run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

According to the Justice Department letter, among the Fast and Furious firearms used in violent crimes was an AK47-type assault rifle that was purchased by a Fast and Furious suspect and recovered Nov. 14, 2009, in Atoyac de Alvarez, Mexico, after the Mexican military rescued a kidnap victim.

Two AK47-type assault rifles bought by Fast and Furious suspects were recovered in Sonora, Mexico, after a shootout between cartels July 1, 2010. Two murders were reported in the incident using the weapons.

Two AK47-type assault rifles purchased by Fast and Furious targets were recovered in Chihuahua, Mexico, on Nov. 14, 2010, after "the kidnapping of two individuals and the murder of a family member of a Mexican public official."

This is believed to be a reference to the terrorist kidnapping, torture and murder of Mario Gonzalez Rodriguez. Rodriguez was the brother of then-Chihuahua state Attorney General Patricia Gonzalez Rodriguez.

In addition, it is now known that a third gun linked to Fast and Furious was found at the scene where Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry was killed in December 2010 at the hands of an illegal immigrant working for the Sinaloa Cartel just 10 miles from the Mexico border near Nogales, Ariz.


In addition to Agent Terry, Immigration Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata was killed in a separate incident by a weapon allowed to "walk" into Mexico from the U.S. In a letter that DOJ officials turned over to the Senate Judiciary Committee, it was acknowledged that at least 11 violent crimes in the U.S. involved weapons traced to ATF's Fast and Furious operation.

Source < http://www.investors.com/NewsAnd...974&p=1 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 16 2011,8:47 am
More guns found on border, more murders tied to Fast & Furious

 A small cache of weapons, including six semi-automatic rifles, a grenade launcher, a rocket launcher and material that appears to be plastic explosives were recovered along the Rio Grande River in Texas by the Border Patrol Tuesday, according to Reuters.

  This revelation comes less than 18 hours after CBS News reported that at least three murders in Mexico have now been tied to weapons linked to Operation Fast and Furious, the discredited gun trafficking sting mounted by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and this column reported a by-the-book ATF arrest in Texas that did not allow any guns to get into the wrong hands.

  The new weapons discovery in Texas may present a problem for those trying to blame lax gun laws, firearms retailers and even gun shows for being the source of weapons headed south to Mexican drug cartels. While semi-auto rifles are sold in gun shops and at gun shows, one would be hard-pressed to find vendors selling grenade or rocket launchers, or plastic explosives – apparently C-4 – which are not found on retail shelves or gun show tables.

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Inside the bag were six assault rifles, a grenade launcher, a rocket launcher, 20 ammunition magazines for various-sized weapons and three packages of what appeared to be C-4 plastic explosives, a Border Patrol news release said.—Reuters  


The Border Patrol believes the weapons were headed south to arm Mexican gangsters. While firearms are used by cartel killers, Reuters noted in its report that:

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Mexican drug gangs frequently rely on grenades and assault rifles in an escalating battle between rival drug smugglers and against law enforcement.
More than 42,000 people have died in Mexican drug wars since late 2006, when President Felipe Calderon declared war on drug traffickers.--Reuters


An < image of the recovered firearms > shows at least three to be built on AR-type platforms and at least one to be an AK-type rifle. While the Border Patrol is speculating about the destination of the weapons, there is no speculation about killing so far linked to Fast and Furious guns. The CBS report details them, along with five other violent crimes linked to guns that were allegedly allowed to “walk” across the border under the ATF program.

  It is likely that these are not the only crimes that are, or will be, linked to an estimated 2,000 guns that were allowed to enter the illegal gun pipeline during the Fast and Furious investigation that ended abruptly with the slaying of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry. Two guns recovered at the scene were linked early to Fast and Furious. A third gun apparently was also recovered but its existence may have been concealed by the FBI, as < this column noted. >

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According to a letter from U.S. Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), the disclosed incidents may be only a partial list of violent crimes linked to Fast and Furious weapons because "ATF has not conducted a comprehensive independent investigation."—CBS News


Source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...furious >

Now why can't I find a bag full of weapons like this?  If it were me that found that, I would keep my mouth shut and keep it all to myself.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 16 2011,8:48 am
Deep Corruption at the Obama Justice Department

Americans should get furious, and fast, about the abuses.

Start rattling the chains. Start ratcheting up the hue and cry. Fire up the masses. It's long past time to force mass resignations at, and possible prosecutions of members of, the Obama Justice Department -- and, more broadly, of the West Wing itself.

Forgive all the links, but the scope of the corruption is so large as to defy adequate descriptions, in a single column, of each abomination. The reality is that these Obama/Holder minions at DoJ are dangerous to the very heart of constitutional, republican (small 'r') government. Last fall in the Spectator's print edition I did a broad overview of the problems. In the September issue of The New Criterion, Andy McCarthy does a wonderful job outlining the problems with the Holder department and with other examples of Obamite executive overreach. Of course the Black Panther case, the dismissal of which I (on the Washington Times editorial page) and the Times' ace reporter Jerry Seper on the news side were the first to report in print (I later discovered that the fabulous Michelle Malkin wrote on it online a day or two earlier), still hasn't been adequately handled. And the outrageous DoJ blocking of non-partisan elections in Kinston, N.C., solely to benefit the Democratic Party , is now being examined in the courts, with the administration having lost, big, in the latest round.

More recently, the burgeoning scandal of the "Fast and Furious" gun-running blow-up, already a huge embarrassment for the Justice Department, keeps moving closer to the White House. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, for her part, denied direct knowledge of this dangerous idiocy but as Dexter Duggan reports at the Wanderer (sign-in required), the U.S. Attorney who ran the moronic program, Dennis Burke, has been sponsored throughout his entire career by Napolitano. First he worked for her when she was a prosecutor; then (quoting Duggan), "After Napolitano ascended to the governorship in 2003, her chief of staff was none other than Dennis Burke, who went on to be a senior adviser to Napolitano when Obama made her his secretary of Homeland Security in 2009. Obama, however, soon put Burke into Napolitano's old U.S. attorney job in Phoenix. Like Napolitano, Burke got the post as a political plum. It was expected the plum would ripen into bigger fruit, as it had for Napolitano."

This week, meanwhile, Christian Adams continued Pajamas Media's mind-boggling series of stories on blatantly illegal hiring practices at DoJ. Please read that linked story, and all the previous stories linked therein. This is amazingly disturbing stuff. Of 106 supposedly apolitical hires by the Obama/Holder Civil Rights Division, all 106 are demonstrably, irrefutably leftist activists. Again, these are for "career" slots for which no political bias is supposed to be used to hire them. Simple random distribution would assure than in a center-right country, at least a couple of dozen of these hires would be either right of center or at least apolitical -- but not a single one has been anything but a hard-left radical. Look in particular at the summary of the background of Nicole Ndumele, who in addition to a host of other left-wing causes managed "to find time to co-author a wacky 'shadow report' for the United Nations blasting the United States' efforts to combat race discrimination. The report -- titled 'Unequal Opportunity: A Critical Assessment of the U.S. Commitment to the Elimination of Racial Discrimination' -- reads like exactly what it is: a product of the professional racial grievance culture."

As I noted a few weeks ago when writing about this scandal, "These people were members of groups like 'Queer Resistance Front,' 'Intersex Society of North America,' and of course People for the American Way. Their published essays focused on issues such as 'Genital Normalizing Surgery on Intersexed Infants' and on arguing that providing material support for terrorism isn't a war crime. They, or those promoted, have histories of extracurricular activities that include getting arrested at a World Bank protest, going on a hunger strike while chaining oneself to an oak tree and doing advocacy work for 'the rights of incarcerated native Hawaiians to dance the hula and perform Hawaiian chants and rituals in privately owned prisons in Arizona.' A large number of them have donated significant campaign funds to Barack Obama, and some to other liberal candidates."

Buried in Christian Adams' latest story on this scandal comes what should be an incredibly explosive allegation: "Worse, Loretta King, while serving as the acting assistant attorney general for civil rights at the outset of the Obama administration, ordered the resumes of highly qualified applicants to be rejected only because they didn't have political or left-wing civil rights experience. Multiple DOJ sources with direct knowledge of hiring committee practices have confirmed this to me."

Where, oh where are the New York Times and the Washington Post? This is a direct violation of the law that these "news" organizations are deliberately ignoring.

Then there is the continuing failure of systems that are supposed to ensure that military personnel abroad can get ballots cast and counted, which is part of a seemingly deliberate pattern of obstruction by the Obama/Holder Justice Department.

The Obamites at Justice (and elsewhere in the administration) stonewall and prevaricate repeatedly (with spokeswoman Tracy Schmaler also known for one of the most unprofessional and witchy tempers, along with ongoing lack of truthfulness, that some of us have ever seen in decades of dealing with government public relations officials), and they (again illegally) don't even comply with legitimate Freedom of Information requests.

And, of course, their ranks have been filled with an unusually high number of lawyers who considered it pro bono (literally, for the public good!) to represent terrorist detainees held in Guantanamo. When a lawyer or two take up a constitutional issue, it's one thing; but when a whole department is lousy with such lawyers, one starts to see an ideological identification with detainees as supposed "victims" of the very system of justice and ordered liberty that the terrorists have dedicated their lives to destroying.

In the weeks before Eric Holder was confirmed as Attorney General, Jennifer Rubin kept up a steady drumbeat of blog posts warning us all what a dishonest, radically leftist problem he would turn out to be. Rubin was absolutely right. Somehow, though, Holder's dastardliness has outstripped even the stern warnings Rubin issued. Under Richard Nixon, John Mitchell was as corrupt as they come. But that was all for protecting political power. The Holder Justice Department is equally as corrupt, but in worse ways even than Mitchell. Holder's team is out for raw political power unmoored from the law, of course -- but also for hard-leftist ideological ends that undermine the entire tradition of American jurisprudence and legal practice. They are a menace, and they must be stopped.

Source < http://spectator.org/archive...obama-j >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 16 2011,10:27 pm

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 21 2011,7:47 am
Issa favors 'Fast & Furious' special prosecutor

House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., on Tuesday called for a special prosecutor to investigate the growing “Fast and Furious” scandal, in which the Obama administration allowed guns to walk to Mexico, where they fell into the hands of drug lords and were found at the murder scene of at least one U.S. border agent.

Issa complained in a conference call that, “there is ongoing cover up of a pattern of wrongdoing that can’t be explained by any ordinary people (who tried) to do the right thing but made a mistake.”

The Obama administration has been slow to hand over documents to Issa’s committee, and when they have, they’ve been heavily redacted.

“Even though I have subpoena ability, I don’t have the ability to lock people up for contempt until they fess up and give us what we want,” Issa said.

A special prosecutor would have such powers, and would be independent of the government agencies that were responsible for creating and attempting to cover up details of the program.

“We were happy to see the U.S Attorney’s office in Phoenix relieved of these prosecutions so we could have somebody not tarnished in creating the problem also in charge of prosecuting,” Issa said, referring to last month’s news that U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke was pushed out. “But yes, we’d like to have a true special prosecutor on this.”

Issa said he hoped to have the committee’s investigation wrapped up by the end of the year, but the timing depends on how cooperative the Obama administration will be.

House Oversight Chairman Darrell Issa on Tuesday called for a special prosecutor to investigate the growing “Fast and Furious” scandal, in which the Obama administration allowed guns to walk to Mexico, where they fell into the hands of drug lords and were found at the murder scene of at least one U.S. border agent.

Issa complained in a conference call that, “there is ongoing cover up of a pattern of wrongdoing that can’t be explained by any ordinary people (who tried) to do the right thing but made a mistake.”

The Obama administration has been slow to hand over documents to Issa’s committee, and when they have, they’ve been heavily redacted.

“Even though I have subpoena ability, I don’t have the ability to lock people up for contempt until they fess up and give us what we want,” Issa said.

A special prosecutor would have such powers, and would be independent of the government agencies that were responsible for creating and attempting to cover up details of the program.

“We were happy to see the U.S Attorney’s office in Phoenix relieved of these prosecutions so we could have somebody not tarnished in creating the problem also in charge of prosecuting,” Issa said, referring to last month’s news that U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke was pushed out. “But yes, we’d like to have a true special prosecutor on this.”

Issa said he hoped to have the committee’s investigation wrapped up by the end of the year, but the timing depends on how cooperative the Obama administration will be.

source < http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs...secutor >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 21 2011,8:10 am
Secret Recordings Raise New Questions in ATF 'Gunwalker' Operation



WASHINGTON - CBS News has obtained secretly recorded conversations that raise questions as to whether some evidence is being withheld in the murder of a Border Patrol agent.

The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its "Fast and Furious" operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He's talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.

The tapes have been turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General.

The tapes were recorded approximately mid-March 2011 by the primary gun dealer cooperating with ATF in its “Fast and Furious” operation: Andre Howard, owner of Lone Wolf Trading Company in Glendale, Arizona. He’s talking with the lead case ATF case agent Hope MacAllister.

The tapes have been turned over to Congressional investigators and the Inspector General.

As CBS News first reported last February, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to “walk” onto the streets without interdiction into the hands of suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels in its operation “Fast and Furious.”

The conversations refer to a third weapon recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Agent: I was ordered to let guns into Mexico

Court records have previously only mentioned two weapons: Romanian WASR “AK-47 type” assault rifles. Both were allegedly sold to suspects who were under ATF’s watch as part of Fast and Furious.

Also, a ballistics report turned over to Congressional investigators only mentions the two WASR rifles. The ballistics report says it’s inconclusive as to whether either of the WASR rifles fired the bullet that killed Terry.

Law enforcement sources and others close to the Congressional investigation say the Justice Department’s Inspector General obtained the audio tapes several months ago as part of its investigation into Fast and Furious.

Then, the sources say for some reason the Inspector General passed the tapes along to the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona: a subject in the investigation. It’s unclear why the Inspector General, who is supposed to investigate independently, would turn over evidence to an entity that is itself under investigation.

A spokesman from the Office of the Inspector General today said, “The OIG officially provided the United States Attorney’s Office with a copy of the recordings in question so that the USAO could consider them in connection with the government’s disclosure obligations in the pending criminal prosecutions of the gun traffickers. Prior to receiving the tapes, the OIG made clear that we would have to provide a copy of the recordings to the United States Attorney’s Office because they would need to review them to satisfy any legal disclosure obligations.”

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 22 2011,8:14 am
ATF Death Watch 86: NOW Do You Believe Me?

For months, I’ve asserted that Operation Fast and Furious had nothing to do with catching “the big fish” swimming in the “Iron River” of U.S. gun store guns allegedly flowing to Mexican drug thugs. The ATF’s supposed “botched sting” was actually part of a wider U.S. government effort to destroy the Mexican drug cartel known as Los Zetas. In fact, Fast and Furious (and Operation Castaway) was specifically designed to arm the Sinaloas and their pals against the Zetas, who threaten to take control of the drug corridor leading into the United States. And now there’s new evidence linking the ATF to Uncle Sam’s covert anti-Zetas campaign. But first, a quick recap . . .

Back in August, captured former Sinaloa Cartel jefe Jesus Vicente Zambada Niebla fingered the feds in the American government’s pro-Sinaloa, anti-Zetas campaign. That same month, The New York Times revealed that the CIA was stepping-up its campaign against Los Zetas, including in-country agents, store-bought mercenaries and Predator drone flights.

The Mexican military is now staging SWAT style anti-Zetas raids from U.S. soil, coordinated by our friends at Langley using U.S. intel, flying in U.S.-funded choppers, firing U.S.-made guns, grenades and God knows what else. To be fair, the Mexican Navy’s U.S.-trained Seal teams have been going great guns. Since July, they’ve captured Zetas bosses, disrupted the Zetas’ communications network and (reported minutes ago) raided a Zetas “training camp.”

Equally important, we now hear that Cartels unite in the fight against Los Zetas. The anti-Zetas criminal alliance is called “The Resistance.” It has a logo (of course) and, according to our sources, the unofficial blessing of both the United States and Mexican governments.

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   The United Cartel are made up of former members of the Milenio cartel, remnants of the Valencia and the Amezcua Contreras Cartels, La Familia Michoacana, and the Gulf Cartel. Who make criminal groups like The Resistance, Jalisco Cartel New Generation, and the Gulf cartel, which after its break from their executive arm the Zetas The Zetas, maintain an internal struggle that seeks the destruction of both organizations.

   The Resistance, was created by La Familia Michoacana to counter the attacks of criminal groups such as The Zetas.


Hmmm. Lest we forget, the ATF and the U.S. Attorney’s office stand accused of allowing grenade and machine gun maker Jean Baptiste Kingery walk from an arrest in the United States so that he could supply grenades and machine guns to La Familia Michoacana. As part of their anti-Zetas efforts? Count on it.

The result of this ATF-enabled gang-on-gang violence has been nothing less than horrific. On that point, with the help of foxnews.com, let me be clear:

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   Motorists stuck in heavy traffic during rush hour in a Mexican Gulf coast city watched in horror as suspected drug traffickers drove two trucks to a main avenue and dumped 35 dead bodies as gunmen stood guard and pointed their weapons.

   The gruesome scene Tuesday in the downtown of Boca del Rio was the latest escalation in drug violence in Veracruz state, which sits on an important route for drugs and Central American migrants heading north.

   The Zetas drug cartel has been locked in a bloody war with drug gangs for control of the state.


And it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets even worse. As Samuel Logan from Southern Pulse puts it . . .

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We have three disparate groups formed together under a loose alliance to fight against a single paramilitary organization. Gunmen on both sides are well-armed, poorly trained, and highly motivated by pay, reward of ascension within their organizations, and the promise of loot – the perfect recipe for a blood bath.


Click < here > to read Logan’s John Keegan-like analysis of the geography and strategy of this struggle for control of Northern Mexico.

Keep in mind that Logan’s missing a key piece in this blood-soaked puzzle. Neither the American nor Mexican governments are standing around waiting for the killers to kill each other. They’ve chosen the anti-Zetas side in what could be called a civil war—if there was anything even remotely civil about it.

And now that the ATF, CIA, DOJ, ICE, IRS, DHS, CPB, State Department and White House have sided with President Calderon and picked the anti-Zetas team playing “Who Wants to Control $18b a Year in Tax-Free Cash?”, what happens if the Zetas win? Could we have a Mexican military junta with millions of refugees pouring over our porous border? We could.

Even if Los Zetas lose, the likelihood that the U.S. covert war against the mega-cartel will get dirtier in the interim boggles the mind. But there it is. And there’s the ATF, accused of contributing to the cause, thereby contributing to the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata and countless Mexicans.

Their defense? Stupidity. Roger that. No matter which way this goes, whether or not “our” bad guys eventually beat “the other bad guys,” there will be tears before bedtime. To say the least.

source < http://thetruthaboutguns.com/2011...e-64963 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 22 2011,8:25 am
ATF Counsel email to Melson on Gunwalker-Terry murder link preceded intimidation

A just-uncovered January 5, 2011 email to former Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Acting Director Kenneth Melson from Stephen R. Rubenstein, Chief Counsel, ATF, responded to a request by Melson for information regarding allegations on whistleblower website CleanUpATF that walked guns were linked to the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and indicated this was a violation of ATF Orders and Standards of Conduct.

Copies of the email and Melson’s reply are < posted in this correspondent's Scribd account > and included in the sidebar slideshow accompanying this article.  Per Rubenstein’s email:

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This is in response to your request regarding information posted on "Clean Up ATF." Specifically, on December 22, 2010, "1desrtrat" [screen name used by CUATF comment poster--DC] stated that "word is" that Phoenix FD ASAC George Gillet "[a]llegedly approved more than 500 AR-15 type rifles from Phoenix and Tucson cases to be 'walked' into Mexico." The post further states that "[o]ne of those rifles is rumored to have been linked to the recent killing of a Border Patrol Officer in Nogales, AZ."


< That post can be read here > and was the basis for Mike Vanderboegh’s initial December 28 report on the Gunwalker/Terry nexus.

“The disclosure of this information has a potential deleterious effect on ATF's undercover operations,” Rubenstien continued. “In that regard, suspects may alter their behavior if they know that law enforcement is allowing certain firearms to 'walk' into Mexico. In addition, public knowledge of this type of operation potentially places informants and undercover agents in jeopardy. Finally, public disclosure of such information could ATF's working relationship with Mexico.”

Examined objectively, Rubenstein admitted guns were purposely allowed to walk, that walking guns to a foreign country must be hidden from the public, and that if the Mexicans found out about it, cooperative law enforcement efforts would be jeopardized.

“If ‘1desertrat’ is an ATF employee,” Rubenstein advised, “then he/she is subject to our Orders and Standards of Conduct.”

Examined objectively, Rubenstein admitted "1desertrat's" allegations were true, otherwise, there could be no disclosure of official information, nor jeopardizing of operations, personnel or relationships.

Copied on the email to Melson, and apparently taking this assessment from his boss as marching orders, was ATF Associate Chief Counsel Barry S. Orlow. Per The Washington Times in a July report:

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   House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said at least two scheduled witnesses expected to be asked about a controversial weapons investigation known as “Fast and Furious”received warning letters from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to limit their testimony…after receiving subpoenas, at least two of the agents got letters from ATF Associate Chief Counsel Barry S. Orlow warning them to keep certain areas off-limits, including those still under investigation. Neither of the targeted agents was identified.

   Mr. Issa said at least one witness wanted to back out of testifying to his committee after receiving the letter, but the chairman declined that request. Instead he fired a letter back to William J. Hoover, deputy director of ATF, saying the “timing and content of this letter strongly suggest that ATF is obstructing and interfering with the congressional investigation.”


Gun Rights Examiner’s June 22 report on the Issa letter, including a copy of it, < can be read here. >

Melson’s reply to Rubenstein:
QUOTE
Thanks, Steve. I am going to forward this to A. Ken.


His self-interested cooperation with Congressional investigators notwithstanding, the former Acting Director’s cognizance and involvement warrant further examination of his role in covering up Gunwalker activities and retaliating against whistleblowers. And who "A" is remains to be determined, but should be.

Also worth noting in light of the former Acting Director's public expiation, a perception from the ranks of the anonymous, the ones who feel compelled to hide their identities before passing on damning documentation about management words and deeds lest they run afoul of vaunted Standards of Conduct that evidently don't include anything about letting people die, then covering it up and intimidating underlings:

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Spread this far and wide and show everybody what a lying sack of sh*t he really is!!!!


source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...blowers >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 22 2011,8:36 am
Grassley-Issa letter to IG suggests obstruction

In a blistering letter to Cynthia A. Schender, Acting Inspector General for the Justice Department who is investigating Operation Fast and Furious, Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA) assert that her actions relating to secretly-recorded audio tapes has obstructed their investigations of the botched operation.

Schender allowed copies of the recordings — made public by CBS News this week — to be sent to the U.S. Attorney for Arizona (USAAZ) and the Phoenix field office for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. USAAZ and ATF are supposed to be the targets of Schender’s investigation.

The recordings, which were apparently leaked to CBS News after they were made available to USAAZ and ATF, are startling, as noted by < this column. >  It is clear from the letter that Grassley and Issa are angry.  

QUOTE
“The recordings corroborate the cooperating FFL’s allegation that personnel at the ATF and the USAAZ sought to recruit him in an effort to obstruct the congressional inquiry and obscure the truth about Operation Fast and Furious from public scrutiny.”—Sen. Charles Grassley & Rep. Darrell Issa"


Grassley and Issa are investigating the scandal, an effort that Grassley told < this column > in an exclusive interview is somewhat combined, though each office still operates independently of one another.

The audio tapes, made by an Arizona firearms dealer earlier this year, apparently contain suggestions that the dealer help assist with a cover-up.

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“…in one tape the FFL describes his concern about statements Assistant U.S. Attorney Emory Hurley made to the FFL’s counsel at the time, Christopher Rapp. This tape corroborates what both the FFL and his current attorney have each told our Committees about the USAAZ’s initial denials of basic facts surrounding Operation Fast and Furious and the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. Specifically, Mr. Hurley allegedly told Mr. Rapp to tell his client, the FFL, that the U.S. Attorney’s Office, the ATF and the FFL were “all in the same boat.” On another occasion, the ATF Group Supervisor, David Voth, allegedly told the cooperating FFL, “we are all on the same sheet of music. And if we stay on the same sheet of music, we will be all right.” These statements were made in the context of discussing our congressional inquiry. As you can imagine, we believe that allegations of USAAZ and ATF personnel seeking to influence the testimony of witnesses in a congressional investigation deserve thorough, aggressive, and independent investigation. .”—Sen. Charles Grassley & Rep. Darrell Issa"


Later in their letter, the two Capitol Hill veterans pull no punches in their criticism of Schender’s actions, suggesting that the investigation may have been at least partly compromised.  

QUOTE
“Sometime after you provided the recordings to the U.S. Attorney’s Office, someone provided them to both the ATF Public Information Officer in the Phoenix Field Division as well as to the ATF case agent who can be heard on the recordings. Then, they were leaked to the press. Each of these disclosures undermines our ability to assess the candor of witnesses in our investigation and thus obstructs it. Moreover, your decision to immediately disclose the recordings to those you are investigating creates at least the appearance, if not more, that your inquiry is not sufficiently objective and independent. .”—Sen. Charles Grassley & Rep. Darrell Issa


Because of this problem, Grassley and Issa want Schender to answer some questions. Considering the Justice Department’s lack of responsiveness so far, it is doubtful that they will receive answers by their Sept. 26 deadline.

QUOTE
   1)    After obtaining the recordings and realizing that they contained information about misconduct at the USAAZ, why did you not reconsider your decision to provide them directly to the USAAZ?

   2)    What steps, if any, did you take when you provided the recordings to USAAZ to ensure that they wouldn’t be further disseminated, either to ATF or to the press?

   3)    How would potential discovery obligations justify the USAAZ providing the tapes to the ATF case agent and numerous other ATF personnel?

   4)    Will you be examining the circumstances of how the recordings made their way from the USAAZ to the ATF to the press as part of your investigation?

   5)    Will the cooperating FFL’s allegations of witness tampering or obstruction of the Congressional inquiry by USAAZ personnel be part of your investigation?


They also ask Schender to “notify us immediately if you obtain evidence of obstruction of a congressional inquiry.”

< http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...ruction >

Well of course they are obstructing this.  Ocommie and company are doing everything they can to limit culpability in this illegal, impeachable operation.  They broke the law and just like cockroaches they run from the light that is being shined on them.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 23 2011,10:27 pm
ATF agent Jay Dobyns posted...

The Melson-Rubenstein email.

It would be hard to find a better example of how ATF management, the ATF attorneys and Internal Affairs work to retaliate against agents or anyone who exposes their corruption.

In this memo Melson reaches out to ATF Chief Attorney Rubenstein regarding an allegation found on < www.cleanupatf.org > posted under the name of 1desertrat that guns used in the assassination of Border Patrolman Brian Terry may have come through what is now known as Operation Fast and Furious.

I do not know who 1desertrat is and I don’t want to or care to try to find out. Is he/she an ATF Agent? Possibly, more likely probably, but as far as I know only 1desertrat knows for sure.

1desertrat provided nothing more than speculation and rumor in the post; nothing is confirmed or stated in any definitive way. The allegations were floating around on the situation within hours of Brian’s murder, we know that, and well before this post ever hit. More so, the rumors and allegations were proven to be true times 1000, times 100,000.

Rubenstein answers Melson with a series of potential violations and recitations of how ATF Orders were violated if 1desertrat is an ATF employee. Melson’s response, “Thanks Steve. I’m going to forward this to IA ((Internal Affairs). Let the character assassination, denial and cover-up begin!

Even if 1desertrat violated a Bureau order or policy which may have happened, (I’m not an attorney even though I stayed at a Holiday Inn last night) this reaction is typical, historical and institutional. They ignore the 800 pound Gorilla in the room; a dead Border Patrol Agent in the Arizona desert murdered by a gun that was made available to the murderer through at ATF investigation. Management, attorneys and internal affairs immediately went on the attack to sniff out 1desertrat and discipline him/her. No mention of the fact that Melson already knew what was posted by 1desertrat was true and accurate, albeit incomplete.

“Forget about the facts and plug the leak.” That is the headquarters mentality. What happened to the ATF people who retaliated against John Dodson for speaking out? Nothing. What happened to the U.S. Attorney’s Office people who retaliated against Pete Forcelli? Nothing. Pete didn’t even volunteer his testimony. He was issued a Congressional subpoena! At least Pete understood what that meant and he was not going to play word games to avoid it. He answered questions truthfully and honestly and then paid the price for displaying his integrity. Vince Cefalu has been vocal about ATF retaliations and F&F and what happened to him? He is facing an incomplete and fabricated allegation of ‘lack of candor’ that ignored available evidence to the contrary by, yep internal affairs. Vince Cefalu publicly stood up to ATF corruption and they are damn sure going to make sure he pays for it. Let’s get this straight; there is no accountability at ATF for retaliation. That is the dead-nuts-on accurate truth.

Even when they don’t complete the mission to silence the whistleblowers message, they do accomplish the unspoken sub-mission to shut up anyone else. If you were an ATF employee and you held the smoking gun on Fast and Furious would you come forward seeing and knowing what has happened to the lives and careers of Dodson, Forcelli and Cefalu? That is a question that only the individual presented with it can answer. ATF management is betting you won’t.

This is how life is for any ATF employee who exposes the truth, if in fact 1desertrat is. Disregard the facts, ignore the circumstance and crush anyone who may speak out or “post-out” against ATF’s management and corruption. In the minds of some ATF executives the bad public relations of retaliating against whistleblowers is worth the cost in the long run if they keep future whistleblowers silent. They bank on the thought that you will not whistleblow and if you do, then the attorneys and IA will make you so miserable, cost you so much money to defend youself, spend so much time dragging out your justice that you will give up or go broke, or both.

I am personally putting trust and faith in Acting Director Jones. In my opinion he is owed at least that. I am praying that he sees through the smokescreen of information that has been historically filtered and manipulated to our top executive so that he can make clear and positive decisions for ATF. Melson and his crew never even tried to.


QUOTE
Historic Arms LLC, on 22 September 2011 - 07:37 AM, said:
1desertrat they are gunning for you...
< Examiner link to story >
and from < Sipsey Street >

"A just-uncovered January 5, 2011 email to former Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Acting Director Kenneth Melson from Stephen R. Rubenstein, Chief Counsel, ATF, responded to a request by Melson for information regarding allegations on whistleblower website CleanUpATF that walked guns were linked to the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, and indicated this was a violation of ATF Orders and Standards of Conduct."
"Examined objectively, Rubenstein admitted "1desertrat's" allegations were true, otherwise, there could be no disclosure of official information, nor jeopardizing of operations, personnel or relationships."

Folks there is no question ATF management and CCO is monitoring this website.


Isn't this fine and dandy.  The powers that be, do not like their slaves questioning their authority nor do they like the slaves to be telling the public what is going on, so they are out for blood and silence someone either through fear and intimidation or by other means.  This folks is a federal agency that serves at the taxpayers grace and discretion and seems to think they are above the law.

