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Rosalind_Swenson 
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,10:50 am |
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Me:
QUOTE Really? You knew it was the water facilities that had been destroyed and sanctions that kept the people from having safe water that killed so many people?
I thought you didn't get your news from "conspiracy sites", because the mainstream national news sure didn't inform us of that. They only said the deaths were a result of "sanctions". As if it was an unintended consequence of the sanctions. They never told us our government planned for those deaths by knowingly destroying safe water and sewage capabilities.
liberal:
QUOTE Your Iraq sanctions conspiracy is a perfect example. Everyone that wasn't living in a hole at that time knows that the UN sanctions caused death and illness. That's why the oil for food program was started. Do you have a better way to get a rogue regime to play well with others?
Me:
QUOTE The BS program that was implemented to try and appease all the people screaming about all the innocent citizens of Iraq dying. The BS program that did NOTHING to fix the biggest cause of death, which was their water/sewer problems causing disease. The BS program which resulted in the first two top guys quitting after almost 40 years in the UN, because they were not able to get sanctions lessened to make sure the people had safe water. The U.S. government KNOWINGLY did not allow for innocent citizens to have safe water. And THAT is what the news never told us.
liberal:
QUOTE The previous wiki quote references a WHO paper from 2000 and I heard about the report many times watching/reading mainstream media. I'm pretty sure anyone that wasn't living in a hole back then knew about the deaths caused by the sanctions.
Again, no mainstream news informed us of how specifically the destruction of water/sewage and embargo of chemicals led to so many deaths of innocent citizens. All mainstream news said "sanctions" as if the deaths were an unintended consequence of all the restrictions. And no national news informed us of the declassified documents that were discovered showing how the U.S. planned for and knew the outcome of the water/sewage problems. They knew about the diseases beforehand, and knew about it during.
Me:
QUOTE Yes, "sanctions". The mainstream media did no reporting of specifically how damaging the inability to treat water was to the population. It did no reporting of the declassified documents discovered showing how the government knew and planned in advance how horrible it would be for the Iraqi people.
liberal:
QUOTE Here's a link to a psychic that wrote a LTE to the LA Times in 2001 talking about dead children in Iraq because of sanctions. We know he must be a psychic because the kook says people didn't know about the deaths until she found out about it on the kookosphere
I've never said the mainstream news never told us sanctions were killing people. Are you having difficulties "keeping up"? Or are you still trying to use your spin and misquote trick? After I posted the declassified documents link I did use the phrase "strict sanctions" I figured you were intelligent enough to put 2 and 2 together. But since that post I have taken great care to specify water/sewage destruction and sanctions.
liberal:
QUOTE What declassified report?
The declassified documents in post #138, that show the U.S. knew what the outcome would be from the destruction of Iraq's water/sewage and kept pushing the UN keeping them from having safe water and sewage.
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,11:04 am |
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liberal, your constant attacks and derailing of discussions is complete BS. Why don't you leave people alone to actually have discussions.
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Liberal
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,11:29 am |
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So in your kook world you should be able to post delusional crap and only people that believes your delusions can respond? If you don't like my responses then you can post on the kook sites where you don't have to worry about sane people responding to your BS.
This declassified report has been online since 1996 and you think nobody in the media mentioned it?
Here's a link to google query for news stories between 1998-2001 about Iraq sanctions causing deaths because of the water treatment.
https://www.google.com/search?...bih=644
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Rosalind_Swenson
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,1:19 pm |
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(Liberal @ Apr. 02 2013,11:29 am)
QUOTE So in your kook world you should be able to post delusional crap and only people that believes your delusions can respond? If you don't like my responses then you can post on the kook sites where you don't have to worry about sane people responding to your BS. This declassified report has been online since 1996 and you think nobody in the media mentioned it? Here's a link to google query for news stories between 1998-2001 about Iraq sanctions causing deaths because of the water treatment. https://www.google.com/search?...bih=644
liberal:
QUOTE This declassified report has been online since 1996 and you think nobody in the media mentioned it?
Yep, that's what I'm saying. Look for yourself (if you haven't already)
Here's one of the interviews of the Professor who found the declassified documents:
http://www.zcommunications.org/war-cri...as-nagy
QUOTE The implications of Nagy’s findings are quite serious and worthy of a thorough investigation because it suggests that the US authorities committed war crimes. However, his analysis of government documents went unreported in the trend-setting national US media, such as New York Times, Wall Street Journal, The Washington Post, Time, or Newsweek. It did receive some mention in the foreign press, State-level press, non-corporate independent press, and specialized publications.
liberal:
QUOTE Here's a link to google query for news stories between 1998-2001 about Iraq sanctions causing deaths because of the water treatment.
I went through the first 10 pages from your google search link, you must not have checked out your own search very well. Other than "kook news sites" there's A few local publications and foreign news. Here's the National News coverage, and one PBS:
NY Times on Page 4. No.
Washington Post on Page 4 1998: No.
The spread of diseases associated with war damage and maintenance problems at Iraq's 210 water treatment plants also has slowed. U.N. officials say they expect the rates of serious diarrhea and other ailments to begin to drop soon under new efforts to refurbish that system, a key public health step that is also important for the country's eventual economic renewal.
(The spread rates of serious diarrhea *and other ailments* associated with *war damage and maintenance problems* at Iraq's 210 water treatment plants also has slowed. ) Doesn't mention anything about sanctions being the biggest problem for the plants. Also it mentioned malnutrition and lack of medicines earlier in the article. Malnutrition and lack of medicines also were a part of destroyed water/sewer plants. (Which was mentioned in the declassified documents)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/iraq/update.htm
PBS: Page 4 1998. Almost sorta kinda says it.
A U.N. report estimated that 420,000 children, 5,000 every month since 1991, have died because of inadequate medical care and insufficient food supplies.
The report also said that one third of all Iraqi children are malnourished and many suffer from infections.
The source of many of the illnesses and deaths is poor drinking water. Sewage treatment plants and electric power plants that keep the going were bombed during the Gulf War.
*According to the Iraqi government, the trade embargo and a shortage of money have prevented repairs.*
According to the Iraqi government= Nobody should believe what they say.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/jan-june98/iraq_3-13a.html
CBS 2009: Page 7
The Iraqis say the problem is the collapse of infrastructure: malnourished mothers bearing weak babies, immunizations down, dirty drinking water causing fatal illnesses.= Don't believe what they say.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/01/10/gulfwar/main263122.shtml
Washington Post 2000: Page 7
Nothing about Iraq water, but some dang interesting information on Cheney, oil company and other U.S. company dealings in Iraq.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...dx.html
There's a Washington Post article on page 8 titled "Firm's Iraq Deals Greater Than Cheney Has Said" which sounded interesting, but is a dead link.
You're such a waste of time and energy.
How come you never answer when someone asks you your opinion on the NDAA indefinite detention power the government has given itself?
Botto, have you seen how the politicians are distancing themselves from that Monsanto Protection Act? Either they were unaware of that rider, or didn't expect how much flack they were going to get from the public.
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Botto 82
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,1:43 pm |
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If anyone needs help with the term "sheeposphere," here's your sign...
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MADDOG
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Posted on: Apr. 02 2013,1:46 pm |
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sheeposhere? 
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Actually my wife is especially happy when my google check arrives each month. Thanks to douchbags like you, I get paid just for getting you worked up. -Liberal
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Everything's al honky dory in Libs world right now 
Remember boys and girls,