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cwolff 
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2004,1:42 pm |
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I have a friend that put in his papers to retire before 9/11/2001, and still is not allowed to retire from the national guard. He served 110 days in Afganistan and is going to Iraq soon. His income is $130,000.00, but a lot less on active duty.
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2004,3:48 pm |
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So? I didn't see you voicing your opposition when the rubber met the road. As I recall, I was the only one.
Tough turkey, you get what you deserve. I don't care in the slightest how much $ it cost him. I gots mine and I come first in this world. Hell, I ain't no dummy...I'm da minner.. 
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2004,6:46 pm |
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I understand the point about the federal funding, but the Posse Comitatus directly excludes the National Guard and Coast Guard by name. They are not included in the act. Whether or not they should be is a different debate.
Yes I know that you want to say we are all crazy minnow, oh well. I don't care if we put the Military on the Canadian border too just to be fair. I don't think it is a necessary, but fine. I just want a nation secure from invaders. Whether they are economic invaders, or military. Illegals are not screened for past crimes or diseases, and they should not be pouring in like they are. Legal immigrants are screened, and I think we have enough room for plenty as long as we stop the illegal flood.
The military is spread way to thin. The guard is being abused because we refuse to make an Army the right size. Yeah, we all know lot's of people being economically hurt by deployment I would guess. Lot's more will be before this is over. Two of my kids just got back safe, and I pray they don't have to go again. 
I been trying to retire out of the reserves myself for a couple years now, hoping I still duck the deployment bullet. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt. 
jimhanson, did you say you had a shrimp boat once upon a time? You are'nt Forest Gump are you, I heard he moved up north
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minnow
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2004,7:16 pm |
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Listen to the diarrhea driveling out of your mouth...!
"I don't care if we put the Military on the Canadian border too just to be fair."---->Excuse me?...just to be fair! Oh, I see, it's really those dirty Mexicans you want to target but it just wouldn't look right unless we put the military on the Canadian border as well! LOL... Oh my God, YeR insane man.
"I don't think it is a necessary, but fine."---->See? 
" I just want a nation secure from invaders. "_---->invaders? Are they from some other planet or something? "Whether they are economic invaders, or military."---->Oh I see, you're worried that Hose cleans toilets at McDonalds and it could have been your job. "Illegals are not screened for past crimes or diseases, and they should not be pouring in like they are. ---->Oh, I see, it's the health issue that REALLY bothers you...LOL Legal immigrants are screened, and I think we have enough room for plenty as long as we stop the illegal flood.-----> Oh, I see, you are really pro immigration, just as long as they are screened for diseases like cattle and rodents.
Look, someone needs to set you down and force you to face reality. You and your old school thinking are on the way out...going the way of the dinosaur. Buh-bye...
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 24 2004,8:32 pm |
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Oh you are funny sometimes minnow, you should write for SNL. Actually I have lots of Mexicans in my family, and unlike you I lived and went to school there too. I don't see Canadians pouring across the border, just Mexicans, Nicaraguans, El Salvadorians, Guatemalans, etc. But you probably think they are all the same with your Yankee Gringo brain.  The problem is not with the people coming across in search of a better life, I would cross also to get away from corruption and poverty. Actually the vicitmization of them by smugglers (coyotes) and businessmen that exploit them by working them overtime without pay, knowing they can't complain, forcing wages down for everyone, and the toilet scubbing job that they take from the disadvantaged from this country that don't have the capacity do more skilled labor does concern me. For the sake of the illegals themselves we need to control it. They are murdered by the hundreds and raped by the thousands getting here. If they knew the chance was small to make it, and we made legal immigration more accessable, they would not try. Why spend hundreds to get here if the legal way cost half and did'nt take forever? Actually the military on the Canadian border is silly, but your earlier posting made me address that to keep dolts like you happy, because we could do that too just to keep it fair. I don't see an economic disaster occurring North of the border in Canada followed by millions of economic refugees, just South in Mexico and Central America. So we should address the problem, not make up new ones to be politically correct. Yeah, believe it or not I am for immigration, but not lawless immigration. That's crazy and old school, thinking we can't stop it, and that it helps the economy. THATS insane. Of course, now that you make sooooo much money, I am sure you would hate losing the stream of people that you can exploit to clean your toilet, pool and do your lawn, because "yer da minner".
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cpu_slave
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Posted on: Feb. 26 2004,9:35 am |
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| Quote | | I didn't see you voicing your opposition when the rubber met the road. As I recall, I was the only one. |
Really? Perhaps you can go back and read through the threads on this board and see the lack of your own opposition. I’m not saying that you weren’t opposed, just that I really did not see you really voice it too often.
Now it’s time to put this topic back on track, and that is the ‘smoking ban’ for those of you with memory trouble. I see there have been a few posts since I last checked in so let’s get started.
| Quote | | Where in the bill of rights does it say you have the right to smoke & pollute the air I breathe? |
Where in the bill of rights does it specifically say that I don’t have that right? Could you point that part out because after reading it several times I still can not seem to locate it.
| Quote | | if you don't think second hand smoke is harmful you are delusional. |
As proven by the Congressional Research Service and many, many others, it's quite possible--and VERY likely--that NO people die from Second Hand Smoke. Ever! I challenge you to produce one death certificate that states ‘second hand smoking’ as the cause of death.
| Quote | | how about a national ban then, once and for all, in all places of businesses? Then would you shut up? |
It seems that, like most safty-nazis who want the government to change everyone (else's) lives, a lot of things bother you. Get over it. This country was founded on the concepts of freedom and personal responsibility. There are plenty of countries that weren't founded on those principles, why would you want to change this country when there are plenty that would cater to your desires?