Agent Dobyns already knows all to well, the reprisal against an agent when they do not sit down shut up and play ball like a good little slave.  

Jay Dobyns background:

Jay Dobyns began receiving death and violence threats in 2004 following his infiltration of the Hells Angels. That violence included verified murder contracts against him, credible threats to locate and torture his then 15-year-old daughter, threats to inject him with the AIDS virus to disguise the means murder, and genuine threats to kidnap his wife and videotape the Hells Angels gang raping her.ATF did nothing.

As a direct result, Jay filed a complaint against ATF for their mismanagement of the threats and settled it in 2007. In that formal settlement, ATF explicitly committed to doing whatever was necessary to prevent these outrageous threats against a badged federal agent and his family from ever occurring again.

Then, in August of 2007, Jay’s home was burned to the ground while his family slept inside. ATF determined that the fire was arson, but did nothing more. Not only did they make no attempt to locate the criminals, but even actively turned their backs on obvious opportunities to do so. Then, they even started a whisper campaign implying that Jay himself was responsible for the fire, even though it was immediately established that he was over 100 miles away conducting official ATF business. There is essentially no limit to how far these uncommon criminals will go to ruin anyone that stands up to their incompetence and corruption.

As a direct result of ATF’s refusal to honor their lawful obligations, Jay filed a civil lawsuit against ATF for breach of the 2007 settlement agreement. The Department of Justice, headed by Eric Holder and attorney Kent Kiffner, and with the direct co-conspiratorial assistance of ATF’s infamous Attorneys, Eleaner Loos, Rachael Bouman and Valerie Bacon, fought tooth and nail to have Jay’s lawsuit dismissed from Federal court.

Despite ATF’s best efforts to have Jay’s case thrown out, in 2010, United States District Court of Claims Judge, Hon. Francis Allegra, accepted Jay’s lawsuit, citing that clear grounds were displayed in his compliant to prove negligence, breach of contract, retaliation and reprisal by ATF.

Two weeks after acceptance of the Dobyn’s lawsuit, DOJ (again Holder, Kiffner, Loos, Bouman and Bacon) filed a countersuit against Jay, seeking one-half-million dollars in alleged “damages” to the DOJ, based on Jay’s New York Times Best Selling book, “No Angel”.

Here’s the kicker: The DOJ/ATF countersuit was filed three full years after ATF became aware of Jay’s book. Moreover, the completely bogus and frivolous lawsuit deliberately (and illegally) skipped over every relevant DOJ, ATF and OPM policy, law and regulation pertaining to mandatory procedures for the imposition of internal discipline. You see, according to ATF, Dobyns, who was and remains an ATF employee, apparently did something so seriously wrong as to deserve a million-dollar federal lawsuit, using the full weight and power of the United States government. However, these supposedly heinous acts by Jay did not merit even the most trivial form of disciplinary action! Not so much as a verbal admonishment, let alone suspension or termination! Get the picture?

This established a precedent that enabled Jay to expose the story publicly without violating other terms of the settlement agreement whereby ATF specifically authorized him to write “No Angel”. In short, ATF’s countersuit had absolutely zero merit and was filed solely for the purpose of ruining Jay financially. And this utterly illegal and despicable stratagem was wholeheartedly approved and supported by none other than current ATF Acting Director Ken Melson.

This is what lawyers call “malice aforethought” and “malicious prosecution”. It was perpetrated upon Jay with precisely the same motivations that led to their recently proposed termination of Jay’s friend and partner, Vince Cefalu. It was solely designed to “chill” anyone ever from so much as thinking of speaking out against ATF, to retaliate against Jay for his prior whistle-blowing, and in direct and illegal reprisal for his refusing to “sit down, shut up and go away”.

The chain of command during the first series of threats against Jay, during the arson of his home, and during Project “Gunrunner” and Operation “Fast and Furious” – you guessed it – Michael Sullivan, Ronnie Carter, Ken Melson, Billy Hoover, Bill McMahon, Bill Newell, George Gillett.

Coincidence? Right.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 04 2011,6:33 pm
House Republicans Request Special Counsel to Probe Holder on 'Fast and Furious'

EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are calling for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Eric Holder misled Congress during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, was sending a letter to President Obama on Tuesday arguing that Holder cannot investigate himself, and requesting the president instruct the Department of Justice to appoint a special counsel.

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FILE: Attorney General Eric Holder testifies on Capitol Hill May 3 before a House Judiciary Committee oversight hearing.

The question is whether Holder knowingly made false statements of fact under oath during a Judiciary Committee hearing on May 3. At the time, Holder indicated he was not familiar with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives program known as Fast and Furious until about April 2011.

"I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks," Holder testified.

However, newly discovered memos suggest otherwise. For instance, one memo dated July 2010 shows Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder that straw buyers in the Fast and Furious operation "are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

Other documents also indicate that Holder began receiving weekly briefings on the program from the National Drug Intelligence Center "beginning, at the latest, on July 5, 2010," Smith wrote.

"These updates mentioned, not only the name of the operation, but also specific details about guns being trafficked to Mexico," Smith wrote in the letter to Obama.

"Allegations that senior Justice Department officials may have intentionally misled members of Congress are extremely troubling and must be addressed by an independent and objective special counsel. I urge you to appoint a special counsel who will investigate these allegations as soon as possible," Smith wrote.

House Judiciary Committee Ranking Member John Conyers, D-Mich., said he had not been informed of the reqeest before it was sent to the president.

This is the third time in two years the Judiciary Committee chairman has called for a special counsel. In October 2009, Smith asks for a special counsel to investigate the now defunct community organizing group ACORN. In July 2010, Smith asked the Obama administration for a special counsel to investigate voter intimidation charges against the New Black Panther Party.

In response to the release of the memos, a Justice Department official said that the attorney general "has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the (inspector general) to investigate the matter."

The official added that in March 2011, Holder testified to a Senate Appropriations subcommittee of that development, and regularly receives hundreds of pages, none of which contained information on potential problems with Fast and Furious.

"The weekly reports (100 + pages) are provided to the office of the AG and (deputy attorney general) each week from approximately 24 offices and components. These are routine reports that provide general overviews and status updates on issues, policies, cases and investigations from offices and components across the country. None of these reports referenced the controversial tactics of that allowed guns to cross the border," the official said.

"(House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell) Issa of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show he was given a briefing that included the fast and furious operation in 2010 – a year before the controversy emerged," the official continued.

Issa, R-Calif., told Fox News on Tuesday that Holder saying he didn't understand the question rather than he didn't know of the program is not a successful defense to perjury.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, added that months before Holder testified -- on Jan. 31 -- he came to Grassley's office, where Grassley gave him a letter detailing the investigation of Fast and Furious.

"If he read my letter, he knew on January 31," Grassley told Fox News. "He probably actually knew about it way back in the middle of last year or earlier.

Grassley said since he's not a lawyer he's not going to make a judgment on whether Holder committed perjury.

"But I can tell you this. They're doing everything they can, in a fast and furious way, to cover up all the evidence or stonewalling us. But here's the issue, if he didn't perjure himself and didn't know about it, the best way that they can help us, Congressman Issa and me, is to just issue all the documents that we ask for and those documents will prove one way or the other right or wrong."

Smith said he was not suggesting that Holder committed perjury, per se.

"I am suggesting there is a conflict between what the attorney general told us and what these documents that were just released show us. ... We need to find out what's behind that ... and give the attorney general the opportunity to tell the truth," Smith told Fox News.

source: < http://www.foxnews.com/politic...rJsiMil >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 04 2011,6:36 pm
Fast and Furious: GOP Says Eric Holder is ‘Either Incompetent’ or ‘Misleading Congress’

Twice in 2010, Attorney General Eric Holder received memos referencing the Fast and Furious program, memos that seemingly undermine the letter of his May 3, 2010 testimony that he heard about the Fast and Furious program over the previous few weeks.

Justice Department officials acknowledge that the memos to Holder reference Fast and Furious as an operation – but they argue the memos do not include details about tactics that allowed guns to cross the border. They say Holder understood the May 2011 question to Holder from Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., to have been about when the attorney general learned about the controversial tactics, not about the existence of the program.

Republicans aren’t buying it.

“He’s either incompetent or he’s misleading Congress,” responded Becca Watkins, press secretary for the House Oversight Committee, which is chaired by Issa.

A Justice Department official says that “Chairman Issa, of all people, should be familiar with the difference between knowing about an investigation and being aware of questionable tactics employed in that investigation since documents provided to his committee show he was given a briefing that included the Fast and Furious operation in 2010 – a year before the controversy emerged.” In April 2010, Issa was one of several members of Congress briefed on attempts to stop gun smuggling by criminal cartels.

Holder “has consistently said he became aware of the questionable tactics in this operation in early 2011 when ATF agents first raised them publicly, and then promptly asked the Inspector General to investigate the matter,” the Justice Department official said.

On July 5, 2010 Michael Walther, the director of the Justice Department’s National Drug Intelligence Center, wrote a memo to Holder mentioning the Fast and the Furious operation. It refers to the Drug Intelligence Center Document and media Exploitation Team at the Phoenix Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force’s “Operation Fast and the Furious.”

The operation was described as an “investigation, initiated in September 2009 in conjunction with the Drug Enforcement Administration, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and the Phoenix Police Department, involves a Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring headed by Manuel Celis-Acosta. Acosta and (redacted) straw purchasers are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. They also have direct ties to the Sinaloa Cartel which is suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of firearms in the greater Phoenix area.”

On October 18, 2010, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer wrote a memo to Holder, noting that among the “SIGNIFICANT UPCOMING EVENTS” would be an October 27 indictment of eight individuals involved with traggicking hundreds of firearms to Mexico. “The sealing will likely last until another investigation, Phoenix-based ‘Operation Fast and Furious,’ is ready for takedown,” Breuer wrote.

On May 3, 2011, Issa asked Holder about two Border Patrol agents killed by guns “that were allowed, as far as we can tell, to deliberately walk out of gun shops under the program often called Fast and Furious,” a program that “allowed for weapons to be sold to straw purchasers, and ultimately many of those weapons are today in the hands of drug cartels and other criminals.”

Issa asked Holder when he first knew about the Fast and Furious program.

Holder replied: “I’m not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.”

source < http://abcnews.go.com/blogs...ongress >


Holder the frackingdispcrap is both, after all look who his boss is.  sheeesh.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 04 2011,6:40 pm
CBS News Reporter Says White House Screamed, Swore at Her Over Fast and Furious

The Fast and Furious scandal, in which the Justice Department knowingly gave Mexican criminal gangs thousands of guns, just keeps escalating. The latest development centers around whether or not Attorney General Eric Holder lied to Congress about having knowledge of the controversial gun trafficking operation. Recently released documents say Holder was briefed about the operation long before he told the Judiciary Committee he was first aware of what was going on. (Holder now claims he misunderstood the question was being asked.)

What's more, CBS News investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson -- who's been covering the scandal from the beginning -- says in an interview on the Laura Ingraham Show today that the White House and Justice Department have taken to screaming at her for reporting on the story. You can listen to the full interview below, but here are the key excerpts from Attkisson:

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In between the yelling that I received from Justice Department yesterday, the spokeswoman--who would not put anything in writing, I was asking for her explanation so there would be clarity and no confusion later over what had been said, she wouldn't put anything in writing--so we talked on the phone and she said things such as the question Holder answered was different than the one he asked. But he phrased it, he said very explicitly, 'I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.'

Ingraham: So they were literally screaming at you?
Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House."


Finally, Attkisson notes that the White House is claiming that a thorough investigation of the scandal is unwarranted:

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[The White House and Justice Department] will tell you that I'm the only reporter--as they told me--that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I'm the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I'm unfair and biased by pursuing it.


source < http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...11.html >

Well of course they yelled at her, how dare she question Holder and company, after all they know whats best for us.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 04 2011,6:47 pm
ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010

WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

Yet internal Justice Department documents show that at least ten months before that hearing, Holder began receiving frequent memos discussing Fast and Furious.

Read the new documents

< Read the July 5, 2010 memo >

< Read the "It's a tricky case" email >

< Read the memo to AG Holder from Asst. AG Lanny A. Breuer >

The documents came from the head of the National Drug Intelligence Center and Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer.

In Fast and Furious, ATF agents allegedly allowed thousands of weapons to cross the border and fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

< Gunwalking scandal uncovered at ATF >

< Agent: I was ordered to let guns "walk" into Mexico >

(Watch Holder's statement to Congress in May, 2011 below)


Ever since, the Justice Department has publicly tried to distance itself. But the new documents leave no doubt that high level Justice officials knew guns were being "walked."

Two Justice Department officials mulled it over in an email exchange Oct. 18, 2010. "It's a tricky case given the number of guns that have walked but is a significant set of prosecutions," says Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division. Deputy Chief of the National Gang Unit James Trusty replies "I'm not sure how much grief we get for 'guns walking.' It may be more like, "Finally they're going after people who sent guns down there."

The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General. And tonight they tell CBS News, Holder misunderstood that question from the committee - he did know about Fast and Furious - just not the details.

source < http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 05 2011,10:44 pm
Seems there was an OP during the Bush administration, Operation Wide Receiver.  Seems our Govt likes to think they are above the law.

Operation Wide Receiver

In Wednesday's Outdoor Wire, Jim Shepherd reports on another botched ATF operation in southern Arizona. Called Operation Wide Receiver, it involved straw purchases, RFID chips and antennae, and aerial tracking. The operation was run out of the ATF field offices in Tucson approximately five years ago and like, Operation Fast and Furious, guns made it across the border into Mexico.

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In Operation Wide Receiver, Tucson agents allowed the sales of more than 500 firearms to known straw purchasers. Like Gunrunner/Fast and Furious, the operation apparently backfired.

Some firearms in Wide Receive were equipped with RFID tracking devices. In Wide Receiver, it seems the illegal purchasers seemed more than slightly knowledgeable of the way the ATF and how to take their aerial and electronic tracking procedures down.

Knowing the time aloft numbers for virtually all planes used in government surveillance, the buyers had a simple method of getting their purchases across the border undetected. They simply drove four-hour loops around the area.

As surveillance planes were forced to return to base for re-fueling, the smugglers simply turned and sprinted their cargo across the border.

The RFID tags also turned out to be problematic.

Rather than making large enough holes for the tags to be laid out inside weapons, agents force-fit them into the rifles.

That cramming caused the antennae to be folded, reducing the effective range of the tags. And an already short battery life (36-48 hours maximum) meant that should purchasers allow the firearms to sit, the tracking devices eliminated themselves.

This sounds like something out of "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" but it's not.

To date, Wide Receiver hasn't really amounted to much in the way of interdiction, enforcement or prosecution, despite the huge amounts of surveillance video and audio evidence collected and the millions of dollars expended.

To date, sources tell us the only charges filed in the ongoing investigation are for falsifying Form 4473s. Not much of a return on an investigation that consumed millions of dollars in man-hours and money and placed the lives of law-abiding firearms dealers and their families in jeopardy.


From what Jim writes, this failed operation provided the operating blueprint for Operation Fast and Furious. Given how well Operation Wide Receiver turned out, you would have thought ATF would learned their lesson. I hope Jim will have more on this botched operation over the coming days and weeks.

Update Jim Shepherd has more on Operation Wide Receiver in < The Outdoor Wire for June 16th. >

QUOTE
Meanwhile, information collection regarding Operation Wide Receiver, the apparent predecessor of Fast and Furious continues. Since we first reported on the operation run out of the Tucson office, we have seen more information that confirms the fact that both ATF and Justice Department officials were not only aware of the operation five years ago, they have continued efforts to bring the investigation to some sort of closure.


This tickled something in the back of my head about Bill Newell, former SAC of the Phoenix Field Division, and Tucson. < Mike Vanderboegh of Sipsey Street Irregulars had something from CleanUpATF > on some such operation that was posted back in February. On February 22-23, there were two postings by a couple of CUATF regulars named Jumper and 1desertrat discussing George Gillett who was being accused at the time of retaliation towards a protected whistle-blower and was Acting SAC of the Phoenix Field Division.

1desertrat said:

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This really sickens me to see Gillett getting rewarded for a history of misconduct and incompetence. It also appears he has not taken any heat on approving the Tucson version of phoenix's "Gun Walker" in Tucson called linebacker or wide receiver (something like that)where he and Newell approved "walking" several hundred assault rifles to Mexico. Also, get this ...he approved the signing (and paying) of the FFL dealer as a CI, paid him as a CI and allowed him to profit from the illegal straw purchases ATF directed him to do...what a deal! What do you think would be happening right now if one of those guns were linked to the Tucson shooting of Rep Gifford? How about it Senator Grassley...are these ATF supervisors really the "untouchables"? Retaliation by ATF management is a way of life in ATF. Why...because all know management is corrupt and will pull out all stops to protect one another and NOTHING ever happens!


Jumper responded:

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The best part of this post (if you enjoy hypocracy) is that The Retaliator (Gillett) actually tried to terminate two of the smartest and most productive agents in Phoenix for what he personally deemed to be mismanagement of government funds in the payment of an informant. The Retaliators ruling was overturned by higher ups based on their conclusions that Gillett didn't know what he was talking about but its still pretty funny.Wait till the press gets ahold of Gunrunner II, the Tucson Experiment. Can you imagine the pucker factor Newell and Gillett experience every time a shooting takes place involving a 7.62 round?  Give them some coal and turn both of them into a diamond factory.


Very interesting. I get the feeling that if Operation Wide Receiver is added to Operation Fast and Furious it will make those wildfires sweeping Arizona currently look small by comparison.  

source < http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011...er.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 05 2011,11:13 pm
Congressman: Obama admin may be accessory to murder with ‘Fast and Furious’

Republican Rep. Paul Gosar of Arizona told The Daily Caller on Wednesday that Obama administration officials responsible for Operation Fast and Furious might be accessories to murder.

“We’re talking about consequences of criminal activity, where we actually allowed guns to walk into the hands of criminals, where our livelihoods are at risk,” Gosar said in a phone interview. “When you facilitate that and a murder or a felony occurs, you’re called an accessory. That means that there’s criminal activity.”

Gosar said the government should be held to the same standard as everyone else. Fast and Furious weapons were used to kill U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry, as well as scores of Mexican citizens, and he thinks administration officials should be held accountable.

“We impugn the private sector, we impugn main street America, and the bureaucracy cannot be held to any different standard whatsoever,” Gosar told TheDC, insisting that Justice Department and ATF officials “intentionally — intentionally — violated the law.”

Gosar said the administration was “showing an intentional, wanton disregard for the law,” and that “there’s got to be consequences for that.”

“Leadership has a price,” he added.

Gosar said he’s confident the Congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious will eventually include either the State Department, the Department of Homeland Security, or both.

“I’ve said all along, you’re dealing with a foreign country, you’re talking about an international border — that’s the Secretary of State and of Homeland Security,” Gosar said. “If you weren’t briefing them, it’s even worse that we had vigilantes from DOJ going unchecked and we did not tell our folks in Mexico about this.”

“This should have been a Cabinet [issue], and I keep saying it all along,” Gosar continued. “He [Holder] points to Homeland Security Secretary [Janet] Napolitano in this and I would have no doubts — I’m a common sense person — that this should have also involved the secretary of state, which means everybody knew — and we’re starting to see that in the document dump from the White House.”

As new documents showing how many more senior political officials in the Obama administration were aware of Fast and Furious continue to surface, Gosar said it’s becoming clearer that senior officials in the Obama administration are responsible for the program. The latest documents to surface indicate that Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed on Operation Fast and Furious at least two times in 2010, despite Holder’s May 3 testimony that he had only learned of the gun walking operation a few weeks before his Congressional appearance.

Like House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell Issa, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith and Rep. Jason Chaffetz, Gosar thinks that May 3 testimony was “misleading.”

Chaffetz told the TheDC on Tuesday that he thinks Holder was “less than candid.” Smith has called for an investigation into the truthfulness of Holder’s comments, and Issa has publicly questioned the attorney general’s veracity as well.

“I certainly believe that he either misrepresented the facts or he’s sufficiently incompetent that he didn’t know what was in his weekly briefings,” Issa told CNN’s Anderson Cooper Tuesday evening.

At this time, it’s unclear what Holder’s future will be. When TheDC asked Republican Study Committee Chairman Rep. Jim Jordan if he thinks Holder should resign over these allegations, Jordan replied that he’s not sure at this point, but he expects Issa and Smith to bring Holder in front of their committees to answer the questions under oath again.

“I spoke with Darrell [Issa] briefly this morning,” Jordan told TheDC at a Wednesday breakfast for reporters. “I think that they’re looking to get the attorney general to come in and testify.”

“My guess is it might be a joint hearing of both Judiciary and Oversight with the attorney general,” Jordan added. “So we’ll see. And I think what’s appropriate is let’s get him under oath in front of the respective committees and then see how that process plays out.”

Gosar said that while it’s troubling that the attorney general may have misled or lied to Congress, it’s important not to lose sight of the real issue here: The Obama administration allowed guns to walk to Mexico in Operation Fast and Furious, which he says is more “egregious” than the possibility that Holder lied to Congress.

“You had gun dealers who said, ‘Listen, I don’t feel comfortable selling these guns,’ and the ATF said, ‘Sell the guns,’” Gosar said. “Then, when you had special agents trying to do surveillance, they [the ATF] told them to stand down. They were intentionally doing this, they’re showing an intentional, wanton disregard for the law, and there’s got to be consequences for that.”

Watch
Informant: ATF "gun walking" went on for years




source < http://dailycaller.com/2011...furious >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 09 2011,10:00 am
Ol' Holder is upping the ante...throwing down the gauntlet at Congress and the media. I'm just curious...does anyone here think that this is a legitimate strategy (to keep denying that he lied his ass off and attack his accusers)? I don't know about you, but I'm convinced that you could find a more competent, honest and respectable Attorney General by taking out an ad in the Craig's List "Personals" section.

Holder's actual letter to Congress denouncing his "Fast & Furious" accusers is attached at the bottom of this post.

Holder Challenges 'Fast and Furious' Allegations in Scathing Letter to Congress:

Attorney General Eric Holder, under new pressure from Republicans over when he learned of "Operation Fast and Furious," has mounted his most forceful defense to date, accusing critics of using "irresponsible and inflammatory rhetoric" and insisting his statements have been "truthful and accurate."

"I have no recollection of knowing about 'Fast and Furious' or of hearing its name prior to the public controversy about it," Holder wrote in a letter to congressional leaders Friday. "Prior to early 2011, I certainly never knew about the tactics employed in the operation."

The letter comes one day after the ranking Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, distributed five memos addressed to Holder in July and August 2010, citing the gunrunning investigation by name. Nearly a year after those heavily redacted memos were sent, the attorney general in May told lawmakers under oath he "probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks."

A spokesman for Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif, who as chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is leading a congressional investigation into "Fast and Furious," said he found Holder's letter unconvincing.

"If Attorney General Holder had said these things five months ago when Congress asked him about 'Operation Fast and Furious,' it might have been more believable," the spokesman said. "At this point, however, it's hard to take at face value a defense that is factually questionable, entirely self-serving, and a still incomplete account of what senior Justice Department officials knew about gun walking."

The broader back-and-forth focuses on tactics used by ATF investigators in Arizona to target major gunrunners. Launched in late 2009, the investigation planned to follow gun purchasers in hopes that suspects would lead them to the heads of Mexican cartels. But high-powered weapons tied to the investigation ended up at crime scenes in Mexico and the United States, including the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry late last year.

After the release of the memos Thursday, Issa said Holder "has failed to give Congress and the American people an honest account of what he and others knew about gun-walking and Operation Fast and Furious," calling "the lack of candor ... deeply disturbing."

In addition, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, R-Texas, is calling for a special counsel to look into the matter. And earlier Friday, sheriffs from 10 Arizona counties echoed the call, accusing Holder and the Justice Department of "betraying every law enforcement officer in America, especially Arizona."

In his letter, Holder said it's his most ardent critics who have "heaped" disrespect upon the nation's law enforcement officers.

The attorney general said he "cannot sit idly by" while, for example, a Republican on the House Oversight Committee suggests "that law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered 'accessories to murder.'" Holder, referring to a comment by Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., called on his critics to "denounce" such statements.

He noted he has so far remained relatively mum on the matter, while the Justice Department's inspector general completes its own investigation, launched at Holder's behest. But, he said Friday, he feels compelled to speak out now because "the public discourse concerning these issues has become so base and so harmful to interests that I hope we all share."

The memos cited by Holder's critics were from Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, and addressed to the attorney general himself.

They describe a "Phoenix-based firearms trafficking ring" with "direct ties to the Sinaloa Cartel, which is suspected of providing $1 million for the purchase of firearms in the greater Phoenix area." The memos contain the same unredacted information, outlined in a nearly identical paragraph each time.

In his statement Thursday, Grassley noted the memos specifically said the suspected "straw buyers" were "responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels."

Grassley said: "With the fairly detailed information that the attorney general read, it seems the logical question for the attorney general after reading in the memo would be 'why haven't we stopped them?' ... And if he didn't ask the questions, why didn't he or somebody in his office?"

In his letter Friday, Holder said such statements "mischaracterize the process by which I receive information concerning the activities of the department's many components."

He said his office typically receives more than 100 pages of "so-called 'weekly reports' that, while addressed to me, actually are provided to and reviewed by" his staff and the deputy attorney general's staff. He said he does not "and cannot read them cover-to-cover."

"Please note that none of these summaries [recently disclosed] say anything about the unacceptable tactics employed by ATF," he wrote. And, he said, "No issues concerning Fast and Furious were brought to my attention because the information presented in the reports did not suggest a problem."

Still, Holder acknowledged in his letter that "senior officials" within his department "were aware at the time that there was an operation called 'Fast and Furious' although they were not advised of the unacceptable operational tactics being used." He noted that, according to Issa himself, even the ATF head at the time has said he didn't know about the tactics being used by his own agency.

Holder also made a point of noting "the flawed tactics employed" were also used "in an investigation conducted during the prior administration."

From 2006 to about the end of 2007, as part of "Operation Wide Receiver," investigators "permitted guns to be transferred to suspected gun traffickers and had not interdicted them," according to a current Justice Department official.

The investigation was initiated after ATF "received information about a suspicious purchase of firearms," the official said. But the controversial tactics were only discovered in 2009 after prosecutors began reviewing the case for possible prosecution, resulting in two sets of indictments, according to the official.

On Wednesday, the newly assigned ATF head, B. Todd Jones, said "everything is under review" in the way of investigative practices and processes at the agency.

"We've got to hit the reset button and move forward," he said.
< Holders letter to Congress >

Source < http://www.foxnews.com/politic...8d8swJY >

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 10 2011,1:47 pm
It appears that subpoenas will go out to the Obama Administration, the DOJ and Holder in the next day or so.  How long will the Oversight Committee put up with the DOJ investigating itself?  The White House and Holder seem to be the dog running around trying to figure out where to bury the bone.  

This has got to come to a head soon.  First Holder denies knowing anything, tries to blame another department, then he only heard about it earlier in this year.  Then denies something he was briefed on, followed by "there are hundreds of memos that come across my desk every day, how can I read everything."   The smoking gun is likely the fact of Holder's refusal to contribute or assist in the congressional investigation and to continue to shift blame to others.  It's been lies compounded by more lies.

Perhaps the best thing that may come out of this is that Holder doesn't just fall on his sword, therefore exposing a bigger picture that could go all the way to the White House.

Innocent people will die for years to come because of this fiasco.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2011,2:54 pm
Somebody's been watching Fox News Sunday, or reading WND?
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 10 2011,3:38 pm
Not me.  I was too busy for much TV yesterday.  I did catch a little of the Green Bay game though.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 10 2011,3:48 pm
Read WND?  Yeah, right.  About as much as I watch MSNBC.  :rofl:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,6:56 pm
CCRKBA To Obama: We May Hire ‘Shadow’ Investigator If You Don’t Appoint One

BELLEVUE, WA – -(Ammoland.com)- If President Barack Obama does not appoint a special, independent prosecutor to investigate the Justice Department’s cover-up of Operation Fast and Furious, and find out what Attorney General Eric Holder knew and when he knew it, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms may hire its own “shadow” investigator.

   “President Obama told reporters yesterday that he has complete confidence in Eric Holder,” said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “From our perspective, it looks like the president has complete confidence that Holder will continue to stonewall Congress and cover up this mess. The President has been asked to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the attorney general. If he doesn’t, then someone else must act.”

Gottlieb said the Fast and Furious scandal is “far worse than Watergate, because nobody got killed as a result of Watergate.”

The investigation began when two on-line journalists uncovered evidence that the gun trafficking scheme put thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican cartel gunmen. Two of those guns were recovered at the murder scene of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry last December:

QUOTE
   “Fast and Furious has gotten a lot of people killed,” he observed, “including Brian Terry. CBS News disclosed Friday morning that former Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler knew about Fast and Furious 18 months ago. He’s now Holder’s chief of staff. Yet the President and Holder both stick to the claim that they had no knowledge of the operation. Just how much longer does this administration think the American public is going to believe that story? People aren’t that gullible.

   “The public deserves to know whether the Attorney General, the top law enforcement official in the United States, committed perjury when he testified before Congress,” Gottlieb said.

   “What’s happening right now is a travesty,” he concluded. “Obama isn’t going to fire Holder or accept his resignation. He desperately needs Holder to stay on the job and continue obfuscating and stonewalling. Obama is more interested in damage control than he is in gun control.”


With more than 650,000 members and supporters nationwide, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is one of the nation’s premier gun rights organizations. As a non-profit organization, the Citizens Committee is dedicated to preserving firearms freedoms through active lobbying of elected officials and facilitating grass-roots organization of gun rights activists in local communities throughout the United States. The Citizens Committee can be reached by phone at (425) 454-4911, on the Internet at < www.ccrkba.org > or by email to
InformationRequest@ccrkba.org.

Source: < http://www.ammoland.com/category/pro-gun/page/7/ >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 10 2011,7:00 pm
Oh no, not a "shadow investigator"... :rofl:
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,7:02 pm
Fast and Furious weapons were found in Mexico cartel enforcer's home
Guns illegally purchased under the ATF operation were found in April hidden in violence-plagued Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, court records show.

Reporting from Washington—
High-powered assault weapons illegally purchased under the ATF's Fast and Furious program in Phoenix ended up in a home belonging to the purported top Sinaloa cartel enforcer in Ciudad Juarez, Mexico, whose organization was terrorizing that city with the worst violence in the Mexican drug wars.

In all, 100 assault weapons acquired under Fast and Furious were transported 350 miles from Phoenix to El Paso, making that West Texas city a central hub for gun traffickers. Forty of the weapons made it across the border and into the arsenal of Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, a feared cartel leader in Ciudad Juarez, according to federal court records and trace documents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

The smugglers' tactics — quickly moving the weapons far from ATF agents in southern Arizona, where it had been assumed they would circulate — vividly demonstrate that what had been viewed as a local problem was much larger. Six other Fast and Furious guns destined for El Paso were recovered in Columbus, N.M.

