Topic: MEMORIAL DAY
started by: MADDOG
Posted by MADDOG on May 26 2007,6:43 am
Many of you this weekend have people that were close to you that you will be honoring this weekend.Perhaps this is a place to do that.
< Blue Angels >
Posted by hairhertz on May 26 2007,7:10 am
Thank you, veterans!
Posted by grassman on May 26 2007,10:35 am
Posted by MADDOG on May 26 2013,8:07 pm
As we prepare to honor those that have fallen protecting our freedoms and the Constitution, enjoy an annual tradition with the Blue Angels.You won't be seeing the show this year. This year, the Royal Canadian CF-18 will provide the show.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2013,6:31 am
For my Dad and my friend Cliff who are gone now, thankyou.
Posted by Expatriate on May 27 2013,12:03 pm
We live by strange morals where legalized homicide is condoned in the name of freedom.Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan were no threat to this nation, it’s all about commerce packaged and sold as Freedom to the common rube!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2013,2:03 pm
(Expatriate @ May 27 2013,12:03 pm)
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We live by strange morals where legalized homicide is condoned in the name of freedom.
Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan were no threat to this nation, it’s all about commerce packaged and sold as Freedom to the common rube!
Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan were no threat to this nation, it’s all about commerce packaged and sold as Freedom to the common rube!
Wow, to bring politics into this thread before the day is even done, the Americans who served and those who gave everything don't deserve this, they did what was asked of them.
Expat, you really need to sit down and stfu.
What a POS you are.
Posted by Expatriate on May 28 2013,10:17 am
^The truth stands the test of time, the deaths of these young men has been a tragedy a direct result of failed Empire Building!National Defense has it’s place, but the key word here is DEFENSE not Commerce.
If you didn’t have that debilitating pilonidal cyst you could have fulfilled your military obligation and had the chance to have your
name on a monument, you STFU!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 28 2013,11:29 am
^ 
Posted by MADDOG on May 28 2013,2:55 pm
I can see there is no honor left here after expat is done pi$$in' all over the floor. Some things just can't be house-broken.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 28 2013,4:20 pm
Only the dead have seen the end of war.- George Santayana
Posted by Glad I Left on May 24 2015,8:45 am
I get the pleasure of working up at Camp Ripley this weekend providing support for some exercises going on between here and Ft. Sill and someplace in Idaho. I took the time this morning to drive around the Minnesota State Veterans Cemetery next door and snap some pix and pay my respects to our fallen heroes.I know many of you on here served, and although we may disagree on some political issues, I think we all agree that serving this great country is a noble deed.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Posted by grassman on May 24 2015,9:26 am
(Glad I Left @ May 24 2015,8:45 am)
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I get the pleasure of working up at Camp Ripley this weekend providing support for some exercises going on between here and Ft. Sill and someplace in Idaho. I took the time this morning to drive around the Minnesota State Veterans Cemetery next door and snap some pix and pay my respects to our fallen heroes.
I know many of you on here served, and although we may disagree on some political issues, I think we all agree that serving this great country is a noble deed.
Have a great weekend everyone!
I know many of you on here served, and although we may disagree on some political issues, I think we all agree that serving this great country is a noble deed.
Have a great weekend everyone!
Are you participating in those exercises that was advertised in the paper? They needed civilians for up to 12 hours a day.
Posted by Glad I Left on May 24 2015,9:53 am
No. I am up here as paid support from my company for radio comm's.There are a lot of people here from the lakes area/St. Cloud that are providing support though. Good money if you can get in. All sorts of people are here... IT, network, radio techs, network engineers. They do have a lot of clerical work too.
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,11:23 am
Posted by Glad I Left on May 24 2015,2:53 pm
Really? How inappropriate. I expected better from you expat. That saddens me.
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,4:18 pm
The Truth is often brutal GIL, every war during our lifetime has been about profit or empire building at the expense of the common soldier and taxpayer! There is no honor in killing and crippling our youth to enrich those tied to the Military Industrial Complex!I would expect more of you GIL, that’s what inappropriate, those of you who can’t grasp the insanity of our militaristic glorification!
