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ATF agent Jay Dobyn speaks out
Dobyns, who shot to fame when he infiltrated the Hell’s Angels for the ATF said the DoJ has been involved in “a huge cover-up” over the Fast and Furious scandal.
Under the schemes, “straw buyers” were allowed to buy about 2,000 weapons, even though agents knew they would end up in the hands of Mexican cartel leaders. The plan was to track the guns so they would lead to the drug kingpins. But the plan went disastrously wrong and most of the guns disappeared. Weapons involved in the scheme have been linked to numerous murders in Mexico and the killing of U.S. Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry, who died in December.
Dobyns said, “They don’t want this case and the details of it and the flawed strategy being exposed to the public I hold Eric Holder accountable for that because he is the attorney general, he is the leader of the Department of Justice, he oversees the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
“He either knew about it and didn’t do anything to stop it or he didn’t know about it and then ‘why are you asleep at the wheel when something like this is taking place?’ “
Just last week, Jesus Rejon Aguilar, an alleged founder of one of the most violent cartels, the Zetas gang, admitted to Mexican authorities, “All the weapons are bought in the United States,” adding, “Even the American government was selling the weapons.”
Aguilar was arrested on July 3. Among his alleged crimes is the murder of U.S. immigration officer Jaime Zapata, who was killed in February while on special assignment near San Luis Potosi in central Mexico. “Whatever you want, you can get,” Aguilar said in a videotaped interrogation with Mexican authorities.
Dobyns said ATF acting Director Kenneth Melson, who has told Congressional investigators that the DoJ tried to stop him giving evidence, also has to bear his share of the blame.
“Acting director or not, this is his baby,” said Dobyns, who wrote the New York Times bestseller “No Angel” about his Hell’s Angels investigation. “This took place on his watch.
“A U.S. Border Patrol agent called Brian Terry was murdered with guns that passed through an ATF operation. ICE agent Jaime Zapata was murdered with guns that allegedly came through this case. Hundreds of Mexican civilians, police officers, police chiefs have been murdered. A Mexican police helicopter was shot down with a gun that came through our control,” he pointed out.
Dobyns said Melson’s comment that he “felt sick to his stomach” when he learned the full extent of the schemes was “insulting.”
“It should be a little bit worse than that. It should be worse than a little bit of a sickening, nauseating feeling for him,” he said. “That is not good enough.”
Dobyns said ATF has a culture where mistakes are covered up rather than investigated. “It’s institutional arrogance,” he said. “The people that run the agency believe they are above the law, they believe they can do whatever they want.”
And he said current agents have no faith in the current leadership, which makes it even more imperative that Holder, Melson, and others at the top should be forced out if they won’t resign. “There are leaders that are committed to the mission, that know how to get the mission done. Unfortunately, those guys get buried.
“New blood with a sense of purpose and knowledge of what takes place on the street needs to be put in place.” When that happens, he said the enthusiasm of officers will return. “They want to go do their job, they just want to do it the right way.”
Last week, Issa and his Senate counterpart, Charles Grassley of Iowa, warned Holder not to fire Melson, as he had come forward with information that seemed to implicate the DoJ in a cover-up over the twin gunrunning schemes.
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Posted on: Jul. 13 2011,11:01 pm |
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Did Fast & Furious violate the Arms Export Control Act?
Posted by David Hardy · 12 July 2011 07:51 PM
First, the Arms Export Control Act, 22 USC §2778..[http://www.law.corne...e/22/2778.html] It authorizes the President to define defense articles and regulate their export. In so doing, he must consider the possibility that export could "support international terrorism, increase the possibility of outbreak or escalation of conflict..."
Those defense articles may not be exported without a permit, issued by the Secretary of State ( Department of State guidelines here [http://www.pmddtc.st...s_Firearms.pdf]), "except that no license shall be required for exports or imports made by or for an agency of the United States Government
( A ) for official use by a department or agency of the United States Government, or
( B ) for carrying out any foreign assistance or sales program authorized by law and subject to the control of the President by other means."