"These Fast and Furious guns were going to Sinaloans, and they are killing everyone down there," said one knowledgeable U.S. government source, who asked for anonymity because of the ongoing investigations. "But that's only how many we know came through Texas. Hundreds more had to get through."

Torres Marrufo, also known as "the Jaguar," has been identified by U.S. authorities as the enforcer for Sinaloa cartel chieftain Joaquin "Chapo" Guzman. The Fast and Furious weapons were found at one of Torres Marrufo's homes April 30 when Mexican police inspected the property. It was unoccupied but "showed signs of recent activity," they said.

The basement had been converted into a gym with a wall covered with built-in mirrors. Behind the mirrors they found a hidden room with the Fast and Furious weapons and dozens more, including an antiaircraft machine gun, a sniper rifle and a grenade launcher.

"We have seized the most important cache of weapons in the history of Ciudad Juarez," Chihuahua state Gov. Cesar Duarte said at the time, though he did not know that many of the weapons came from the U.S. and Fast and Furious.

Torres Marrufo has been indicted in El Paso, but authorities have been unable to locate and arrest him.

In the U.S., intelligence officials consider the Sinaloa cartel the most powerful drug trafficking organization in the world. Weekly reports from U.S. intelligence authorities to the Justice Department in the summer of 2010, at the height of Fast and Furious, warned about the proliferation of guns reaching the Sinaloa cartel.

Under Fast and Furious, begun in fall 2009, the ATF allowed illegal buyers to walk away with weapons in the hope that agents in Phoenix could track the guns and arrest cartel leaders.

Three months into the program, El Paso began to emerge as a hub, perhaps the central location, for Fast and Furious weapons. On Jan. 13, 2010, El Paso police stumbled upon 40 firearms after following a suspicious dark blue Volkswagen Jetta that backed into a garage at a local residence, according to federal court records.

Alberto Sandoval told authorities he acquired the weapons three days after they were purchased from someone he knew only as "Rudy." He said he was paid $1,000 to store the guns and "knew the firearms were going to Mexico."

Sandoval pleaded guilty in federal court in El Paso and was sentenced to 6 1/2 years in prison. A month later, on Dec. 17, 2010, he escaped from a minimum-security prison in Tucson; officials believe he fled to Mexico.

Two others, Ivan Chavira and Edgar Ivan Galvan, were subsequently charged in that gun recovery, along with the recovery of 20 Fast and Furious weapons on April 7, 2010, in El Paso. Those guns also were discovered by chance by local authorities, and ATF trace records show that the weapons were purchased in Phoenix two weeks before they were found in El Paso.

Chavira and Galvan pleaded guilty. Chavira received eight years in prison; Galvan is to be sentenced next month.

Source: < http://www.latimes.com/news...8.story >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,7:11 pm
Ten Arizona Sheriffs Say Enough Is Enough

Sheriffs from ten Arizona counties held a press conference outside the Arizona State Capitol today. They said it was time for an independent investigation into Operation Fast and Furious.



The sheriffs represent Pinal, Cochise, LaPaz, Mohave, Greenlee, and Yavapai counties and are both Democrats and Republicans. They all agreed that it was not a partisan issue for them but rather a feeling of betrayal by the Federal government. According to the report by ABC 15 reporter Lori Jean Gliha,  all the sheriffs were united in their call for an independent investigation.

QUOTE
"It's embarrassing to this country and me," said LaPaz County Sheriff Don Lowery. "I've spent fifty years in uniform, and it's embarrassing for me to stand before you and apologize for people that we elect."

Lowery, a Democrat, said when it comes to this case, he is not a politician and believes people should be held accountable for the case, no matter what their party affiliation is.

"If this guy (Holder) done something wrong," Lowery said, "He needs to be terminated, if he did. It needs to be investigated first."




Source: < http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2011...is.html >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,7:43 pm
Holder Goes With The “I’m Incompetent and Let My Subordinates Handle All Memos” Defense

CBS lets Sharyl Attkisson decloak long enough to print Eric Holder’s “I didn’t lie, I swear, I was just incompetent” defense for the Fast and Furious scandal:

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Holder says that his testimony to Congress, stating he first heard of Fast and Furious earlier this year, “was truthful and accurate… I have no recollection of knowing about Fast and Furious prior to the public controversy about it.”


In other words: I’m so out-of-the-loop that I didn’t know my underlings were involved in a massive, illegal, and deadly plot to break the law resulting in over 200 deaths. Way to be on top of things, Mr. AG!

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Holder maintains he didn’t know about the controversial gunwalking tactics used in the case.


The Sgt. Schultz defense.

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The Attorney General says that while he was sent received memos on Fast and Furious, they are “actually provided to and reviewed by members of my staff and the staff of the Office of the Deputy Attorney General.”


The Richard Nixon “I was out of the loop” defense. Didn’t work so well for him either.

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   As CBS News has reported, the Deputy Attorney General during Fast and Furious, Gary Grindler is now Holder’s Chief of Staff. Documents provided to Congress indicate Grindler received a detailed briefing on Fast and Furious in March of 2010 and made handwritten notes on briefing materials.

   However, in the letter, Holder says Grindler “was not told of the unacceptable tactics employed in the operation in his regular monthly meetings with ATF…”

   “I now understand some senior officials within the Department were aware at the time there was an operation called Fast and Furious although they were not advised of the unacceptable operational tactics being used in it,” says Holder’s letter.


There’s a word for this sort of denial: it’s called bullcrap. Bureaucracies are good at one thing: Following the rules. Even as stupid as some of the cowboys in ATF are, there’s no way some field-level supervisor got the bright idea: “Hey, let’s directly violate the federal laws we’re supposed to enforce! Plus I won’t tell anyone higher up! What’s the worst that could happen?” Doesn’t pass the smell test. You don’t isolate top officials from this sort of info, you make sure they’re in the loop to cover your own ass. Fast and Furious is so far off the reservation that the order for it had to come from way up high. Not necessarily Holder (though that’s a distinct possibility), but someone far enough up the food chain to make such an outrageous order stick. Like Obama.

Plus this:

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In his letter, Holder also criticized the House Committee investigating Fast and Furious, saying he cannot sit idly by “as law enforcement and government employees who devote their lives to protecting our citizens be considered ‘accessories to murder’.”


Well then, maybe you should have, oh, I don’t know, provided enough oversight to make sure they weren’t accessories to murder. Shouldn’t be that hard.

There are two possibilities:

A. If Holder knew about Fast and Furious, he’s an accessory to murder, and shouldn’t be Attorney General.
B. If Holder didn’t know about Fast and Furious, then he’s manifestly incompetent, and shouldn’t be Attorney General.

There is no option C.

source: < http://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=8649 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,7:46 pm
Labrador Calls for Resignation of Attorney General Holder Over "Fast and Furious" Testimony Discrepancies

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Today, Idaho First Congressional District Congressman Raúl R. Labrador called for the resignation of United States Attorney General Eric Holder after evidence of discrepancies in his previous testimony before the House Committee on the Judiciary was brought to light by a national media outlet.

Mr. Labrador has been critical of potential abuses of the Bureau of Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BAFTE) since his March 17, 2011 letter to Oversight Chairman Darrel Issa urging his committee to conduct in-depth investigations into allegations of weapons being sold, with federal government complicity, to Mexican cartels.  Over 1,500 such weapons remain unaccounted for and already one was found at the scene of the death of an American law enforcement officer.

Labrador stated, “I first learned about Fast and Furious early this year from several of my constituents.  I then asked Chairman Issa to hold hearings on the topic.  As I attended the hearings and reviewed the evidence, I was careful to not jump to any conclusions about the extent of Mr. Holder’s involvement.  However, the recently published documents that directly link Mr. Holder to Fast and Furious have convinced me that he is either lying or grossly incompetent.”

Rep. Labrador continued, “The Attorney General of the United States has an obligation to provide truthful and accurate testimony to Congress. When Attorney General Eric Holder testified before Congress on May 3, his statements were either untrue or deliberately misleading.  It is clear from recently-released documents that Mr. Holder did in fact know about Fast and Furious well before he publicly admitted.  Attorney General Holder has a troubling pattern of failed cooperation with the legislative branch. Because of this intentional stonewalling and his misleading testimony, I now call for Mr. Holder’s resignation.  It is clear he has not been honest about the extent of his involvement with the failed Fast and Furious program and should not be entrusted with managing the Department of Justice.“

“He cannot avoid responsibility for his involvement with a government program that directly led to the tragic death of a decorated U.S. Border Patrol agent.  As our nation’s top enforcer of the principles of law and justice, Mr. Holder has lost all credibility and should step down immediately. The question now is if Mr. Holder is he only protecting himself or is he also protecting others - perhaps all the way to the top of the administration,” Labrador concluded.

Documents linking Eric Holder to Fast and Furious can be seen at CBS News < http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-201 >

Key Facts about Fast and Furious from the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform’s Joint Staff Report (full report available online) < http://oversight.house.gov/images/stories/Reports/ATF_Report.pdf: >


•    ATF agents are trained to “follow the gun” and interdict weapons whenever possible.


•    Operation Fast and Furious required agents to abandon this training.


•    ATF agents complained about the strategy of allowing guns to walk in Operation Fast and Furious. Leadership ignored their concerns. Instead, supervisors told the agents to “get with the program” because senior ATF officials had sanctioned the operation.


•     Agents knew that given the large numbers of weapons being trafficked to Mexico, tragic results were a near certainty.


•    Agents expected to interdict weapons, yet were told to stand down and “just surveil.” Agents therefore did not act. They watched straw purchasers buy hundreds of weapons illegally and transfer those weapons to unknown third parties and stash houses.


•    Jaime Avila was entered as a suspect in the investigation by ATF on November 25, 2009, after purchasing weapons alongside Uriel Patino, who had been identified as a suspect in October 2009. Over the next month and a half, Avila purchased 13 more weapons, each recorded by the ATF in its database within days of the purchase. Then on January 16, 2010, Avila purchased three AK-47 style rifles, two of which ended up being found at the murder scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry. The death of Border Agent Brian Terry was likely a preventable tragedy.


•    Phoenix ATF Special Agent in Charge (SAC) William Newell’s statement that the indictments represent the take-down of a firearms trafficking ring from top to bottom, and his statement that ATF never allowed guns to walk are incredible, false, and a source of much frustration to the agents. Despite mounting evidence to the contrary, DOJ continues to deny that Operation Fast and Furious was ill-conceived and had deadly consequences.

source: < http://labrador.house.gov/index.c...mid=423 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,8:22 pm
Bad Gunwalker news in the Fuhrerbunker. Shield your keyboards, boys and girls, for Hitler has found out that CBS is covering Fast & Furious. "Bloggers don't matter. Now if CBS reported it, we'd be in trouble."




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"As long as that idiot Holder doesn't do anything stupid. Like commit perjury. But even he couldn't be that stupid."


:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 10 2011,10:17 pm
Issa to Holder: “You Own Fast and Furious”
WASHINGTON, D.C. – House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa today sent a letter to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder responding to his letter of October 7. The text of Chairman Issa's letter to Attorney General Holder is below:

Dear Attorney General Holder:

From the beginning of the congressional investigation into Operation Fast and Furious, the Department of Justice has offered a roving set of ever-changing explanations to justify its involvement in this reckless and deadly program. These defenses have been aimed at undermining the investigation. From the start, the Department insisted that no wrongdoing had occurred and asked Senator Grassley and me to defer our oversight responsibilities over its concerns about our purported interference with its ongoing criminal investigations. Additionally, the Department steadfastly insisted that gunwalking did not occur.

Once documentary and testimonial evidence strongly contradicted these claims, the Department attempted to limit the fallout from Fast and Furious to the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). When that effort also proved unsuccessful, the Department next argued that Fast and Furious resided only within ATF itself, before eventually also assigning blame to the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona. All of these efforts were designed to circle the wagons around DOJ and its political appointees.

To that end, just last month, you claimed that Fast and Furious did not reach the upper levels of the Justice Department. Documents discovered through the course of the investigation, however, have proved each and every one of these claims advanced by the Department to be untrue. It appears your latest defense has reached a new low. Incredibly, in your letter from Friday you now claim that you were unaware of Fast and Furious because your staff failed to inform you of information contained in memos that were specifically addressed to you. At best, this indicates negligence and incompetence in your duties as Attorney General. At worst, it places your credibility into serious doubt.

Following the Committee's issuance of a subpoena over six months ago, I strongly believed that the Department would fully cooperate with Congress and support this investigation with all the means at its disposal. The American people deserve no less. Unfortunately, the Department's cooperation to date has been minimal. Hundreds of pages of documents that have been produced to my Committee are duplicative, and hundreds more contain substantial redactions, rendering them virtually worthless. The Department has actively engaged in retaliation against multiple whistleblowers, and has, on numerous occasions, attempted to disseminate false and misleading information to the press in an attempt to discredit this investigation.

Your letter dated October 7 is deeply disappointing. Instead of pledging all necessary resources to assist the congressional investigation in discovering the truth behind the fundamentally flawed Operation Fast and Furious, your letter instead did little but obfuscate, shift blame, berate, and attempt to change the topic away from the Department's responsibility in the creation, implementation, and authorization of this reckless program. You claim that, after months of silence, you "must now address these issues" over Fast and Furious because of the harmful discourse of the past few days. Yet, the only major development of these past few days has been the release of multiple documents showing that you and your senior staff had been briefed, on numerous occasions, about Fast and Furious.

The Mexican Cartels

A month after you became Attorney General, you spoke of the danger of the Mexican drug cartels, and the Sinaloa cartel in particular. The cartels, you said, "are lucrative, they are violent, and they are operated with stunning planning and precision." You promised that under your leadership "these cartels will be destroyed." You vowed that the Department of Justice would "continue to work with [its] counterparts in Mexico, through information sharing, training and mutual cooperation to jointly fight these cartels, both in Mexico and the United States."

Under your leadership, however, Operation Fast and Furious has proven these promises hollow. According to one agent, Operation Fast and Furious "armed the cartel. It is disgusting." Fast and Furious simply served as a convenient means for dangerous cartels to acquire upwards of 2,000 assault-style weapons. On top of that, the Government of Mexico was not informed about Fast and Furious. In fact, DOJ and ATF officials actively engaged in hiding information about Fast and Furious from not only Mexican officials, but also U.S. law enforcement officials operating in Mexico for fear that they would inform their Mexican counterparts. This strategy is inapposite and contradicts the promises you made to the American people.

Your September 7, 2011 Statement

On September 7, 2011, you said that "[t]he notion that [Fast and Furious] reaches into the upper levels of the Justice Department is something that at this point I don't think is supported by the facts and I think once we examine it and once the facts are revealed we'll see that's not the case." Unfortunately, the facts directly contradict this statement.

Lanny Breuer, the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, clearly a member of the Department's senior leadership, knew about Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. In fact, I have learned that the amount of detail shared with Breuer's top deputies about Fast and Furious is simply astounding.

For example, Manuel Celis-Acosta was the "biggest fish" of the straw purchasing ring in Phoenix. From the time the investigation started in September 2009 until March 15, 2010, Manuel Celis-Acosta acquired at least 852 firearms valued at around $500,000 through straw purchasers. Yet in 2009, Celis-Acosta reported an Arizona taxable income of only $15,475. Between September 2009 and late January 2010, 139 of these firearms were recovered, 81 in Mexico alone. Some of these firearms were recovered less than 24 hours after they were bought.

This information, and hundreds of pages worth of additional information, was included in highly detailed wiretap applications sent for authorization to Breuer's top deputies. It is my understanding, the Department applied to the United States District Court for the District of Arizona for numerous wire taps from March 2010 to July 2010. These wire tap applications were reviewed and approved by several Deputy Assistant Attorney Generals, including Kenneth A. Blanco, John C. Keeney, and Jason M. Weinstein. Breuer's top deputies approved these wiretap applications to be used against individuals associated with the known drug cartels. As I understand it, the wire tap applications contain rich detail of the reckless operational tactics being employed by your agents in Phoenix. Although Breuer and his top deputies were informed of the operational details and tactics of Fast and Furious, they did nothing to stop the program. In fact, on a trip to Mexico Breuer trumpeted Fast and Furious as a promising investigation.

Gary Grindler, the then-Deputy Attorney General and currently your Chief of Staff, received an extremely detailed briefing on Operation Fast and Furious on March 12, 2010. In this briefing, Grindler learned such minutiae as the number of times that Uriel Patino, a straw purchaser on food stamps who ultimately acquired 720 firearms, went in to a cooperating gun store and the amount of guns that he had bought. When former Acting ATF Director Ken Melson, a career federal prosecutor, learned similar information, he became sick to his stomach:

I had pulled out all Patino's -- and ROIs is, I'm sorry, report of investigation -- and you know, my stomach being in knots reading the number of times he went in and the amount of guns that he bought. Transcribed interview of Acting ATF Director Kenneth Melson at 42.

At the time of his briefing in March of last year, Grindler knew that Patino had purchased 313 weapons and paid for all of them in cash. Unlike Melson, Grindler clearly saw nothing wrong with this. If Grindler had had the sense to shut this investigation down right then, he could have prevented the purchase of an additional 407 weapons by Patino alone. Instead, Grindler did nothing to stop the program.

Following this briefing, it is clear that Grindler did one of two things. Either, he alerted you to the name and operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case your May 3, 2011 testimony in front of Congress was false; or, he failed to inform you of the name and the operational details of Fast and Furious, in which case Grindler engaged in gross dereliction of his duties as Acting Deputy Attorney General. It is fair to infer from the fact that Grindler remains as your Chief of Staff that he did not engage in gross dereliction of his duties and told you about the program as far back as March of 2010.

In the summer of 2010, at the latest, you were undoubtedly informed about Fast and Furious. On at least five occasions you were told of the connection between Fast and Furious and a specific Mexican cartel – the very cartel that you had vowed to destroy. You were informed that Manuel Celis-Acosta and his straw purchasers were responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug trafficking cartels. Yet, you did nothing to stop this program.

You failed to own up to your responsibility to safeguard the American public by hiding behind "[a]ttorneys in [your] office and the Office of the Deputy Attorney General," who you now claim did not bring this information to your attention. Holder Letter, supra note 1. As a result of your failure to act on these memos sent to you, nearly 500 additional firearms were purchased under Fast and Furious.

The facts simply do not support any claim that Fast and Furious did not reach the highest levels of the Justice Department. Actually, Fast and Furious did reach the ultimate authority in the Department – you.

Your May 3, 2011 Statement

On May 3, 2011, I asked you directly when you first knew about the operation known as Fast and Furious. You responded directly, and to the point, that you weren't "sure of the exact date, but [you] probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks." This statement, made before Congress, has proven to be patently untrue. Documents released by the Department just last week showed that you received at least seven memos about Fast and Furious starting as early as July 2010.

In your letter Friday, you blamed your staff for failing to inform you about Operation Fast and Furious when they reviewed the memos sent to you last summer. Your staff, therefore, was certainly aware of Fast and Furious over a year ago. Lanny Breuer was aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010, and Gary Grindler was also aware of Fast and Furious as early as March 2010. Given this frequency of high level involvement with Fast and Furious as much as a year prior to your May 3, 2011 testimony, it simply is not believable that you were not briefed on Fast and Furious until a few weeks before your testimony. At the very least, you should have known about Fast and Furious well before then. The current paper trail, which will only grow more robust as additional documents are discovered, creates the strong perception that your statement in front of Congress was less than truthful.

The February 4, 2011 Letter

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this intransigence is that the Department of Justice has been lying to Congress ever since the inquiry into Fast and Furious began. On February 4, 2011, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich wrote that "ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transport into Mexico." This letter, vetted by both the senior ranks of ATF as well as the Office of the Deputy Attorney General, is a flat-out lie.

As we understand it, in March 2010, top deputies to Lanny Breuer were informed that law enforcement officers intercepted calls that demonstrated that Manuel Celis-Acosta was conspiring to purchase and transport firearms for the purpose of trafficking the firearms from the United States into Mexico. Not only was ATF aware of this information, but so was the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This information was shared with the Criminal Division. All of these organizations are components of the Department of Justice, and they were all aware of the illegal purchase of firearms and their eventual transportation into Mexico.

These firearms were not interdicted. They were not stopped. Your agents allowed these firearms purchases to continue, sometimes even monitoring them in person, and within days some of these weapons were being recovered in Mexico. Despite widespread knowledge within its senior ranks that this practice was occurring, when asked on numerous occasions about the veracity of this letter, the Department has shockingly continued to stand by its false statement of February 4, 2011.

Mr. Attorney General, you have made numerous statements about Fast and Furious that have eventually been proven to be untrue. Your lack of trustworthiness while speaking about Fast and Furious has called into question your overall credibility as Attorney General. The time for deflecting blame and obstructing our investigation is over. The time has come for you to come clean to the American public about what you knew about Fast and Furious, when you knew it, and who is going to be held accountable for failing to shut down a program that has already had deadly consequences, and will likely cause more casualties for years to come.

Operation Fast and Furious was the Department's most significant gun trafficking case. It related to two of your major initiatives – destroying the Mexican cartels and reducing gun violence on both sides of the border. On your watch, it went spectacularly wrong. Whether you realize yet or not, you own Fast and Furious. It is your responsibility.

Sincerely,

Darrell Issa

Chairman

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 11 2011,5:36 pm
Gunwalker: Issa Reveals Drug Enforcement Administration Involvement
"It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF."

It was a brutal weekend for the Obama administration: Gunwalker continued unraveling at a faster pace, with new developments suggesting that Attorney General Eric Holder may not be the only Obama appointee destined for a political fall and possible criminal charges.

In an interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News Sunday, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa revealed for the first time that the Drug Enforcement Administration was far more involved in running the operation than the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives:

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It wasn’t an ATF operation. They were part of that. It was a joint operation in which DEA knew more than ATF.


This directly conflicts with prior statements by DEA Administrator Michele Leonhart — she claimed that the DEA only played a supporting role and that her DEA agents in El Paso and Phoenix were only “indirectly involved in the ATF operation through DEA-associated investigative activity.” She further absolved her agency by claiming that “DEA personnel had no decision-making role in ATF operations” associated with Fast and Furious.

The DEA’s higher-profile role will not absolve ATF personnel for their roles in carrying out the plot politically, but it could potentially make a difference in future criminal proceedings if ATF agents on the front lines of the operation thought they were participating in a legitimate law enforcement operation.

Unfortunately for the Department of Justice, the higher level of collusion between different federal law enforcement agencies that report to the attorney general make it even more unlikely that Eric Holder and other senior DOJ personnel were unaware of the real goal of the operation.

Issa’s committee is in the process of preparing subpoenas for members of the Obama administration to try to find out who authorized the operation, and to ask why they have not been forthcoming if they believed the operations to be legal:

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Why are they denying knowing about something that they were briefed on? … Exactly when, the American people want to know, how did it happen?


Issa also revealed for the first time the magnitude of the largest individual gunwalking incidents, noting that one effort involved the shipment of 700 guns to the Sinaloa cartel.

Issa < continued: >

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This is about Justice Department knowing, and this is where the American people have a right to know more, knowing that these guns were deliberately intended to end up in the hands of the drug cartels without any kind of traceability, except if you find a gun in the scene of the crime. That is the reason that it is felony and stupid — and I use the word “felony” deliberately — program.


A massive stockpile containing dozens of Operation Fast and Furious weapons was recovered in Mexico at an arsenal hidden in the Ciudad Juarez home of Sinaloa cartel enforcer Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo. The raid occurred on April 30; the revelation that 40 of the guns were from the gunwalking plot constitutes breaking news — and confirmation that the plot worked as designed.

Source: < http://pajamasmedia.com/blog...lvement >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 11 2011,5:38 pm
Files: ATF knew gun sales were a problem
In '07 operation, it pressed informant to get firearms south, beyond scrutiny

Tucson ATF agents knew their informant was selling guns intended for criminals in Mexico, and they realized it was problematic, yet they pushed him to make the guns move south.

Those details emerge from a 594-page journal kept by the paid informant, Tucson firearms dealer Mike Detty, and emails between Detty, Justice Department lawyers and ATF agents. The Star reviewed the documents relating to Operation Wide Receiver last week, but about half the journal's pages were blacked out by officials.

A comment made by an ATF agent April 3, 2007 - and written down by Detty in his journal - made clear the fix the agents were in. As Detty discussed a future gun purchase by a man buying weapons for mafias in Mexico, one agent said:

"We're getting a lot of heat so this will probably be his last purchase. We just can't keep letting these guns go to Mexico with impunity," Detty quoted the agent as saying.

The operation lasted for much of the rest of 2007, but the idea resumed in a more widespread way when Operation Fast and Furious began in Phoenix in November 2009. Fast and Furious came to public attention after U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered near Rio Rico Dec. 14, and two of the guns at the scene were discovered to have been sold as part of the ATF operation.

In an interview, Detty said he was told at the beginning of his work as a paid informant that ATF agents were working with Mexican officials who could track or seize the weapons he sold. That turned out not to be true, Detty said - and that may have delayed the prosecution of the nine people eventually charged.

Detty wrote in a Sept. 22 email to the current Justice Department prosecutor, Washington D.C.-based Laura Gwinn: "I spoke with the first AUSA (federal prosecutor) that was on Wide Receiver. He told me the reason he chose not to prosecute it was because ATF lied to him and said the guns were being followed/interdicted on the other side of the border. This is also what they had told me."

Detty, who writes about guns for magazines as well as selling them, said he wrote the journal entries within a couple of days of when the meetings with buyers occurred, often in the living room of his Tucson-area home. In his journal, Detty repeatedly urged the buyers - young Tucson men with connections in Caborca, Sonora, Tijuana or Sinaloa - to move the guns across the border fast.

"The best way for all of us to stay out of trouble is for these guns to go to Mexico as quickly as possible," Detty told a buyer on April 11, 2007, his journal shows. "Once they're in Mexico, it's no longer a problem for me, but if they stay here a week or longer and somebody finds them, then it comes back to me because of the serial numbers on the gun."

In an interview Friday, Detty said he pushed the buyers to move the guns south fast at the request of his ATF handlers, who otherwise had to conduct labor-intensive surveillance.

"The sooner they (smugglers) got them loaded and got them to Mexico, the less time they (agents) would have to spend on their stakeouts," Detty said Friday.

Justice Department officials did not respond to an email sent late Friday requesting comment.

Only once in the journal, which Detty says he kept so that he could write a book later, did he note that guns were seized from the criminal groups he sold them to. But in that case, the seizure was by U.S. Customs officials, not Mexican agents. Indeed, Detty now acknowledges, if Mexican officials started seizing loads of guns he sold, that would have hurt the investigation too.

"If the guns were seized, that would be the end of the investigation," he said. "If they're not seized ... the investigation is going on."

Detty has strongly criticized ATF for allowing the guns he sold into Mexico - airing his critiques on CBS News last week - but another point of friction also arises in the journal and emails: money.

Gwinn said in an email that Detty was paid $17,400 for his work as an informant in three cases. This year, the emails show, Detty became increasingly angry that ATF put him off when he asked for "rewards" sometimes given at the end of a case.

Gwinn told agents in Tucson that they should delay him until his cases were through the courts. Detty didn't like that and declined to do any more work for the prosecution, saying in an angry May 22 email, "I'd be happy to give that (informant pay) money back if you'd just leave me alone. Would you take $16,000 to have cartel (low-lifes) in your living room?"

Source: < http://azstarnet.com/news...W1hf3wt >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 12 2011,9:54 pm
Oversight Committee Subpoenas Attorney General for ‘Operation Fast and Furious’ Communications and Documents

WASHINGTON, D.C. – House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-CA) today announced the issuance of a subpoena to Attorney General Eric Holder, Jr. for Justice Department documents related to the "Operation Fast and Furious" gun walking scandal.

"Top Justice Department officials, including Attorney General Holder, know more about Operation Fast and Furious than they have publicly acknowledged," said Chairman Issa. "The documents this subpoena demands will provide answers to questions that Justice officials have tried to avoid since this investigation began eight months ago. It's time we know the whole truth."

The subpoena seeks the following:

In accordance with the attached schedule instructions, you, Eric H. Holder Jr., are required to produce all records in unredacted form described below:


   1. All communications referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious, the Jacob Chambers case, or any Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) firearms trafficking case based in Phoenix, Arizona, to or from the following individuals:

a. Eric Holder Jr., Attorney General;

b. David Ogden, Former Deputy Attorney General;

c. Gary Grindler, Office of the Attorney General and former Acting Deputy Attorney General;

d. James Cole, Deputy Attorney General;

e. Lanny Breuer, Assistant Attorney General;

f. Ronald Weich, Assistant Attorney General;

g. Kenneth Blanco, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

h. Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

i. John Keeney, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

j. Bruce Swartz, Deputy Assistant Attorney General;

k. Matt Axelrod, Associate Deputy Attorney General;

l. Ed Siskel, former Associate Deputy Attorney General;

m. Brad Smith, Office of the Deputy Attorney General;

n. Kevin Carwile, Section Chief, Capital Case Unit, Criminal Division;

o. Joseph Cooley, Criminal Fraud Section, Criminal Division; and,

p. James Trusty, Acting Chief, Organized Crime and Gang Section.

2. All communications between and among Department of Justice (DOJ) employees and Executive Office of the President employees, including but not limited to Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any other firearms trafficking cases.

3. All communications between DOJ employees and Executive Office of the President employees referring or relating to the President's March 22, 2011 interview with Jorge Ramos of Univision.

4. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) failed to interdict weapons that had been illegally purchased or transferred.

5. All documents and communications referring or relating to any instances prior to February 4, 2011 where ATF broke off surveillance of weapons and subsequently became aware that those weapons entered Mexico.

6. All documents and communications referring or relating to the murder of Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Agent Jaime Zapata, including but not limited to documents and communications regarding Zapata's mission when he was murdered, Form for Reporting Information That May Become Testimony (FD-302), photographs of the crime scene, and investigative reports prepared by the FBI.

7. All communications to or from William Newell, former Special Agent-in-Charge for ATF's Phoenix Field Division, between:

a. December 14, 2010 to January 25, 2011; and,

b. March 16, 2009 to March 19, 2009.

8. All Reports of Investigation (ROIs) related to Operation Fast and Furious or ATF Case Number 785115-10-0004.

9. All communications between and among Matt Axelrod, Kenneth Melson, and William Hoover referring or relating to ROIs identified pursuant to Paragraph 7.

10. All documents and communications between and among former U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke, Attorney General Eric Holder Jr., former Acting Deputy Attorney General Gary Grindler, Deputy Attorney General James Cole, Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, and Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any OCDETF case originating in Arizona.

11. All communications sent or received between:

a. December 16, 2009 and December 18, 2009, and;

b. March 9, 2011 and March 14, 2011, to or from the following individuals:

               + Emory Hurley, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;
               + Michael Morrissey, Assistant U.S. Attorney, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;
               + Patrick Cunningham, Chief, Criminal Division, Office of the U.S. Attorney for the District of Arizona;
               + David Voth, Group Supervisor, ATF; and,
               + Hope MacAllister, Special Agent, ATF.