Posted by Self-Banished on May 24 2015,6:17 pm
^^Expat's just bitter, he spent the 60's eating poutine 
Posted by Expatriate on May 24 2015,7:23 pm
Posted by Glad I Left on May 25 2015,6:52 am
While I cannot completely disagree with the first part of your post, in sure even you can grasp the original intent of this thread. If you want to start a topic on that feel free, but don't hijack the well intentions of those of us that want to honor those who chose to serve, 99% of whom had no decision making powers in what/ where to invade. Even you, in your hate filled state, must be able to comprehend that! That is what truly saddens me about your disgust, that you are putting it on the wrong shoulders. Please do not denigrate those who put something above themselves for this great country.
Posted by Expatriate on May 25 2015,7:41 am
GIL quote:QUOTE
While I cannot completely disagree with the first part of your post, in sure even you can grasp the original intent of this thread. If you want to start a topic on that feel free, but don't hijack the well intentions of those of us that want to honor those who chose to serve, 99% of whom had no decision making powers in what/ where to invade. Even you, in your hate filled state, must be able to comprehend that! That is what truly saddens me about your disgust, that you are putting it on the wrong shoulders. Please do not denigrate those who put something above themselves for this great country.
While I don’t support America’s wars I do support Veterans. You may see my protest as unpatriotic and not belonging in a memorial thread, but this is the place for it, when we see all those white stones of soldiers who gave their lives we have to wonder, what for, was it worth it?
I thought Vietnam was about craziness but our recent excursion into Iraq and Afghanistan are real insanity on a National scale.
In 1971 I was on a plane coming back to the States after my Asian Vacation, thank you Uncle Sam, unlike the movies most of US returning servicemen
were quite, most slept for the first time in a year, all were thankful we weren’t riding in one of the many silver military caskets stacked in the cargo bay of the plane. We landed in California and bused to Oakland, those of US who had the time in to ETS were discharged at 3AM back into the world.
I see no Glory in war, only our stupidity for glorifying it, if we could ask those young men who gave their lives was it worth it, what do you think they’d say!
Maybe we had to become involved in WW2 and I’m not even sure about that, but we should have never never sacrificed our servicemen in the insanity that’s happened in the last 50 years.
Posted by Botto 82 on May 25 2015,8:16 am
Amen.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 25 2015,10:58 am
I agree. Honor them for their sacrifices, and honor them by calling out their murderers. Honor them by trying to stop any more of the insanity brought about by greedy liars.< View on YouTube >
EDIT- Not sure what happened with the video or link, but hopefully this link works out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsFJsvwSU0k
At one point Bush showed a photo of himself looking for something out a window in the Oval Office. He said: "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere."
After a few more slides, there was a shot of Bush looking under furniture in the Oval Office. Bush said "Nope. No weapons over there." Then another picture of Bush searching in his office. He said "Maybe under here."
According to the Nation’s David Corn many of the journalists at the dinner laughed throughout the skit.
But the Daily News is reporting that the families of soldiers killed in Iraq are not laughing.
< http://www.democracynow.org/2004...ls_bush >
We are forever desperate to believe that this time the government is telling us the truth.
Sydney Schanberg
Posted by MADDOG on May 26 2015,9:19 am
Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called < Operation LZ >.
My salute to all who served.
Posted by Rosalind_Swenson on May 26 2015,10:47 am
With all due respect Maddog, I don't read any disrespect or distaste for soldiers coming from Expat's words. I only see it directed towards the liars who are responsible for all the deaths of soldiers. I don't see the Vietnam War as being about freedom and democracy. The Vietnamese didn't want to be under French rule any more. They wanted freedom and democracy from the French. The Vietnamese were living under conditions pretty much like every single other foreign controlled colony in the world has ended up being. - Conditions which are not good.
They tried for many years to get help, even from the US, to get freedom from French rule. They even wrote up a Declaration of Independence which sounds a lot like ours. The US backed the French. Then started screaming about Communism.
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According to Eisenhower, communist victory in Indochina would have far-reaching consequences. “Now let us assume that we lose Indochina. If Indochina goes, several things happen right away. The Malay Peninsula, that last little bit of land hanging on down there, would be scarcely defensible. The tin and tungsten that we so greatly value from that area would cease coming.” One by one, other Asian nations would be toppled. “So you see, somewhere along that line, this must be blocked and it must be blocked now.”
