And maybe, since this is a discussion forum afterall, some of us can be allowed to discuss things that are happening, and have been happening, that we might just have a problem with, since the mainstream national news, whose job is supposed to be to keep us informed, and be a check/balance on what the government is up to, has not been doing its job for far too long.
Me: Post #157
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Yeah, most of the things I find out about come from alternative media, (what you call "conspiracy kook sites"). - That just shows how crap a job our mainstream national news does of informing us of things. And we fight about which mainstream news is more full of BS and which are trustworthy. When none of them do their job of telling us what is going on.
Me: Post #168
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The mainstream media did no reporting of specifically how damaging the inability to treat water was to the population.
Are you having troubles "keeping up" or are you trying your spin and misquote trick again?
The three mainstream news articles from your google search did not inform us of what the sanctions did to the water supply, or that it was the cause of most of the deaths. One article spun the water treatment problems as "maintenance problems". - Said nothing bout sanctions keeping safe water capabilities away from Iraq.
Second article says this about the unsafe water killing people:
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According to the Iraqi government, the trade embargo and a shortage of money have prevented repairs.
Third article says:
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The Iraqis say the problem is the collapse of infrastructure: malnourished mothers bearing weak babies, immunizations down, dirty drinking water causing fatal illnesses.
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So are you saying the local publications were reporting on Iraq sanctions but not the national news?
I was just telling you what sources were in your googlesearch link. liberal:
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Face it you are full of crap once again, everyone knew the sanctions were killing people because of lack of clean water
You're the one who's full of crap. Do you not realize how ridiculous you have become?
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When they start detaining Americans for no reason I'll worry, until then it's just a stupid law that will never be used.
If it will never be used, then why have it. I bet most Americans thought the U.S. would not kill citizens with no due process and no explanation either, but they did.
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Face it you are full of crap once again, everyone knew the sanctions were killing people because of lack of clean water.
Then why did you say this:
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Your Iraq sanctions conspiracy is a perfect example. Everyone that wasn't living in a hole at that time knows that the UN sanctions caused death and illness. That's why the oil for food program was started.
Because as I've already stated a time or two, the BS Oil for Food program did nothing to help them fix their water/sewer facilities. Oil For Food program did nothing to help Iraq have safe water and sewer capabilities.
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White Phosphorous Topic in Opinion. November 2005: liberal: Just because an international treaty hasn't specifically listed WP as a chemical weapon doesn't mean it isn't by definition a chemical weapon. I sure hope the international community doesn't impose trade sanctions and demand that we allow them to inspect our weapon stockpiles. ---- liberal If I witnessed WP shells used as a weapon I would go to the Provost Marshall and the Inspector General with the information. ---- liberal: So are you suggesting we should pay them back for defending their country after we invaded it over faulty/manufactured intelligence? ----- liberal: White Phosphorous artillery shells are not intended to be used as a weapon anymore than artillery shells that smoke are intended to be used as a weapon. No matter how you try to spin this we're using a chemical that is intended to be used to mark targets or light up the night and we are using it as a chemical weapon against enemy combatants.
Isn't that one of the reasons we're fighting this war? ------ liberal: Do you realize that the estimates of civilians killed in Iraq range from 26,000 to 100,000 but we have no way of knowing the actual number because we don't keep track of collateral damage. Is that your idea of confining a battle to a war zone? ------ liberal: Are you suggesting that we shouldn't question anything our soldiers do because it might hurt their moral? ------- liberal: When the suicide bombers make it to hell, will they have plenty of American heroes to hang out with? ------ liberal: And your ignorance is reprehensible to me. You're just another wacko that thinks everything Christians/Americans do is right and just, because you believe God sees things the Christian/American way. And I can imagine that it's an absolute foreign thought to you to think that maybe God sees things the Muslim way or the Jewish way. ------ liberal: For some odd reason the American media doesn't seem to show us the whole picture of the Israel, Palestinian conflict. ------- liberal: Let's see the local warmongers explain why it's a chemical weapon when Iraq uses it but not a chemical weapon when we do. ------- liberal: The Kurd wrote the Pentagon report
Are you going to Blame the Kurds for the WMD lies also?
Bush didn't lie, he was just repeating what he heard from a Kurd. ------ liberal: Yep, no doubt about it, you're a right wing nut job that would rather make a complete fool of himself defending this administration than ever admit the administration did anything wrong. ------ liberal: That's funny, a couple hundred words on how evil liberals are but not one word about how you were WRONG again, or about how GW supposedly got his intel about chemical weapons from an anonymous Kurd.
BTW, How goes the Able Danger investigation? ----- liberal: Here's an article from Forbes website. I'd guess the Russian Parliment doesn't count as a world body in Jim's world. ------ liberal: Of course it matters because we're there fighting a war over Saddam using the same freaking weapons we're using. Maybe we can tell the rest of the world how evil Saddam tortured people in secret prisons, oh wait we did that too. Kind of hard to take the moral high ground when things like this happen, isn't it? -------- liberal: Well if it doesn't matter how you kill people then why are we even in Iraq? Wasn't it something about chemical weapons, and WMDs?
I know you'll whine that WP is an incendiary weapon and not a chemical weapon (according to you and the rest of the wing nuts), so you think it's okay to use on insurgents and future insurgents like these two, but your flawed right wing logic doesn't carry any weight with the rest of the world.
At least we can be thankful that bigots like you are a dying breed. ------- liberal: I've got no problem with any weapon that's used for it's intended purpose.
Here's some interesting info from that same site for all you knuckleheads that don't have a problem with the US dropping chemical munitions on people. ----- Here's an honest question - What ever happened to THAT guy?
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-------------- Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
kookosphere? youtube? I don't know, I kind of enjoy seeing what this kook will say to make in on youtube nearly daily.
Or maybe Liberal thinks Gowdy is the kook since this guy stands up and calls these people out.
I wonder if Rice could have gotten by with the lies if she would have just admitted that spec. ops. couldn't go to Benghazi aid of the ambassador because DHS had all the ammo.
-------------- Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
And it shouldn't bother anyone that the vast majority of people killed by drone strikes are innocent civilians. ---- And even though they are legal, ethical and wise:
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At one time, the White House spokesman says he was told not to admit the program existed.
Robert Gibbs, who came to the White House with President Obama in 2009, told MSNBC this weekend that "when I went through the process of becoming press secretary, one of the first things they told me was, you're not even to acknowledge the drone program. You're not even to discuss that it exists." http://www.usatoday.com/story...1945629
On video #3: I hope he stands by what he said and I hope others join him. Administrations need to stop getting a free pass by saying "I don't know", "I don't recall" or blaming "faulty" information that comes from nameless Intelligence agencies and nameless Intelligence agents. Everybody needs to stop giving these people free passes.
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^^^ it's not a free pass Roz, it's the lawyers shield, just like a knight in battle (though most of the time nowhere near as noble) it is a deflection. The public just needs to keep hammerin' at them.
Remember boys and girls,