12. All communications sent or received between December 15, 2010 and December 17, 2010 to or from the following individuals in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Arizona:

a. Dennis Burke, former United States Attorney;

b. Emory Hurley, Assistant United States Attorney;

c. Michael Morrissey, Assistant United States Attorney; and,

d. Patrick Cunningham, Chief of the Criminal Division.

13. All communications sent or received between August 7, 2009 and March 19, 2011 between and among former Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual; Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer; and, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Bruce Swartz.

14. All communications sent or received between August 7, 2009 and March 19, 2011 between and among former Ambassador to Mexico Carlos Pascual and any Department of Justice employee based in Mexico City referring or relating to firearms trafficking initiatives, Operation Fast and Furious or any firearms trafficking case based in Arizona, or any visits by Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer to Mexico.

15. Any FD-302 relating to targets, suspects, defendants, or their associates, bosses, or financiers in the Fast and Furious investigation, including but not limited to any FD-302s ATF Special Agent Hope MacAllister provided to ATF leadership during the calendar year 2011.

16. Any investigative reports prepared by the FBI or Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) referring or relating to targets, suspects, or defendants in the Fast and Furious case.

17. Any investigative reports prepared by the FBI or DEA relating to the individuals described to Committee staff at the October 5, 2011 briefing at Justice Department headquarters as Target Number 1 and Target Number 2.

18. All documents and communications in the possession, custody or control of the DEA referring or relating to Manuel Fabian Celis-Acosta.

19. All documents and communications between and among FBI employees in Arizona and the FBI Laboratory, including but not limited to employees in the Firearms/Toolmark Unit, referring or relating to the firearms recovered during the course of the investigation of Brian Terry's death.

20. All agendas, meeting notes, meeting minutes, and follow-up reports for the Attorney General's Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys between March 1, 2009 and July 31, 2011, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious.

21. All weekly reports and memoranda for the Attorney General, either directly or through the Deputy Attorney General, from any employee in the Criminal Division, ATF, DEA, FBI, or the National Drug Intelligence Center created between November 1, 2009 and September 30, 2011.

22. All surveillance tapes recorded by pole cameras inside the Lone Wolf Trading Co. store between 12:00 a.m. on October 3, 2010 and 12:00 a.m. on October 7, 2010.

source: < http://oversight.house.gov/index.p...tements >

Posted by Self-Banished on Oct. 13 2011,5:45 pm
What do you think GD?
Massive "I need to spend more time with my familt resignations " by Thanksgiving???

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 13 2011,6:40 pm
I think Holder should be held accountable, he is after all the head of the DOJ and knew what was going on. and should he be found guilty, should spend the rest of his life behind bars along with all those who were complicit.

After all they are accessory to murder of a Border Patrol Officer.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 14 2011,10:52 am
QUOTE
I think Holder should be held accountable, he is after all the head of the DOJ and knew what was going on.
 Then what about Obama?  He must have known about it even before Holder found out "just a few weeks ago" when he made the statement May 3rd.



There is something rotten in the state of Denmark.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,12:23 pm
I agree that he did know about it before Holder, after all he did tell that Brady whore about working on gun control under the radar, and I am sure gunwalker was just the cusp of it.

barry by all accounts should be impeached, but as we know they will circle the wagon and insulated this POS just to make sure he doesn't get flushed and make others take the fall.

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2011,12:42 pm
Obviously the shrub must have been working on gun control too, considering the program was originally a Bush program. :crazy:
Maybe you'd like to see them sharing a cell with Bush and Gonzales?

Bigger than Watergate? :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,1:06 pm
I'd like to see bush in prison as well.
Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 14 2011,3:46 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 14 2011,12:42 pm)
QUOTE
Obviously the shrub must have been working on gun control too, considering the program was originally a Bush program. :crazy:
Maybe you'd like to see them sharing a cell with Bush and Gonzales?

Bigger than Watergate? :rofl:

At this point it isn't obvious that Bush was involved in an attempt at gun control, but in the original or birth of the operation.  It's clear he was knowledgeable of Operation Wide Receiver or maybe Fast and Furious as well.

All reports indicate the operation originally was suppose to trace guns to Mexico.  At least that's what the Obama Administration is trying to tell us.  Thus at this point I'd say that Bush was involved with walking guns to Mexico to trace weapons into Mexico.  Perhaps he should be subpoenaed as well.

Bigger than Watergate?  That's a no-brainer.  The scope of this fiasco is far greater.

How many federal departments were involved in either the operation or subsequent coverup of Watergate?

How many people were directly affected negatively by Watergate?

How much illegal contraband was smuggled across the border to supply illegal drugs to Americans because of Watergate?

How many people were murdered from Watergate?

How many people were killed because of Watergate years after the break-in? (assuming these guns will kill for years to come.)

How many innocent people were dragged or accused of wrong-doing with Watergate?

How was Watergate a direct attempt to undermine the Constitution and attempt to hamper your constitutional rights?

Bigger than Watergate?  :rofl:   Yep, it is.

Posted by MADDOG on Oct. 14 2011,5:07 pm
It is good to see that someone in the WH is part of this investigation though.  Eric Schult woke up this morning with one of the subpeonas on his doorstep.

Eric Schultz was put in his position as an aide to Obama just for the purpose of deflecting all incoming flack from this investigation.  When the fish start flopping it will be interesting to see if gums flap too.  

Did the DOJ act on it's own or was there someone in the WH administration who was leading the DOJ?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,5:32 pm
Another thing that was forgotten to be mentioned about watergate vs fast and furious, is that no one was killed during watergate.  As it stands, it can be argued that the president and the doj are accessories to murder.
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,5:39 pm
More one what Maddog was posting about.

Issa subpoenas WH aide in Fast & Furious probe

Last week, CBS News reporter Sharyl Attkisson revealed that an Obama administration spokesman screamed and cursed at her in an attempt to get her to back off of the Operation Fast and Furious scandal.  Roll Call’s Jonathan Strong reports this morning that Schultz just found a subpoena on his doorstep along with Eric Holder and host of other figures, but Schultz’ position in the White House itself makes him unique:

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   House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) made headlines this week byissuing a subpoena for documents from Attorney General Eric Holderabout a botched weapons investigation, but Holder is apparently not Issa’s only target.

   A little-noticed provision of the subpoena targets the White House, specifically naming Eric Schultz, a communications aide who was hired in May to respond to media inquiries on oversight matters. …

   The subpoena also requires Holder to produce “all communications between and among Department of Justice (DOJ) employees and Executive Office of the President employees, including but not limited to Associate Communications Director Eric Schultz, referring or relating to Operation Fast and Furious or any other firearms trafficking cases.”


Strong’s source on the Oversight Committee says that the subpoena for Schultz came from suspicions that the White House was directing the DoJ’s resistance to document requests.  Issa himself told Strong that the committee knew that communications flowed between Schultz and F&F officials, but had been told they were of a personal nature.  The committee isn’t taking that at face value:

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   “The question is whether the White House has been instructing the Justice Department on what [documents] to release,” the source said.

   The source added that recent allegations by a CBS reporter that Schultz yelled at her over her coverage of Fast and Furious in part prompted Issa’s questions on the matter, but the source maintained that the inquiry is unrelated to Schultz’s communications with reporters.


Really?  Well, perhaps, but I suspect that the committee might be interested in any e-mails that instructed Schultz to start intimidating reporters who have looked into F&F as well.  Let’s revisit Attkisson’s recollection of her treatment by administration flacks:

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   Laura: So they were literally screaming at you?

   Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me.

   Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?

   Attkisson: Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House.” …

   And I’m certainly not the one to make the case for DOJ and White House about what I’m doing wrong. They will tell you that I’m the only reporter–as they told me–that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I’m the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I’m unfair and biased by pursuing it.


Since Schultz was brought into the White House strictly for the purpose of dealing with Issa and the Oversight Committee, this is a rather interesting and aggressive tactic. Unlike the DoJ internal correspondence, the White House could have a case for executive privilege on internal communications involving Schultz on discussions related to Fast and Furious, but it would be political dynamite to make that claim. If Obama demands to keep those communications secret, the obvious implication will be that Schultz was ordered to intimidate Attkisson into backing down, which isn’t a crime in itself but is a stinkbomb in the middle of the Hope and Change campaign. Plus, people will naturally ask themselves why the White House wanted to intimidate reporters into silence if they did nothing wrong in F&F.

Heck, that might even wake up the “reasonable” folks at the Washington Post and New York Times.

source: < http://hotair.com/archive...omments >

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2011,7:48 pm
QUOTE

Bigger than Watergate?  That's a no-brainer.  The scope of this fiasco is far greater.

What fiasco? You're basing this on your right wing conspiracy theory. I'd say it's bigger than the Able Danger, Obama's a Muslim, Obama's got no birth certificate, and Obama is not legally President because he's not a "natural born" citizen conspiracy theories.

QUOTE

How many federal departments were involved in either the operation or subsequent coverup of Watergate?

What coverup, have you been huffing again?

QUOTE

How many people were directly affected negatively by Watergate?

How many were effected by the Bush Wide Receiver program?

QUOTE

How much illegal contraband was smuggled across the border to supply illegal drugs to Americans because of Watergate?

You're blaming drugs on guns being brought into Mexico?

QUOTE

How many people were murdered from Watergate?

Guns don't kill, people do. :dunce:

QUOTE

How many people were killed because of Watergate years after the break-in? (assuming these guns will kill for years to come.)

Once again, guns don't kill people... :dunce:

QUOTE

How many innocent people were dragged or accused of wrong-doing with Watergate?

You kooks on the right have been dragging any democrat you can think of into this, and you've got no proof they've been involved in anything. :crazy:

QUOTE

How was Watergate a direct attempt to undermine the Constitution and attempt to hamper your constitutional rights?

You people are truly insane. If your conspiracy theory is true and this was an attempt to hamper your constitutional right then it was done by Bush in the Wide Receiver program first, so he must have had the same thing in mind.

QUOTE

Bigger than Watergate?  :rofl:   Yep, it is.

Only if you're from Iowa, or a heavy user of inhalants.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,8:29 pm
Still stuck on stupid, eh Lib.  Still insist that this is a conspiracy theory?  Hmmm, guess those subpoenas were fake as well.

Of course this is a cover up, even some ATF agents have said those in upper levels are scrambling to clear out the 5th floor of any evidence and rearrange people to other positions or force them into early retirement.   And it is just not the ATF involved, there is also the DEA and FBI that are involved in this illegal operation.

There is so far 18 pages of this, how about you prove it didn't happen.

Posted by Common Citizen on Oct. 14 2011,9:23 pm

(Liberal @ Oct. 14 2011,12:42 pm)
QUOTE
Obviously the shrub must have been working on gun control too, considering the program was originally a Bush program. :crazy:
Maybe you'd like to see them sharing a cell with Bush and Gonzales?

Bigger than Watergate? :rofl:

Are you really sticking with the "It's Bush's fault" defense?  You truly have IBF syndrome?  I think even Obama gave up on that.  Maybe you didn't get the Donk memo... :rofl:

Posted by Liberal on Oct. 14 2011,11:16 pm
QUOTE

Still stuck on stupid, eh Lib.  Still insist that this is a conspiracy theory?  Hmmm, guess those subpoenas were fake as well.

You're the one that thinks a subpoena is some indication of guilt, and you say I'm stuck on stupid. :dunce: Issa is a partisan clown, and you wonder why the real media hasn't given him any attention?

QUOTE

There is so far 18 pages of this, how about you prove it didn't happen.

18 pages of crap gleaned from right wing websites is hardly proof of anything. :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Oct. 14 2011,11:38 pm
I never said a subpoena was an admission of guilt.  And Issa isn't the only one on the hill that is issuing subpoenas over this.  

CBS is hardly right wing, and has been reporting on this.  But thats right if it isn't on msnbc, it must not be true.

And I have said before, even ATF agents have spoken out against this.  Sad really, that you refuse to see what is going on.  But its ok really, it is.  I understand you are die hard and fanatical till the end to this administration and you trust them fully with your life and can NEVER do anything wrong.

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 07 2011,3:29 pm


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FIRE HOLDER
202-456-1414

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 17 2011,5:41 pm
Letter from an ATF agent in Mexico (why we have ATF in Mexico is beyond me, but whatever)

Posted 09 December 2011 – 11:47 AM

An Open Letter to Attorney General Holder

Dear AG Holder:

From deep inside Mexico, thanks to streaming video, I was able to watch and listen to the entire House Judiciary Committee hearing. I’m a registered
Independent – not Republican and not Democrat, so this is a non-partisan commentary. As I write this, my life, and the lives of my family members are more
at risk becase of the reckless actions of you and your ATF buddies allowing, facilitating and even paying for firearms to be smuggled into Mexico for
criminals.

Wow! You really made points with us when you refused to acknowledge you were under oath.

How many times did you answer “I don’t know”? You must be the most “know nothing” Attorney General in history.
Funny, you had the answers for all the other issues brought up during the hearing…..

You said those who created “Fast & Furious” will be held accountable, but you still don’t know who did it and no one will be fired? You have to consider
their overall service to the department???? Do you consider their overall service for any other crime?

It’s been nearly a year since you assigned the investigation of Fast & Furious to the DOJ IG, although not in writing. Interesting. So, the DOJ is
investigating itself? How long does it take for the IG to investigate? Is this the same IG that cooked up the false $16 muffin story? Is this the same IG
that took (as gospel) ATF’s word that 90% of the guns recovered in Mexico and traced came from the U.S. – statistics later discredited – by ATF themselves?

We watched and listened as you and your Democrat sycophants on the Committee parroted the same tired scripted mantra praising you for advancing gun control
and begging for more gun regulations and more ATF funding. The same old figures were quoted about how many guns were traced from Mexico. Did your figures
include all the duplicate traces from Mexico? All the.22 rabbit rifles and farmer’s shotguns that Mexico traced? Did they include 100 year old guns used by Pancho Villa? Did you explain that the average age of those guns traced from Mexico is over 14 years? ATF calls that “time to crime”, but may have nothing to do with a crime.

Did you explain that as far back as 1992, and as recently as 2009, the Congressional Research Service warned against the use of statistics from ATF’s
tracing system? Did you also not read their warning, “The ATF tracing system is an operational system designed to help law enforcement agencies identify the
ownership path of individual firearms. It was not designed to collect statistics.”? Or did you simply ignore it?

Did you explain that the new multiple rifle regulation which you are so strongly supporting would not have stopped a single Fast & Furious gun from being
smuggled to Mexico? And won’t stop any future smuggling? And the multiple rifle purchase report requirement is so overly-broad that it includes 50 to 100 year
old rifles of interest only to collectors – which will now be reported as ‘crime guns’? What’s with that? Oh, yeah….. Those sales are now permanently ‘registered’
in ATF registration databases. Was this supposed to be “under the radar”, too?

Did you explain why your buddies at ATF are reporting personal information (name, address, height, weight, date of birth, drivers license number, etc.) of
totally innocent American gun owners to corrupt Mexican cops – through eTrace? Enough information for ID theft? These gun owners may have disposed of the guns
many years ago – but ATF still reports the original owner as a ‘suspect’ to Mexican cops. Thanks a lot. That makes me feel really good while I’m here in Mexico…..
Have you forgotten that in Mexico, you’re guilty until proven innocent?

So this is the “Most Transparent Administration” in history? Well, on that issue, that’s right. With your performance in front of the Committee, and your
obstruction of justice and obfuscation of the issues, you were completely transparent. Everyone could see right through you. And you’re refusing to release
any more documents? What could be more transparent than that? Wow!

Watching you in front of the Committee, for the first time in my life, you make me ashamed to be an American. Hell, Watergate was easier to understand….., and people didn’t die. How many people are going to be killed as a consequence of Fast & Furious?

How do I explain to my Mexican friends and associates why ATF has illegally armed Mexican criminal gangs? And no one has gone to jail, or been fired, or
suspended, or even identified…..? Isn’t that great for international relations…..

Mr. Attorney General, you will be held accountable – by the American People.

Sincerely,
(Name Withheld – still in Mexico)

Posted by Liberal on Dec. 18 2011,12:37 am
Just another right wing clown pretending to work for the ATF.  


QUOTE

We watched and listened as you and your Democrat sycophants

After he claims to be an "independent" :rofl:

Anyone reading that can tell that it's written by a right wing nut job that frequents the looney right wing sites because he mentions the fabricated "e-trace" conspiracy that claims the US is telling the "corrupt" Mexican police who is buying guns.

Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 22 2011,1:51 pm
It seems the numbers keep growing on Holder's resolution of no confidence.  Short of demanding he step down, the resolution alleges that the nation’s top law enforcement official’s actions have proven he is not “competent, trustworthy and beyond reproach,” and that he has sought to “cover up” mistakes rather than cooperate with Congress “in disclosing the events and circumstances and transparently addressing the issues.”

Of course from his comments, it's not his fault, it's because we're just, just, well you know; like when we blame Bam-Bam.  It's because he's Africa-American.
< Holder plays race card >



Holder has repeatedly lied to Congress about gun walking, Brian Terry's death and continuously stonewalled and withheld information demanded by Issa.  

Now, just how much farther is he going to go when the thumb starts squashing him to hide whether Obammer knew about OFF?  Holder, your race card died with Terry.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 06 2012,7:28 am
Grassley: New docs prove Admin knew about Fast & Furious

New documents obtained from the Justice Department Thursday prove that the administration knew that guns were being walked as part of Operation Fast and Furious, Senator Charles Grassley said in < a press release, > and then he reiterated his call for Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer to resign.

The < documents > include e-mails and copies of letters sent to Grassley by Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich, including a Feb. 4, 2011 letter that insisted that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives had never “sanctioned or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico…” That letter has been “withdrawn” because facts uncovered over the past 11 months clearly show that guns were walked, and the ATF let it happen.

QUOTE
“The documents dumped today by the Justice Department prove that this administration knew that guns were walked in Operation Wide Receiver, yet did nothing about it even as it was happening again in Fast and Furious.  I’ve said all along that walking guns is wrong, period.  I don’t care who did it.  We know that Lanny Breuer knew about guns being walked in Operation Wide Receiver, which is why he needs to do the right thing, hold himself accountable and resign.”—Sen. Charles Grassley


Some of those documents are familiar as they have been previously discussed by this column, but together they suggest that Justice Department officials, including Breuer, knew far more about Fast and Furious than they had previously indicated.

Some of the e-mails suggest that those officials understood that revealing details of the operation would embarrass the ATF.

In one poorly punctuated message dated April 12, 2010 from Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason M. Weinstein to two colleagues, Kevin Carwile and James Trusty, he wrote:

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   Been thinking more about "Wide Receiver I." ATF HO should/will be embarrassed that they let this many  guns walk Im stunned based on what weve had to do to make sure not even single operable weapon walked in UC operations Ive  been involved in planning and there will be press about that In addition this diary that casts aspersions on one of the  agents is challenge for the case but also something that is likely to embarrass ATF publicly For those reasons think  we need to make sure we go over these issues with our front office and with Billy Hoover before we charge the case Of  course we should still go forward but we owe it to ATF HQ to preview these issues before anything gets filed.

   Im not suggesting we need to send the memo further up the chain it would take you or me really long time to convert what Laura wrote into something we could send to Lanny but we should schedule time to brief Lanny and Mythili on the case next week end of the week bc he testifies on Wed and is jammed up before then and then to brief Billy after that.


Nine days later, on April 19, Carwile and Trusty exchanged messages. First, Carwile asked Trusty how his meeting with Breuer went. Here is Trusty’s reply:

QUOTE
Went fine. You know how he is. Wants us to meet with Ken and Billy at some point so they know the bad stuff that could come out. I’m going to come in late tomorrow – probably near noon – work from home in the am and then work til around 6.


Then, on April 30, Weinstein sent an e-mail to Breuer at 7:03 p.m. that noted:

QUOTE
As you’ll recall from Jim’s briefing, ATF let a bunch of guns walk in effort to get upstream conspirators but only got straws, and didn’t recover many guns. Some were recovered in MX after being used in crimes. Billy, Jim, Laura, Alisa and I all think the best way to announce the case without highlighting the negative part of the story and risking embarrassing ATF is as part of Deliverance.


< This column > reported earlier Thursday that there has been some activity at ATF involving Hoover and two other ATF officials, Mark Chait and William McMahon. All three were involved in the Fast and Furious chain of events. There is some speculation that action is imminent so that it occurs prior to the scheduled Feb. 2 hearing of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform at which Attorney General Eric Holder is scheduled to testify about Fast and Furious.

Sources close to the investigation suggest also that the Obama administration wants this controversy to disappear before the presidential campaign shifts into high gear. That is not likely to happen, however, since Fast and Furious has already become a campaign issue.

There are also questions arising about the lack of attention being paid to this by mainstream press, outside of CBS and Fox News, and an occasional story in the Los Angeles Times.

One observer told this column late Thursday: “You know, if this had happened while John Ashcroft was the attorney general, every press briefing, every opportunity to catch him for a question; the Justice Department press corps would be all over this.”

But Ashcroft, a conservative Republican is not the attorney general. Liberal Democrat Eric Holder fills that post now, and his approach, say various sources, seems arrogant, as though he — and the administration — are going to “skate” around this, and they know it.

Source < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...furious >

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 06 2012,10:13 am
Blah, blah, blah. Any day now you republitards are going to get Holder to resign. :rofl:
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 23 2012,12:11 pm
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The chief of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Arizona has cited his Fifth Amendment rights against self-incrimination in refusing on Friday to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee in its ongoing investigation into the failed “Fast and Furious” gunrunning operation.

Rep. Darrell Issa, California Republican and committee chairman, said the prosecutor, Patrick J. Cunningham, had been subpoenaed by the committee to testify on Tuesday but his attorney notified the panel that Mr. Cunningham intended to exercise his right not to incriminate himself at his scheduled deposition.

“The assertion of the Fifth Amendment by a senior Justice official is a significant indictment of the department’s integrity in Operation Fast and Furious,” Mr. Issa said. “The former head of the [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives] has previously told the committee that the Justice Department is managing its response to Operation Fast and Furious in a manner designed to protect its political appointees.

“This is the first time anyone has asserted their Fifth Amendment right in this investigation and heightens concerns that the Justice Department’s motivation for refusing to hand over subpoenaed materials is a desire to shield responsible officials from criminal charges and other embarrassment,” he said.

Mr. Issa described Mr. Cunningham’s response to the subpoena as “extremely rare,” adding that “even more alarming” was how broad Mr. Cunningham had intended to rely on the Fifth Amendment. He said the prosecutor’s lawyer, Tobin J. Romero, informed the committee that the only information Mr. Cunningham would provide was his name and title at the Justice Department.

“Coming a year after revelations about reckless conduct in Operation Fast and Furious were first brought to light, the assertion of the Fifth Amendment also raises questions about whether President Obama and Attorney General [Eric H.] Holder have made a serious and adequate response to allegations raised by whistleblowers,” Mr. Issa said.

“Did Attorney General Holder really not know a senior Justice Department official fears criminal prosecution or is this just another example of him hiding important facts?” he said. “The committee will continue to demand answers.”

In a letter to the committee, Mr. Romero wrote: “As a professional courtesy, and to avoid needless preparation by the committee and its staff for a deposition next week, I am writing to advise you that my client is going to assert his constitutional privilege not to be compelled to be a witness against himself. The Supreme Court has held that ‘one of the basic functions of the privilege is to protect innocent.’

“My client is, in fact, innocent, but he has been ensnared by the unfortunate circumstances in which he now stands between two branches of government. I will therefore be instructing him to assert his constitutional privilege,” Mr. Romero wrote.

Mr. Issa said the “only legally valid reason” for asserting the Fifth Amendment was fear that testimony could aid one’s own criminal prosecution. He said in his response to the committee, Mr. Cunningham’s attorney rejected assertions made by other senior Justice Department officials in Washington that his client held key responsibility for reckless tactics in Fast and Furious and false information provided to Congress.

Mr. Cunningham, who will leave his post on Jan. 27 for a private sector job, has been chief of the criminal division in the U.S. Attorney's Office in Phoenix for the past two years. A former assistant U.S. attorney in the Organized Crime and Drug Enforcement Task Force in Arizona, Mr. Cunningham supervises federal criminal prosecutions, victim and witness services and asset forfeitures in Phoenix, northern Arizona and the Yuma section of the Arizona-Mexico border.

He had refused on several occasions to testify voluntarily before the committee about his role in the Fast and Furious operation. The committee was seeking information on what he knew about the operation and whether he approved any of the tactics used in it.

 
QUOTE
Mr. Obama and Mr. Holder have denied any responsibility for the botched Fast and Furious operation.

< full story >

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 23 2012,3:01 pm
Issa is a partisan clowns that nobody takes seriously. How much time has he wasted on Bush' Operation Wide receiver?  :dunce:

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..._probes >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 24 2012,1:42 am
It all boils down to NONE of these type of operations should ever be allowed.  They are dumb, stupid, a total waste of taxpayers money, hardly ever produce any tangible results or arrests and do nothing but harass and put FFLs into difficult positions.  The whole NFA and GCA of '68 should all be repealed, they are UNCONSTITUTIONAL anyways.

Any ways here is another stupid ATF operation known as White Gun.
< http://www.latimes.com/news...1.story >

Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 24 2012,7:05 am
So who do you suppose Cunningham is set up to protect by pleading the fifth from this partisan clown?  Himself or in reality someone else?
Posted by Liberal on Jan. 24 2012,7:35 am
Who is he protecting by pleading the 5th? Have you read the Constitution? :rofl:  :dunce:
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 24 2012,9:39 am
The Fifth Amendment says:
QUOTE

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous, crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service, in time of war, or public danger; nor shall any person be subject, for the same offence, to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled, in any criminal case, to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

From the straight dope:
QUOTE
You cannot be forced to testify at your own criminal trial, and the prosecution is not allowed to tell the jury that your lack of testimony implies anything about your guilt though, of course, the jury members may well come to that conclusion on their own. Also, if you are compelled to testify at somebody else's trial, you don't have to answer questions that might incriminate you in (the)wrongdoing (the famous, "I plead the fifth" statement).
I read that as if YOU are involved in wrongdoing by or with someone else, the Fifth Amendment can be invoked to protect yourself and by doing so, you are protecting another.

In otherwords, no person "shall be compelled, in any criminal case, to be a witness against himself; nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" which disallows a prosecuting attorney from implying to a jury that bexcause of your silence, you are guilty.  Also, if you are testifying at another person's trial and you feel that your statement might also incriminate yourself, you may invoke that said priviledge.

So, is he protecting simply himself or more aptly possibly someone else while doing so?

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 24 2012,10:05 am
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taking the Fifth n. the refusal to testify on the ground that the testimony might tend to incriminate the witness in a crime, based on the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution which provides that "No person...shall be compelled to be a witness against himself," applied to state courts by the 14th Amendment. The term became famous during televised Senate committee hearings on organized crime in 1951, when a series of crime bosses "took the Fifth." (See: self-incriminantion)


Pleading the 5th protects you from self incrimination, you can't plead the 5th because you want to protect a 3rd party.

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 24 2012,10:10 am
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The privilege does not extend to the incrimination of third-parties. Nor does it extend to witnesses who have been granted immunity from prosecution, whether transactional or limited. Further, the privilege is limited to natural persons and does not extend to corporations.



< http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Incrimination_Clause >

Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 30 2012,2:58 pm
So when the Oversight Committee asks him if he gave false or misleading information to them, he states "I plead the Fifth Amendment, but if I was to answer the question truthfully, I was told to do it by...

Three choices; the fifth, the truth and incrimination.

Why is it when someone in Congress wants information or proof positive like a birth certificate, college admission records or testimony, someone in the Obama administration either digs in their heels, drags their feet or plain refuses to provide information.

< letter to Holder re:Cunningham >

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Mr. Cunningham, we have been told, will refuse to answer any questions beyond his name and position.  This is extraordinary in that the only valid reason to assert Fifth Amendment rights is fear of criminal prosecution.


< letter to Holder re:Morrissey >

Obviously, that clown Issa suspects criminal culpability on someone's part.  :dunno:

Posted by grassman on Jan. 30 2012,4:02 pm
I think if you ARE part of the criminal division of the govt., the 5th should not apply. Your ass belongs to everyone, right?
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 30 2012,4:59 pm
I hear you grassman, but that's not part of the Amendment.
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger


This isn't even a trial.  This is  an inquiry to testify to the Judiciary Committee.

Posted by Liberal on Jan. 30 2012,9:50 pm
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Why is it when someone in Congress wants information or proof positive like a birth certificate, college admission records or testimony, someone in the Obama administration either digs in their heels, drags their feet or plain refuses to provide information.

Maybe it's because the conservatives are apparently too stupid to read a valid birth certificate, so how could you expect them to read college admission records?

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So when the Oversight Committee asks him if he gave false or misleading information to them, he states "I plead the Fifth Amendment, but if I was to answer the question truthfully, I was told to do it by...

Three choices; the fifth, the truth and incrimination.


Wow, you actually seem to understand the Fifth amendment now. Did you do some reading, or did Rush Limbaugh explain it to his listeners?

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Obviously, that clown Issa suspects criminal culpability on someone's part.

Oh yeah, that clown Issa has the whole Obama administration running scared now. :rofl: :sarcasm:


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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger



This isn't even a trial.  This is  an inquiry to testify to the Judiciary Committee.

What does your right to be charged by a grand jury have to do with pleading the fifth?

Posted by Stone-Magnon on Jan. 30 2012,10:38 pm
I'm so over that freakin nigga, I've had it. I heard what he said about medical marijuana and the nigga reneged like a little bitch. I have white friends that won't even do that. Not impressed at all. Obama was a candidate, not a president. Obama wasn't the first black president, he was the first nigga president. And no one wants to pay for some other idiots healthcare. We need smaller government not more of it.  I'd vote Ron Paul in a heartbeat.
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 31 2012,9:25 am
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So when the Oversight Committee asks him if he gave false or misleading information to them, he states "I plead the Fifth Amendment, but if I was to answer the question truthfully, I was told to do it by...

Three choices; the fifth, the truth and incrimination.

Wow, you actually seem to understand the Fifth amendment now. Did you do some reading, or did Rush Limbaugh explain it to his listeners?

Maybe you don't quite understand.  When I said the fifth, the truth and incrimination I meant besides himself, who is he going to incriminate?  

Perhaps more light has been shed on this now.  
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Attorney General Eric Holder’s Department of Justice dumped documents related to Operation Fast and Furious on congressional officials late Friday night. Central to this document dump is a series of emails showing Holder was informed of slain Border Patrol agent Brian Terry’s murder on the day it happened – December 15, 2010.
< late night White House document dump >
 This proves Holder knew about it far sooner than just a few weeks like he testified last May.  This was six months prior to his testimony.  How close to perjury would you call this?

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Obviously, that clown Issa suspects criminal culpability on someone's part.
Oh yeah, that clown Issa has the whole Obama administration running scared now.
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Burke forwarded those two emails to Holder’s then-deputy chief of staff Monty Wilkinson later that morning, adding that the incident was “not good” because it happened “18 miles w/in” the border.