Then knowingly lied about the Gulf of Tonkin. All very similar to how we got into Iraq. Were you able to watch the video I linked to?
The only time the US wants to help citizens of another country is when their government doesn't play nice with us.
How many years were vets lied to about the effects of Agent Orange? They lied us into war and they kept lying after. And they keep on doing it. As devastating as war is to our soldiers and their loved ones, it's just as horrible for the innocent people of the countries we destroy. I don't mean any disrespect to our soldiers, but in my opinion, war is worse for the citizens of the countries we destroy. So many innocent babies, children, elderly killed or seriously injured for the rest of their lives. So many Americans (even some in this forum) who never knew anyone killed on 9-11, have so much anger and hatred towards EVERYONE in the middle east. Can anyone imagine what it must be like for people who have lost their whole families? Or have watched loved ones suffering because of our policies and wars? No wonder the rest of the world hates us.
Our government is the biggest, baddest, most well-funded terrorist organization in the world.
Posted by Expatriate on May 26 2015,11:27 am
(MADDOG @ May 26 2015,9:19 am)
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Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called < Operation LZ >.
My salute to all who served.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called < Operation LZ >.
My salute to all who served.
There you go again with that catch phrase “Freedom” who’s freedom? None of these wars we were lied into in the last 50 years endangered our freedom, they had nothing to do with national defense! It’s about Money for the few who enrich themselves while the soldier bleeds, but they pump their patriotic catch phrases to the weak-minded!
Have you ever been in a real military hospital filled with young men missing limbs, eyes, in broken crippled
burnt bodies with broken sprit? Have you ever seen row after row of those silver caskets stacked up outside a military mortuary because soldiers were being killed faster then the mortuary could process them?
As for me, the circumstance of my service may have hardened me, made me resentful of those who think soldiers are an expendable commodity to be exchanged for corporate profits! But what it really did was motivate me to say no more madness!
No one ever spit on me or called me baby killer, I traveled all over the States in uniform, the first insult I ever received on my Military Service was maddog’s “POS”
Posted by grassman on May 26 2015,8:02 pm
I must agree, Expat. has every right to tell his story. MD, I don't know if you have any military experience, obviously, Expat does. Don't judge a man til you have traveled in his shoes.
Posted by MADDOG on May 27 2015,11:16 am
(grassman @ May 26 2015,8:02 pm)
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I must agree, Expat. has every right to tell his story. MD, I don't know if you have any military experience, obviously, Expat does. Don't judge a man til you have traveled in his shoes.
I'll withdraw my comment.
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"Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS"
Posted by Liberal on May 27 2015,12:20 pm
(MADDOG @ May 26 2015,9:19 am)
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Seems like every year ex-patriot throws out his distaste for those who served and died. Simply a POS.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called < Operation LZ >.
My salute to all who served.
Shuffled to 'Nam likely not by choice and came home without a hero's welcome. Still holding a grudge against a government who sent him to fight for freedom and democracy in the world.
Ex-patriot is right, though. Veterans were not welcomed home with banners and parades as in wars past. He must hold an inner hatred to God and Country for which he can't let go. We shouldn't hold it against him. he simply cannot hide from his haunted past. No hero's welcome. No honor given. No one cared. He was left alone to remember. No peace within.
Here we are finally giving Vietnam vets' their honor. It's called < Operation LZ >.
My salute to all who served.
P.o.s. chickenhawk that would have rathered stayed home and smoked weed questioning a combat vet's patriotism? That's the lowest thing I've ever seen on this forum. Screw you and your phoney ass patriotism. You're just another republican chickenhawk.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2015,3:30 pm
Wow, that's pretty harsh.
Posted by MADDOG on May 27 2015,4:10 pm
Hey SB. What's a POG?
Posted by Self-Banished on May 27 2015,5:09 pm
I didn't catch it and I think lib edited his post.POGs? My kids used to collect them when they were young
Posted by Liberal on May 27 2015,6:25 pm
I didn't edit a single letter in that post. Maybe the P.o.s. chickenhawk just needs glasses.
Posted by MADDOG on May 28 2015,1:25 pm
Good grief Liberal. Now you call SB the same thing? SB said he thought you edited it. I don't think so.
Posted by Self-Banished on May 28 2015,2:02 pm
Heavy flowage