The firearms involved here were not being exported for official use by an agency, nor as part of foreign aid. This a lot narrower than the GCA exception for acts by a government agency, and for good reason: the purpose of this statute is to control executive agency actions. No gun running to foreign governments or persons without a paper trail (and in cases of large transactions, a prior request for Congressional approval).
Any person who willfully violates these provisions "shall upon conviction be fined for each violation not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both."
There have been some reports of agents having directly transferred firearms to drug cartel buyers, in order to boost their "street creds." That'd clearly be a violation. In other situations, the person who actually exported the firearms would be in clear violation. But what of those government supervisors who allowed the arms to flow -- especially the cases where a protesting FFL was told to sell the guns anyway?
18 U.S. Code §2 [http://www.law.corne...2----000-.html] provides:
"§ 2. Principals
( a ) Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission, is punishable as a principal.
( b ) Whoever willfully causes an act to be done which if directly performed by him or another would be an offense against the United States, is punishable as a principal."
Sure looks like it did.
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Posted on: Jul. 14 2011,11:37 pm |
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House Vote Derails Obama Gun Reporting Scheme
No funding for reporting!
Houston, Tx --(Ammoland.com)- BATF, on its own, does not have the authority to expand reporting on the sale of semi-automatic rifles.
The proposal was similar to multiple handgun sales reporting requirements which passed with the Brady Bill years ago. The threatened change would implement special reporting requirements for FFL dealers selling more than one semi-automatic rifle to a person within a 5 days and would effect Southwestern states that border Mexico: Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California.
The new requirement were expected to force ATF to generate 18,000 new reports in a year, not possible without additional funds and staff. Also, no one has any idea how this newly gathered information might be used. The acting president of the Brady Campaign last week characterized the additional burden for gun dealers and ATF as a “modest burden”.
NRA promised a lawsuit to fight any attempt by the Obama administration to implement long gun reporting requirements by executive order.
Whether the Obama administration and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder believed this could be done by executive decree or not is an unknown but the possibility was cut off at the pass today in Congress.
A Republican backed amendment to the 2012 Commerce, Justice and Science appropriations bill was offered by Montana Congressman Denny Rehberg. The amendment prohibited the use of Justice Department funding to enforce this new mandate. The amendment passed 25-16.
There is also speculation that the Obama administration used the diversion of the new reporting scheme as a smoke screen to distract attention from the growing scandal centered on botched gun trafficking stings which came to light in Mexico when drug cartel gunmen were found to have thousands of semi-automatic firearms provided by the U.S. government and walked across the border to lure cartel members. The government sting called “Fast and Furious” might be better label “Something and Far from Home” as U.S. agents and U.S. citizens were put in harm’s way and netted few if any arrests.
More such “gun-walking” stings have come to light in Arizona.
Add to this, Fox News in Tampa reported on July 10th, that leaders of a transnational organized crime gang, Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13, ordered a hit on a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agent in New York.
The Fox report went on to say that BATF, the Tampa Division, operated a gun-running investigation which involved “walking guns” into Honduras. Using tactics similar to Fast and Furious, 1,000 guns were sold to the MS 13 gang buyers. Again, these guns are being used against our agents and our citizens.
Second Amendment rights will not be sacrificed to drug lords and criminals hiding in Mexico, a country with a historically corrupt government and whose citizens are prohibited gun-ownership by their country’s laws.
Any attempt by this administration to establish new law, either by administrative rules, executive order, or through Congress, will not be forgotten in the coming elections.
Also UNCONSTITUTIONAL to implement this via EO.
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2011,9:46 pm |
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Democrats to Introduce Gun Control Legislation Today
Democrat Representatives Maloney, Cummings and McCarthy, all members of the Minority on the House Oversight Committee chaired by Republican Congressman Issa, plan to hold a press conference tomorrow to announce new gun control anti-gun trafficking legislation in light of Operation Fast and Furious. The "Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act," is designed to "keep high powered firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals, including Mexican drug cartels."