Wilkinson responded to Burke shortly thereafter and said the incident was “tragic.” “I’ve alerted the AG [Holder], the Acting DAG, Lisa, etc.”
dum; dum, dum.  dum!

Posted by alcitizens on Feb. 02 2012,12:09 pm
AG Holder Testifies on DOJ’s Response to Operation "Fast and Furious"
Live on C-Span

< http://www.c-span.org/Events...27861-1 >

Holder repeatedly said that he didn't know guns were walking until late January, early February 2011.. One of his agents was killed in December 2010 by a couple of guns that he didn't know were from Gun Walking..

You crackpots continue to :deadhorse:  :crazy:

Posted by Glad I Left on Feb. 08 2012,9:55 pm
(chuckle)
Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 19 2012,9:07 am
Breitbart reaching back.  :D


Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 20 2012,9:46 pm
It really is NO surprise that holder and co. are anti-2nd Amendment.  The whole various gun running ops, were nothing more than to drum up support for that POS UN Arms Treaty and or other gun control schemes such as a renewal of the assault weapon ban.

Arizona state investigators have been running some investigations into the Fast n Furious scam, and have uncovered some additional evidence, that holder has been withholding.

Most Americans realize that even though the weapons were allowed to walk into Mexico, it is NOT America's fault for the violence in Mexico.  America shares NO blame, and our hands are clean.

The drug cartels get most of their automatic weapons from their southern border and smuggled in from China, Russia, Iran and Iraq.  The whole 70% recovered weapons from the United States was pure BS.

Holder and co. needs to go, he is a clown, an accessory to murder, and a second rate attorney to begin with.

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 21 2012,9:02 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Mar. 20 2012,9:46 pm)
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Most Americans realize that even though the weapons were allowed to walk into Mexico, it is NOT America's fault for the violence in Mexico.  America shares NO blame, and our hands are clean.

The drug cartels get most of their automatic weapons from their southern border and smuggled in from China, Russia, Iran and Iraq.  The whole 70% recovered weapons from the United States was pure BS.

Holder and co. needs to go, he is a clown, an accessory to murder, and a second rate attorney to begin with.

Most Americans don't know this gun running even happened thanks to mainstreet media.

Now they're unwrapping an even bigger picture into U.S. guns in Mexico.

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Legal U.S. Gun Sales Arm Mexican Cartels

By Stephanie Rabiner, Esq. at FindLaw.com

Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:39pm EDT

Recent focus on the relationship between U.S. guns and Mexican cartels has been limited to the ATF's "Fast and the Furious." That plan had agents selling assault rifles to Mexican gun runners so that they could track high-ranking cartel members.

Though the ATF's actions are a bit questionable, there's actually a completely legal -- and perhaps more harmful -- way the U.S. is arming Mexican cartels. It's called "direct commercial sales" and it's operated by the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC).

So how is taxpayer money paying to arm drug dealers?

Under the direct commercial sales program, foreign governments can submit an application to the DDTC. When approved, they are free to purchase weapons made by private U.S. manufacturers.

In 2009 alone, U.S. manufacturers sold 18,709 guns to the Mexican military, reports CBS News. About 26% of those guns were "diverted" into the wrong hands.

This is because an estimated 150,000 Mexican soldiers have defected and now work for cartels. They take their military-issued guns with them.

Between "Fast and the Furious," the direct commercial sales program, and other channels, a significant number of U.S. guns go to Mexican cartels. Some estimate that 90% of all cartel guns seized by ATF can be traced to the U.S.

"Fast and the Furious" will likely never happen again, and gun trafficking is notoriously difficult to stop. But what can the government do about the direct commercial sales program? Can it prevent legally sold guns from being used by cartels?

The U.S. can't monitor Mexico's military and prevent defections. Thus the only way to curtail the number of U.S. guns used by Mexican cartels is to stop selling guns to Mexico. Either the State Department must choose to stop the sales, or Congress must pass a law prohibiting it. Until then, such sales will continue to occur.

Meanwhile, Mexican authorities have arrested a top figure of the Sinaloa drug cartel who has been linked to "Fast and Furious" weapons. Jose Antonio Torres Marrufo, 33, had been a top lieutenant to Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman. He was arrested last month.

< Rueters >


Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Mar. 21 2012,4:40 pm
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Most Americans don't know this gun running even happened thanks to mainstreet media.


I guess I wasn't clear.
I was referring to all of the news stories of America's lax gun laws was fueling the violence in Mexico, and that 70% of weapons recovered in Mexico could be traced back the United States.  Which obviously turned out to be a completely fabricated lie, by the left.

How about this Einstein moment of our illustrious ATF.  pfft morons.

‘The ATF sat and watched’ says Hill source about latest F&F revelation

New revelations in recent days about how a prime suspect in Operation Fast and Furious was interviewed and released in southern Arizona in 2010 – on what amounted to a flimsy promise to cooperate – brought a blistering reaction about how the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives mishandled the gun trafficking investigation that allowed an estimated 2,000 guns to be “walked” into the hands of Mexican drug cartels.

  This column reported on the revelations Monday, including a letter sent to Attorney General Eric Holder by Congressman Darrell Issa and Senator Charles Grassley, with documents attached that included a case report by ATF Special Agent Hope MacAllister. The Los Angeles Times and CBS News also covered the breaking story.

  A spokesperson for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform shared this observation via e-mail Monday evening:

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‘As we now see, the ATF sat and watched -- scrawled a note on a $10 bill and called it “tracking”.  As early as Dec. 2009, Acosta was known to law enforcement as someone who had the intent to acquire weapons for the purpose of trafficking them to Mexico. DEA notified ATF in Dec. 2009 with information they had acquired on Acosta and passed that info to the ATF. DEA has told our staff that they believed the information they passed to ATF on Acosta was sufficient for an indictment. Yet the ATF chose to wait and watch.’


The suspect, Manuel Fabian Celis-Acosta, had been stopped trying to cross the border, and authorities found a drum magazine for a rifle that was loaded with more than 70 cartridges. Celis-Acosta would later be charged in connection with Operation Fast and Furious, but not before, according to Issa and Grassley, he’d been involved in the illegal acquisition of more than 284 firearms, and that was only during the three months following the May 29, 2010 interview with MacAllister.

  Celis-Acosta was given MacAllister’s contact information, written on a $10 bill, after agreeing to cooperate with the investigation. But, as Issa and Grassley noted in their letter to Holder:

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S/A MacAllister advised Celis-Acosta that he and his associates would be released until further investigation was conducted and warned Celis-Acosta not to participate in any illegal activity unless under her direction. As of June 16, 2010 Celis-Acosta has not initiated any contact with S/A MacAllister.


These new revelations have added renewed public interest in the Fast and Furious investigation, which had been languishing over the past several weeks. This column appears to have had a lightning rod effect over the weekend, bringing Issa critics out of the woodwork. Many of those people left remarks about the congressman that have nothing to do with Fast and Furious, but did attack his integrity. It was reminiscent of an attack on Issa by the New York Times last year, perceived by many at the time to be an attempt by that anti-gun/pro-Obama administration newspaper to deflect attention away from Fast and Furious and toward the man leading the House investigation. This column discussed that situation. If that was the case, it did not work then, it will not work now.

  The House committee spokesperson also had this to say via e-mail:

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‘This May 2010 stop was yet another opportunity to apprehend Acosta, put him in jail, and most importantly, take him out of commission as a trafficker. The ATF case agent with responsibility for Fast and Furious was on the scene and allowed the trafficking network’s ringleader to leave him a free man. This new information, obtained by the Committee late last week, is further evidence that Fast and Furious, from its inception, was a reckless program that permitted guns and criminals to endanger the public.’


ssa and Grassley have given Holder until March 26 to come up with some answers. In their letter to the embattled attorney general – who is now being pressed to step down by more than 100 members of Congress – the Iowa senator and California congressman pointedly stated:

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Please provide the appropriate senior Justice Department officials to brief the Committees no later than March 26, 2012 as to why Celis-Acosta was not arrested at the time of the above –described border crossing. Additionally, please provide a detailed written explanation of why the Department has (1) failed to produce these documents pursuant to category eight of your October 12, 2011 subpoena, and (2) failed to provide notice that the Department is withholding these documents pursuant to a valid legal privilege.’


If Holder maintains his behavior pattern so far, that deadline with come and go with no satisfaction or cooperation for either Issa or Grassley. This has been leading gun rights activists to predict that Holder, and his subordinates, will never be held accountable for their involvement in Fast and Furious.

Eric Holder is garbage and needs to be jettisoned, a nice short impeachment hearing, then a really nice stay in one of our Federal Penitentiaries in general population, I am sure some other prisoner would say to him "Hey, boy, you sure got a pretty mouth" :rofl:

Continue reading on Examiner.com ‘The ATF sat and watched’ says Hill source about latest F&F revelation - Seattle gun rights | Examiner.com < http://www.examiner.com/gun-rig...n2Hoseg >

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 26 2012,1:40 pm
Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse.  Or more explosive.  
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In a shocking development in the Operation Fast and Furious investigation, documents show Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agents allowed grenade parts to walk in addition to guns.

The emails also show Obama administration officials acknowledging that they may lose track of grenades but would still be able to accomplish their original objective even if the grenades explode.
 It looks like the chain is going further up all the time.  I read that as "we won't know what happened to them until they kill people."

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In the 2009 internal ATF email, Obama administration officials admitted they believed Kingery was “trafficking them into Mexico.”

The 2009 email shows the ATF officials had then become aware of Kingery’s alleged grenade trafficking.

The administration officials then put together a plan: They secretly intercepted Kingery’s grenade parts after he ordered them online, marked them with special paint and gave them back to him. Then, they allowed him to take those grenade parts into Mexico. ATF was going to try to find his weapons factory there — even though the U.S. government and its federal law enforcement agencies have no jurisdiction in Mexico

ATF agents had planned to work with Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials — who, unlike ATF agents who ultimately report to Attorney General Eric Holder, report up the chain to Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano.
 So now both the justice department and homeland security are up to their nuts in arms corruption.

How could anyone make someone beieve that Obama knew nothing about any of this?

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The emails show ATF agents were aware they might lose track of Kingery while they allowed him to transport the grenade parts into Mexico. The emails also show ATF agents knew that the grenades could end up exploding and killing innocent people if they proceeded with the plan. That didn’t stop the Obama administration’s ATF from allowing the grenades to walk.
 Boom!  Let's see where the grenades blow up, then worry about how they got there.

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“Even in a post blast, as long as the safety lever is recovered we will be able to identify these tagged grenades,” an official wrote in one email.

In addition to those revelations, new evidence photos have emerged: More than 2,000 rounds of ammunition and scores of grenade parts and fuse assemblies are seen in evidence photos that were just turned over to Congress. According to Attkisson’s report, officials had taken Kingery into custody in 2010 — long before Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered with a Fast and Furious-supplied gun — after having caught him trying to transport that ammunition and those grenade parts and fuse assemblies into Mexico hidden inside the spare tire of the SUV he was travelling in.

Attkisson said that ATF agents questioned Kingery at that point but then “inexplicably released” him.

Internally, some in the ATF objected to these practices. For instance, ATF’s Mexico attaché, Carlos Canino — who has cooperated with congressional investigators and appeared willingly before the House Oversight Committee last summer — said ATF was not supposed to allow weapons, including grenades, to walk.

“We are forbidden from doing that type of activity,” Canino wrote in one email. “If ICE is telling you they can do that, they are full of crap.”

This news comes on the heels of Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich’s decision to resign his post at the Department of Justice soon. The University of Baltimore School of Law hired him as its new dean and he starts in July. Weich was the DOJ official who provided provably false information to Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa when Grassley began investigating Fast and Furious.

On Feb. 4, 2011, Weich wrote to Congress that the idea that “ATF ‘sanctioned’ or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons to a straw purchaser who then transported them into Mexico … is false.”

“ATF makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico,” Weich added in that letter.

The DOJ has since retracted Weich’s letter.

Not one government official has been held accountable for Operation Fast and Furious. Scores of lawmakers — 125 House members, three U.S. senators, two governors — and many major political figures, including likely Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney, have demanded Holder’s resignation or firing over Fast and Furious.



Read more: < ]http://dailycaller.com/2012...] >

Last chance for Bam-Bam tjo get in front of the TV and tell America, "I'm not a crook."

Posted by grassman on Apr. 26 2012,3:44 pm
But I thought the Obama administration was trying to take our guns away, not sell them. :;):
Posted by Liberal on Apr. 26 2012,4:53 pm
Grenade parts are not grenades.

"The prosecutors -- already the target of controversy for overseeing "Fast and Furious," wouldn't comment on the grenades case. U.S. Attorney Dennis Burke recently resigned and his assistant, Emory Hurley, has been transferred. Sources say Hurley is the one who let Kingery go, saying grenade parts are "novelty items" and the case "lacked jury appeal."

I wonder why the mainstream media doesn't report on this heinous crime?

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 26 2012,5:17 pm
Say, you just might be smarter than the average bear.

Many say it has been nothing more than a low life, back door way for the Bam-Bam administration to convince the public we need stricter gun control laws.  Obama said "We need more regulation."  Holder even admitted his desire at one point and still contends that more regulation is a top priority.

Posted by MADDOG on Apr. 26 2012,5:26 pm

(Liberal @ Apr. 26 2012,4:53 pm)
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I wonder why the mainstream media doesn't report on this heinous crime?

They did.

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The emails also show Obama administration officials acknowledging that they may lose track of grenades but would still be able to accomplish their original objective even if the grenades explode.

According to an internal email that was provided to Congress by the Department of Justice and first reported by CBS News’ Sharyl Attkisson — who’s been the media’s most dogged reporter in tracking down facts on Fast and Furious – ATF began watching accused smuggler Jean Baptiste Kingery’s AK-47 purchases in 2004. In the 2009 internal ATF email, Obama administration officials admitted they believed Kingery was “trafficking them into Mexico.”


Posted by MADDOG on May 03 2012,2:32 pm
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M E M O R A N D U M
To: Members, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform
From: Darrell Issa, Chairman
Date: May 3, 2012
Re: Update on Operation Fast and Furious

Since February 2011, the House Oversight and Government and Government Reform Committee
has been conducting a joint investigation with Senate Judiciary Committee Ranking Member
Chuck Grassley (R-IA) of reckless conduct in the Justice Department’s Operation Fast and
Furious. The committee has held three hearings, conducted twenty-four transcribed interviews
with fact witnesses, sent the Department of Justice over fifty letters, and issued the Department
of Justice two subpoenas for documents. The Justice Department, however, continues to
withhold documents critical to understanding decision making and responsibility in Operation
Fast and Furious.
This memo explains key events and facts in Operation Fast and Furious that have been
uncovered during the congressional investigation; remaining questions that the Justice
Department refused to cooperate in helping the Committee answer; the ongoing relevance of
these questions; and the extent of the harm created by both Operation Fast and Furious and the
Department’s refusal to fully cooperate. The memo also explains issues for Committee Members
to consider in making a decision about holding Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of
Congress for his Department’s refusal to provide subpoenaed documents.
Attached to this memo for review and discussion is a draft version of a contempt report that the
Committee may consider at an upcoming business meeting.
< Holder contempt >

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 07 2012,12:53 pm
"I don't know" and "I don't remember" were answers Holder gave the House Judiciary Committee today when questioned.  
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Attorney General Eric Holder appeared to frustrate House GOP lawmakers Thursday when questioned about which high-ranking Obama administration officials knew about an ill-conceived tactic in the Justice Department's "Fast and Furious" weapons sting.

In a tense exchange in which Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) asked Holder whether he or anybody else in the Justice Department told the White House about the use of so-called "gunwalking" after it appeared to contribute to the 2010 death of a US Border Patrol agent, Holder replied, "I don't know."

The questioning occurred during a hearing held by the House Judiciary Committee, of which Smith is the chairman.

"When was anyone in the White House informed of the tactics used under 'Operation Fast and Furious?'" Smith asked.

Holder replied, "I don't know."

When Smith questioned Holder if he personally told the White House, Holder said, "There was contact between staff ... I don't myself remember any direct contact."

< time to cook his goose >


When questioned by Darrell Issa today, Holder continued to sidestep questions and withhold information.

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Through an anonymous source, Issa has obtained information about the initiative that is under a federal court-ordered seal.

Giving such information out is a federal crime, raising the question of whether the Justice Department will seek to prosecute what Republicans are calling a whistleblower.

Issa has asked the DOJ for the documents — wiretap applications it used in the botched federal gun-tracking Operation Fast and Furious — for months. The California lawmaker has taken preliminary steps to move contempt-of-Congress citations against Holder, but it remains unclear if GOP leaders support that move. This new controversy could help Issa attract more Republican support for a contempt-of-Congress resolution.

If Holder does launch an investigation into where the leak originated, the powerful Republican could paint the move as an attempt by the DOJ to hide the documents’ contents. It would also raise the possibility that DOJ investigators will seek information from Issa, who has been trying to determine who approved the “gun-walking” tactics used in Fast and Furious along the U.S.-Mexico border.

On the other hand, not launching a probe would mean turning a blind eye to a criminal breach and could lead Issa’s source and others to reveal other information sealed by a judge.

< mole may whack holder >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 07 2012,9:59 pm
Holder Claims Emails Using Words ‘Fast and Furious’ Don’t Refer to Operation Fast and Furious

Attorney General Eric Holder claimed during congressional testimony today that internal Justice Department emails that use the phrase “Fast and Furious” do not refer to the controversial gun-walking operation Fast and Furious.

Under questioning from Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), who read excerpts of the emails at a House Judiciary Committee hearing on Justice Department oversight, Holder claimed that the phrase “Fast and Furious” did not refer to Fast and Furious but instead referred to another gun-walking operation known as “Wide Receiver.”

However, the emails refer to both programs -- "Fast and Furious" and the "Tucson case," from where Wide Receiver was launched -- and reveal Justice Department officials discussing how to handle media scrutiny when both operations become public.

Among three of the emails (see < Jason Weinstein Email >) the second, dated “October 17, 2010  11:07 PM,” was sent by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein to James Trusty and it states:  “Do you think we should have Lanny participate in press when Fast and Furious and Laura’s Tucson case [Wide Receiver] are unsealed? It’s a tricky case, given the number of guns that have walked, but it is a significant set of prosecutions.”

In the third email, dated Oct. 18, 2010, James Trusty writes back to Weinstein: “I think so, but the timing will be tricky, too. Looks like we’ll be able to unseal the Tucson case sooner than the Fast and Furious (although this may be just the difference between Nov. and Dec).”

“It’s not clear how much we’re involved in the main F and F [Fast and Furious] case,” reads the email, “but we have Tucson [Wide Receiver] and now a new unrelated case with [redacted] targets. It’s not any big surprise that a bunch of US guns are being used in MX [Mexico], so I’m not sure how much grief we get for ‘guns walking.’ It may be more like ‘Finally, they’re going after people who sent guns down there.’”

Operation Wide Receiver was run out of Tucson, Ariz., between 2006 and 2007 by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF), a division of the Justice Department.

In his testimony, Holder said that the emails only referred to Operation Wide Receiver.

Holder told the committee: “That refers to Wide Receiver, not to Fast and Furious. The e-mail that you [Rep. Chaffetz] just read [between Trusty and Weinstein] – now this is important – that email referred to Wide Receiver, it did not refer to Fast and Furious. That has to be noted for the record.”

Chaffetz, after a long pause, said, "No, it doesn't. It says Fast and Furious. 'Do you think we should have Lanny participate in press when Fast and Furious and Laura’s Tucson case [Wide Receiver] are unsealed?' It's specific to Fast and Furious. That is not true, Mr. Attorney General. I'm happy to share it with you."

Operation Fast and Furious was carried out by the ATF.  It began in the fall of 2009 and continued into early 2011, during which time the federal government purposefully allowed known or suspected gun smugglers to purchase guns at federally licensed firearms dealers in Arizona. The government did not seek to abort these gun purchases, intercept the smugglers after the purchases, or recover the guns they had purchased.

In some cases, as the government expected they would, the smugglers delivered the guns to Mexican drug trafficking organizations.  Two rifles sold to a smuggler in the course of Operation Fast and Furious in January 2010 ended up at the scene of the murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry in December 2010.

Source < http://cnsnews.com/news...ast-and >

Eric (I don't know what I am doing) Holder is a first class bozo, liar and down right P O S.  He, and Breuer, Axelrod, and Burke knew full well what was going on, endorsed it  and would send lapdog, Gary Grindler down to meet with Voth, Newell, and Gillette.

Everyone of these criminals should be in prison if not at least executed.

If you get a chance, get the book "Fast and Furious" by Katie Pavlich and give it a read.  Lots of good information and well written with the aid of ATF whistleblowers.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 07 2012,11:48 pm
:yawn: You clowns don't have a problem with operation wide receiver?
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 08 2012,7:59 am
Splitting hairs by bickering about which party the POTUS came from when these outrageous and failed projects were launched is irrelevant.   :p

In the end, they're all crooks.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2012,9:03 am
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"I don't know" and "I don't remember" were answers Holder gave the House Judiciary Committee today when questioned.  



Aren't those the responses that worked during the Iran Contra hearings and hearings on the Bush Administration for 9-11?

Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 08 2012,9:36 am

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 08 2012,9:03 am)
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"I don't know" and "I don't remember" were answers Holder gave the House Judiciary Committee today when questioned.  



Aren't those the responses that worked during the Iran Contra hearings and hearings on the Bush Administration for 9-11?

Indeed. Next thing you know, Holder will be a commentator on FOXNews...  :frusty:
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 08 2012,9:43 am

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 08 2012,9:36 am)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 08 2012,9:03 am)
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"I don't know" and "I don't remember" were answers Holder gave the House Judiciary Committee today when questioned.  



Aren't those the responses that worked during the Iran Contra hearings and hearings on the Bush Administration for 9-11?

Indeed. Next thing you know, Holder will be a commentator on FOXNews...  :frusty:

:rofl:



So funny but at the same time....so sad. What a country.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 08 2012,7:39 pm

(Liberal @ Jun. 07 2012,11:48 pm)
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:yawn: You clowns don't have a problem with operation wide receiver?

In that operation, arms where not allowed to go across the border.  Fast and Furious was an operation that was built upon Wide Receiver.
But none the less, operations like these need to stop, breaking the law to make arrests doesn't speak very well of the professionalism of our law enforcement and their willingness to disregard their oaths, all in the name of some numbers and a paycheck.

Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 09 2012,2:55 am
Grinning Dragon, I'm just curious what you think about the FBI being behind over half of the "terrorist plots" on American soil since 9-11.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 09 2012,3:36 am
Hey, an informant gave me the Official Administration Screw-up Handbook!!
All it says is:
Once you, or anyone in your administration is involved in a scandal that you can no longer hide from the public:
1.) Lie, lie, and lie some more.
If you find this tactic ceases to be effective:
1.) Repeat the following during questioning: I don't know.
2.) Repeat the following during questioning: I don't remember.
This strategy is only needed until Lindsey Lohan's next drunk driving charge, or the season finale of Dancing With The Stars. At that time the media will quietly let you off the hook and put the sheep back to sleep.

WARNING: these instructions do not work if the scandal involves getting a BJ.

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 11 2012,2:58 pm
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Contempt of Congress is the act of obstructing the work of the United States Congress or one of its committees. Historically the bribery of a senator or representative was considered contempt of Congress. In modern times, contempt of Congress has generally applied to the refusal to comply with a subpoena issued by a Congressional committee or subcommittee — usually seeking to compel either testimony or the production of documents.
< wiki >


< House schedules contempt charge vote. >

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 11 2012,3:19 pm

(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 09 2012,2:55 am)
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Grinning Dragon, I'm just curious what you think about the FBI being behind over half of the "terrorist plots" on American soil since 9-11.

Are you stating this as fact or as a conspiracy theorist?
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jun. 11 2012,7:11 pm

(Glad I Left @ Jun. 11 2012,3:19 pm)
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(Rosalind_Swenson @ Jun. 09 2012,2:55 am)
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Grinning Dragon, I'm just curious what you think about the FBI being behind over half of the "terrorist plots" on American soil since 9-11.

Are you stating this as fact or as a conspiracy theorist?

You haven't been seeing these things coming out in the news lately?

< http://www.nytimes.com/2012...ted=all >

THE United States has been narrowly saved from lethal terrorist plots in recent years — or so it has seemed. A would-be suicide bomber was intercepted on his way to the Capitol; a scheme to bomb synagogues and shoot Stinger missiles at military aircraft was developed by men in Newburgh, N.Y.; and a fanciful idea to fly explosive-laden model planes into the Pentagon and the Capitol was hatched in Massachusetts.
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But all these dramas were facilitated by the F.B.I., whose undercover agents and informers posed as terrorists offering a dummy missile, fake C-4 explosives, a disarmed suicide vest and rudimentary training. Suspects naïvely played their parts until they were arrested.
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The FBI has built a massive network of spies to prevent another domestic terrorist attack. But are they busting plots—or leading them? That’s the question addressed by a year-long investigation in Mother Jones magazine. It suggests FBI informants are not only busting terrorist plots, they are actually leading them so the FBI can later claim victories in the so-called "war on terror." In collaboration with the Investigative Reporting Program at the University of California, Berkeley, reporter Trevor Aaronson examined more than 500 terrorism-related cases and found that nearly half the prosecutions involved the use of informants, many of them incentivized by cash rewards up to $100,000 per assignment. We speak with Aaronson and are also joined by James Wedick, a retired FBI agent who worked for the Bureau for 35 years, and Gadeir Abbas, staff attorney for the Council on American-Islamic Relations.





I'm going to admit, I wasn't sure how I felt about the government doing this, but after listening to Judge Napolitano's take on it, I think what they are doing is wrong.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 14 2012,6:56 am
Sipsey Street Exclusive: More DOJ Whistleblowers Emerge, This Time From DC. Do they bear "the keys to the kingdom?" "There sure is a sense of renewed enthusiasm here."

   Multiple, previously highly credible, sources close to the Gunwalker investigation report that there are at least one and perhaps two sources within the Department of Justice headquarters who have approached the Issa Committee seeking whistleblower status. One source, who reported that there were at least two of Eric Holder's subordinates who "came in from the cold," characterized them as "high-level" DOJ employees "with knowledge of Eric Holder's actions before and after" the 4 February 2011 DOJ letter denying that the DOJ and its subordinate agencies knew about "gunwalking." That letter has since been admitted by DOJ to have been a lie. If true, one or both of these whistleblowers may be the so-called "mole" -- a source within DOJ said to have been leaking documents, including the wiretap affidavits, to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

   What they bring with them from the cold, according to one source, is "the keys to the kingdom as far as Holder is concerned," adding "if this comes out before the (contempt) vote (on 20 June), then Holder is toast." Said another, "not even Boehner will be able to stop it. Hell, he'll really jump on board and act like it was his idea."

   This surprising development has re-energized the investigation staff, which was widely rumored to be floundering after the reluctance, not to say opposition, of the GOP leadership became known some months ago. One source called these whistleblowers "game changers" while another, after speaking of the frustrations of recent months said, "But there sure is a sense of renewed enthusiasm here."

   The emergence of two more whistleblowers, this time from Eric Holder's inner sanctum, may be one reason Congressman Issa sent < this final offer >     to Attorney General Holder offering what sounds like one last chance to negotiate seriously, or else. When I commented upon this to one of the sources, "Oh, yeah, he's got the 'or else' in his pocket . . . more than one actually."

   Other reporters are now chasing this story, so I expect we'll be hearing more on this development sooner rather than later.

Well, even rats know when to jump from a sinking Titanic.  Seems Erics own people are going to betray him.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 19 2012,6:46 am
< Blogger Vanderboegh reports ‘Gunwalker’ link to Obama’s ‘tough guy’ advisor >

The National Security Council issued a “butt out” response to CIA and DEA complaints about ATF and FBI weapons smuggling operations in Mexico, and < a security advisor close to President Obama was in the loop >, Mike Vanderboegh reported in an exclusive story broken last night on the “Armed American Radio” program and his Sipsey Street Irregulars blog.

Citing confidential sources, Vanderboegh writes that NSC Deputy Director Denis McDonough was also “protecting” another NSC operative discussed before in this column, < Kevin O’Reilly, who received intelligence > on the Fast and Furious criminal “gunwalking” operation directly from then-Special Agent in Charge of ATF’s Phoenix Field Office, William Newell. O’Reilly was subsequently assigned to Iraq, where he remains effectively out of House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa’s reach, both geographically and because < Counsel to the President Kathryn Ruemmler has forbidden his cooperation. >

“McDonough, described in one biographical sketch as a ‘tough guy’ and ‘Obama’s single most influential foreign policy adviser,’ is also a personal friend and ‘basketball buddy’ of the President of the United States,” Vanderboegh writes, then providing an in-depth look at McDonough’s career and affiliations.

This, the third scoop ignored by “Authorized Journalist” media in less than a week by the Pinson, Ala., blogger, places one more circumstantial piece of an incomplete picture puzzle on the desk in the Oval Office.

As reported last week on “Hannity,”< National Security Advisor and “political operative” Tom Donilon was alleged to be behind leaks > that again point to presidential involvement, and that investigation under Attorney General Eric Holder has been criticized by Senate Judiciary Committee Republicans as instead < shielding the administration. > The point being, there is an apparent and repeated pattern that replicates throughout the administration on multiple allegations that makes plausible deniability of knowledge or involvement on the part of senior officials, right up to the president, increasingly difficult to accept on faith.

Vanderboegh and this correspondent appeared last night on the nationally-syndicated “Armed American Radio” program to talk about his latest findings with host Mark Walters and the discussion lasted for two of the program’s three hours. Readers who could not listen live can do so at their convenience by accessing segment archives on the AAR site. Walters and producer Sean Young occupied < Hour1 > with news and commentary and the discussion turned to Fast and Furious in < Hour2 > followed with a continuation in the < Hour3 > “Roundtable.”

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 20 2012,12:02 pm
:popcorn: So Bammy invokes executive privilege, that's interesting. :popcorn:
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 20 2012,1:00 pm
So much for Issa and his republitard committee getting their pound of political flesh. :rofl:
Posted by grassman on Jun. 20 2012,1:07 pm
I don't know about you, any chitty dealings by our supposed leaders is contemptible, no matter which party. Makes me want to puke.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 20 2012,1:17 pm
Why is the white house forbidding testimony from the former NSC director?  It's not under direction from O'Reilly's own lawyer.

If they (white house) has nothing to hide, why not comply?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 20 2012,1:22 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 20 2012,12:02 pm)
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:popcorn: So Bammy invokes executive privilege, that's interesting. :popcorn:

By obumbler issuing his EO, this could be seen by Congress that holder misled Congress and would now have the motive to move forward with contempt charges, as it would indicate that holder at some point discussed FnF with obumbler.

If obumbler was not personally involved, then his EO does not apply.   The issuance of an EO is in the matters of national security, how again does FnF have anything to do with national security?

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 20 2012,1:38 pm
I don't have a problem with either operation Wide Receiver, or Fast and Furious.

