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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,7:51 am |
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I don't know exactly how the rich got all butt-hurt about the prosperity of the middle class in the 50's and 60's, but this much is certain: They're not about to let that happen again. Maybe living on a third-world planet is somehow beneficial to the 1%'ers.
Whatever the case, SB and his ilk aren't going to mess up their plans, because they think they have a shot at being 1%'ers, too, which is really just wishful thinking, when you get right down to it. They look at you like a Hormel exec looks at a single mom.
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,8:43 am |
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^^wow, are you really that bad off? There are winners and losers in life and many varying degrees in between. You make it sound like there are those at the top and the rest of us are groveling at their feet. Life's pretty damned good if you put some effort into it 
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,10:06 am |
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(irisheyes @ Mar. 09 2015,10:11 am)
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QUOTE All that happened in Wis is an end to extortion, plain and simple. If the unions are so great why do they have to rely on coercion to keep their membership? Paying dues isn't extortion. Do you think paying your phone bill or homeowners insurance is extortion also?
You have a choice whether or not you want a phone or home owners insurance. 
Before anyone says you need homeowners insurance that is only if your lender requires it. Even then, you are choosing to purchase a home from a lender that requires it.
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QUOTE Employees have a choice when they vote to have union representation, people applying for work have a choice of whether they want to apply at those places or the ones that are non-union. Seems like there's lots of choices, you just don't like certain ones.
Did the business owners have a choice in allowing unions to organize in their place of business? After all...we are talking about choices right? Or is that one of those choices you would disagree with.?.
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,10:48 am |
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What about auto insurance, it is law that you have to have it on your car to drive it.
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,11:28 am |
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^^it's a choice to own a car or not.
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,4:33 pm |
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Taking a job at a certain place is also a choice, who gets to decide which choices are acceptable? If you don't want to work in a union shop, don't apply! You guys seem to pick and choose what choices are ok. Should I go get a job at a restaurant and tell them not to serve liver and onions because I don't really care for the smell? 
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,5:28 pm |
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(Self-Banished @ Mar. 13 2015,3:27 am)
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QUOTE Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell. True herd mentality. There is nothing wrong with this thinking but myself and and many others choose to be a bit more independent, to not live like sheep. The unions had their time, many years ago. OSHA and wage laws have ensured a safe work place and a minimum wage. If one thinks their is a hazard at their place of work they can call OSHA. If they're not happy with minimum wage(and unless you're fresh out of high school you're making more) they're free to pursue other avenues of work. But I can't figure out why I would have someone negotiate for me when I'm perfectly able to do it myself.
Ah, independent. A belief now much relegated in corner of one's mind. But that's okay. Freedom of religion is our right.
It's interesting to watch libertarians speak of "independence" while many, I suspect, voluntarily participate in capitalist social safety nets like 401ks, IRAs, buy stocks(another form of social capitalism) in corporations, purchase products originating in quasi-fascist/communist/capitalist corrupt countries(but never buy union!!). It reminds one of those coming to this country seeking political asylum, jobs, education, safe communities...and then end up sending money back to dysfunctional corrupt society they fled.
I worked as an "independent" sub-contractor for over 20 yrs. It was tough work but nice. Then some tight @ss new manager thought cheap labor was better. I never belonged to a union and never will. But the alternatives can be seen overseas, and now in this country---stagnant wages, cuts to pensions & health care, and a few elitists owning 40% of this country's wealth.
Anyone yet truly independent won't be for long.
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stardust14
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,5:36 pm |
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Grassman has got a point. Last I heard there is no forced labor camps here. Only overseas where corporations congregate to cash in.
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Posted on: Mar. 13 2015,6:10 pm |
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(stardust14 @ Mar. 13 2015,5:28 pm)
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QUOTE Meanwhile, as the dog-eat-doggers are busy chewing on the misfortune of others, these same people enjoy freely the benefits of the hard work of others who put community ahead of personal gain---clean air/water, infrastructure, recreation facilities, health centers, safe food, etc.
How long would the rabid dog eating populace last in a TRUE dog-eat-dog society? Jungle mentallity, subsidized by community minded folks, is a hollow shell. True herd mentality. There is nothing wrong with this thinking but myself and and many others choose to be a bit more independent, to not live like sheep. The unions had their time, many years ago. OSHA and wage laws have ensured a safe work place and a minimum wage. If one thinks their is a hazard at their place of work they can call OSHA. If they're not happy with minimum wage(and unless you're fresh out of high school you're making more) they're free to pursue other avenues of work. But I can't figure out why I would have someone negotiate for me when I'm perfectly able to do it myself. Ah, independent. A belief now much relegated in corner of one's mind. But that's okay. Freedom of religion is our right. It's interesting to watch libertarians speak of "independence" while many, I suspect, voluntarily participate in capitalist social safety nets like 401ks, IRAs, buy stocks(another form of social capitalism) in corporations, purchase products originating in quasi-fascist/communist/capitalist corrupt countries(but never buy union!!). It reminds one of those coming to this country seeking political asylum, jobs, education, safe communities...and then end up sending money back to dysfunctional corrupt society they fled. I worked as an "independent" sub-contractor for over 20 yrs. It was tough work but nice. Then some tight @ss new manager thought cheap labor was better. I never belonged to a union and never will. But the alternatives can be seen overseas, and now in this country---stagnant wages, cuts to pensions & health care, and a few elitists owning 40% of this country's wealth. Anyone yet truly independent won't be for long.
I'm 54 years young and I have been raised as an independent and have worked as an independent near all of my life. My "religeon"is capitalism, I practice and preach it everyday. I invest in my equipment and I invest in my retirement. "I" not anyone else's. I hire an investment expert to do this for me. I hire an accountant to keep records and file taxes.
"I" am an independent.
Sure I have people I'm accountable to, customers but we are in agreement as to what services are performed, if not, we don't do business. Any and All contracts can end at anytime, they have and will again, it's the nature of the beast.
My business is not large but it is mine and I live or die by it financially.it's tough work and sometimes long hours and sometimes I don't get paid for my work but I've learned to finesse the system, I've learned the little nuances and most of the time the rewards are quite handsome.
You sound very bitter that you no longer a contractor, maybe you should look at going back to it. I'm gonna take a guess the you are a programmer, fine work and there is plenty of work out there. I know this because I have a very close friend who's been doing this and he's done quit well for himself.
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