10's of thousands of witnesses saw the planes strike the buildings if that isn't enough to convince you then there's nothing I can say that would change your mind.
Who is denying that planes flew into the buildings? How can you judge the validity of the information in the video if you refuse to watch it? What about the points I made in the 9-11 topic? Hundreds of people reported hearing and feeling explosions, even big mainstream reporters live on air. Why would neither official investigation check for explosives, and state on record that there was no need to test for explosives? Please watch the video.
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They aren't a bunch of evil bastards that would fly a plane into a building killing 1000's of Americans.
They invaded countries and started wars, based on their lies. When the lies no longer worked they told even more lies. It was nothing but lies from them right from the start. They are the reason thousands of soldiers have died, and hundreds of thousands of innocent people in those countries. Almost all of the highjackers came from Saudi Arabia. The FBI themselves even gave that info right after 9-11. Why did we attack different countries? Remember back to what a jumbled mess all of the info they kept throwing at us was? A huge chaotic web of BS that was almost impossible to keep straight.
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What conspiracy are you suggesting the ACLU believes?
I brought up the ACLU because of the NDAA. I thought you had a problem with all of my conspiracy kook information, not just 9-11.
I've seen plenty of these crap videos and this is one of the worst. A bunch of crazy people saying that high rise buildings can't collapse from fire.
So you kooks think it's more likely that government agent secretly placed explosives in the buildings and then waited for two planes to hit the nearby buildings before detonating it?
Why do you think they waited hours to set off those explosives in building 7?
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So you kooks think it's more likely that government agent secretly placed explosives in the buildings and then waited for two planes to hit the nearby buildings before detonating it?
Um no. Us kooks just don't buy the official BS story, or either of the ridiculous investigations. Nobody has a clue for sure what happened that day. The kooks just want people to realize the story the government has been shoveling is full of crap, and a new investigation needs to be done. Although since most of the physical evidence has been destroyed or disappeared, I don't think a new investigation will do a whole lot. So I guess my part of the kookery is just to try to help people realize that for whatever reason: The government is lying about what happened on 911. Just like they lied to start occupying the Middle East. I don't believe anything they say any more.
Some of the kooks who don't believe the official story and want a new investigation: (Just a short list of a growing list) Lt. Col. Robert Bowman, PhD. Former Director of Advanced Space Programs Development. Former Head, Department of Aeronautical Engineering and Assistant Dean U.S. Air Force Institute of Technology U.S Air Force
Lt. Col. David Gapp, Pilot and Former President of Aircraft Accident Investigation Board. U.S. Air Force.
Col. Michael Harley, Chief of Standardization, Strategic Air Command Wing and Aircraft Accident Investigator. U.S. Air Force.
Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Former Political Military Affairs Officer, Office of the Secretary of Defense, Former Member of staff of the Director of the NSA, U.S. Air Force.
Col. George Nelson, Aircraft Accident Investigator and airplane parts authority U.S. Air Force
Lt. Col. Jeff Latas, Combat Fighter Pilot and Former President of Aircraft Accident Investigation Board, U.S. Air Force.
Col. Ann Wright, Officer and Former U.S. Diplomat, U.S. Army.
Ray McGovern, CIA worked for 7 different Presidents.
Max Cleland, Former U.S. Senator of Georgia, Former Secretary of State of Georgia, Administrator of the U.S. V.A. Former Captain U.S. Army. Silver and Bronze Stars for bravery in Viet Nam. Former member of the 911 Commission
General Wesley Clark, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. European Command, which included all American military activities in the 89 countries and territories of Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. Additionally, Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR), which granted him overall command of NATO military forces in Europe 1997 - 2001. Awarded Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart for his service in Viet Nam and numerous subsequent medals and citations. Graduated valedictorian of his class at West Point.
Edward Peck– Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs, U.S. State Department. He later served as Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan. Mr. Peck, a 32-year veteran of the U.S. Foreign Service, also served as U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission in Iraq 1977 - 1980.