It's pretty obvious this is not an investigation, it's a partisan witch hunt. If they were really concerned about how the program started they would be asking Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzales questions.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 20 2012,1:44 pm

(Liberal @ Jun. 20 2012,1:38 pm)
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I don't have a problem with either operation Wide Receiver, or Fast and Furious.

It's pretty obvious this is not an investigation, it's a partisan witch hunt. If they were really concerned about how the program started they would be asking Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzales questions.

You don't have a problem with either operation?
So you are ok with feds breaking the law, to catch criminals for buying weapons?

Both programs were setup to fail, from the get go.
Neither program would have EVER put the big boss man of the drug cartels in prison.  What idiot would think the main guy is the one going to go out and buy weapons and smuggle them into mexico, he isn't, he will send pawns to do his bidding.

The whole FnF was setup to justify so called weapons reporting rules (with out Congressional support mind you) along the Southwest border.

It is not a witch hunt, two agents are dead because of this.  The federal govt put those weapons into the hands of those who used them to gun down two American agents.  Some one has to be held accountable, and well when you are the boss and the chit hits the fan, you get the blame.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 20 2012,1:58 pm
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You don't have a problem with either operation?

Isn't that what I just said?
QUOTE

So you are ok with feds breaking the law, to catch criminals for buying weapons?

What law was broken by the federal government?

QUOTE

The whole FnF was setup to justify so called weapons reporting rules (with out Congressional support mind you) along the Southwest border.

So when the Bush Justice Department started Operation Wide Receiver it was intended to justify weapons reporting rules? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 20 2012,4:52 pm
So if you are ok with the feds breaking the law, then you should have no problem with I or any other person breaking the law, you should back us up, since you are ok with it.

The feds have to abide by the very laws that you and I have to abide by, otherwise it is entrapment by the feds.

Are you obtuse in the fact you do not realize what laws the feds broke?  They allowed straw purchases to be made, allowed felons to purchase weapons, allowed the movement of weapons across the border.  All of these are laws that the ATF is charged with enforcing.

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So when the Bush Justice Department started Operation Wide Receiver it was intended to justify weapons reporting rules? Do you realize how stupid that sounds?


Why do you keep bringing up OP WR?  Stuck in the past?  OP WR, NEVER allowed weapons to cross the border, purchases by known mules by the drug cartels were arrested on the spot, the OP was discontinued due to the fact that the ATF was allowing straw purchases to be made.  No agents were killed during that OP.

Now on to the reporting rule.  After the death of Agent Terry, D.A.G Lanny Brewer blasted the Lone Wolf Trading post for allowing 100's of weapons to be purchased by straw purchasers and went over the border all at the very heavy handed insistence of Hope McAllister of the ATF, basically Lone Wolf was coerced into cooperating with the ATF, this brought about the reporting mandate at the insistence of Lanny and the AD Melson.

Why the need for more UNCONSTITUTIONAL regulations regarding small arms?  There wasn't a need for the regulations until the feds created a chit storm of epic proportions.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 20 2012,5:27 pm
QUOTE

So if you are ok with the feds breaking the law, then you should have no problem with I or any other person breaking the law, you should back us up, since you are ok with it.

What law was broken by the government?

QUOTE

The feds have to abide by the very laws that you and I have to abide by, otherwise it is entrapment by the feds.

If the feds break the law it's Entrapment? :dunce:

QUOTE

Why do you keep bringing up OP WR?  Stuck in the past?  OP WR, NEVER allowed weapons to cross the border, purchases by known mules by the drug cartels were arrested on the spot, the OP was discontinued due to the fact that the ATF was allowing straw purchases to be made.  No agents were killed during that OP.

You're delusional.

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The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]

< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki..._probes >


QUOTE

Why the need for more UNCONSTITUTIONAL regulations regarding small arms?  There wasn't a need for the regulations until the feds created a chit storm of epic proportions.

This program was started under the Bush administration, are you suggesting the Bush administration wanted more regulation on "small arms" like AK47's?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 22 2012,11:09 am
Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations
By Sharyl Attkisson


Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:
QUOTE
"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."


On Jan. 4, 2011, as ATF prepared a press conference to announce arrests in Fast and Furious, Newell saw it as "(A)nother time to address Multiple Sale on Long Guns issue." And a day after the press conference, Chait emailed Newell: "Bill--well done yesterday... (I)n light of our request for Demand letter 3, this case could be a strong supporting factor if we can determine how many multiple sales of long guns occurred during the course of this case."

This revelation angers gun rights advocates. Larry Keane, a spokesman for National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade group, calls the discussion of Fast and Furious to argue for Demand Letter 3 "disappointing and ironic." Keane says it's "deeply troubling" if sales made by gun dealers "voluntarily cooperating with ATF's flawed 'Operation Fast & Furious' were going to be used by some individuals within ATF to justify imposing a multiple sales reporting requirement for rifles."

Read the rest < Here >

Would like also point out, some of the information from your wiki is incorrect.  Jay Dobyns and Vincent Cefalu have gone into the MANY difference between OP WR and FnF.  Both agents found both OPs appalling.  I would rather believe the facts coming from those ATF agents to be more credible than your wiki.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 22 2012,12:17 pm
Like I said, the program was started under the Bush administration who allowed guns to get into Mexico until the Obama administration stopped it. You clowns are upset at the wrong administration, and if the republitards really wanted the facts about how the case started they would have subpoenaed Alberto "I don't recall" Gonzalez instead of going on a political witch hunt.
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 22 2012,3:03 pm
I don't think anyone is arguing that Operation Wide Reciever was started under the previous administration.

There are some minor details that are different between Op. W.R. and FnF though.

W.R.- involved roughly 300 guns
FnF -involved over 2000 guns

W.R. -weapons were to be traced with tracking devices
FnF -no tracking devises were used

W.R. -when GPS tracking started to fail in some guns, the program was cancelled.
FnF -operation continued when DOJ lost track of all weapons.

W.R. -ATF ordered to follow guns to border
FnF - ATF ordered to stand down.

W.R. -Mexican authorities were aware of and in the loop on activiities.
FnF -Mexican authorities were unaware of gunwalking activities.

Both operations either walked or allowed guns into Mexico.  Both operations lost the whereabouts of weapons.  One was cancelled because of this, the other wasn't.

Oh, one more thing.

Op. W.R. -no known Americans deaths
FnF -two Americans dead

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 22 2012,4:39 pm
WR guns were tracked with GPS devices but they still ended up in Mexico. So I guess the Bush admin gave them guns and GPS tracking devices too. :dunce:

Like I said, one administration started the gun walking program and another stopped it, and you clowns think the one that stopped it is to blame?

That's sort of like blaming the fire department when they put a fire out, instead of blaming the person that started the fire. :crazy:

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 22 2012,5:11 pm
It looks like Maddog's "facts" came from a freeper post referencing an anonymous blogger. :rofl:

< http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2898313/posts >

< http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2012...er.html >

One of the comments says the ATF agent built miniature GPS tracking devices with parts from Radioshack and hid them in the weapons. :rofl:

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 22 2012,5:14 pm
So you're blaming  Bush for FnF?
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 22 2012,5:25 pm
No, I'm giving the Obama administration credit for stopping the gun walking program that the Bush administration started.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 23 2012,7:24 am
So if it is so clear to you that the Bush administration is at fault and the Obumer administration should take credit for shutting it down...why all the secrecy?

F&F was started by the Obummer administration and only ended when things went bad and it hit the news.

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In 2009, the US government instructed Arizona gun sellers illegally to sell arms to suspected criminals. Agents working for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) were then ordered not to stop the sales but to allow the arms to “walk” across the border into the arms of Mexican drug-traffickers. According to the Oversight Committee’s report, “The purpose was to wait and watch, in hope that law enforcement could identify other members of a trafficking network and build a large, complex conspiracy case…. [The ATF] initially began using the new gun-walking tactics in one of its investigations to further the Department’s strategy. The case was soon renamed ‘Operation Fast and Furious.”
It’s important to note that the Bush administration oversaw something similar to Fast and Furious. Called Operation Wide Receiver, it used the common tactic of “controlled delivery,” whereby agents would allow an illegal transaction to take place, closely follow the movements of the arms, and then descend on the culprits. But Fast and Furious is different because it was “uncontrolled delivery,” whereby the criminals were essentially allowed to drop off the map. Perhaps more importantly, Wide Receiver was conducted with the cooperation of the Mexican government. Fast and Furious was not.
< My Webpage >


Another question is why did Obumer invoke executive priviledge if there is nothing to hide?  Is the information so damaging that the POTUS is willing to risk a public relations firestorm 6 months before the election?  Why not put everything out in the open if there is nothing to worry about?   :dunno:

I seem to remember Obumer castigating Bush for using executive priviledge.  Apparantly with your guy what's good for the goose isn't good for the gander.

I think you a very naive on this issue Liberal.  Brian Terry's parents deserve to be told the WHOLE truth about what went on, who was responsible, and what their motive was.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 23 2012,2:30 pm
I'm sure the radical right-wing teabaggin republicans will get to the bottom of fast and furious in about the same amount of time as it takes to get to the bottom of where President Obama was born.. :crazy: :rofl:

So people buy guns and bring them to Mexico, sounds like the free market system that the right is always talking about..

US Patrol agents are exposed to danger every day, just like police officers, thats their job.. Remember that guns don't kill people, people kill people..  

Sixty people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 23 2012,3:57 pm
Lets see if we can drill down on the difference of the two OPs.

In a nutshell...
WR - Joint OP between Mexico and the US to trace the trafficking of weapons across the border.  ATF-Mexico (Yes ATF has agents in Mexico) working with Mexico's Federale.  Op shutdown, declared a success (still a dumb OP)

FnF - OP WR didnt go far enough.  Expand the amount of FFls to allow straw purchases to known Mexican Cartel pawns / criminals, (Mexico WAS NOT informed nor were they part of this OP) and flood it with straw purchased weapons and ammo and allow it to cross the border, ATF quickly lost track of 300+ weapons in the first month of OP, agents question leadership on this OP, agents told to shut up and do your job.  Mexico sees the amount of weapons found in crime scenes look to be from America.  Mexico Federale contacts ATF Mexico field office for assistance.

ATF confirms a portion of weapons found, are in fact from the US, report findings to SAC, SAC advises ATF Mexico of FnF program, ATF-Mexico is told to not relate any info to Mexico's Federale's.  6 months in, Mexico's President starts screaming about the deaths at the hands of US policies.  USDOJ, tells Mexico to shut up or risk looking $450+ million in drug fighting aid.  Mexico shuts up, death rate sky rockets in Mexico.  2 US agents killed by FnF straw purchases arms.  Chit hits the fan, ATF whistleblowers come forward with damning info into the OP, most whistleblowers are retaliated against for doing the right thing and expose an illegal OP.

Posted by Liberal on Jun. 23 2012,6:43 pm
You clowns should have the crazy right wing bloggers correct wikipedia.
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 23 2012,6:54 pm
^ are you getting your info from wikipedia?
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 23 2012,10:54 pm
10 Leading Causes of Violence-Related Injury Deaths, United States, 2009

< http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin...debug=0 >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 23 2012,11:37 pm

(Self-Banished @ Jun. 23 2012,6:54 pm)
QUOTE
^ are you getting your info from wikipedia?

Of course.  Don't you know wiki is the final authority on any and all subjects.  :crazy:

Considering there is a plethora of other sites and authors to use and are current.
Guess some cannot be arsed to look up:
Sharyl Attkisson
Katie Pavlich
sipsey street irregulars
Mike Vanderboegh
as well as cleanupatf.org.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 23 2012,11:51 pm
Mike Vanderboegh is the nutcase that created this nutball conspiracy.. :crazy: :rofl:

Visit msnbc.com for breaking news, < world news >, and < news about the economy >


Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,12:14 am
What ever mudshark.
So its a conspiracy now is it?  Hmmm, guess all of the documents and ATF whistleblowers are made up as well?

Also your link sucks, it goes nowhere, fix it.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,12:25 am
Proof of stupid usually means stupid.. :rofl:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2012,5:50 am

(alcitizens @ Jun. 24 2012,12:25 am)
QUOTE
Proof of stupid usually means stupid.. :rofl:

Yes, it most certainly does :sarcasm:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2012,6:40 am

(alcitizens @ Jun. 23 2012,10:54 pm)
QUOTE
10 Leading Causes of Violence-Related Injury Deaths, United States, 2009

< http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin...debug=0 >

I think that's a dead like there Forest. :oops:
Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 24 2012,7:13 am
^ sorry, link, it's early.
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,12:12 pm
The link I put up quits working after so many minutes..

10 Leading Causes of Violence-Related Injury Deaths, United States, 2009

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,12:33 pm
What does your graph have anything to do with FnF?

We are not debating subjective data in relation to firearms and the top 10 leading causes of violence -related...

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,1:25 pm
Darrell Issa Contradicts John Boehner On Fast And Furious, Admits No Knowledge Of Obama Involvement

:rofl:

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv...furious >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,1:37 pm
No answer to my question to you, huh.

Also your link sucks, fix it.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,1:55 pm
Sixty people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US.. I feel bad for the family of the border patrol agent but it happens..

Fixed the Link :D

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,2:06 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 24 2012,1:55 pm)
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Sixty people die every day from gunshot wounds in the US.. I feel bad for the family of the border patrol agent but it happens..

Fixed the Link :D

And what pray-tel does 60 people who die by gun shot wounds have to do with FnF?  What is the correlation?  Are you saying all of those victims were at the hands of gun walked straw purchases?

How many of those that died as a result were self defense driven, criminal, suicidal or accidental?

Issa / Bohner - Bohner isn't on the same committee as Issa.  It isn't nothing new for people of the same party to espouse their differences.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,3:24 pm
OCDETF and Fast and Furious Summary

OCDETF: Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force. (Created during the Reagan administration)

OCDETF cases are Justice’s crown jewels and the funds have one very big string attached: Direct involvement of Justice Department headquarters in Washington — known as “Main Justice” in DOJ circles. OCDETF cases have priority for resources (personnel and funding)

OCDETF is “the centerpiece of the United States Attorney General’s drug strategy” and has it’s own special place on the DOJ website. “OCDETF strategy” is implemented “under the direction of the Deputy Attorney General” — second in command to Holder at DOJ.

The defining features of OCDETF are investigative coordination under the Justice Department’s leadership and the liberal sharing of information across the department’s array of agencies. No OCDETF case is an outlier.

Fast and Furious was an OCDETF case as of January, 2010, which made it a Main Justice case. Fast and Furious began in the fall of 2009, when agents in ATF’s Phoenix office developed their strategy — including the fateful gunwalking tactic — with the U.S. attorney. In January 2010 the case became an OCDETF investigation through a deliberate process. ATF and the U.S. attorney had to apply to Main Justice for OCDETF status.

As part of the application process, ATF Phoenix Field Division prepared a briefing paper detailing the investigative strategy: “…our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place….., in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of additional co-conspirators who would continue to …. illegally traffic firearms to Mexican DTOs”

A case gets approval for funding — which can run well into the millions of dollars — only if senior Justice Department officials, after studying the formally submitted proposal, determine that the investigation has great promise.

To win OCDETF designation, Fast and Furious was “reorganized as a Strike Force including agents from ATF, FBI, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), and the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component of the Department of Homeland Security.” The Strike Force designation also meant that the U.S. Attorney’s Office – rather than ATF – would run Fast and Furious. U.S. Attorney’s Office was led by Dennis Burke, a new political appointee who had previously served as Chief of Staff to then Arizona Governor and now Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano. Earlier in his career, Burke had worked with former White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel on gun control legislation as a U.S. Senate staff member.

OCDETF investigations are carefully monitored by the Justice Department to ensure that the extraordinary flow of funding continues to be worthwhile.

Thus ‘Fast and Furious’ could not have been an isolated rogue ATF operation….. contrary to the spin that DOJ and the White House would have us believe.

OCDETF cases get the attention of the Justice Department’s top hierarchy.

What gets that level of attention gets the attorney general’s attention.

And what gets the attorney general’s attention very often gets White House (and the president’s) attention.

That would be the president who just invoked executive privilege.

Seems obumble knew about FnF back in March 2009.


Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,3:41 pm
Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious

Wallace played a clip of House Speaker John Boehner saying that the invocation of executive privilege is “an admission” of guilt on the part of the White House.

Wallace asked Issa directly if “any evidence” currently supports the claim that White House officials were at all involved with the operation or a cover-up of any kind.

Issa said quite clearly that it doesn’t.

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv...furious >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,3:54 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 24 2012,3:41 pm)
QUOTE
Rep. Darrell Issa Admits There Is No Evidence Connecting White House To Fast & Furious

Wallace played a clip of House Speaker John Boehner saying that the invocation of executive privilege is “an admission” of guilt on the part of the White House.

Wallace asked Issa directly if “any evidence” currently supports the claim that White House officials were at all involved with the operation or a cover-up of any kind.

Issa said quite clearly that it doesn’t.

< http://www.mediaite.com/tv...furious >

Once again, Bohner is not on the committee.  Bohner is throwing out his suspicions, the same way people did when tricky dickie did the same thing as obumbler did.

I doubt Issa has shared any info or documents in regards to FnF with Bohner, since he is not on the committee.  The only thing that would be brought to Bohners attention is the vote to move forward with contempt charges against holder.

Now the above video I posted says otherwise, and that the prez is involved.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,4:01 pm
The head of the investigation in congress is Republican Rep. Issa and he said this morning that there is no evidence White House officials were involved with the operation or a cover-up of any kind.

What do you not understand?

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 24 2012,4:05 pm
And why cannot Bohner have a different view from that of Issa?
Also Issa does not have all of the documents, with the information Issa has gained so far only points to the DOJ.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 24 2012,6:14 pm
At issue are Justice Department documents that Mr. Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have sought and that the department resisted turning over in the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious. The department had said the documents reflected internal deliberation or were related to continuing criminal investigations and therefore weren't subject to congressional subpoena.

The Justice Department's internal watchdog is almost done with its investigation of Fast and Furious and could release a report as soon as next month, according to people familiar with the matter. Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who won Senate confirmation in March, is aiming to provide the first definitive account of what went wrong. Already, the inspector general's inquiry has spawned two separate investigations that could lead to criminal charges, people familiar with the probe say.

< http://online.wsj.com/article...78.html >

Republicans are going to look so bad when the Justice Department begins to make arrests related to Fast and Furious..

Holder is setting up the kooks in "Operation GOP Backfire" :rofl:  :sarcasm:

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 27 2012,1:54 pm
You laugh at the thought of the GOP looking bad yet nothing else about this operation concerns you...

I don't care which team you cheer for, this is despicable.
:frusty:

Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 27 2012,3:01 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 24 2012,6:14 pm)
QUOTE
At issue are Justice Department documents that Mr. Issa and Sen. Charles Grassley (R., Iowa) have sought and that the department resisted turning over in the congressional investigation into Fast and Furious. The department had said the documents reflected internal deliberation or were related to continuing criminal investigations and therefore weren't subject to congressional subpoena.

The Justice Department's internal watchdog is almost done with its investigation of Fast and Furious and could release a report as soon as next month, according to people familiar with the matter. Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who won Senate confirmation in March, is aiming to provide the first definitive account of what went wrong. Already, the inspector general's inquiry has spawned two separate investigations that could lead to criminal charges, people familiar with the probe say.

< http://online.wsj.com/article...78.html >

Republicans are going to look so bad when the Justice Department begins to make arrests related to Fast and Furious..

Holder is setting up the kooks in "Operation GOP Backfire" :rofl:  :sarcasm:

"While Republicans and Democrats argue over the scope of the people's right to know what happened, the attorney general has decided to withhold relevant documents," Rep. John Barrow, D-Ga., said in a statement announcing he would support the contempt resolution. "The only way to get to the bottom of what happened is for the Department of Justice to turn over the remaining documents, so that we can work together to ensure this tragedy never happens again."
Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 27 2012,4:27 pm
Looks like the demacritters are breaking rank.  At least < five > conservative house democrats have already broke ranks and stated they will vote to hold Holder in contempt including Minnesotas' own Collin Peterson.
Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 27 2012,5:26 pm
Truth about Fast and Furious

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

Five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

< http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/ >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 27 2012,6:47 pm

(alcitizens @ Jun. 27 2012,5:26 pm)
QUOTE
Truth about Fast and Furious

A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust.

Five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.

Indeed, a six-month Fortune investigation reveals that the public case alleging that Voth and his colleagues walked guns is replete with distortions, errors, partial truths, and even some outright lies. Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case. Several, including Voth, are speaking out for the first time.

< http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/ >

:rofl: OOH, fiction can be fun. :rofl:
Well it is settled boys and girls, fortune has done an investigation, turn out the lights we can all go home now.

Ms. Eban conveniently ignores the fact that the whistleblowers testified under oath while "Fortune reviewed more than 2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents and interviewed 39 people, including seven law-enforcement agents with direct knowledge of the case." We can't help but wonder if those same documents were provided to Congressman Issa? :dunno:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 27 2012,7:27 pm
Fortune Magazine Tries to Tell The "Truth" About Fast and Furious, Fails Miserably
By: Katie Pavlich

QUOTE
"A Fortune investigation reveals that the ATF never intentionally allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. How the world came to believe just the opposite is a tale of rivalry, murder, and political bloodlust."


That's the subtitle of an "investigation" from Fortune Magazine today, or in other words, a full out distortion and dismissal of the facts in the Fact and Furious case. The article is long and I'm not going to take the time to debunk the entire thing, but just a few points.

First, the article gives a full defense of corrupt ATF Supervisor David Voth while smearing gun dealers as massive suppliers of drug cartels.

QUOTE


   Customers can legally buy as many weapons as they want in Arizona as long as they're 18 or older and pass a criminal background check. There are no waiting periods and no need for permits, and buyers are allowed to resell the guns. "In Arizona," says Voth, "someone buying three guns is like someone buying a sandwich."
And what is wrong with that, Mr Voth?  Why do you hate Freedom?

   By 2009 the Sinaloa drug cartel had made Phoenix its gun supermarket and recruited young Americans as its designated shoppers or straw purchasers. Voth and his agents began investigating a group of buyers, some not even old enough to buy beer, whose members were plunking down as much as $20,000 in cash to purchase up to 20 semiautomatics at a time, and then delivering the weapons to others.


Fact: During Operation Fast and Furious, gun dealers repeatedly emailed Voth, asking whether guns they were selling under orders from ATF, were ending up in the wrong hands. Voth assured them they were not. More than two thousands guns trafficked into Mexico and hundreds of dead victims later, that turned out to be a lie. Gun dealers repeatedly raised concerns about ATF telling them to allow straw purchasers using false ID and loads of cash to buy weapons. In 2010, a gun dealer email Voth because a straw purchaser had placed a large order and the dealer wanted to know if he should order more stock. Once again, so he could comply with ATF's order to sell. Voth told him, go right ahead. Order the guns, sell to the bad guys.

On June 17, 2010 a concerned dealer wrote, "As per our discussion about over communicating I wanted to share some concerns that came up. Tuesday night I watched a segment of a Fox News report about firearms and the border. The segment, if the information was correct, is disturbing to me. When you, Emory and I met on May 13th I shared my concerns with you guys that I wanted to make sure that none of the firearms that were sold per our converstation with you and vaious ATF agents could or would ever end up south of the border or in the hands of the bad guys. I guess I am looking for a bit of reassurance that the guns are not getting south or in wrong hands. I know it is an ongoing investigation so there is limited information you can share with me. But as I said in our meeting, I want to help ATF with its investigation but not at the rish of agents [sic] safety because I have some very close firends that are U.S. Border Patrol agents in southern AZ as well as my concern for all the agents [sic] safety that protect our country. If possible please email me back and share with me any reassurances that you can. As always thank you for your time and I send this email with all respect and a heart felt concern to do the right thing."

Voth sent an email on April 2, 2010 saying, "Our subjects purchased 359 firearms during the month of March alone, to include numerous Barrett .50 caliber rifles," he went on, "I believe we are righteous in our plan to dismantle this entire organization and to rush in to arrest any one person without taking in to account the entire scope of the conspiracy would be ill advices to the overall good of the mission." In another email, Voth mentioned 1200 people killed in March 2010, yet still called the program "righteous."
You can read more about Voth < here >

Next, the Fortune article claims officials directly involved in Fast and Furious never intentionally trafficked guns into Mexico and and actually seized guns.
QUOTE
Quite simply, there's a fundamental misconception at the heart of the Fast and Furious scandal. Nobody disputes that suspected straw purchasers under surveillance by the ATF repeatedly bought guns that eventually fell into criminal hands. Issa and others charge that the ATF intentionally allowed guns to walk as an operational tactic. But five law-enforcement agents directly involved in Fast and Furious tell Fortune that the ATF had no such tactic. They insist they never purposefully allowed guns to be illegally trafficked. Just the opposite: They say they seized weapons whenever they could but were hamstrung by prosecutors and weak laws, which stymied them at every turn.


The guns sold during Fast and Furious didn't "eventually fall into criminal hands," they were put there intentionally as soon as ATF approved the sale of those guns to guys they knew were straw purchasers before they even walked through the door of the gun dealerships. Not to mention, weapons were never seized until they were found at violent crime scenes; 1400 remain missing.

And of course, according to Fortune, this whole Fast and Furious scandal has been drummed up by...right wing bloggers!
QUOTE
How Fast and Furious reached the headlines is a strange and unsettling saga, one that reveals a lot about politics and media today. It's a story that starts with a grudge, specifically Dodson's anger at Voth. After the terrible murder of agent Terry, Dodson made complaints that were then amplified, first by right-wing bloggers, then by CBS. Rep. Issa and other politicians then seized those elements to score points against the Obama administration, which, for its part, has capitulated in an apparent effort to avoid a rhetorical battle over gun control in the run-up to the presidential election. (A Justice Department spokesperson denies this and asserts that the department is not drawing conclusions until the inspector general's report is submitted.)


Right, exposing the horrors of this scandal according to Fortune is simply bloggers, CBS and Issa "amplifying" "complaints" made by ATF Whistleblower John Dodson. More like, telling the truth, Fortune.

Also, Fortune quotes an IRS agent, but why was the IRS involved in Operation Fast and Furious? Because the IRS in partnership with ATF were giving gun dealers participating in the program advice about how to do their taxes with such a large inflow of cash.

And of course, the Fortune article mocks Arizona for being a pro-Second Amendment state while implying the reason for cartel violence in Mexico is because of limited gun control laws in the state when it was ATF who was deliberately trafficking weapons directly to the cartels in Mexico and doing nothing about it. This is simply an attempt to put a sliver of reasonable doubt into the minds of potential jurors should supervisors like Voth face criminal prosecution down the road.

Source < http://townhall.com/tipshee...serably >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 27 2012,7:31 pm
Oh but wait, what is this?

Becca Watkins, House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform spokeswoman, has issued the following statement:
QUOTE
Fortune’s story is a fantasy made up almost entirely from the accounts of individuals involved in the reckless tactics that took place in Operation Fast and Furious.  It contains factual errors – including the false statement that Chairman Issa has called for Attorney General Holder’s resignation – and multiple distortions.  It also hides critical information from readers – including a report in the Wall Street Journal – indicating that its primary sources may be facing criminal charges.  Congressional staff gave Fortune Magazine numerous examples of false statements made by the story’s primary source and the magazine did not dispute this information.  It did not, however, explain this material to its readers.  The one point of agreement the Committee has with this story is its emphasis on the role Justice Department prosecutors, not just ATF agents, played in guns being transferred to drug cartels in Mexico.  The allegations made in the story have been examined and rejected by congressional Republicans, Democrats, and the Justice Department.”

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 28 2012,12:14 am
< http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...re_copy >
Posted by grassman on Jun. 28 2012,12:53 pm
I think the main thing to come out of this is, bring the arrogance level down from those who are holding office. I don't care what party you belong to. In the end, your ass belongs to the people of the United States.   :thumbsup: :woohoo:
Posted by Botto 82 on Jun. 28 2012,1:00 pm

(grassman @ Jun. 28 2012,12:53 pm)
QUOTE
I think the main thing to come out of this is, bring the arrogance level down from those who are holding office. I don't care what party you belong to. In the end, your ass belongs to the people of the United States.   :thumbsup: :woohoo:

Yes, as indicated by the fact that the people debating our healthcare options don't have to pay a penny for theirs.

As long as BS like this is allowed to continue, there will be no true representation of the will of the People.

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 28 2012,4:12 pm
The first U.S. Attorney General in American history has been held in criminal contempt of congress..

Democrats walk out..



Republicans continue to show how radical they really are..  :crazy:

Posted by Glad I Left on Jun. 28 2012,4:27 pm

(Botto 82 @ Jun. 28 2012,1:00 pm)
QUOTE

(grassman @ Jun. 28 2012,12:53 pm)
QUOTE
I think the main thing to come out of this is, bring the arrogance level down from those who are holding office. I don't care what party you belong to. In the end, your ass belongs to the people of the United States. :woohoo:

Yes, as indicated by the fact that the people debating our healthcare options don't have to pay a penny for theirs.

As long as BS like this is allowed to continue, there will be no true representation of the will of the People.


Completely agree!
:thumbsup:

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2012,6:37 pm
So I'm driving home tonight and I went by the cemetery, HEY! is obummer gonna get something going to pay for our funerals??? How about dental?? C'mon, dentist get expensive, I'm sure he and his little minions could set something up. I think I'll sent a e-mail off to Senetor Dipshi.. I mean Frankin and get the ball rolling.

Wait a minute, PETCARE!!! How are we supposed to care for Fluffy and Fido? ( sorry Mr. Gere, no gerbil care, Barney Fwank might get jealous) :p

Posted by Self-Banished on Jun. 28 2012,8:16 pm
^ sorry, wrong thread, been pretty pissed off today.
Posted by Common Citizen on Jun. 29 2012,1:51 am
Do you know what it cost for a crown these days?  Sheesh... :blush:
Posted by Liberal on Jun. 30 2012,12:31 am
QUOTE

Newly reported facts reveal Issa misstatements about Fast and Furious

June 28, Washington DC – Bombshell reporting in Fortune Magazine and the Washington Post sheds new light on the festering, wormy mess that is Darrell Issa’s Fast and Furious investigation. Fortune reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives operation was nothing like Issa has claimed. In fact, Fast and Furious was so different that it is virtually impossible for Chairman Issa to be so utterly misinformed. He appears to be lying.

Let’s catch up…

ATF never bought, held or had “2,000 guns”

Fortune reports that the “2000 guns” often named by Issa as having been a part of the program were actually guns that were purchased ordinarily by suspected straw purchasers who were under investigation. They were not guns purchased by ATF, with ATF funds, or for ATF investigations.

As it turns out, only five guns appear to have been purchased with ATF funds. They were all part of an operation conducted by ATF Agent John Dodson, congressman Issa’s ostensible “whistle-blower.” So it appears that John Dodson described his own operation, but made it sound like everyone was doing it. In reality, his investigation was the only example among seven ATF gunrunning units.

