While I cannot completely disagree with the first part of your post, in sure even you can grasp the original intent of this thread. If you want to start a topic on that feel free, but don't hijack the well intentions of those of us that want to honor those who chose to serve, 99% of whom had no decision making powers in what/ where to invade. Even you, in your hate filled state, must be able to comprehend that! That is what truly saddens me about your disgust, that you are putting it on the wrong shoulders. Please do not denigrate those who put something above themselves for this great country.
While I don’t support America’s wars I do support Veterans. You may see my protest as unpatriotic and not belonging in a memorial thread, but this is the place for it, when we see all those white stones of soldiers who gave their lives we have to wonder, what for, was it worth it? I thought Vietnam was about craziness but our recent excursion into Iraq and Afghanistan are real insanity on a National scale.
In 1971 I was on a plane coming back to the States after my Asian Vacation, thank you Uncle Sam, unlike the movies most of US returning servicemen were quite, most slept for the first time in a year, all were thankful we weren’t riding in one of the many silver military caskets stacked in the cargo bay of the plane. We landed in California and bused to Oakland, those of US who had the time in to ETS were discharged at 3AM back into the world.
I see no Glory in war, only our stupidity for glorifying it, if we could ask those young men who gave their lives was it worth it, what do you think they’d say! Maybe we had to become involved in WW2 and I’m not even sure about that, but we should have never never sacrificed our servicemen in the insanity that’s happened in the last 50 years.
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I agree. Honor them for their sacrifices, and honor them by calling out their murderers. Honor them by trying to stop any more of the insanity brought about by greedy liars.
EDIT- Not sure what happened with the video or link, but hopefully this link works out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsFJsvwSU0k
At one point Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office. He said: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere."
After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. Bush said "Nope. No weapons over there." Then another picture of Bush searching in his office. He said "Maybe under here."
According to the Nation’s David Corn many of the journalists at the dinner laughed throughout the skit.
But the Daily News is reporting that the families of soldiers killed in Iraq are not laughing.
Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called Operation LZ.
My salute to all who served.
-------------- Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
With all due respect Maddog, I don't read any disrespect or distaste for soldiers coming from Expat's words. I only see it directed towards the liars who are responsible for all the deaths of soldiers.
I don't see the Vietnam War as being about freedom and democracy. The Vietnamese didn't want to be under French rule any more. They wanted freedom and democracy from the French. The Vietnamese were living under conditions pretty much like every single other foreign controlled colony in the world has ended up being. - Conditions which are not good. They tried for many years to get help, even from the US, to get freedom from French rule. They even wrote up a Declaration of Independence which sounds a lot like ours. The US backed the French. Then started screaming about Communism.
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According to Eisenhower, communist victory in Indochina would have far-reaching consequences. “Now let us assume that we lose Indochina. If Indochina goes, several things happen right away. The Malay Peninsula, that last little bit of land hanging on down there, would be scarcely defensible. The tin and tungsten that we so greatly value from that area would cease coming.” One by one, other Asian nations would be toppled. “So you see, somewhere along that line, this must be blocked and it must be blocked now.”
Then knowingly lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. All very similar to how we got into Iraq. Were you able to watch the video I linked to? The only time the US wants to help citizens of another country is when their government doesn't play nice with us.
How many years were vets lied to about the effects of Agent Orange? They lied us into war and they kept lying after. And they keep on doing it. As devastating as war is to our soldiers and their loved ones, it's just as horrible for the innocent people of the countries we destroy. I don't mean any disrespect to our soldiers, but in my opinion, war is worse for the citizens of the countries we destroy. So many innocent babies, children, elderly killed or seriously injured for the rest of their lives. So many Americans (even some in this forum) who never knew anyone killed on 9-11, have so much anger and hatred towards EVERYONE in the middle east. Can anyone imagine what it must be like for people who have lost their whole families? Or have watched loved ones suffering because of our policies and wars? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
Our government is the biggest, baddest, most well-funded terrorist organization in the world.
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Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called Operation LZ.
My salute to all who served.
There you go again with that catch phrase “Freedom” who’s freedom? None of these wars we were lied into in the last 50 years endangered our freedom, they had nothing to do with national defense! It’s about Money for the few who enrich themselves while the soldier bleeds, but they pump their patriotic catch phrases to the weak-minded!
Have you ever been in a real military hospital filled with young men missing limbs, eyes, in broken crippled burnt bodies with broken sprit? Have you ever seen row after row of those silver caskets stacked up outside a military mortuary because soldiers were being killed faster then the mortuary could process them?
As for me, the circumstance of my service may have hardened me, made me resentful of those who think soldiers are an expendable commodity to be exchanged for corporate profits! But what it really did was motivate me to say no more madness!
No one ever spit on me or called me baby killer, I traveled all over the States in uniform, the first insult I ever received on my Military Service was maddog’s “POS”
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I must agree, Expat. has every right to tell his story. MD, I don't know if you have any military experience, obviously, Expat does. Don't judge a man til you have traveled in his shoes.
I must agree, Expat. has every right to tell his story. MD, I don't know if you have any military experience, obviously, Expat does. Don't judge a man til you have traveled in his shoes.
I'll withdraw my comment.
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"Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS"
-------------- Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called Operation LZ.
My salute to all who served.
P.o.s. chickenhawk that would have rathered stayed home and smoked weed questioning a combat vet's patriotism? That's the lowest thing I've ever seen on this forum. Screw you and your phoney ass patriotism. You're just another republican chickenhawk.
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Remember boys and girls,