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Posted on: Mar. 27 2004,10:50 am |
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More Rumors started at City Hall ? Can anyone show crumbling walls at the Wal-Mart site?
Is it hard spewing the party line talking points and trying to remember which empty building your spinning about?
Expensive renovation costs make former Wal-Mart site undesirable for library
By Benjamin Dipman, Tribune staff writer
What to do with the former Wal-Mart site remains undecided, ...
..."The building is not suitable for a library," said City Manager Paul Sparks, citing a dilapidated roof, poor structure and crumbling walls. "It's not in that good of shape. It's got a lot of problems. You will have to rebuild it."...
...If not used for the library, Sparks is unsure of what will happen to the building, nor is he concerned.
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City officials have no interest in the building commercially or aesthetically, he said. Though the building is in poor condition, it does not appear to be a threat or violating any codes.
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Posted on: Mar. 27 2004,11:36 am |
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Well, in case you needed any more evidence....Paul Sparks is a chronic liar. We've seen this from him time and time again.
Enough is enough. Doesn't Paul Sparks think 26 years is enough?
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 27 2004,4:02 pm |
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Collector I agree with you on most of your points most of the time. However, BBS's have always been a place for rumor, humor, argument and lies. The fun of them is sorting out what is true and debating it. For instance, if someone says that Lake Erie is the largest of the Great Lakes, and you know that not to be true, prove it with a source cited that is reputable. Otherwise take everything with a grain of salt and qualify your response with the sentence "if that is true, then....." and your can still jump in with how you feel without giving credence to faulty information. My first modem was a 3k, so arguments were short and sweet, now that we can even talk and have it typed, they get way more heated. In a public debate, a person can say what they want in an auditorium full of people, as long as they don't mind someone with a cd enclyclopedia making a fool of them.
I agree that the information about the condition of the Wal-Mart is suspicious at best. But, I am not a structural engineer.
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minnow
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Posted on: Mar. 27 2004,4:13 pm |
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"But, I am not a structural engineer."
EXACTLY! You nailed it. And that's exactly how Sparky operates. Praying on the citizens ignorance.
Gee...Sparky must be right because he's so much smarter that me...He must know more, he king and I not.
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collector
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,9:58 am |
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I have read that one and it is good. At least it is good credible information with substance. You are right, it deserves to be debated and many feel the same way. I don't support Sparks nor am I in the silent majority on the signs around town. I am not Sparks as Minnow made reference to nor do I work for the city or county. I don't work for the Chamber either. I am not on the Watershed Board. I am not employed by the newspaper. I am not employed by Seabord Farms or any pork producer, or any meat packer at all. I don't own or work for a retail establishment in the city or county. Heck, I don't even work in Albert Lea or Freeborn County for many reasons. I haven't for more than 10 years. I have been a resident in the city all my life. I pay taxes here. I worked in Iowa for awhile, but that isn't any better no matter what Iowegian says in his/her many posts. I have seen businesses come and go. Mostly go. We were prosperous in the 70's with the good manufacturing jobs around here. That is what we need again. I don't claim to have the answers. I don't keep hashing things that can't be changed today. They can be changed when voting comes up for councilors and commissioners. Until then it is all wishful thinking. How do we get everyone out to vote when that time comes? Voter turnout has always been horrible here. That is the true majority.
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,12:47 pm |
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Oh What A Tangled Web we Weave When We First Practice To Deceive
Spin
| Quote (collector @ Mar. 22 2004,8:03:pm) | | Where are the real facts? ...the rumors that started this thread. Like a lot of the threads it is all page after page of rumor...... For Gods sake get some facts and talk intelligently... Once someone with real knowledge gives the facts, most of the rumor mongers stop posting about that topic and move to the next one. |
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| Quote (collector @ Mar. 28 2004,9:58:am) | | How do we get everyone out to vote when that time comes? Voter turnout has always been horrible here. That is the true majority. |
Voter turnout tops 87 percent in county
By Masaaki Harada, Tribune staff writer Nov 6 2002
Freeborn County's 87.66 percent voter turnout was higher than election officials expected - among the highest for a non-presidential election. In some polling places, voters needed to stay in line even after 8 p.m., and waits of more than an hour were reported at times.
The county's turnout rate put it among the top five out of the state's 87 counties.
County Auditor Dennis Distad attributed the high voter turnout to the fierce competition, especially for local offices.
"We had awfully good candidates for both the city and county," Distad said. "This was also the first time in a long time that the incumbent has not run for sheriff. That could be another factor."
The sudden change on the ballot because of U.S. Senate Paul Wellstone's death did not trigger visible confusion in the vote. Though the separate ballot for the senate election needed to be counted by hand in each precinct, the whole process went off without any significant delay.
Distad said, "I take my hat off to election judges in the county. They were super."
The facts don't match the spin
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,4:34 pm |
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Hear, hear, Nose for news. I have never experienced better political involvement anywhere in the country, and unlike collector, I have lived all over this country North, South, East and West. The people here are very involved and passionate about politics.
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,5:19 pm |
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I will give you the last election having large turnout. You can check stats for any other in the past and not find that. Unfortunately, the higher turnout was a huge majority of the residents by those numbers so are we to imply that the candidates elected and their actions now are approved by that same majority? My point is threads such as the county jailer who was fired. How much fact was in that? Many people jumped on that bandwagon with rumors and speculation. The reason it isn't released is privacy laws, but posters put things in here and people take it as fact. The same goes for the thread on Jeff Fjelstad and who he was dating. Same with the rumor of prostitutes run by him. The thread was actually about an unfortunate situation with an employee of which there were facts stated. It then turned to a rumor mill about his side business. Read previous posts. They aren't spin and they aren't meant to deceive. If anyone is deceiving anyone, it is the fact that people spout about the next election to clean house and what a mess we have with elected officials. According to your figures that makes those posts spin as you call it. The majority spoke at the last election. Or are those numbers not accurate?
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,6:49 pm |
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I'm certainly not arguing the fact that most Albert Lea voters have been wrong in the past. I mean, just look at the results.
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Posted on: Mar. 28 2004,8:04 pm |
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Just Posting the News (sometimes it isn't what we want to hear )
collector's answers: Doesn't the government answer the same way when caught in spin ?
Next will we see personal attacks against anyone who presents facts differing from their spin?
This thinking process is very predictable . Many gov officials think the same way.
This is why the internet is giving fits to local gov. They are used to saying anything that sounds good or shuts people up at the time and not used to having the forum residents check it out.
Don't shoot the messengers.
Next time do your namesake collect the facts first ,then post
Welcome to the Forum
Websters
spin:to evolve express or fabricate by processes of mind or imagination ; a yarn
yarn a narrative of adventures; esp: a tall tale
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