Given where he worked, Dodson too, could not have been honestly mistaken. Though not proven, he appears to have made inaccurate claims about the other 1,995 guns under investigation, which would be perjury if he had made them under oath instead of under federal protections for whistleblowers.

All of Dodson’s bait guns were lost and the investigation closed without an arrest. They – these five guns – were the only bait guns bought or lost by ATF, according to Fortune. (Notably, Dodson’s investigation proposal had been rejected by his immediate supervisor but approved by his supervisor’s supervisor.)


< http://technorati.com/politic...darrell >

Posted by MADDOG on Jun. 30 2012,11:38 am
QUOTE
Issa Pulls a Cunning Move to Detail Secret ‘Fast and Furious’ Wiretap Applications

The ongoing tug-of-war between Attorney General Eric Holder and Rep. Darrell Issa (R- Calif.), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, climaxed on Thursday with a historic vote in which Congress held the attorney general in both civil and criminal contempt over his refusal to provide subpoenaed “Fast and Furious” documents.

And now less than 24-hours following the vote, it is being reported that Issa has seemingly dealt another devastating blow to the Justice Department. Roll Call reports that in a very sly move: the chairman has inserted a May 24 letter he wrote to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), in which he quotes from and explains in detail some of the content found in secret wiretap applications from the failed federal gun-walking operation, into the Congressional Record.

Issa argues the wiretap applications are extremely detailed in identifying some of the tactics employed in Fast and Furious, which Holder and the senior DOJ officials still argue they were completely unaware of even though senior Justice Department officials signed off on the applications.

Holder has repeatedly said the wiretap applications are sealed court documents, which is why Issa has been unable to simply release the documents to the public. Issa himself said he got his copies from a group of “furious whistleblowers.” Holder and the DOJ have refused to comment on the applications, therefore details have remained extremely fuzzy.

< The Blaze >


Because the wiretap is sealed, the pure content could not be revealed, but it is apparent from the < transcript > that senior DOJ officials were aware because they had to sign off on it.

As Issa stated in the transcript,

QUOTE
To assist you in better understanding the facts, I appreciate the opportunity to provide relevant and necessary context for some of the information in this wiretap application. Due to the sensitivity of the document, individual targets and suspects will be referred to with anonymous designations. You will notice, however, that the individuals referred to in the wiretap application are well-known to our investigation. Although senior Department officials authorized this application on March 15, 2010, a mere four months after the investigation began, it contains a breathtaking amount of detail.The detailed information about the operational tactics contained in the applications raises new questions about statements of senior Justice Department officials, including the Attorney General himself. Before the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 8,2011, the Attorney General testified:

QUOTE
"I don’t think the wiretap applications—I’ve not seen—I’ve not seen them. But I don’t know — I don’t have any information that indicates that those wiretap applications had anything in them that talked about the tactics that have made this such a bone of contention and have legitimately raised the concern of members of Congress, as well as those of us in the Justice Department. I—I’d be surprised if the tactics themselves about gun walking were actually contained in those — in those applications. I have not seen them, but I would be surprise[d] [if that] were the case."

At a hearing before our Committee on February 2, 2012, the Attorney General also denied that any information relating to tactics appeared in the wiretap affidavits. He testified:
"I think, first off, there is no indication that Mr. Breuer or my former deputy were aware of the tactics that were employed in this matter until everybody I think became aware of them, which is like January, February of last year. The information — I am not at this point aware that any of those tactics were contained in any of the wiretap applications."
Contrary to the Attorney General’s statements, the enclosed wiretap affidavit contains clear information that agents were willfully allowing known straw buyers to acquire firearms for drug cartels and failing to interdict them - in some cases even allowing them to walk to Mexico. In particular, the affidavit explicitly describes the most controversial tactic of all: abandoning surveillance of known straw purchasers, resulting in the failure to interdict firearms. The Justice Department’s Office of Enforcement Operations reviews the wiretap applications to ensure that they are both legally sufficient and conform to Justice Department policy. Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole has verified this understanding. In a letter he sent to Congress on January 27, 2012, he stated that the Department’s ‘‘lawyers help AUSAs and trial attorneys ensure that their wiretap packages meet statutory requirements and DOJ policies."
When Assistant Attorney General Breuer testified last November about the wiretap approval process, however, he stated:
"[The role of the reviewers and the role of the deputy in reviewing Title Three applications is only one. It is to insure that there is legal sufficiency to make an application to go up on a wire, and legal sufficiency to petition a federal judge somewhere in the United States that we believe it is a credible re-quest. But we cannot — those now 22 lawyers that I have who review this in Washington — and it used to only be seven — can not and should not replace their judgment, nor can they, with the thousands of prosecutors and agents all over the country. Theirs is a legal analysis; is there a sufficient basis to make this request."

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 30 2012,3:18 pm
ATF and DOJ don't buy guns to sell to Drug Cartel's.. The Drug Cartel's buy tens of thousands of guns in Arizona every year because of laws that allow anyone 18 years of age to buy as many guns as they want..

ATF and DOJ don't sell guns, Arizona Gun Shops sell guns..

Holder's "Operation GOP Backfire" has begun and the radical lies of the NRA and the Republicans will continue to surface over the next few months..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 30 2012,3:42 pm
1.  Who cares if someone can buy as many weapons as they want?  Big deal, get over it.
2. ATF. FBI. DEA. ICE all had skin in the game, all of those provided money to their inside informants to give to the mules to buy the weapons.  Did they give money to all that bought weapons? NO of course not.
3. So now this is the doing of the NRA?  hmmmm, I think your tin foil hat is on to tight son.
QUOTE

In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

Looks like Issa's mole is coming through.  But yeah, it is all made up.  :crazy:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jun. 30 2012,4:11 pm
Issa sneaks wiretap info into the Congressional Record! Transcript of redacted letter for myopic Media Matters mokes provided courtesy of Sipsey Street Irregulars.

First off, here's a big surprise. FOX reports: "Justice Department shields Holder from prosecution after contempt vote."

   Meanwhile, The Blaze has this interesting tidbit "Issa Pulls a Cunning Move to Detail Secret ‘Fast and Furious’ Wiretap Applications," referencing a story in Roll Call, "Darrell Issa Puts Details of Secret Wiretap Applications in Congressional Record."
QUOTE
In the midst of a fiery floor debate over contempt proceedings for Attorney General Eric Holder, House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) quietly dropped a bombshell letter into the Congressional Record.

       The May 24 letter to Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), ranking member on the panel, quotes from and describes in detail a secret wiretap application that has become a point of debate in the GOP’s “Fast and Furious” gun-walking probe.

       The wiretap applications are under court seal, and releasing such information to the public would ordinarily be illegal. But Issa appears to be protected by the Speech or Debate Clause in the Constitution, which offers immunity for Congressional speech, especially on a chamber’s floor.

       According to the letter, the wiretap applications contained a startling amount of detail about the operation, which would have tipped off anyone who read them closely about what tactics were being used.

       Holder and Cummings have both maintained that the wiretap applications did not contain such details and that the applications were reviewed narrowly for probable cause, not for whether any investigatory tactics contained followed Justice Department policy.

       The wiretap applications were signed by senior DOJ officials in the department’s criminal division, including Deputy Assistant Attorney General Jason Weinstein, Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blanco and another official who is now deceased.


Here is CBS' take: GOP says wiretaps revealed 'Gunwalking' early on.

   The letter, boys and girls, is found on Page 232 of this entry in the Congressional Record. I have transcribed here for the benefit of any myopic Media Matters mokes who may try to use the excuse that they couldn't read it.
QUOTE
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM

       Washington, DC, May 24, 2012

       Hon. ELIJAH E. CUMMINGS, Ranking Member, Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, House of Representatives, Washington, DC.

       DEAR RANKING MEMBER CUMMINGS:

       Last February, I joined Senator Grassley in investigating Operation Fast and Furious, the reckless and fundamentally flawed program conducted by the Phoenix Field Division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms,and Explosives (ATF). As you know, during Fast and Furious, ATF agents let straw purchasers illegally acquire hundreds of firearms and walk away from Phoenix gun stores. The misguided goal of this operation was to allow the U.S.-based associates of a Mexican drug cartel to acquire firearms so they could be traced back to the associates once the firearms were recovered at crime scenes. On December 15, 2010, two guns from the Fast and Furious operation were the only ones found at the scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder.

       AN ORGANIZED CRIME DRUG ENFORCEMENT TASK FORCE (0CDETF) WIRETAP CASE

       Operation Fast and Furious got its name when it became an official Department of Justice Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) Strike Force case. The OCDETF designation resulted in funding for Fast and Furious from the Justice Department’s headquarters in Washington, D.C. The Strike Force designation meant that it would not be run by ATF, but would instead create a multi-agency task force led by the U.S. Attorney’s Office. The designation also meant that sophisticated law enforcement techniques such as the use of federal wire intercepts, or wiretaps, would be employed.Federal wiretaps are governed by Title III of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act, and are sometimes referred to as ‘‘T–IIIs.’’ The use of federal wire intercepts requires a significant amount of case-related information to be sent to senior Department officials for review and approval. All applications for federal wiretaps are authorized under the authority of the Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division. In practice, a top deputy for the Assistant Attorney General has final sign-off authority before the application is submitted to a federal judge for approval. This deputy must ensure that the wiretap application meets statutory requirements and Justice Department policy. The approval process includes a certification that the wiretap is necessary be-cause other investigative techniques have been insufficient. Therefore, making such a judgment requires a review of operational tactics. Since gunwalking was an investigative technique utilized in Fast and Furious, then either top deputies in the Criminal Division knew about the tactics employed as part of their effort to establish legal sufficiency for the application, or they approved the wiretap applications in a manner inconsistent with Department policies.From the beginning, ATF was transparent about its strategy. An internal ATF briefing paper used in preparation for the OCDETF application process explained as much:Currently our strategy is to allow the transfer of firearms to continue to take place, albeit at a much slower pace, in order to further the investigation and allow for the identification of co-conspirators who would continue to operate and illegally traffic firearms to Mexican DTOs which are perpetrating armed violence along the Southwest Border.

       * * * * *

       The ultimate goal is to secure a Federal T–III audio intercept to identify and prosecute all co-conspirators of the DTO. . . . Tracking the illegally-purchased guns after they left the premises of Federal Firearms Licensees (FFLs) would allow ATF and federal prosecutors to build a bigger case,one aimed at dismantling what was believed to be a complex firearms trafficking network. The task force failed, however, to track the firearms. Instead, according to the testimony of ATF agents, their supervisors ordered them to break off surveillance shortly after the guns left the gun stores or were transferred to unknown third parties. Many of the firearms purchased were next seen at crime scenes on both sides of the border.

       THE FAST AND FURIOUS GUN TRAFFICKING NETWORK WAS NOT COMPLEX

       We now know the gun trafficking ring that Fast and Furious was designed to target was relatively straightforward. It involved approximately 40 straw purchasers; a money-man, Manuel Celis-Acosta (Acosta), and; two figures tied to Mexican cartels. Acosta and the cartel figures were the top criminals targeted by ATF and the U.S. Attorney’s Office.On January 19, 2011, 20 suspects were indicted, including Acosta and 19 of his straw buyers. In all, it is believed that the Fast and Furious network purchased approximately 2,000 firearms. An internal ATF document dated March 29, 2011, shows that of the indicted defendants, only a select few purchased the majority of the firearms, andnearly all of the purchases occurred afterATF knew that these defendants were straw purchasers working with Acosta. These four indicted defendants alone illegally purchased nearly 1,300 firearms: Uriel Patina (720), Sean Steward (290), Josh Moore (141), and Alfredo Celis (134).

       THE GOALS OF OUR INVESTIGATION

       A central aim of our investigation has been to find out why and how such a dangerous plan could have been conceived, approved,and implemented. Who in ATF and the Justice Department knew about the volume of guns being purchased? Who approved of the case at various stages as it unfolded? Underwhose authority did this occur? Who could have — and should have — stopped it? By closely examining this disastrous program, our Committee hopes to prevent similar reckless operations from using dangerous tactics like gunwalking ever again. Our investigation also aims to determine what legislative actions might be necessary to ensure that such a program will not happen again.

       THE DEPARTMENT’S FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE COMMITTEE’S SUBPOENAS

       Our Committee is still entitled to thousands of documents responsive to our subpoenas. These documents will undoubtedly shed more light on the misguided tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious. If the Justice Department changes course and complies with the Committee’s subpoenas, some of these documents will cover the targets of an FBI investigation of the individuals who were the link between the drug cartels and the Fast and Furious firearms trafficking ring. Other documents will chronicle the Department’s response to allegations of whistleblowers following Agent Terry’s death and how it shifted its position from the outright denial that there was any misconduct to the Department’s formal withdrawal of its false statement in December 2011. Most importantly, as you are well aware, we are still waiting for documents relating to the individuals who approved the tactics employed in Fast and Furious. In his recent letter to me, Deputy Attorney General James Cole asserted that such documents‘‘will not answer the question’’ of what senior officials were in fact notified of the unacceptable tactics used in Fast and Furious. This statement is deeply misleading. We are aware of specific documents that lay bare the fact that senior officials in the Department’s Criminal Division who were responsible for approving the applications in support of the Fast and Furious wiretap authorization requests were indeed made aware of these questionable tactics. Cole’s letter goes on to state that ‘‘Department leadership was unaware of the inappropriate tactics used in Fast and Furious until allegations about those tactics were made public in early 2011.’’ That statement is even more misleading and utterly false. The information provided to senior officials in the affidavits accompanying the wiretaps includes copious details of the reckless investigative techniques involved. Senior department leaders were not only aware of these tactics. They approved them.

       WIRETAP APPLICATION OBTAINED BY THE COMMITTEE

       The Committee has obtained a copy of a Fast and Furious wiretap application, dated March 15, 2010. The application includes a memorandum dated March 10, 2010, from Assistant Attorney General of the Criminal Division Lanny A. Breuer to Paul M. O’Brien, Director, Office of Enforcement Operations, authorizing the wiretap application on behalf of the Attorney General. The memorandum from Breuer was marked specifically for the attention of Emory Hurley, the lead federal prosecutor for Operation Fast and Furious. In response to your personal request, I am enclosing a copy of the wiretap application. Please take every precaution to treat it carefully and responsibly. I am hopeful that it will assist you in understanding the information brought to the attention of senior officials in the Criminal Division charged with reviewing the contents of the applications to determine if they were legally sufficient and conformed to Justice Department policy. The information is as vast as it is specific. This wiretap application, signed by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Kenneth Blancounder the authority of his supervisor, Assistant Attorney General Breuer, provides new insight into who knew —or should have known — what and when in Operation Fast and Furious.

       To assist you in better understanding the facts, I appreciate the opportunity to provide relevant and necessary context for some of the information in this wiretap application. Due to the sensitivity of the document, individual targets and suspects will be referred to with anonymous designations. You will notice, however, that the individuals referred to in the wiretap application are well-known to our investigation. Although senior Department officials authorized this application on March 15, 2010, a mere four months after the investigation began, it contains a breathtaking amount of detail.The detailed information about the operational tactics contained in the applications raises new questions about statements of senior Justice Department officials, including the Attorney General himself. Before the Senate Judiciary Committee on November 8,2011, the Attorney General testified:

           "I don’t think the wiretap applications—I’ve not seen—I’ve not seen them. But I don’t know — I don’t have any information that indicates that those wiretap applications had anything in them that talked about the tactics that have made this such a bone of contention and have legitimately raised the concern of members of Congress, as well as those of us in the Justice Department. I—I’d be surprised if the tactics themselves about gun walking were actually contained in those — in those applications. I have not seen them, but I would be surprise[d] [if that] were the case."

       At a hearing before our Committee on February 2, 2012, the Attorney General also denied that any information relating to tactics appeared in the wiretap affidavits. He testified:

           "I think, first off, there is no indication that Mr. Breuer or my former deputy were aware of the tactics that were employed in this matter until everybody I think became aware of them, which is like January, February of last year. The information — I am not at this point aware that any of those tactics were contained in any of the wiretap applications."

       Contrary to the Attorney General’s statements, the enclosed wiretap affidavit contains clear information that agents were willfully allowing known straw buyers to acquire firearms for drug cartels and failing to interdict them - in some cases even allowing them to walk to Mexico. In particular, the affidavit explicitly describes the most controversial tactic of all: abandoning surveillance of known straw purchasers, resulting in the failure to interdict firearms. The Justice Department’s Office of Enforcement Operations reviews the wiretap applications to ensure that they are both legally sufficient and conform to Justice Department policy. Deputy Attorney General James M. Cole has verified this understanding. In a letter he sent to Congress on January 27, 2012, he stated that the Department’s ‘‘lawyers help AUSAs and trial attorneys ensure that their wiretap packages meet statutory requirements and DOJ policies."

       When Assistant Attorney General Breuer testified last November about the wiretap approval process, however, he stated:

           "[The role of the reviewers and the role of the deputy in reviewing Title Three applications is only one. It is to insure that there is legal sufficiency to make an application to go up on a wire, and legal sufficiency to petition a federal judge somewhere in the United States that we believe it is a credible re-quest. But we cannot — those now 22 lawyers that I have who review this in Washington — and it used to only be seven — can not and should not replace their judgment, nor can they, with the thousands of prosecutors and agents all over the country. Theirs is a legal analysis; is there a sufficient basis to make this request."

       Assistant Attorney General Breuer failed to acknowledge that before a wiretap application can be authorized, it must adhere to Justice Department policy. Yet, the operational tactics included in the enclosed wire-tap application — including abandoning surveillance and not interdicting firearms — violate Department policy.

       According to Deputy Attorney General Cole, operations allowing guns to cross the border do indeed violate Department policy. In an e-mail he sent to southwest border U.S. Attorneys on March 9,2011, Deputy Attorney General Cole stated,‘‘I want to reiterate the Department’s policy: We should not design or conduct under-cover operations which include guns crossing the border.’’

       The Committee understands the limitations of the Office of Enforcement Operations function. Nevertheless, when presented with alarming details such as those contained in this application, a sensible lawyer — vested with the important responsibility of recommending to the Assistant Attorney General whether a wiretap should be authorized - must raise the alarm. Senior officials reviewing the application for legal sufficiency and/or whether Justice Department policy was followed, however, failed to identify major problems that these manifold facts suggested.

       MARCH 2010 WIRETAP APPLICATION STATES THE MAIN SUSPECT HAD INTENT TO ACQUIRE FIREARMS FOR THE PURPOSE OF TRANSPORTING THEM TO MEXICO

       According to the wiretap application obtained by the Committee, as early as December 2009, the task force had identified the main suspect in Fast and Furious (Target 1),a figure well-known to our investigation. The affidavit provides transcripts of entire conversations obtained through a prior DEA wire intercept. These conversations demonstrate that key suspects in Operation Fast and Furious were running a firearms trafficking ring. In one conversation that took place on December 11, 2009, Unknown Person1 asks, ‘‘Can you hold them [firearms] for me there for a little while there?’’ Target 1 responds, ‘‘Well it’s that I do not want to have them at home, dude, because there is a lot of ... uh, it’s too much heat at my house.’’ Unknown Person 1 then asked where he could store the firearms and Target 1 responds, ‘‘[m]ake arrangements with that guy [Straw Purchaser X], call him back and make arrangements with him.’’ The affidavit acknowledges that while monitoring the DEA target telephone numbers, law enforcement officers intercepted calls that demonstrated that Target 1 was conspiring to purchase and transport firearms for the purpose of trafficking the firearms from the United States to Mexico.

       MARCH 2010 WIRETAP APPLICATION STATES THAT NEARLY 1,000 FIREARMS HAD ALREADY BEEN PURCHASED, AND THAT MANY WERE RECOVERED IN MEXICO

       The Probable Cause section of the affidavit shows that ATF was aware that from September 2009 to March 15, 2010, Target I acquired at least 852 firearms valued at approximately $500,000 through straw purchasers. As of March 15, 2010, twenty-one straw purchasers had been identified. Between September 23, 2009, and January 27, 2010, 139 firearms purchased by these straw purchasers were recovered — 81 of which were in Mexico. These recoveries occurred one to 49 days after their purchase in Arizona.

       MARCH 2010 WIRETAP APPLICATION DESCRIBES HOW SMUGGLERS WERE BRINGING FIREARMS INTO MEXICO

       The wiretap affidavit details that agents were well aware that large sums of money were being used to purchase a large number of firearms, many of which were flowing across the border. For example, in the span of one month, Straw Purchaser Z bought 241 firearms from just three cooperating FFL,s. Of those, at least 57 guns were recovered shortly thereafter either in the possession of others or at crime scenes on both sides of the border. The wiretap affidavit even shows that ATF agents knew the tactics the smugglers were using to bring the guns into Mexico. According to the affidavit:

           "The potential interceptees conspire with each other and others known to illegally traffic firearms to Mexico. The potential interceptees purchase firearms in Arizona and transport them to Mexico or a location in close proximity of the United States/Mexico border. The potential interceptees deliver the firearms to individual(s) both known and unknown who then transport them into Mexico and/or the potential interceptees transport the firearms across the border and deliver them to customers both known and unknown."

       The fact that ATF knew that Target 1 had acquired 852 firearms and had the present intent to move them to Mexico should have prompted Department officials to act. Department officials should have ensured that the firearms were interdicted immediately and that law enforcement took steps to disrupt any further straw purchasing and trafficking activities by Target 1. Similarly, by way of example, if Criminal Division attorneys were reviewing a wiretap affidavit that showed that human trafficking was taking place for the purpose of forcing humans into slavery, the attorneys should act to make sure such a practice would not continue. Accordingly, Target l’s activities should have provoked an immediate response by the Criminal Division to shut him and his net-work down.

       MARCH 2010 WIRETAP APPLICATION CONTAINS DETAILS OF DROPPED SURVEILLANCE

       The wiretap affidavit also describes firearms purchases by individual straw purchasers. For example, Straw Purchaser Y purchased five AK–47 type firearms on December 10, 2009, and surveillance units observed Straw Purchaser Y travel from the FFL where he made the purchase to Target l’s residence. The next day, surveillance units observed Straw Purchaser Y purchase an additional 21 AK–47 type firearms, and within an hour, arrive at Target l’s home.On December 8, 2009, agents observed Straw Purchaser Z purchase 20 AK–47 type firearms. While Straw Purchaser Z was making this purchase, Z saw a commercial delivery truck arrive at the gun store with a shipment of an additional 20 AK–47 type fire-arms. Straw Purchaser Z then told FFL employees that he wanted to purchase those additional firearms. Later that same day,Straw Purchaser Z returned to the FFL to buy them. After Straw Purchaser Z left the FFL with the firearms, Phoenix police officers conducted a vehicle stop on Straw Purchaser Z’s vehicle and identified two of the passengers as Straw Purchaser Z and Target 1. The officers observed the firearms in the bed of the truck and asked the subjects about the firearms. Straw Purchaser Z told them he had purchased the firearms and they belonged to him. ATF agents continued surveillance until the vehicle arrived at Target l’s residence.

       The very next day, nine of these firearms were recovered during a police stop of a third person in Douglas, Arizona, on the U.S.-Mexico border. Five days later, Straw Purchaser Z bought another 43 firearms from an FFL. On December 24, 2009, Straw Purchaser Z bought even more firearms, purchasing 40 AK–47 type rifles from an FFL. All of these rifles were recovered on January 13, 2010, in El Paso, Texas, near the U.S./Mexico border. Although the individual found in possession of all these guns provided the first name of the purchaser, agents did not arrest the individual or the purchaser.Though the wiretap application states that agents were conducting surveillance of known straw purchasers, none of these weapons were interdicted. No arrests were made.

       MARCH 2010 WIRETAP DETAIL SHOW FAST AND FURIOUS FIREARMS HAD BEEN FOUND AT CRIME SCENES IN MEXICO

       The wiretap affidavit also details the very short ‘‘time-to-crime’’ for many of the firearms purchased during Fast and Furious. For example, on November 6, 2009, November 12,2009, and November 14, 2009, Straw Purchaser Y purchased a total of 25 AK–47 type firearms from an FFL in Arizona. On November 20,2009 — just eight days later — Mexican officials recovered 17 of these firearms in Naco, Sonora, Mexico.

       Another straw purchaser,Straw Purchaser Q, purchased a total of 17 AK–47 type firearms from an FFL on November 3, 2009, November 10, 2009, and November 12, 2009. Then, on December 9, 2009, Mexican officials recovered 11 of these firearms in Mexicali, Baja California, Mexico, along with approximately 421 kilograms of cocaine, 60 kilograms of methamphetamine, 48 additional firearms, 392 ammunition cartridges,$2 million in U.S. currency, and $800,000 in Mexican currency. Once again, although ATF was aware of these facts, no one was arrested, and ATF failed to even approach the straw purchasers. Upon learning these details through its review of this wiretap affidavit, senior Justice Department officials had a duty to stop this operation. Further, failure to do so was a violation of Justice Department policy.

       STRAW PURCHASERS HAD MEAGER FINANCIAL MEANS

       The affidavit provides details of the straw purchasers’ financial records. As of March 15,2010, just four straw purchasers had spent $373,206 in cash on firearms. Yet, these same straw purchasers had only minimal earnings in Fiscal Year (FY) 2009. Straw Purchaser Q earned $214 per week, while Straw Purchaser Y earned only $188 per week. Straw Purchaser Z earned $9,456.92 during FY 2009, and Straw Purchaser X did not report any income whatsoever.

           Name Money spent on firearms by 3/15/10 FY 2009 income*

           Straw Purchaser Y $128,580 $9,776

           Straw Purchaser Q 64,929 11,128

           Straw Purchaser X 39,663 None reported

           Straw Purchaser Z 140,034 9,456

           Total $373,206

       *Incomes based on weekly incomes detailed in wiretap application.

       These straw purchasers did not have the financial means to spend tens of thousands of dollars each on guns. Yet, ATF allowed them to continue acquiring firearms without approaching them to inquire how they were able to obtain the funds to do so. ATF also failed to alert the FFLs with this information so that they could make more fully informed decisions as to whether to continue selling to these straw purchasers.

       CONCLUSION

       The wiretap affidavit reveals a remarkable amount of specific information about Operation Fast and Furious. The affidavit reveals that the Justice Department has been misrepresenting important facts to Congress and withholding critical details about Fast and Furious from the Committee for months on end. As the primary investigative arm of Congress, our Committee has a responsibility to demand answers from the Department and continue the investigation until we get all the facts.

       Sincerely,

       DARRELL ISSA, Chairman


Sources: < http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2012...to.html >
< http://www.foxnews.com/politic...furious >
< http://www.theblaze.com/stories...cations >
< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31...arly-on >

< Congressional Record >

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 30 2012,5:40 pm
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1. Issa Has No Case: Issa’s uncovered no evidence showing Holder bears any blame for the botched operations begun under George W. Bush, even though the Justice Department turned over thousands of pages of documents concerning the operations. Instead of accepting this fact, Issa has requested many more documents containing confidential information regarding ongoing law enforcement investigations, and is now threatening to hold Holder in contempt if these documents are not turned over. Holder is entirely correct to withhold these documents, however, because Justice Department documents are not subject to congressional subpoena if they would reveal “strategies and procedures that could be used by individuals seeking to evade [DOJ’s] law enforcement efforts.”

2. Reagan’s Justice Department Agreed With Holder: President Reagan’s Justice Department warned in the 1980s that the Constitution’s separation of powers prevents the kind of documents Issa is seeking from being revealed to Congress because of the risk that the legislature could “exert pressure or attempt to influence the prosecution of criminal cases.”

3. Law Enforcement Rejects Issa’s Witchhunt: Issa’s efforts to embarrass Holder are an unnecessary distraction that hinders the Department of Justice’s ability to do its real job. As an organization representing numerous senior law enforcement officials warned Issa, his efforts are “an impediment to the vigorous enforcement of violence and crime.”

4. Even Top Republicans Think Issa Goes Too Far: After Issa leaked his plans to pursue contempt charges to the media, the House Republican leadership pressured him to back off. Indeed, even House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-VA) has indicated that Issa is overreaching.

5. Issa Is Fixated On A Conspiracy Theory: Perhaps the most bizarre aspect of this affair is what Issa once suggested his investigation will uncover. In an interview with Sean Hannity, Issa claimed that the Obama administration “made a crisis” when they continued the Bush-era gunrunning operations because they wanted to “use this crisis to somehow take away or limit people’s Second Amendment rights.” This accusation originates from a former militiaman who supports violent resistance to imagined government attempts to seize his guns. And it amounts to an accusation that a series of botched gun stings that begun during the Bush Administration were actually part of a secret Obama plot to release guns to Mexican drug lords, so that those guns could then be used to kill federal agents, which would then cause a national uprising in support of gun control. :crazy:  

Posted by alcitizens on Jun. 30 2012,6:14 pm
Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt

< http://www.csmonitor.com/USA...ontempt >

Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 01 2012,7:13 am
Gunwalking has been going on for a long time and still goes on to this day without government involvement..
Posted by alcitizens on Jul. 09 2012,1:38 pm
$1M reward offered in murder of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry

(CBS News) TUCSON, Ariz. - The Department of Justice announced charges against five individuals in the death of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

The FBI alleges that the suspects had illegally entered the United States in order to steal contraband from drug traffickers.

Although Manuel Osorio-Arellanes was arrested on the night of the shooting, Favela-Astorga, Soto-Barraza, Portillo-Meza, and Heraclio Osorio-Arellanes remain at large, presumably in Mexico.

A sixth defendant, Rito Osorio-Arellanes, is charged with conspiracy to interfere with commerce by robbery.

"We will stop at nothing to bring those responsible for his murder to justice," said Attorney General Eric Holder.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...ntent.1 >

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2012,10:13 pm
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Why NRA wants Congress to vote Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt

< http://www.minnpost.com/christi...ontempt >


Mexico arrests suspect in Fast and Furious killing

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...killing >

AG Holder cleared in Justice gunwalking probe

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 19 2012,10:28 pm
Eric withHolder, cleared... Shocked, shocked I say.  Like anyone couldn't have seen that one coming, when they had a lackey take the fall, and resigns.  Seems someone just couldn't implicate their boss and got scared and fearful of retaliation.

And really the Christian Science Monitor as a source?? :rofl:
Those morons are in favor of civilian disarmament.
:finger: those guys.

Aside from that, it looks like "Media Matters" is DOJ's "Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda"....

DOJ deliberately manipulated the media over Fast and Furious to try to discredit whistleblowers, bloggers and news agencies.

Posted by busybee on Sep. 19 2012,10:53 pm
Agreed GD!   :clap:
Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 19 2012,10:59 pm
Admit it, you and Rep. Issa wasted my time.. :rofl:

Booooo, another conspiracy by the Radical Right.. :dunce:  Told you so..

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 19 2012,11:06 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 19 2012,10:59 pm)
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Admit it, you and Rep. Issa wasted my time.. :rofl:

Booooo, another conspiracy by the Radical Right.. :dunce:  Told you so..

Wasted your time??  This is one of the functions of Congress; you dolt!  You cannot have govt agencies running around skirting the law at will, and when they do, it is Congress's job to investigate and get to the bottom of the matter.