U.S. Representatives Carolyn B. Maloney (D-NY), Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), ranking member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, and Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) will join other members and a leading law enforcement organization for an event Friday, July 15th, 11:00 a.m. at the House Triangle to introduce the “Stop Gun Trafficking and Strengthen Law Enforcement Act,” which establishes a dedicated firearms trafficking statute to empower law enforcement to keep high-powered firearms out of the hands of dangerous criminals, including Mexican drug cartels.
So let me get this straight, democrats want to punish law abiding Americans and impede on Second Amendment rights with new legislation "to prevent gun trafficking to Mexico," however, aren't willing to focus on the ATF and DOJ's role in deliberately putting high powered firearms into the hands of criminals including Mexican drug cartels? It doesn't matter how many gun control laws we have on the books if the federal government is willing to break them to push a political agenda, however, this is not surprising.
“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated.” –Special Agent John Dodson ATF Phoenix Field Division.
Damning new evidence from Capitol Hill shows that ATF Directors and Justice Department Officials knew about and encouraged the purposeful trafficking of thousands of weapons across the southern border, despite strong objections from ATF agents. Thousands of innocent lives were taken as the result, including those of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and ICE Agent Jamie Zapata.
The announcement of new legislation comes just a day after Townhall obtained emails showing Operation Fast and Furious was designed to promote gun control and four days after the DOJ Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who is under investigation for his involvement in the scandal, released new reporting requirements for multiple sales of certain semi-automatic rifles.
I don't think this legislation has much of a chance to make it through the house, and for good reason too. This is a lame and UNCONSTITUTIONAL POS legislation.
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Posted on: Jul. 15 2011,10:16 pm |
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Posting by an ATF agent
Latest word is FBI and DEA have been told to make plans for folding ATF into their agencies. Arson and Explosives will go to FBI. Gun enforcement and Industry Ops will go to DEA. At this point, it might be the best thing. Currently, ATF will have to lay off 400 employees if they go to 2008 budget constraints. No money for operations, just survival. I know DEA and FBI have their own problems, but at least they have more room to hide the idiots. ATF promotes theirs. Of course, we are much better at eating our own. This might be the end of ATF. As a gun owner and a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment, I worry about the gun laws if the authority goes to the FBI. DEA might be a better fit. ATF gets pushed around by the NRA. They keep saying we have been without a director for 6 years, but it was Truscott before that, so... it has been a lot time since ATF had a truly strong director or accountability. I fear the only thing that will happen if ATF stays intact is the top people will be removed and their minions will take their place. Same type of people with different faces. No real changes. We also heard that Virginia O'Brien really did let guns go to Honduras. I don't know if that means they watched suspected straw purchasers buy guns and didn't confront them or they actually had UCs or CIs hand gun to traffickers. Of course, HQ is saying that Dodson while undercover actually handed guns purchased with agent cashier funds to firearms traffickers in another case prior to F&F. That is why he was in trouble in the first place and he is only trying to deflect attention away from his own misdeeds. It will be nice if he testifies again and he can set the record straight and show how the 5th floor tries to slander people. What is next, Dobyns shot Kennedy and Vince faked the moon landings.
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,12:10 am |
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What's his name?
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,12:14 am |
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I don't know, he just goes by the screen name ATFTruthTeller as he wishes to remain anonymous, other than that he has 20+ yrs of service.
I guess I don't blame him for not wanting to reveal his name, as retribution might ensue.
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,10:16 am |
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The latest from Proceso Digital: ATF did not inform Honduran government of "walked" firearms.
Original Article
Translation:
Guns Trafficking: Defense and Security Unknown Operation in Honduras
July 14, 2011
Tegucigalpa – In Honduras, the Ministers of Defense and of Security, Marlon Pascua and Oscar Alvarez, said they had no idea that there was present in this Central American country the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) which had organized an operation to infiltrate guns into Honduras using the same tactics of “Operation Fast and Furious” in Mexico.
“We have no idea of the truth of the same, but I can assure you, and we have been insisting for some time, is that the guns that have been appearing here in Honduras and the guns that have been directed to the drug cartels in Mexico and in Colombia, are not guns that have originated from armories of the armed forces nor of the police.”