| Quote | | Look, there's no justification for you needing to do your drugs in indoor, public spaces where it affects other non addicts. |
If you don't like smoke and think that it's not healthy or enjoyable, don't go to places that allow smoking. In that same regard, I won't go to a non-smoking establishment and bitch that I can't smoke there. Besides, it really depends on what the restaurant or bar owner has to say about it. Rights are never in conflict with a valid definition of rights. As a matter of fact, you really don't have a “right” to sit in a restaurant or bar at all. That is the owners decision.
| Quote | | If you & I sit in a small 10' x 10' room and I drink a case of beer and you smoke 24 cigarettes, whose health is more adversely effected? |
The difference between active and passive cigarette smoke is about 100,000 times dilution. An interesting chart by an independent toxicologist proves that the number of cigarettes required to reach the accepted level of toxins published by EPA and OSHA runs into the thousands, and in some cases, the millions,- in a sealed 20' room with a 9' ceiling! I am, however, tired of this typical argument brought about by the pro-ban & anti-freedom squad:
Pro-Ban-Brigade: Second Hand Smoke will kill you!
Rational Person: You have no evidence to prove your claim.
Pro-Ban-Brigade: Prove it won't!
Why can’t they do their own work and try to prove their own claims, rather than having the rest of us trying to defend freedom? Let’s just change a couple of words to see how ridicules this type of argument really is:
Pro-Ban-Brigade: Tap Water will kill you!
Rational Person: You have no evidence to prove your claim.
Pro-Ban-Brigade: Prove it won't!
| Quote | | according to them, there is no correlation between a persons health & their exposure to second hand smoke??? That is BS. |
For the rabid and the gullible, yes, there certainly are plenty of press releases stating such "official decisions." But for anyone who knows science...or research...or statistics...you won't be able to name three out of the hundreds that prove any such thing. Makes one wonder WHY--if there IS an elephant in the refrigerator, all the hundreds of "studies" and millions of dollars haven't been able to find her footprints in the Jello. The problem with most of the studies that I've seen, including the EPA study, is that the raw numbers are easily manipulated to show whatever the sponsors of the study want them to show.
| Quote | | Nowhere in the constitution does it provide for you to smoke your drugs in indoor spaces where it affects others. |
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness? Seriously, where the hell does it say that your ‘rights’ supersede any one else’s? If you dislike smoking, great. Own it. Don't use specious science and a lobby backed by self important morons to try and have your opinion passed into law. Because honestly, if you can do it, so can someone else, and maybe something you do annoys me enough to have you and your family deported.
| Quote | | There are plenty of laws that the gov't has which do infringe on civil rights but I don't think a smoking bad would be considered one of them. |
What we have here are a couple of hypocrites, who piss and moan about their drug of choice (and activities of choice) being illegal yet at the same time are crying from the rooftops to have a currently legal product banned. Look, the American public has been asleep when it has come to civil liberties and it is about time they wake up before there are none left! Personally, I believe drugs and prostitution should both be legal, as well as a whole host of other things I find wrong with the ‘rules’ placed upon me in this ‘free’ society. This country was founded on BOTH freedom and personal responsibility, but you two and the other idiots who like to parrot what they have been told to be the ‘truth’ (never mind actually looking at something as trivial as ‘facts’) and would rather have freedom stripped away and let the government baby-sit you. As I said before, if you want a government to take care of everything for you, even tell you what to do, there are several nations out there set up to cater to your beliefs. Let’s see, Cuba, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, Syria, Zimbabwe, China, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Algeria, etc. Hell, I’ll even pitch in for the plane ticket so you can feel safer in a place where the countries leaders have seen fit to take away your ‘rights’ in the name of ‘safety’.
I find religion much more offensive than smoking and I don't hear anybody calling to have that banned in public places!
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An age is called Dark, not because the light fails to shine, but because people refuse to see it.-James A. Michener
Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.-Albert Einstein
Wise men learn more from fools than fools from wise men.- Marcus Cato
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MrTarzan
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Posted on: Feb. 26 2004,10:35 pm |
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Wow, passionate, clear, concise, intellectually challenging argument cpu_slave. Kudos. However, you know someone who shall remain nameless will soon post to you "dat yer a idiot". So this should be fun to watch unfold as a debate.
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jimhanson
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Posted on: Feb. 28 2004,3:39 pm |
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| Quote | | jimhanson, did you say you had a shrimp boat once upon a time? You are'nt Forest Gump are you, I heard he moved up north |
"I'm just a simple person" (d'oh!--gave myself away!)
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minnow fan
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Posted on: Feb. 28 2004,4:36 pm |
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So, driving around today, I am at a stoplight behind some gal. She finishes her cigarette & guess what she does? Flings it right out her window. I just love how smokers not only think it is their right to pollute the air the rest of us breath but their right to pollute the environment by throwing their refuse onto the ground as they see fit.
And don't try & give me this BS that 'that is only a small select group of smokers', we all see it, everywhere, everyday.
But then again, who ever said smokers were a considerate bunch?
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Even if you think the ALEDC is a good idea, do you really want to put Sparks and Bishop in charge of all the economic development in Albert Lea?
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minnow fan
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Posted on: Feb. 28 2004,4:40 pm |
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| Quote (cpu_slave @ Feb. 26 2004,9:35:am) | | I find religion much more offensive than smoking and I don't hear anybody calling to have that banned in public places! |
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How about the 10 commandments being removed from courthouses everywhere & the no prayer in school crusade for starters? I would say the gov't is doing everything it can to make sure there is no religion in public places.
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Even if you think the ALEDC is a good idea, do you really want to put Sparks and Bishop in charge of all the economic development in Albert Lea?
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