You still view FnF to be a conspiracy? :crazy: Wow, that tin foil hat and blinders you have on are doing you a world of hurt.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2012,12:15 am
You know congress can't get all documents during an investigation.. Congress knew they were asking for documents that couldn't be released during an investigation.. What do Rep. Issa and his republican cohorts do? They hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of congress(First time in U.S. history an AG has been found in Contempt) for not releasing documents that he could not release because of ongoing investigations..

Are you as dense as Rep. Darrell Issa and the Republican Party?

Attorney General Eric Holder cleared in Justice gunwalking probe

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 20 2012,7:22 am
Eric withHolder, chose not to release certain documents, this hiding behind national security BS was just a smoke screen, the action of holding him in contempt was the correct path to follow.  

I fail to see what, if any, sort of national security there would be in arming drug cartels in Mexico.  These bozo's got caught with their pants down, red handed in violating not only United States firearms laws, that WE the People have to follow, along with international laws in regards to arms trafficking.

There was NO plan or policies in place to follow or trace those weapons.

So tell me what in the blue chocolate jesus was the intent behind a gun running scheme such as this, if it wasn't about straw purchases?

The whole operation was intended to bring about new rounds of weapon restrictions, we know this to be true as many ATF whistle-blowers and a few Field supervisors have come forward and spilled the beans on the OP.

The AG is a criminal, and now an accessory to the murder of not only, OUR federal agents, but to the score of thousands of dead mexican subjects.  And the only thing that is going to happen to those who have owned up or have been thrown under the bus in this fiasco, is a bunch of tough talk, a slap on the wrist and reassigned to some other office, when in fact they should be put to death for their crimes and their surviving families should have their status stripped from them, loss of all equitable income and publicly shamed for 1000yrs.  /nods

Posted by grassman on Sep. 20 2012,7:29 am
If nothing else, this shows that we have way too many agencies out there. We have way too many agencies out of control, out there. We have way too many agencies that do not feel they are accountable to the citizens, out there.
Posted by Liberal on Sep. 20 2012,10:10 am
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Eric withHolder, cleared... Shocked, shocked I say.  Like anyone couldn't have seen that one coming, when they had a lackey take the fall, and resigns.


Are you suggesting the IG is corrupt?

Is this where us sane folk get to say, "I told ya so"? :rofl:

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2012,1:41 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 20 2012,7:22 am)
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The whole operation was intended to bring about new rounds of weapon restrictions

I know who needs a tin foil helmet and a tin foil AK-47.. :crazy:  :rofl:

Posted by Botto 82 on Sep. 20 2012,1:58 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2012,1:41 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Sep. 20 2012,7:22 am)
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The whole operation was intended to bring about new rounds of weapon restrictions

I know who needs a tin foil helmet and a tin foil AK-47.. :crazy:  :rofl:

So what in your vast experience leads you to believe what GD said is so implausible?

Please, enlighten us.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2012,3:00 pm
Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA..

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In his 471-page report, Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody >

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2012,3:00 pm
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With the Assault Weapons Ban set to expire before the next presidential term was complete, Bush stated his support for the ban during the 2000 presidential campaign but stopped short of pledging to sign an extension.

As the 2004 expiration date neared, however, the Bush administration signaled its willingness to sign legislation that either extended the ban or made it permanent. “[Bush] supports reauthorization of the current law,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters in 2003, as debate over the gun ban began to heat up.

Bush’s position on the ban represented a break from the National Rifle Association, which had been one of his administration’s staunchest allies. But the September 2004 deadline for renewing the ban came and went without an extension making it to the president’s desk, as the Republican-led Congress declined to take up the matter. The result was criticism on Bush from both sides: the gun owners who felt betrayed and the gun ban proponents who felt he did not do enough to pressure Congress into passing the AWB extension.

“There are a lot of gun owners who worked hard to put President Bush into office, and there are a lot of gun owners who feel betrayed by him,” keepandbeararms.com publisher Angel Shamaya told the New York Times. “In a secret deal, [Bush] chose his powerful friends in the gun lobby over the police officers and families he promised to protect,” said U.S. Sen. John Kerry, Bush’s opponent in the looming 2004 presidential election.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 20 2012,3:02 pm
(Botto)
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So what in your vast experience leads you to believe what GD said is so implausible?

Please, enlighten us.


Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA..

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In his 471-page report, Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 20 2012,10:52 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2012,3:02 pm)
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(Botto)
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So what in your vast experience leads you to believe what GD said is so implausible?

Please, enlighten us.


Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA..

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In his 471-page report, Horowitz referred more than a dozen people for possible department disciplinary action for their roles in Fast and Furious and a separate, earlier probe known as Wide Receiver, undertaken during the George W. Bush administration.

< http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-20...entBody >


First off, I am NOT a member of the NRA, I am though; a member of the GOA.  A much better organization than the NRA.  Second.  I am not a republican nor a democrat, I do not subscribe to any of their ideology, I see them more or less of the same cloth and two sides of the same coin.  

Anyways I digress.

Oh, I see, so a failed scheme launched under the bush admin, was more than enough to super-size a failed OP and rename it Fast and Furious?  Why would any moron in the barry admin willingly relaunch a failed OP?  These OPs serve NO PURPOSE what so ever, other than waste taxpayer dollars that could be used on more important things like, OH I don't know,...paying our troops or maybe the DEBT!!!!

There IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ASSAULT RIFLE.  No need to resurrect a failed AWB law that DID nothing and had ZERO effect.  The next agenda making its way through the courts is whittling away at the NFA.

Now, lets look at the differences between OWR and OFF shall we...


    Wide Receiver was less than one-quarter the size of Fast and Furious, involving about 500 guns.  About 450 guns made it across the border into Mexico.  Not only was Fast and Furious much larger, but it was only one of several gun walking operations launched by the Obama Administration.  In fact, intrepid CBS reporter Sharyl Attkisson says she has “found allegations of gun walking in at least 10 cities in five states.”

   Unlike the Obama Administration programs, there actually was a serious attempt made to track the Wide Receiver weapons.  Some of them were fitted with radio tracking devices.  The cartel gun buyers figured out how to defeat the tracking system by driving around in circles, until the tracking planes ran out of fuel and were forced to return to base.  Also, some of the tracking devices were damaged when ATF agents improperly inserted them into the guns.

   By contrast, one of the signature features of Obama gun walking is that absolutely no effort to track the guns was ever in place.  ATF agents have testified they were expressly ordered to stand down when they tried to follow the cartel straw purchasers.

   Special Agent In Charge Bill Newell,  That’s right – the same Phoenix ATF supervisor who became famous during the investigation of Fast and Furious was involved with Operation Wide Receiver.  He’s also the ATF agent that originally told Congress that he mentioned gun walking in a roundabout way to his old buddy Kevin O’Reilly of the White House national security staff, who he communicates with maybe three or four times a year… only to be exposed as a liar when the same document dump that put AG Holder in jeopardy of perjury charges revealed a constant stream of emails between Newell and O’Reilly, lasting over a month.

   Operation Wide Receiver was, by all accounts, shut down after its weapons dropped off the grid, and the ATF realized it had blundered.  Operation Fast and Furious was only shut down because two of its weapons were discovered at the scene of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry’s murder.  According to congressional testimony, the Terry shooting – along with the mistaken suspicion that Tucson mass murderer Jared Loughner might have been packing a Fast and Furious gun – panicked top ATF brass into halting its gun walking operations.

   The Obama Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for its huge gun walking programs.  As Kurt Hofmann of the Gun Rights Examiner notes, “At this point, we don’t seem to have any evidence that earlier ‘gunwalking’ involved the FBI, the DEA, DHS, the State Department, the IRS, and even the White House Security Council.”

   And, of course, there was no massive cover-up of Wide Receiver.  No senior Administration officials committed perjury to distance themselves from it.  The ATF was not exactly advertising the existence of the operation, or its unhappy conclusion, but that’s very different from the thick stone wall Obama and his people tried to build around their far larger and deadlier operations.


Again why anyone would resurrect a stupid and failed attempt, and then turn the whole thing into such an EPIC FAILURE, but then again not really surprising given the track record of barry's administration has been one abject EPIC FAILURE that would make carter look like a good president that knew what he was doing.

Posted by alcitizens on Sep. 21 2012,2:27 am
The Bush Justice Department cobbled together significant inter-agency co-operation for gun walking programs to make money and if something went wrong they would blame it on the Obama administration.

The inter-agency operatives praised how wonderful Operation Wide Receiver was to get the Obama Justice Department to go along with a new operation. The money made letting guns walk was amazing and it was all done in CASH. Nobody really knows how many guns were allowed to walk, how much money was made or who profited.

Then Border Agent Terry gets shot and ATF insiders start to surface pointing fingers at the Justice Department and the ATF.

I like my fictitious story better than yours.. :rofl:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 30 2012,12:26 pm
Seems Univision is running a report on FnF

The Obama administration clearly hoped that the Department of Justice’s Inspector General report on Operation Fast and Furious would be the last word on the scandal. which has been tied to hundreds of deaths in Mexico and the murders of two American law-enforcement officials. However, a new report from Univision to be broadcast tomorrow, previewed here by ABC News, may put the issue back on the front pages. One source called Univision’s findings the “holy grail” that Congressional investigators have been seeking:

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Often lost amid the rancor in Washington are the stories of dozens of people killed by guns that flowed south as part of the undercover operation, and later slipped out of view from U.S. officials. Univision’s Investigative Unit (Univision Investiga) has identified massacres committed using guns from the ATF operation, including the killing of 16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010.


The guns didn’t stop in Mexico, either:

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Additional guns, previously unreported by congressional investigators, found their way into the hands of drug traffickers across Latin America in countries such as, Honduras and Colombia, as well as the U.S. Commonwealth of Puerto Rico. A person familiar with the recent congressional hearings called Univision’s findings “the holy grail” that Congress had been searching for.


The Daily Caller also reports on Univision’s findings and the impact they may have on the scandal:

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   “The consequences of the controversial ‘Fast and Furious’ undercover operation put in place by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in 2009 have been deadlier than what has been made public to date,” the network said. “The exclusive, in-depth investigation by Univision News’ award-winning Investigative Unit — Univision Investiga — has found that the guns that crossed the border as part of Operation Fast and Furious caused dozens of deaths inside Mexico.”

   Among other groups of Fast and Furious victim stories Univision says it will tell in the special to air Sunday evening at 7 p.m., is one about how “16 young people attending a party in a residential area of Ciudad Juárez in January of 2010″ were gunned down with weapons the Obama administration gave to drug cartel criminals through Fast and Furious.

   “Univision News’ Investigative Unit was also able to identify additional guns that escaped the control of ATF agents and were used in different types of crimes throughout Mexico,” the network added. “Furthermore, some of these guns — none of which were reported by congressional investigators — were put in the hands of drug traffickers in Honduras, Puerto Rico, and Colombia. A person familiar with the recent congressional hearings called Univision’s findings ‘the holy grail’ that Congress had been searching for.”


Sharyl Attkisson at CBS News reminds us that the Obama administration is still hiding Kevin O’Reilly, a key figure in Operation Fast and Furious:

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   O’Reilly, then a White House National Security staffer, had phone and email exchanges about Fast and Furious from July 2010 to Feb. 2011 with the lead ATF official on the case: ATF Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell. Just days after Newell testified to Congress on July 26, 2011 that he’d shared information with O’Reilly, whom he described as a long time friend, O’Reilly was transferred to Iraq and not available for questioning. Thereafter, he declined interviews with congressional investigators and the IG.

   In a letter sent to O’Reilly’s attorney Thursday, Issa and Grassley state that O’Reilly’s “sudden transfer” to Iraq took him out of pocket in their investigation, and placed him in a position that had already been given to somebody else, raising “serious questions about O’Reilly’s assignment in Baghdad (and) the motivation for his transfer there.” …

   “Given that O’Reilly was the link connecting the White House to the scandal, and that the President subsequently asserted executive privilege over the documents pertaining to Fast and Furious, it is imperative that the American people get to the bottom of O’Reilly’s involvement with Fast and Furious,” says the letter to O’Reilly’s attorney.

   It goes on to say that if O’Reilly does not agree to an interview within 30 days, congressional Republicans will have no choice but to “use compulsory process” or subpoena power to require his testimony.


The Univision report will air at 7 pm ET tomorrow night, with English-language subtitles.

Gets pretty bad that a foreign news agency has to ask the tough questions or put out a investigative report, that our very own MSM should have done to begin with.  

source:
http://hotair.com/archive...furious >

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Sep. 30 2012,12:48 pm

(alcitizens @ Sep. 20 2012,3:02 pm)
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Because it all started under George W. Bush.. You know, the party of the NRA..
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Even Univision doesn't believe the barnyard residue that the Obama adminstration is shoveling I guess it takes a clown to believe a clowns tall tale, what punishment was given a retirement and a firing NOW THAT IS JUSTICE!!  Two federal agents died on duty an we get a retirement and a firing to hold people accountable for criminal actions? sound legit I don't think so.

Posted by Liberal on Sep. 30 2012,2:06 pm
Have you read the IG report, or are you just parroting crap you've heard on hate/talk radio?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 30 2012,2:14 pm

(Liberal @ Sep. 30 2012,2:06 pm)
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Have you read the IG report, or are you just parroting crap you've heard on hate/talk radio?

Yep I read it.  The IG also made note to Congress that some of the requested interviews and or documents were withheld from the investigation.  So in conclusion, this is far from being over, as Issa and Grassly zeroed in on this fact, that there are holes and missing reports from the IG.

I also chalk up the IG investigation as a cop investigating his own wrong doings and reporting on himself to IA.

Yeah, no bias in this investigation on the part of the IG.

Posted by Liberal on Sep. 30 2012,2:29 pm
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I also chalk up the IG investigation as a cop investigating his own wrong doings and reporting on himself to IA.

Yeah, no bias in this investigation on the part of the IG.


In general you don't agree with the IG because they didn't backup your crazy conspiracy theory. If they had backed up your crazy stories you'd be posting back to back quotes from the IG's report.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Sep. 30 2012,3:26 pm

(Liberal @ Sep. 30 2012,2:29 pm)
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I also chalk up the IG investigation as a cop investigating his own wrong doings and reporting on himself to IA.

Yeah, no bias in this investigation on the part of the IG.


In general you don't agree with the IG because they didn't backup your crazy conspiracy theory. If they had backed up your crazy stories you'd be posting back to back quotes from the IG's report.

Ok, keep thinking that it is a conspiracy. :crazy:

Evidence, whistleblowers, witnesses and facts prove otherwise.

Posted by Funkadelic Zombie Hunter on Oct. 01 2012,8:10 am
Univision News special involves 57 previously unreported firearms from Fast and Furious that were reportedly used in a number of murders and kidnappings

Mexican Army documents obtained exclusively by Univision News:

On January 30, 2010, a commando of at least 20 hit men parked themselves outside a birthday party of high school and college students in Villas de Salvarcar, Ciudad Juarez. Near midnight, the assassins, later identified as hired guns for the Mexican cartel La Linea, broke into a one-story house and opened fire on a gathering of nearly 60 teenagers. Outside, lookouts gunned down a screaming neighbor and several students who had managed to escape. Fourteen young men and women were killed, and 12 more were wounded before the hit men finally fled.

The Univision News report also revealed that other ATF offices outside of Arizona initiated similar gunrunning programs.

An ATF field division in Florida reportedly launched “Operation Castaway,” which put weapons in the hands of criminals in Colombia, Honduras and Venezuela, according to Hugh Crumpler, the lead informant in the case, who talked to Univision News from a prison cell.

In Texas, even more weapons were allowed to cross into Mexico under ATF supervision, according to court documents and testimony of Magdalena Avila Villalobos, the sister of an Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent who exchanged gunfire with cartel hit men alongside Jaime Zapata on a rural highway in Mexico in February 2011. Zapata was killed during the confrontation.

Their is blood on their hands the adminstrations hands

Yep...Nothing to see here move along, move along the obama adminstration will keep you safe and secure handing out trinkets while your country burns down to the ground.


What is this...

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., and Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, have pressed, unsuccessfully, for an interview with Kevin O'Reilly for a year. O'Reilly also declined to speak to the Department of Justice Inspector General (IG) who investigated Fast and Furious. Last week, the IG issued a scathing report that criticized many officials at ATF, the Justice Department and the U.S. Attorney's office and said O'Reilly had declined to be interviewed.

O'Reilly, then a White House National Security staffer, had phone and email exchanges about Fast and Furious from July 2010 to Feb. 2011 with the lead ATF official on the case: ATF Special Agent in Charge Bill Newell.

The rathole keeps getting deeper and deeper while the bodies keep piling up and up this cover up makes watergate look like amature hour at least nobody died in the watergate scandal

Just more bumps in the road obama?

Posted by irisheyes on Oct. 01 2012,8:18 am
I'm no fan of the ATF and their tendancy to be overzealous (yes, that's an understatement).  But GunWalker seems to contradict the usual gun rhetoric when it comes to crimes.  Instead of blaming the killer I always see people blaming Holder and Obama for it, the ATF, etc.  

I have yet to see a story on Gunwalker or the political pics blaming the real killers.  You have to dig around for a while to hear anything about those involved in the actual shooting.  Who are they, what happened, are Issa and Grassley investigating them and trying to make sure they're all brought to justice?  Or, are they focusing on political points.   :p

Nope, it's the fault of the Attorney General and the POTUS, the bosses, bosses, bosses, bosses, boss of the people who didn't stop the ones who bought the guns.  People get guns from others all the time, from legitimate and not so legal means, but because it's an easy way to blame the White House we're talking about subpoenas of Fast and Furious, if it wasn't that we'd still be talking about birth certificates and Rev. Wright.  Typical stuff, before it was checking a blue dress and land in Arkansas.   :;):

Simple solution for any President to avoid these kind of scandals, disband the ATF.  Alcohol and Tobacco is a public health issue more than criminal so it's not like that's a lot of manpower other than collecting taxes and such, and the firearms part I would trust more to just about any other agency in the whole alphabet soup.

Posted by MADDOG on Mar. 25 2013,12:44 pm
Looks like the DHS will have to decide which senior leaders they are going to demote again.

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WASHINGTON — Even as they lost scores of illegal firearms in their Fast and Furious operation, federal ATF agents asked their Border Patrol counterparts not to pursue criminal leads or track gun smuggling in southern Arizona so they could follow the firearms themselves, and senior Homeland Security agents “complied and the leads were not investigated,” according to a new Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s report.

The report, obtained Thursday by The Times, also said that a Homeland Security special agent on the border was collaborating with the ATF in Fast and Furious, but his “senior leaders” in Arizona never read his updates about fundamental flaws with the failed gun tracking operation. Had they done so, Homeland Security officials could have tried to close down the operation before one of their Border Patrol agents, Brian Terry, was killed not far from Tucson.
< read full article >

Posted by MADDOG on Jul. 10 2013,4:01 pm
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WASHINGTON—A high-powered rifle lost in the ATF’s Fast and Furious controversy was used to kill a Mexican police chief in the state of Jalisco earlier this year, according to internal Department of Justice records, suggesting that weapons from the failed gun-tracking operation have now made it into the hands of violent drug cartels deep inside Mexico.

A semi-automatic WASR rifle, the firearm that killed the chief, was traced back to the Lone Wolf Trading Company, a gun store in Glendale, Ariz. The notation on the Department of Justice trace records said the WASR was used in a “HOMICIDE – WILLFUL – KILL –PUB OFF –GUN” –ATF code for “Homicide, Willful Killing of a Public Official, Gun.”

Hundreds of firearms were lost in the Fast and Furious operation. The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed illegal purchasers to buy the firearms at the Lone Wolf store in the Phoenix suburb and other gun shops in hopes of tracing them to Mexican cartel leaders.

The WASR used in Jalisco was purchased on Feb. 22, 2010, about three months into the Fast and Furious operation, by 26-year-old Jacob A. Montelongo of Phoenix.

< credible source >

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jul. 10 2013,4:05 pm
These weapons are out there thanks to barry and company, and I am afraid these weapons are going to plague people for years.  smh
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on Jul. 10 2013,8:03 pm
I don't believe the Fast and Furious story whatsoever. The whole "tracking the firearms back to drug cartels". No.
Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 04 2013,5:06 pm
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< How the US gave guns to Mexican cartels >

In September 2009, John Dodson, an agent with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, was assigned to the ATF’s Phoenix office. What he found there shocked him. The bureau was encouraging gun dealers to sell weapons in bulk to known straw buyers, who would funnel those guns to Mexican drug cartels. Known as Operation Fast and Furious, it ended with the death of at least one American law enforcement officer. Dodson became a congressional whistleblower, and the investigation into the operation is ongoing. In this exclusive excerpt from his new book, “The Unarmed Truth,” Dodson explains how tragically inept Fast and Furious was.


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On Dec. 14, 2010, Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry came across a group of suspected illegal immigrants near Mexico.

He was shot and killed by an AK-47 variant rifle.

It was a gun Avila had bought in January 2010. A gun we let go.

Some politicians and the media like to think the Fast and Furious scandal is over, that we know what happened and it’s no big deal. But three years later, the White House still refuses to release all documents on the operation. Officials refuse to say who knew about the gun walking. The Mexican government say 211 people have been killed by guns from Fast and Furious, including police officers. The body count will only increase.

And Attorney General Eric Holder, despite being held in contempt by Congress, still has a job.

We gave thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels. Americans died. Where is the outrage?

Posted by Liberal on Dec. 04 2013,8:55 pm
So the "whistle blower" was motivated by a book deal just like the CBS Benghazi "witness"?
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 04 2013,11:46 pm
^You mean this?

< http://www.newsmax.com/Newsmax...8 >

Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 04 2013,11:53 pm
Fox News hammers that 4 Americans died in Benghazi over and over and over.. Bush sentenced 7000 Americans to death in Iraq and Afghanistan.. He also sent many to their deaths while he was Governor of Texas..

Just curious how many cops die every year in the line of duty and who supplied the guns that killed them..

How many people die crossing the street every year??

Maddog is full of blow.. :rofl:

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 05 2013,4:34 am
^ it's amazing how shrill the defenders of the guilty become
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 05 2013,4:39 am

(alcitizens @ Dec. 04 2013,11:53 pm)
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Fox News hammers that 4 Americans died in Benghazi over and over and over.. Bush sentenced 7000 Americans to death in Iraq and Afghanistan.. He also sent many to their deaths while he was Governor of Texas..

Just curious how many cops die every year in the line of duty and who supplied the guns that killed them..

How many people die crossing the street every year??

Or how many died by illegal guns from "Gun Walker"

Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 05 2013,6:19 am
...or even how many will die waiting for treatment in a destroyed health care system. :(
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 05 2013,6:31 am
Just one point to make.
There is NO such thing as an illegal gun/weapon.

Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 05 2013,7:33 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 05 2013,6:31 am)
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Just one point to make.
There is NO such thing as an illegal gun/weapon.

Does that include an Iranian nuke?
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 05 2013,8:28 am

(Botto 82 @ Dec. 05 2013,7:33 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 05 2013,6:31 am)
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Just one point to make.
There is NO such thing as an illegal gun/weapon.

Does that include an Iranian nuke?

I am not following here? What does an Iranian nuke have to do with the federal gun walking crime?
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 06 2013,10:53 am
Just trying to get a handle on

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There is NO such thing as an illegal gun/weapon.


AR-15? M-16? M203? M2 .50cal? Where's the cutoff? Or is there one?

Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 06 2013,11:05 am
:dunce:
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 06 2013,11:21 am
^A-effen-Men to that!
Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 06 2013,11:45 am

(Botto 82 @ Dec. 06 2013,10:53 am)
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Just trying to get a handle on

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There is NO such thing as an illegal gun/weapon.


AR-15? M-16? M203? M2 .50cal? Where's the cutoff? Or is there one?

There shouldn't be any cut off, in regards to small arms.
Posted by Botto 82 on Dec. 06 2013,11:52 am
Well, shoot, there shouldn't be any cutoff at all!

Where's my 81mm mortar? Take that, barking dog. :sarcasm: :brick:

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 06 2013,12:31 pm

(Expatriate @ Dec. 06 2013,11:05 am)
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:dunce:

Yes, because obviously there is an individual right to a service. :crazy:
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 07 2013,10:46 am

(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 06 2013,12:31 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 06 2013,11:05 am)
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:dunce:

Yes, because obviously there is an individual right to a service. :crazy:

Not to steal your thread but it’s interesting you see healthcare as a right, prior to ACA this right didn’t exist! For- profit insurers routinely dropped coverage of policy holders who became seriously sick or disabled.  Preexisting conditions made you a pariah.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Dec. 07 2013,10:56 am

(Expatriate @ Dec. 07 2013,10:46 am)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 06 2013,12:31 pm)
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(Expatriate @ Dec. 06 2013,11:05 am)
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:dunce:

Yes, because obviously there is an individual right to a service. :crazy:

Not to steal your thread but it’s interesting you see healthcare as a right, prior to ACA this right didn’t exist! For- profit insurers routinely dropped coverage of policy holders who became seriously sick or disabled.  Preexisting conditions made you a pariah.

I have NEVER seen healthcare as a right.  
The ACA did not covey a right nor does it enumerate a natural right.
The ACA is a tax.

Just as the batf(e) and really big fires, had NO right to break the law, the same very law they are charged to uphold.  Time to end the atf, repeal the nfa, gca of 68, the hughes amendment, etc.

Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 07 2013,5:17 pm

(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 07 2013,10:56 am)
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I have NEVER seen healthcare as a right.  
The ACA did not covey a right nor does it enumerate a natural right.
The ACA is a tax.

Just as the batf(e) and really big fires, had NO right to break the law, the same very law they are charged to uphold.  Time to end the atf, repeal the nfa, gca of 68, the hughes amendment, etc.

Smoking crak reduces a persons common sense.. Please try to cut back.. You'll become a better man..
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 07 2013,6:31 pm

(alcitizens @ Dec. 07 2013,5:17 pm)
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(Grinning_Dragon @ Dec. 07 2013,10:56 am)
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I have NEVER seen healthcare as a right.  
The ACA did not covey a right nor does it enumerate a natural right.
The ACA is a tax.

Just as the batf(e) and really big fires, had NO right to break the law, the same very law they are charged to uphold.  Time to end the atf, repeal the nfa, gca of 68, the hughes amendment, etc.

Smoking crak reduces a persons common sense.. Please try to cut back.. You'll become a better man..

So those weeks at Hazeldon helped, huh? :dunce:
Posted by alcitizens on Dec. 07 2013,9:50 pm

(Self-Banished @ Dec. 07 2013,6:31 pm)
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So those weeks at Hazeldon helped, huh? :dunce:

This video of you and your friends is proof that some people just can't be helped.. :rofl: :sarcasm:  


Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2013,5:26 am
^no video, moron
Posted by Expatriate on Dec. 08 2013,9:27 am
^it works SB, your system must be blocking it.
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 08 2013,10:32 am
^I'll take your word for it, I'm probably not missing much considering it's from Alky.
Posted by MADDOG on Dec. 11 2013,4:21 pm
It's hard to imagine what kind of person would try to use a graphic video like this one and then laugh about it. (sic)
Posted by Self-Banished on Dec. 11 2013,7:05 pm
^ wow! now I'm curious, is this a video of Alky with the sheep?
Posted by MADDOG on Jan. 14 2014,11:57 am
The ATFBE seems to be continuing its rogue operations domestically too.  This time using mentally challenged people across the U.S.

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< ATF uses rogue tactics in storefront stings across nation >

Earlier this year when the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel exposed a botched ATF sting in Milwaukee — that included agents hiring a brain-damaged man to promote an undercover storefront and then arresting him forhis work — ATF officials told Congress the failed Milwaukee operation was an isolated case of inadequate supervision.

It wasn't.

The Journal Sentinel reviewed thousands of pages of court records, police reports and other documents and interviewed dozens of people involved in six ATF operations nationwide that were publicly praised by the ATF in recent years for nabbing violent criminals and making cities safer.

Agents with the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives employed rogue tactics similar to those used in Milwaukee in every operation, from Portland, Ore., to Pensacola, Fla.

Among the findings:

■ ATF agents befriended mentally disabled people to drum up business and later arrested them in at least four cities in addition to Milwaukee. In Wichita, Kan., ATF agents referred to a man with a low IQ as "slow-headed" before deciding to secretly use him as a key cog in their sting. And agents in Albuquerque, N.M., gave a brain-damaged drug addict with little knowledge of weapons a "tutorial" on machine guns, hoping he could find them one.

■ Agents in several cities opened undercover gun- and drug-buying operations in safe zones near churches and schools, allowed juveniles to come in and play video games and teens to smoke marijuana, and provided alcohol to underage youths. In Portland, attorneys for three teens who were charged said a female agent dressed provocatively, flirted with the boys and encouraged them to bring drugs and weapons to the store to sell.

■ As they did in Milwaukee, agents in other cities offered sky-high prices for guns, leading suspects to buy firearms at stores and turn around and sell them to undercover agents for a quick profit. In other stings, agents ran fake pawnshops and readily bought stolen items, such as electronics and bikes — no questions asked — spurring burglaries and theft. In Atlanta, agents bought guns that had been stolen just hours earlier, several ripped off from police cars.

■ Agents damaged buildings they rented for their operations, tearing out walls and rewiring electricity — then stuck landlords with the repair bills. A property owner in Portland said agents removed a parking lot spotlight,damaging her new $30,000 roof and causing leaks, before they shut down the operation and disappeared without a way for her to contact them.

■ Agents pressed suspects for specific firearms that could fetch tougher penalties in court. They allowed felons to walk out of the stores armed with guns. In Wichita, agents suggested a felon take a shotgun, saw it off and bring it back — and provided instructions on how to do it. The sawed-off gun allowed them to charge the man with a more serious crime.

■ In Pensacola, the ATF hired a felon to run its pawnshop. The move widened the pool of potential targets, boosting arrest numbers.Even those trying to sell guns legally could be charged if they knowingly sold to a felon. The ATF's pawnshop partner was later convicted of pointing a loaded gun at someone outside a bar. Instead of a stiff sentence typically handed down to repeat offenders in federal court, he got six months in jail — and a pat on the back from the prosecutor.

"To say this is just a few people, a few bad apples, I don't buy it," said David Harris, a professor at the University of Pittsburgh School of Law and an expert on law enforcement tactics and regulation. "If your agency is in good shape with policy, training, supervision and accountability, the bad apples will not be able to take things to this level."



There is a whole lot more in this story so be sure to click on this link and the many provided in the story.

Posted by Grinning_Dragon on Jan. 21 2014,9:16 pm
Don't worry, with a guy like this, all of the gun problems will be a thing of the past.   :rofl:

:rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

Posted by MADDOG on Nov. 22 2014,11:53 am
I just received this link from a friend of the forum.


< Fast & Furious Documents Released >

There are a boat load of files that were releases by the DOJ.  It's a shame that this piece of $#&% administration has to be dealt with in this manner.  You know, the most transparent administration ever?

I think it would be easier to deal directly with a mob boss than Bambino.  Wait, I think we are.

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