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(White Pride @ Aug. 29 2008,3:44 pm)
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(Swede @ Aug. 29 2008,2:56 pm)
QUOTE I could just vomit !  So go vomit! Wanting someone to "choke his chicken" isn't disgusting! Most people call it forplay!
Probably talking about what happened to the elders at Good Sam's by the people who were trusted to care for them..
If you want to call "choking his chicken" with an 80 year old man foreplay, have at, just keep it to yourself.
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,5:15 pm |
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QUOTE Freeborn County Attorney releases ages of alleged Good Sam perpetrators
Nelson said he cannot release names
By Sarah Stultz | Albert Lea Tribune
Published Friday, August 29, 2008
Out of the four teenagers who could likely be charged with alleged abuse at Good Samaritan Society in Albert Lea, two would have clearly been adults the time of the incidents, Freeborn County Attorney Craig Nelson said Friday. These two are the focus of his investigation.
Nelson told the Tribune the birthdates of the five teenage nursing assistants who were under investigation by authorities.
Out of the five teenagers, four are now 18 and one is 19 and all live in greater Albert Lea, he said. All would have gone to Albert Lea High School.
He would not specify which teenagers’ birthdates corresponded with the four girls who a Minnesota Department of Health report concluded were involved in verbal, sexual and emotional abuse of residents at the nursing home in Albert Lea.
He also would not release the names of the alleged perpetrators. He said he needs to file charges before their names can be released.
“My position at this time is to continue to read these two documents together and to confirm information that is common between the two of them that I might be able to use at the time of a criminal trial and for the basis of charges,” Nelson said.
He is “a ways away from being able to charge the Good Sam cases,” he said.
“I need to have my ducks in a row in a fashion that I can have a clear handle on everything from the get-go.”
Nelson said he anticipates that the case will be a hard one to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in court because of how many different stories the alleged perpetrators told authorities and because of the lack of concrete evidence and actual witnesses.
All of the investigation taken together in total is obscure, he said, with much vagueness in some parts.
“The level of how this could have happened,” Nelson said. “They obviously did not have empathy for the people they saw. They didn’t know what they were like before the Alzheimer’s or the dementia — that they were capable, contributing, even outstanding members of the community.”
The four girls the Department of Health identified in its report are no longer employed at the nursing home. The fifth girl was also fired from the nursing home for unrelated circumstances.
I hope the familys of the residents involved push for the harshest charges possible in this case.
But I see his point of lack of evidence and the victims can't speak for themselves. Makes this one a tough one. Stupid girls will probably get away with it.
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,7:23 pm |
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For those that read the report, some of the patients died shortly after. Did these aids help contribute to their death for the abuse these patients endured? Murder charges may be in order.
I still would like to know where the nurses and supervison was during all of this. Behind a desk I am sure. Reminds me of our clinic.
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,7:49 pm |
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I worked their as a teenage and as a young woman-it was pure hell! They couldn't pay me to put someone I love in there.....maybe someone I don't like though, no probably not them either...unless they really pissed me off
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,8:21 pm |
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Truly heartbreaking...most of you probably already know how I feel about this...there is NO EXCUSE for ABUSE!
Good Sam is a fairly large facility yet a "contained" environment and employees "overheard" statements that I would consider a huge concern for the safety and well being of those residents.
Why did it take so long before someone actually did something??? Does the same theory of "people not wanting to get involved" apply to this also? Just curious what others thoughts on the matter is.
There really isn't any laws that I know of where charges of emotional or verbal abuse carry much merit. The sexual abuse part, yes and some of the things reported I would also consider physical abuse.
It would be nice if these abusers would get assault charges, physical and sexual and to also have to register as sex offenders. Where do people get the idea that it's okay to treat others this way? Dayum...it's just sick & disgusting!
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,9:30 pm |
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This makes me soooooo sad. Truely, what are we doing? Are we raising these monsters? What the heck is going on? These are the most volunerable people and instead of putting them on a pedestal and showing them the respect they deserve and have earned by a lifetime of stories and accomplishments we pay people to care for them and pay these people sooooo little that an adult can't raise his own family on it. So what are you left with....? Kids,,,,thats what. Uneducated, kids that don't have respect for anyone much less themselves.
My mom is a CNA, she's 60 years old and LOVES her job. She and many like her that work in this field deserve an applause and a heartfelt thank you for the wonderful work they do for our older generation. But these few bad apples.............they need to answer for there actions and be prosecuted. These girls (I'm assuming their girls) need counceling, community service hours and somehow.......find common decency and empathy within themselves. God help us all if this is what we have to look forward to in this generation of kids. I personally hope and believe that they are the minority...............I hope.
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,9:48 pm |
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Okay I have a question.
If these girls are prosecuted and found guilty, because of the sexual abuse alligations, wouldn't they have to register as sex offenders, no matter what their age??
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,11:06 pm |
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I am surprised these girls names have not leaked out already. I also have to wonder what the parents of these girls are thinking or doing? I can't imagine how I would feel if one of my children did something like this.
It doesn't sound like the girls will be prosecuted at all. Craig Nelson claims he doesn't have enough evidence. Where have I heard that before?
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White Pride
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Posted on: Aug. 29 2008,11:44 pm |
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(ICU812 @ Aug. 29 2008,4:02 pm)
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(White Pride @ Aug. 29 2008,3:44 pm)
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(Swede @ Aug. 29 2008,2:56 pm)
QUOTE I could just vomit ! So go vomit! Wanting someone to "choke his chicken" isn't disgusting! Most people call it forplay! Probably talking about what happened to the elders at Good Sam's by the people who were trusted to care for them.. If you want to call "choking his chicken" with an 80 year old man foreplay, have at, just keep it to yourself.
I see you kinda took that in the wrong way....
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I'm an ENGLISH speaking white GERMAN-AMERICAN, and DAMN PROUD OF IT!
What bothers people more... the fact others disagree w/them, or that the others just might be right after all?
If you're being stupid, acting stupid, or just plain stupid, I will not hesitate to let u know!
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busybee
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Posted on: Aug. 30 2008,12:46 am |
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QUOTE If these girls are prosecuted and found guilty, because of the sexual abuse alligations, wouldn't they have to register as sex offenders, no matter what their age??
I think that it would have to depend upon the charges, and to what degree (felony vs gross misdemeanor), if any. I know nothing about employee-vulnerable adults laws, so I have no idea.
I know when I wrote that the sexual misconduct should require that whoever did it would have to register as a sex offender, I was wishfully thinking.
Any type of sexual abuse is about power and control. The way the reports reads, for sure at least one person described in this situation had chosen their victims....very carefully, because the pay off in doing that is the personal satisfaction of having power and control while getting away with it.
These are the type of people who aren't even mentally ill, which some people might believe to be true, when in fact it is not. A mentally ill person would do that to anyone if they had the chance or opportunity, at random. A mentally ill person wouldn't care if the person was capable or vulnerable.
To me, I see an abuser, 100% and I would wish for this person to be accountable for that choice in behavior 100%. Abusers are very good at what they do and that's why so often we see no accountability, little or no charges, and the abuse will continue until finally they get caught, mostly because they become careless in their abuse as it continues to escalate over time.
We're talking about a young woman here who purposely was verbally, emotionally, physically and sexually abusive to vulnerable elderly adults with Alzheimer's who had no way to defend themselves.
One has to wonder....what future abusive behavior will she display? What about when/if she has children or if she does already? Children are vulnerable. She will probably even choose a significant other that will tolerate her power, control and abuse.
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