Reports from the Fox News Network earlier this week indicate that there are reports that the ATF established an operation using the same techniques and tactics as in “Operation Fast and Furious.” The journalistic history by Mike Vanderboegh indicates that his sources in the ATF in Tampa indicate that 1,000 of these guns were sold to gang members in Honduras.
On this subject, Security Minister Oscar Alvarez said that they were not advised of the operation that the ATF would have carried out in Honduras in which, he said, there never was any coordination, either.
“At no time have we been advised, nor have we had any request for any kind of coordination much less have I been in communication with the embassy of the United States here in Tegucigalpa, he emphasized.
Regarding the seizures of arsenals in Honduras, he said that they are going “to analyze the serial numbers and check with technicians in the United States so we can find out where these batches of guns came from,” said Alvarez, in a way that left room for not ruling out the ATF operation in Honduras.
In September of 2010, A. Brian Albritton, an attorney from the United States, held a press conference dealing with those charged in Operation Castaway (four of them Hondurans). At the same time he affirmed that the investigation revealed that guns were trafficked to Honduras so that they could later be distributed to drug trafficking cartels and paramilitary groups.
Albritton affirmed that he did not know if the gun trafficking in question was part of an ATF operation.
Honduras – United States: Unveil Details of Gun Trafficking
July 12, 2011
Author of the article: Digital Process
Tegucigalpa – According to a Fox News report on Sunday, July 10, there are reports that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in its Tampa division, organized an operation to infiltrate guns into Honduras using the techniques and tactics of “Operation Fast and Furious.”
In the article, Mike Vanderboegh, the journalist who uncovered the history [link to Sipsey Street’s current page], said that his sources in the Tampa office of the ATF indicate that 1,000 guns were sold to members of Honduran gangs.
(MBV: 1000 is an overall guess by one source. 200 is certain.)
On September 21, 2010, attorney A. Brian Albritton had a news conference dealing with those charged in Operation Castaway (four of them Hondurans). At the same time he revealed that guns were trafficked to Honduras so they could later be distributed to drug trafficking gangs and paramilitary groups.
Albritton affirmed that he did not know that the trafficked guns in question were part of the ATF operation.
Following is a rough translation by Digital Process of the relevant extracts of the press conference:
The United States Justice Department’s Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), the Immigration and Customs Enforcement Service (ICE) announce the results of an international investigation into the trafficking of firearms.
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According to court records, a group of accused connected with Hugh Crumpler III engaged in an important gun trafficking operation. Crumpler has trafficked over five years 1,000 guns to various groups and the accused have exported these guns in Central and South America and Puerto Rico.
Seems this rabbit hole is getting deeper, just how deep does it go?
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,1:01 pm |
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So you really don't know if that clown is even an ATF agent? For all you know it could be me posting that stuff. 
Do you think everyone that believes in these conspiracies are maybe just a little gullible?
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Posted on: Jul. 16 2011,4:44 pm |
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(Liberal @ Jul. 16 2011,1:01 pm)
QUOTE So you really don't know if that clown is even an ATF agent? For all you know it could be me posting that stuff. Do you think everyone that believes in these conspiracies are maybe just a little gullible?
I see, so anyone who is going to make ripples on a message board HAS to use their real name. And some of the people here must be fake as well since they don't use their real name either when pointing out things that might get them a little flack at work. Or is it a different standard between lil ol Albert Lea, and someone who works for the Federal govt?
When I blast my company for the BS that they do, or to make fun of a supervisor, to draw attention to something illegal that the company is doing, or just to cause problems, I use a screen name, mainly because I don't want to get called into the boss's office and have to explain myself and the whole dumb "you are not a team player" BS.
If he wasn't on the up and up on the ATF forum, they would have called him out by now, he is privy to alot of SOP and internal workings at the ATF and has posted some quite interesting things about his superiors.
And you seem to think this is all a conspiracy huh? 
Are you that blind to the evidence that has been submitted to Grassly and Issa by ATF agents and now Melson (who by the way is the acting director for ATF).
You must like the current actions of the ATF for you to doubt this scandal. But go on, and live a lie, govt is father, govt is mother, govt loves you.
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