Maj. John M. Newman, PhD, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Executive Assistant to the Director of the National Security Agency.
William Christison, a 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis
Melvin Goodman, PhD, Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs and Senior Analyst from 1966 - 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College 1986 - 2004.
Robert Baer A 21-year CIA veteran and specialist in the Middle East, Baer was awarded the Career Intelligence Medal upon his retirement in 1997.
David MacMichael, PhD– Former Senior Estimates Officer at the CIA with special responsibility for western hemisphere affairs at the CIA's National Intelligence Council. Prior to joining the CIA, he served as a U.S. Marine Corps officer for ten years and for four years as a counter-insurgency advisor to the government.
Edward J. Costello, Jr. – Former Special Agent, Counterespionage, FBI. Former Judge pro tem., Los Angeles, CA.
John M. Cole – Former Intelligence Operations Specialist, in the FBI’s Counterintelligence Division. In charge of FBI’s foreign intelligence investigations covering India, Pakistan and Afghanistan. 18-year FBI career. Mr. Cole currently works as a senior counterintelligence analyst.
Rosemary N. Dew – Former Supervisory Special Agent, Counterterrorism and Counterintelligence, FBI. Former member of The President's National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee (NSTAC) and the Electronic Commerce/Cyber Crime Working Group. 13-year FBI career.
Coleen Rowley– Former Special Agent and Minneapolis Division Counsel, FBI. 24-year FBI career. Agent Rowley was selected one of Time Magazine's three 2002 Persons of the Year.
Lynne Larkin was a CIA Operations Officer who served in several CIA foreign stations before being assigned to the CIA's Counter-Intelligence Center. There, she co-chaired a multi-agency task force, which, among other functions, provided direction to other federal agencies for coordinating intelligence efforts among the many intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.
Bogdan Dzakovic – Witness before the 9/11 Commission. 14-year Counter-terrorism expert in the Security Division of the Federal Aviation Administration. Team Leader of the FAA's Red (Terrorism) Team, which conducted undercover tests on airport security through simulated terrorist attacks. Former Team Leader in the Federal Air Marshal program. Former Coast Guard officer.
Daniel Ellsberg, PhD – Former Special Assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense. Former State Department envoy to Viet Nam. While working for the government, Ellsberg attained the ultimate civil service grade of GS-18, equivalent to a Major General. Former U.S. Marine Corps officer. Former military analyst for the Rand Corporation. Most well known for leaking the Pentagon Papers to the New York Times in 1971.
Rep. Peter S. Espiefs, JD – Former Member, House of Representatives, State Legislature of New Hampshire 2000 - 2008. Former Member of the Judiciary Committee, the Ways and Means Committee, the Right to Know Oversight Commission, and the Medical Malpractice and Insurance Oversight Committee. Retired Attorney. Retired Probate Court Judge (20 years). Former Attorney, Office of General Counsel, U.S. Department of Agriculture. Former Instructor, Business Law and Political Science, Franklin Pierce College. Former Instructor, Business Law, Keene State College. Former Infantry Officer, U.S. Army.
Paul Craig Roberts, President Reagan appointed Dr. Roberts Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and he was confirmed in office by the U.S. Senate. From 1975 to 1978, Dr. Roberts served on the congressional staff where he drafted the Kemp-Roth bill and played a leading role in developing bipartisan support for a supply-side economic policy. After leaving the Treasury, he served as a consultant to the U.S. Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Commerce.
Ferdinando Imposimato, Honorary President of the Supreme Court of Italy. Former Senior Investigative Judge, Italy. Presided over several terrorism-related cases, including the kidnapping and ultimate assassination of President Aldo Moro, the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II, other political assassinations and kidnapping cases and several cases against the Mafia. Former Senator who served on the Anti-Mafia Commission in three administrations. Former legal consultant to the United Nations regarding institution of laws to control drug trafficking.
Simeon A. Sahaydachny, Attorney in New York State. Formerly Senior Legal Officer on staff of United Nations Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL, Vienna, Austria, 1987 to 1996). During this period, served as secretary of various inter-governmental committees of UN General Assembly and authored working drafts of model laws, international conventions and legal guides relating to international commercial transactions adopted by Commission and recommended by UN General Assembly for use. Senior Fellow, International Law Institute (Washington).
J. Michael Springmann, was a diplomat in the State Department's Foreign Service, with postings to Germany, India, Saudi Arabia, and the Bureau of Intelligence and Research in Washington, D.C. He was the head of the U.S. consular official in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia . The published author of several articles on national security themes, Mr. Springmann is now an attorney in private practice in the Washington, D.C.area.
Andreas Von Bülow, the former Assistant German Defense Minister (the number two German defense position), former Minister of Research and Technology, and a former member of the German Parliament. He is a practicing attorney in Germany.
All of these people have made statements publicly stating they do not believe the governments version of 911 or either of the investigations. Most of these people have signed petitions asking for a new investigation.
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Nobody has a clue for sure what happened that day. The kooks just want people to realize the story the government has been shoveling is full of crap, and a new investigation needs to be done.
If nobody knows what happened then how can you claim the government lied?
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Nobody has a clue for sure what happened that day. The kooks just want people to realize the story the government has been shoveling is full of crap, and a new investigation needs to be done.
If nobody knows what happened then how can you claim the government lied?
9-11 Commissioners think they were lied to: Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission, hoping to hide the bungled response to the hijackings, these sources said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...00.html Max Cleland: "One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up." http://www.democracynow.org/2004/3/23/the_white_house_has_played_cover
Meanwhile, as one of 10 commissioners serving on the independent panel created by Congress to investigate the 9/11 attacks, Cleland bemoans the administration’s “Nixonian” love of secrecy and its attempt to “slow walk” the commission into irrelevancy. http://www.salon.com/2003/11/22/cleland_2/
Tim Roemer of 911 Commission: The panel even considered taking the matter to the Justice Department for a possible criminal probe, commission member Tim Roemer said. http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/02/9-11panel.pentagon/index.html -------- NIST is part of The U.S. Department of Commerce. All the people on the 911 commission are also part of the government. Why wasn't an independent investigation done? Why so much secrecy? Why won't NIST show anyone their data for how they came up with their explanations? Why not release the information they used for their computer model explanations and let it be peer reviewed?
In my opinion, I think the biggest reason for not believing either of the investigations is that hundreds of people, police, firemen, reporters, government workers and other people who were there that day talk about explosions in all three buildings. Explosions were heard on live TV reports. But NIST said it didn't test for explosives because there was no evidence that explosives were used. - That's a crap investigation. The 911 commission also didn't acknowledge any of the witness testimony or proof.
Liberal do you honestly not see anything wrong with any of this?
How about instead of ME having to keep telling YOU why I and so many others don't believe the story, YOU tell ME why you do believe it.
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I'm sure everyone in the forum saw live footage of what happened that day. I'm sure most here saw live footage from outside of the Pentagon. Will people please try to remember back to what you saw while it was being reported. If you can remember what you saw, would you please tell it here?
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Large amounts of concrete and steel suddenly breaking will create the sound of an explosion..
Ok, thanks for clearing that up for me Beakman.
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New conspiracy for you Rosalind..
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^I guess you pick your poison.
Why would a forum with so many open racists care about what happened in New Orleans? Probably don't even wonder why or even care that Blackwater mercenaries went in. People should care about mercenaries going in and operating in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina.
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Time spent investigating steroid abuse in sports- 9 years. BALCO & Barry Bonds scandal Time spent investigating Clinton-4 years and cost $40-80 million. ($4-5 million of that spent on investigating a BJ) http://articles.cnn.com/1999-04...OLITICS http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-10...el-dash Amount of time the 9-11 Commission spent investigating - less than 2 years. Allotted budget- $15 million
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